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Title: Autopilot
Post by: Straiga on February 04, 2005, 01:59:38 AM
I dont understand the autopilot system in AHII, if you set IAS in a real airplane, the plane will stay in a level attitude, if the IAS is below the airspeed thats set, then it will accellerate to that IAS, not pitch way over nose down to seek that airspeed then pitch way back up, then down, then up, then down, until it gets to the set airspeed. Anybody sick yet? If your climbing and going to fast for the set speed then it should pitch up slowly to match the IAS in one pitch change, but not a constant up and down pitch motion.

Is this because no one knows how a autopilot works? If you think this is how they work then tell us how you came to this conclusion.

Some planes with IAS hold will pitch to match the airspeed thats set (SLOWLY) that is. Some planes have VS hold and can slowly dial in the IAS by VS up or down to set the IAS. Someplanes have VS speed climb to maitain a rate of climb.

Now this might not be how WWII autopliots work or have these same features but they dont pitch in any fashion the way its is in AHII. Have you flown on the airlines lately, and find how smooth the climbs and desents are. Dont you think that would be the same for WWII aircraft. Can you imagine a B-17 fully loaded, pitching the nose way down to gain airspeed, then pitch up, then down, then up.

Now would you like your autopilot designed by HTC put in an airliner or B-17your flying in RL? Not me.


Straiga
Title: Autopilot
Post by: straffo on February 04, 2005, 02:51:45 AM
It's more an auto trim than an auto pilot.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: hitech on February 04, 2005, 08:32:59 AM
Speeds purpose is for climbs and descends not level flight. And it is not ment to even resemble real auto pilots.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: JB73 on February 04, 2005, 09:16:49 AM
straiga... my guess is it can'twork in game like you mention about "speeding up" without putting nose down...

because everyone in AH pretty much runs full max power during climbout.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Higgins on February 04, 2005, 10:59:37 AM
With all due respect Straiga this is a game.  I've seen a number of your critical posts.  I'm all for realism but I don't think that every function of this game can made fun if full realism was the sole target.

HT does a pretty darn good job of trying to balance gameplay with realism to make as many of his customers as happy as he can.  I have to force myself to remember this when I don't prefer certain aspects of the game.  You can lose sight that this is a business and way of living for the crew at HTC.    

Regards,

HIggins
 :cool:
Title: Autopilot
Post by: krazyhorse on February 04, 2005, 12:21:32 PM
what's it matter  , it gives us a break so we can go potty or grab a beer, so i like it:D
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Straiga on February 05, 2005, 01:12:36 AM
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With all due respect Straiga this is a game. I've seen a number of your critical posts. I'm all for realism but I don't think that every function of this game can made fun if full realism was the sole target.


With all due respect I know this is a game, I enjoy playing this game. But like myself and others we would like to have a more realistic flight model I think this would attract more people along with being a game. If some people have true to real skins than why cant we have a true to real flight models. We all know its a game, well maybe some people thinks its a game. But for some the more real the better.

Its was no big deal about the auto whatyoumacallit I was just wondering.

All along I have tryed to open some eyes that certain modeling is incorrect. I have a lot of real time flight experience flying many many different airplanes and helicopters along with being trained in FAA approved flight sims. These flight sims are able to train pilots like myself to fly and to experience unusual situations to be a real as possible, so when the real thing happens, myself and many other airline pilots can get you savely to your destination.

As you may have read the discussion about multi-engine airplanes using aileron on takeoff like a single engine airplane. This just doesnt happen, im sorry but how do you convince someone with no multi-engine flight experience that this does not effect an airplane the way they thinks it does. There only way of thinking is coming from a book. So I gathered a lot of multi-engine information to read to try to prove this point. Which I think clearly does but will this change any minds who knows.

I will more than be happy to give anybody a ride and give them stick time in a high performance multi-engine, I will also endorse your log book so you can count the time. Come on out to my part time job and I will show you that engine torque is the least force affecting a multi-engine and we just dont use aileron trim or aileron except to turn the airplane. Also at altitude I will shut down an engine on you to show how much rudder is required to counter the enormous yaw force affecting the airplane. You just have to be there to experience this. Reading from a book does not truely show how hard it is to handle a high performance single engine failure. This kills more multi-engine pilots than anything.

I like this game so much that I will continue to open some peoples eyes its only a matter of time. We the pilots would like a more realistic flight model so we can have some real fun. Pardon the pun.

Straiga
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 05, 2005, 01:40:34 AM
If you're offering time...I'm taking you up on that :)

I'm a skeptic :D
Title: Autopilot
Post by: john9001 on February 05, 2005, 10:54:12 AM
i think this happens when your plane is not in trim, i only use manual trim , in a climb i adj speed, trim, ect to where i want it THEN turn on the autopilot, i'm usualy pretty close and have very little "hunting"

Also , remember in WW2 they did not have autopilots we do now in RL.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Sikboy on February 05, 2005, 11:16:35 AM
The one thing I've gotten out of all of Straiga's threads, is that the flight model is a lot more detailed than I ever gave it credit for. I'm constantly amazed with the knowledge and ability from such a small team.

-Sik
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Straiga on February 05, 2005, 04:35:47 PM
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The one thing I've gotten out of all of Straiga's threads, is that the flight model is a lot more detailed than I ever gave it credit for. I'm constantly amazed with the knowledge and ability from such a small team.


You must be talking about Air Warriors or something.

If you think AHII is really detailed I have some swamp land to sell you its really nice and really cheap too. You will be able to grow all the stuff your smoking now.

Im constantly amazed of the lack of aeronautical knowledge.

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If you're offering time...I'm taking you up on that


Golfer any time! Anybody else?

Straiga
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Sikboy on February 05, 2005, 05:21:57 PM
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Originally posted by Straiga
You must be talking about Air Warriors or something.

If you think AHII is really detailed I have some swamp land to sell you its really nice and really cheap too. You will be able to grow all the stuff your smoking now.

 


How very pleasant

-Sik
Title: Autopilot
Post by: detch01 on February 05, 2005, 06:28:53 PM
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Originally posted by Straiga
We the pilots...
Straiga


I too am a pilot and I find people who presume to speak for me or include me by association in their mindless jabs extremely annoying.


asw
Title: Autopilot
Post by: hitech on February 05, 2005, 06:46:31 PM
Straiga: Now you are just beeing a plane jerk.

Lets see: Straiga tells us our pito tube is incorect. Meen while he was backwards on the CV. Yep Im impressed with your knowledge straga, didn't even know that a pito tube dosn't work backwards. Or not being able to see the detail involved in making a pito tube work correctly and not read backwards.

Or claiming that MP dosn't change with rpm once again claiming we are wrong. When in fact if you go look at the manuals you will find we are spot on with most of the air craft.

Or the great claiming torque some how vanishes on twin engine planes. And they are effected by it differently then a single engine. When in fact there is no change in how torque is handled by a twin. The other forces Pfactor,slip stream, and accelerated slip steam are quite different on a twin.

Oh btw straiga did you know that the Pfactor with cirtical engines is in our model. Along with accelrated slip stream. The is one thing that I have  never been happy with and that is our modling of the BALL. Right now it functions like a slip string. So take a twin up, cut one engine center the ball, and you will see the plane flying sideways just like the real one would with a slip string centered on it's nose.

You allways seem stuck on the torque issue. Well quite simply its just probably our rigging of the planes that makes it feel different to you. You try find the incidence and washout setup on all the planes we model.

Consider this my last responce to you stragia, because discussing planes with you , is not very informative. And some of your statements are quite often incorect. Plus most of your post are in no way helpfull but always just snippy as in your last post.

And as far as you comment about HTC creating real auto pilots, I was a Electrical control engineer long before I ever started creating sims, have created a lot of real time control systems that function just like an auto pilots does, have done lots of robotics, auto mated machines, hi speed material handling systems,and all the safty that goes along with those designs. But AH is not one of those machines nore is it disgned to those standard. While you were playing with your stick, I was engineering the type of stuff you use every day.

Oh btw I'm also a pilot, and quite frankly the attitude you portray on this bbs is not what I belive a pilot attitude should be. Because a pilot who wants people to belives they are infalible is not someone I realy care to fly with.

Is AH perfect, of course not, but just because it isn't dosn't meen that it is not one of the most detailed made for it's purpose.

HiTech
Title: Autopilot
Post by: cav58d on February 05, 2005, 07:02:43 PM
Pitch for Airspeed, Throttle for Altitude
Title: Autopilot
Post by: bunch on February 05, 2005, 07:47:29 PM
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Originally posted by hitech
Straiga: Now you are just beeing a plane jerk.

Lets see: Straiga tells us our pito tube is incorect. Meen while he was backwards on the CV. Yep Im impressed with your knowledge straga, didn't even know that a pito tube dosn't work backwards. Or not being able to see the detail involved in making a pito tube work correctly and not read backwards.

Or claiming that MP dosn't change with rpm once again claiming we are wrong. When in fact if you go look at the manuals you will find we are spot on with most of the air craft.

Or the great claiming torque some how vanishes on twin engine planes. And they are effected by it differently then a single engine. When in fact there is no change in how torque is handled by a twin. The other forces Pfactor,slip stream, and accelerated slip steam are quite different on a twin.

Oh btw straiga did you know that the Pfactor with cirtical engines is in our model. Along with accelrated slip stream. The is one thing that I have  never been happy with and that is our modling of the BALL. Right now it functions like a slip string. So take a twin up, cut one engine center the ball, and you will see the plane flying sideways just like the real one would with a slip string centered on it's nose.

You allways seem stuck on the torque issue. Well quite simply its just probably our rigging of the planes that makes it feel different to you. You try find the incidence and washout setup on all the planes we model.

Consider this my last responce to you stragia, because discussing planes with you , is not very informative. And some of your statements are quite often incorect. Plus most of your post are in no way helpfull but always just snippy as in your last post.

And as far as you comment about HTC creating real auto pilots, I was a Electrical control engineer long before I ever started creating sims, have created a lot of real time control systems that function just like an auto pilots does, have done lots of robotics, auto mated machines, hi speed material handling systems,and all the safty that goes along with those designs. But AH is not one of those machines nore is it disgned to those standard. While you were playing with your stick, I was engineering the type of stuff you use every day.

Oh btw I'm also a pilot, and quite frankly the attitude you portray on this bbs is not what I belive a pilot attitude should be. Because a pilot who wants people to belives they are infalible is not someone I realy care to fly with.

Is AH perfect, of course not, but just because it isn't dosn't meen that it is not one of the most detailed made for it's purpose.

HiTech


"plane jerk"  lol

Pitot may[i/] work backwards, but not accurately, if the reverse slipstream air from the H-stab hits the Pitot drain hole just right
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Zaphod on February 05, 2005, 11:35:00 PM
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Originally posted by hitech
Straiga: Now you are just beeing a plane jerk.

Lets see: Straiga tells us our pito tube is incorect. Meen while he was backwards on the CV. Yep Im impressed with your knowledge straga, didn't even know that a pito tube dosn't work backwards. Or not being able to see the detail involved in making a pito tube work correctly and not read backwards.

Or claiming that MP dosn't change with rpm once again claiming we are wrong. When in fact if you go look at the manuals you will find we are spot on with most of the air craft.

Or the great claiming torque some how vanishes on twin engine planes. And they are effected by it differently then a single engine. When in fact there is no change in how torque is handled by a twin. The other forces Pfactor,slip stream, and accelerated slip steam are quite different on a twin.

Oh btw straiga did you know that the Pfactor with cirtical engines is in our model. Along with accelrated slip stream. The is one thing that I have  never been happy with and that is our modling of the BALL. Right now it functions like a slip string. So take a twin up, cut one engine center the ball, and you will see the plane flying sideways just like the real one would with a slip string centered on it's nose.

You allways seem stuck on the torque issue. Well quite simply its just probably our rigging of the planes that makes it feel different to you. You try find the incidence and washout setup on all the planes we model.

Consider this my last responce to you stragia, because discussing planes with you , is not very informative. And some of your statements are quite often incorect. Plus most of your post are in no way helpfull but always just snippy as in your last post.

And as far as you comment about HTC creating real auto pilots, I was a Electrical control engineer long before I ever started creating sims, have created a lot of real time control systems that function just like an auto pilots does, have done lots of robotics, auto mated machines, hi speed material handling systems,and all the safty that goes along with those designs. But AH is not one of those machines nore is it disgned to those standard. While you were playing with your stick, I was engineering the type of stuff you use every day.

Oh btw I'm also a pilot, and quite frankly the attitude you portray on this bbs is not what I belive a pilot attitude should be. Because a pilot who wants people to belives they are infalible is not someone I realy care to fly with.

Is AH perfect, of course not, but just because it isn't dosn't meen that it is not one of the most detailed made for it's purpose.

HiTech


  :lol
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Straiga on February 06, 2005, 06:22:46 AM
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pito


Pitot tube (Pi-tot)

Read the end at least!

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Or claiming that MP dosn't change with rpm once again claiming we are wrong. When in fact if you go look at the manuals you will find we are spot on with most of the air craft.


When you get some experience in high performance singles with superchargers at low altitude let me know so I can say I told you so.

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Or the great claiming torque some how vanishes on twin engine planes. And they are effected by it differently then a single engine. When in fact there is no change in how torque is handled by a twin. The other forces Pfactor,slip stream, and accelerated slip steam are quite different on a twin.


I have given all the paper work you will ever need to fly a twin and what it will do in the air. But the engine torque roll effect that you think will effect a twin, as same as a single engine it doesnt happen. Just dont breeze through the papers read it because you havent learned yet that torque is not mentioned once as force effecting a multi-engine and never will except in a single engine failure, but just a little not much. If you read correctly, on any of my post I said there is torque from the engines from a multi-engine but this torque does not effect the airframe like it effects single engine airplane. Dont get mad first before you read through things it will blind you to the true. I dare you to come fly with me in a high performance twin, so again I can show you your wrong. I will even endorce your log book so one day you to can get to fly a real airplane (A MULTI). I will have to help you fly it because your not going to be able to handle it with your experience no one does the first time.


 
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Oh btw straiga did you know that the Pfactor with cirtical engines is in our model. Along with accelrated slip stream. The is one thing that I have never been happy with and that is our modling of the BALL. Right now it functions like a slip string. So take a twin up, cut one engine center the ball, and you will see the plane flying sideways just like the real one would with a slip string centered on it's nose.


Well why dont you lets us know things like that about the ball modeling thats part of the problem we dont know what you feal is wrong and that you feal it needs work.

I flew one of your twins the other day, I killed an engine. I didnt need rudder, there was no yaw force hardly, no decrease in airspeed, no drag from the inop engine even though the prop was feathered, no change in VMC at any altitude or airspeed. Keep on working on it. Do you feal that AHII multi- modeling is wrong?

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Consider this my last responce to you stragia, because discussing planes with you , is not very informative. And some of your statements are quite often incorect. Plus most of your post are in no way helpfull but always just snippy as in your last post.


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And as far as you comment about HTC creating real auto pilots, I was a Electrical control engineer long before I ever started creating sims, have created a lot of real time control systems that function just like an auto pilots does, have done lots of robotics, auto mated machines, hi speed material handling systems,and all the safty that goes along with those designs. But AH is not one of those machines nore is it disgned to those standard. While you were playing with your stick, I was engineering the type of stuff you use every day.




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Oh btw I'm also a pilot, and quite frankly the attitude you portray on this bbs is not what I belive a pilot attitude should be. Because a pilot who wants people to belives they are infalible is not someone I realy care to fly with.




Im not right all the time and who said I was.


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Is AH perfect, of course not, but just because it isn't dosn't meen that it is not one of the most detailed made for it's purpose.


I have always said that I totaly enjoyed this game, and I understand what it takes to put something together like this. You have done outstanding and my hats of to you.

The problem when writting a post people infure something totally different from what your trying to say, its different face to face. Some take the inflection wrong, like Im mad or something. But you have to admit some people are clue less and they have no basis to form an opion. Im not right all the time but Im not one of these.

While I was playing with my stick as you so call it. I was also the owner of sevens unlimited. I designed and built a bill validator and cash box system for the IGT players edge plus slot machine. Which started out with kits to retrofit an existing slot machine. I designed and built the proto type and then manufactured this product with over 70 employees. I then sold the rights for royalties. It read bills from 1s to 100 dollar bill and being able to read counter fiets to an accuracy of 94%. I also had a token ring network system designed for the casinos and gaming boats to monitor slot machine payouts and soft and hard count currency at the press of a button. It was to accurate of a money count system this was when casinos wanted to skim the profits so they didnt want it at the time. In atlantic city (Trumps) casino, all the change personnel were no longer needed after installing my change machines on the casinos floor, the first ever change machine in a casino ever. I also designed the first cashless slot machine for gaming boats so they cant be high jacked at sea, it prints coupons for currency and down loads the network at the dock so people will get there money back it was a fiber optic.
My company at one time owned Microsoft software its was there software along with our design but we owned it because they didnt have a gaming liscence.
So when you go play the slots practically anywhere, go ahead a slip a counter fiet in the machine and see how good it works.

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Oh btw I'm also a pilot


So is my Dad, my Mom, my Brother, my two Grandfathers.

I guess being a plane jerk is better than a being computer jerk or any other jerk.

If this is the last time you want to respond thats fine. But you will read this post, and I ask you this one question. Why in a twin engine airplane when both props rotate to the right and when only the left engine is running in flight and if torque by the engine and prop is so appairent in your view then why doesnt the airplane roll to the left but only yaw to the right?

Straiga
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Widewing on February 06, 2005, 10:29:21 AM
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Originally posted by Straiga
Pitot tube (Pi-tot)


Pronunciation: 'pE-"tO-, or pee-tow. Named after French physicist
Henri Pitot.

So, what's the name of your company and what is the Patent number assigned? I'd like to check it out.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on February 06, 2005, 12:31:36 PM
He said he owned Sevens Unlimited.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 07, 2005, 09:17:36 AM
If he's that good with computers and stuff and, obviously, the greatest aviator since Doolittle... I can't wait for him to bring out his WW2 air combat game.





:rolleyes:
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 07, 2005, 05:00:50 PM
Straiga, Gotta say man, you come off as a major league conceited ********.


Ohh, one other question, who'd you do your LOA with for the 'stang?
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Widewing on February 07, 2005, 10:08:50 PM
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Originally posted by Straiga

My company at one time owned Microsoft software its was there software along with our design but we owned it because they didnt have a gaming liscence.
So when you go play the slots practically anywhere, go ahead a slip a counter fiet in the machine and see how good it works.
 


Are you saying that Seven's Unlimited owned Microsoft? Geez, someone should tell Bill Gates that his majority of stock must be counterfeit!

This guy's beginning to smell like last year's tuna.......


My regards,

Widewing
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 07, 2005, 10:32:31 PM
Pretty sure it says "owned microsoft software" not the company.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Widewing on February 07, 2005, 10:59:10 PM
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Originally posted by Golfer
Pretty sure it says "owned microsoft software" not the company.


Well that makes no sense, virtually everyone with a PC owns MS software (or at least a license). Does he mean that his company owned the code?

Regardless, I did a google search for Sevens Unlimited and turned up zippo. Tomorrow, I'll do a patent search too, because I am now curious.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 08, 2005, 12:12:59 AM
Widewing,

Search in Nevada, they are listed in the top 50 patent holders for the state, #40 I think with two patents for years 95-98.

No numbers listed though.

http://www.isc.hbs.edu/nevada_02-26-02.pdf

Scroll down to page 9.  

Got too tired of screwing around with messing with the patent office as they are so screwed up with the listings to find out who actually did it.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Sikboy on February 08, 2005, 09:48:50 AM
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Originally posted by Bodhi


Got too tired of screwing around with messing with the patent office as they are so screwed up with the listings to find out who actually did it.


http://makeashorterlink.com/?A16C23D6A

That was just the first one that came up.

I used to run patent searches for a living. Of course, that should mean that my opinion is the only one that matters on the subject :)

-Sik
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 08, 2005, 02:32:09 PM
Thanks Sikboy

Well, I figured out something else interesting regarding the above mentioned person.

If, according to his statements, he was an inventor for his company Sevens Unlimited, Inc., the names listed as the inventors with the US Patent Office, would be searchable in the FAA database of airmen.

Well, the first name listed has 4 listings, and of those, 3 are Private Pilots only, NOT multi engine cetified, and there are NO LOA's for a mustang.  The last is listed as a repairman only.

So, something is a bit fishy here, maybe our new Doolittle isn't really a pilot after all.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Straiga on February 10, 2005, 06:24:38 AM
If your looking to find out if Im a pilot go for it, knock yourself out. Or you can wait and hear from golfer hes coming out to vegas to get his CFI. Im picking him up from the airport. He can tell you later. I would give you my certificate numbers but in light of 911 I dont think I should you could be a rag head.


I dont hold the patents to the bill validator system do you know how much time it takes to get a patent pending or a patent. I said I sold the rights for royalties, doesnt anybody read correctly I guess not. Golfer was correct about the microsoft software and  pointing out someone else who cant read.

Stanley Debrowski and Mark Sincox bought me out, they where my partners I was 33 at that time. Stanleys an old friend from germany, born in poland, and Mark and I grew up together in Vegas. Sevens Unlimited is no longer in business.

I have over 500 hours in the P-51D. I dont remember who gave me my LOA but he was some fed out of california. I dont remember half the feds who gave me a liscence.

My dads and his partner sold the airplane in Apr 2004. At this time I dont have the correct serial # but I will get them for you. The airplane was brought over from europe in around 96 or 97.

I have to laugh at you clowns, yes clowns. Just dig your little hearts away proving your points, it shows how little people are.
I could care less if you believe me or not. So get a life. Your the ones with a problem if you think Im in the same class as doolittle.
Its just sad really sad.

Straiga
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Sikboy on February 10, 2005, 09:06:14 AM
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Originally posted by Straiga
 Just dig your little hearts away proving your points, it shows how little people are.


I can understand how pasting a name into a search engine can be intimidating and appear difficult. But once you get a little internet experience, you might understand how little effort it takes.

-Sik
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 10, 2005, 10:43:05 AM
Straiga,

I have no doubt that you fly, hell you are prolly even a FE on something, but what I do doubt is that your father is a general in or retired from the USAF and that HE owns / owned a mustang.

I also doubt you have "500 hours in a 51"

Thats a lot of time, a damn lot of time in a mustang, and a damn lot of time in a community that is that small.  

Tell you what, if I am wrong, I'll post an apology, and I will also stop posting for 60 days as a result.  

I am willing to bet that you do not have an LOA or that amount of time in a 51.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Despair on February 10, 2005, 11:01:51 AM
I really doubt Staiga is THAT old, most grown-ups dont go that low to prove their dick is bigger on a BBS.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 10, 2005, 11:10:07 AM
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Originally posted by Straiga
I have over 500 hours in the P-51D. I dont remember who gave me my LOA but he was some fed out of california. I dont remember half the feds who gave me a liscence.

My dads and his partner sold the airplane in Apr 2004. At this time I dont have the correct serial # but I will get them for you. The airplane was brought over from europe in around 96 or 97.


I could care less if you believe me or not.
Straiga


Straiga,

I think you have to realize that when someone comes in making statements about the game's modeling based on their own Real Life experiences there's going to be a question of bona fides.

You may not have been around for the "Voss Conspiracy" that was a total sham on the online Flight Sim community, but that experience made everyone just a bit cautious.

You've come in knocking HT's modeling and you've based it on your RL experience.

I don't think it's a bit odd that some would then question your experience.

As Bodhi pointed out, 500 hours is a ton of time in a Mustang and the Mustang community is relatively small. 500 hours in an airplane and you can't remember the N- number? When every radio call begins with "North American XXXXX"?

So, shed a little light. What was the noseart if you can't remember the  N ( or serial number) which is in your logbook anyway, right??

I've been a longtime member of the Heart of America CAF squadron, owned and operated a PT-19

(http://www.kcghostsquadron.org/gallery/albums/pt-19/Twin_PTs.jpg)

and a BT-13

(http://www.kcghostsquadron.org/gallery/albums/bt-13/BT13_501.thumb.jpg)



(My brother and I owned all three of the aircraft in those pics and all have been sold. Lost my medical, he's at bankrupt US Air.)

I've lost count of the number of airshows I attended but at one time or another I've seen most of the flying Mustangs in the US.

So which one did you get all your time in?

If you're going to post critically, I think you have to expect that your bona fides will be examined in that light.

Same with "my father, the General". I'm aware of two ex-USAF generals that have owned/flown Mustangs. One is Yeager, whom I've only met. The other is Reg Urschler, my former Wing Commander and a close friend. Reg has no children. Yeager has children, I think.

Also, you're claiming to be working for a major airline. I'm retired DAL, last as a B-767 Captain, class of August 1980. Which airline are you working for?

As I said, this isn't being small IMO. If a relatively new guy pops up and starts criticizing the game, folks are going to want some background.

I know Dale and I've flown with him in his RV. He's a pretty fine pilot, IMO, and he's one hell of a programmer. Is everything perfect in the game? Nope. But he's always working towards that and he has the right tools for the job.

In short, I know Dale's credentials. What are yours?

Just a friendly request for some information. Thanks in advance.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 10, 2005, 12:47:53 PM
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As Bodhi pointed out, 500 hours is a ton of time in a Mustang and the Mustang community is relatively small. 500 hours in an airplane and you can't remember the N- number? When every radio call begins with "North American XXXXX"?


In all fairness I'm trying to be objective about the whole thing.  I did recall the said Serial Number and not tail number.

Personally, I black out all tail numbers in photos of airplanes that I fly and post on my own.  I'm not sure if I owned a mustang I'd wanna put my personal information up for all to see either.



The best I can think of is posting your info from the Airmen Info Website (http://registry.faa.gov/amquery.asp) with certain things blacked out.  I have not included my name or address information.  Not to say some couldn't find it I'm just not posting it here.  

Example, My info:

Street #### XXX XXX XXX
 
City XXXXXXX State OHIO  
County FRANKLIN  Zip Code XXXXX  
Country UNITED STATES  




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Medical


Medical Class : Second Medical Date: 05/2004




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Certificates

1 of   1






DOI : 06/11/2004
Certificate: COMMERCIAL PILOT  

Rating(s):  
 
COMMERCIAL PILOT
          AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND  
          AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND  
          INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE  













Fair Enough?
Title: Autopilot
Post by: jigsaw on February 10, 2005, 01:34:12 PM
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Originally posted by Golfer

The best I can think of is posting your info from the Airmen Info Website (http://registry.faa.gov/amquery.asp) with certain things blacked out.


You can partially opt out of the database. Fer example, if you try to look me up by name and state, it wont work because my address is withheld.  Unless you know my b-day,  I don't think you can find me. When I got my PPL I quickly requested a number change. Back then your ticket number was your SSN. When they announced the database, I opted as far out as I could get.  

But, just for grins here's what mine says.

DOI :      05/26/2003
Certificate:    COMMERCIAL PILOT
Rating(s):    
 
COMMERCIAL PILOT
          AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
          AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND
          INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE        

DOI :      05/29/2004
Certificate:    FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR
Rating(s):    
 
FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR
          AIRPLANE SINGLE AND MULTIENGINE
          INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE
         
DOI :      06/05/2003
Certificate:    GROUND INSTRUCTOR
Rating(s):    
 
GROUND INSTRUCTOR
          ADVANCED

Keep me posted about Vegas. If I can swing it, I might pop out to say "Howdy" and meet the two of ya.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 10, 2005, 03:34:40 PM
Sounds good Jig.

I'm going to be keeping a journal on the day's events so I can write about it in a day-by-day format when it's over and then can comment on the program.  I'm fairly optimistic.  I'm knocking out my written tests this week (FOI and FIA yesterday and today, FII tomorrow) I spent 9 minutes in the testing room for my FOI...signed in at 12:11 and out at 12:20.  Raced through the actual test in about 6 minutes :)  scored in the 90's too.

Thanks to this website (http://www.exams4pilots.org/faatest.cgi)

I'd suggest that link to any of your students Jigsaw.  Or anyone here who wants to try their hand at an FAA written test to see how much they really know (if they're a flightsim know-it-all)

The program is going to be a 17 day for me (I had opted for extra days instead of a later start date) due to the examiner's schedule being limited by 2 rides a day.  If offered, I think I'd accept a position as an instructor there as long as I don't really dislike how things are going (feel cheated or looked down upon type of thing.)  Pay sucks, but average 85-110hrs/month minimum multi time (So sayeth a chautauqua pilot I bumped into).  Back to the 17 day thing, I don't know how much free time I'll have.  I hear the first week is real intense ground school from 0500-1700 with flights between midnight and 5am (a restriction on practice approaches at Mccarren) I also need a spin endorsement...go figure.  I've spun half a dozen airplanes and I'm not legal :p

I know I have all day March10th since I'm done the 9th and my flight leaves at 11:45pm.  After scoring well on my writtens thus far, and having a lot (over 10%) of my total time in the clouds, so I don't view the instrument segments as a huge obstacle.

Anyway, I'm trying to add some civility to these threads instead of having this turn into a voss headhunt.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 10, 2005, 04:43:52 PM
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Originally posted by Golfer
In all fairness I'm trying to be objective about the whole thing.  I did recall the said Serial Number and not tail number.

Personally, I black out all tail numbers in photos of airplanes that I fly and post on my own.  I'm not sure if I owned a mustang I'd wanna put my personal information up for all to see either.

Fair Enough?


Ok, I'm confused. Golfer, you quote me on a question I asked Straiga and you "recall the said serial number"?

AFAIK, I didn't ask GOLFER anything at all. I asked Straiga but you're answering for him.

So Golger is actually Straiga?

We got a Mr. Black personality thing going on here as well?
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 10, 2005, 04:47:02 PM
Mine looks like this:

DOI : 12/02/2000
Certificate: AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT  

Rating(s):  
 
AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT
          AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND  
COMMERCIAL PRIVILEGES
          AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND  

Type Ratings


A/B-707  A/B-720  A/B-727  A/B-737  A/B-757  
A/B-767  A/CE-500  


And a Turbojet FE of course.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: GScholz on February 10, 2005, 04:51:48 PM
Who has 500 hours in a warbird and doesn't have pictures of themselves in it, flying it, drooling on it, polishing it etc. etc. etc.

If I had ONE hour in a P-51, let alone 500 I would post so many pictures on this BBS I'd get fined for spamming.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 10, 2005, 04:52:33 PM
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Originally posted by Toad
Ok, I'm confused. Golfer, you quote me on a question I asked Straiga and you "recall the said serial number"?

AFAIK, I didn't ask GOLFER anything at all. I asked Straiga but you're answering for him.

So Golger is actually Straiga?

We got a Mr. Black personality thing going on here as well?


You've got to be kidding.

Straiga Wrote this...
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At this time I dont have the correct serial # but I will get them for you.


Toad wrote this...
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As Bodhi pointed out, 500 hours is a ton of time in a Mustang and the Mustang community is relatively small. 500 hours in an airplane and you can't remember the N- number? When every radio call begins with "North American XXXXX"?




I pointed out that you were talking about different numbers.  That's it.

Take that Mr.Black talk and shove it, toad.:aok  (that's a joke)
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 10, 2005, 05:07:25 PM
Golfer, when you fly around and talk on the radio, how do you start the conversation with control?

I used to say "Fairchild 50303". I flew that plane enough so that I don't even pause when I think about the N-number.

Now, if someone had 500 hours in a particular craft, I think the N-number would tumble as readily from his lips as the name of his wife or child.

Would you disagree with that?

Yeah, I asked for the N-number. It's quite easy to check out who owns/owned what N-number.

Also, as Bodhi mentioned, the Mustang community is small. I could call anyone of 3-4 people I know and say "Hey.. N-XXXXXX  did some retired general own that and let his son fly it?"  And they would KNOW. They might not know the exact name but they'd know the situation.

Reasonable question in my opinion.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 10, 2005, 05:13:54 PM
I keep making sure I'm not putting my foot in my mouth on this...but I just double checked and he hasn't replied since you asked.  I talk to him on vox now and then and I don't really have a reason to doubt him.  He seems knowledgable about the intracies of some of the systems I asked about and settings.

I can't imagine someone sane enough to hold a 1st class medical to make this stuff up.  But, I've only sat in one P-51 and made airplane noises in it while moving the stick.  It's one of the Hurry Home Honey's. (last I heard there are two) and this one is based in Indiana.  That's enough info to track it down.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 10, 2005, 05:22:11 PM
Are you saying the P-51 he says HE flew is one of the Hurry Home Honeys?

Or are you saying that's the one you sat in?
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 10, 2005, 05:27:19 PM
The one I went "raaaar" in.

It put on a good show with some low passes...it comes to our airshow each year in Lancaster, OH.

I never prodded Straiga for more information...didn't and still don't think I need to.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 10, 2005, 05:40:03 PM
Your right to do as you like.

After the Voss Conspiracy, though, I think there's more than just one enquiring mind around here that wants to know.

You do make my point however. You sat in HHH one time and you remember the nose art in an instant. The art is more memorable for everyone than the N-number.

So, Straiga would probably be able to recall that as well as the N if he flew it even once.

I sure as heck remember which Mustang I got a ride in..without an instants hesitation. It was The Gunfighter.

Did you know I actually interviewed Voss for an article about his new game? Man, he laid on the USAFA stuff and the F-16 stuff so believeably that I didn't even bother to check him out. I had the resources but he had so totally convinced me that I just didn't bother. That was probably the most embarassing low point of my journalistic career. (That was before the scorpion bite and brain cancer part of the scam though.)
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 10, 2005, 05:51:06 PM
There are plenty of P-51s out there that aren't dolled up, too.

I'm sure there are plenty that are not in the markings class of Big Beautiful Doll, Hurry Home Honey, Gunfighter, Belligerent Bets, Glamorous Glen and the like.

Also, he hasn't responded and I'm doing nothing but practice FII written tests so my life is the computer for the next few hours before bed.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: MANDO on February 10, 2005, 06:28:38 PM
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Originally posted by hitech
have created a lot of real time control systems


Damn, you too? ;)

Offtopic, and just for curiosity, did you work for some known SCADA/automation company?
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 10, 2005, 07:12:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Golfer
There are plenty of P-51s out there that aren't dolled up, too.

I'm sure there are plenty that are not in the markings class of Big Beautiful Doll, Hurry Home Honey, Gunfighter, Belligerent Bets, Glamorous Glen and the like.

Also, he hasn't responded and I'm doing nothing but practice FII written tests so my life is the computer for the next few hours before bed.


Golfer,

I can appreciate your defense of a friend.  It is more than understandable.  I also can understand your desire to see civility, and totally understand that too.  On the lew side I offer a bit of caution.  Straiga is more than likely a pilot.  More than likely he has an ATP and he is more than likely flying someway for a living.  But, someone who makes statements like he has, especially concerning the 51 is causing me to wonder about the validity.

Straiga has claimed a few things.  To be a pilot for a major airline, to have flown the 51 over 500 hous and have an LOA in it, and that his father is a retired General who owns (now it is owned) a 51.

Lets start with your claim that there are "plenty of 51's out there that are not all dolled up."  True, some do not even have nose art, I know of three right now with US registries that are not even painted except the star and bar.  Then there are those that have civil paint schemes too.  I personnally packed up two civil painted / race painted mustangs for shipment overseas to new owners.  I remember all the 51 I have worked on, and those I have ground run.  The point I make here is that if you have 500+ hours in a specific 51, you'd remember the paint job and S/N.

Ya, 500 hours, that brings up a whole set of different things too.  A mustang's typical -7 Merlin is doing good if you get 400 hours out of a top end, more if you nurse it, and less if you want to "play with the boys" (straiga claims to have flown it to it's limits).   A typical overhaul now for a pair of topends and banks
will run you 10k a side.  A full overhaul will occur if you really fly the pee outta it, and you have the common sense to not burn up your crank, is a min nowadays of 65k.  80k if you go for a "full out authentic restoration"

So, Mr. straiga again caims to not know anything about the 51 he flew.  LOL, if I had to cough up, or my Daddy had to cough up 65k to rebuild a mustang engine, you'd be sure as crap I'd know it's S/N or paint scheme.

BTW, that's just the engine... not mentioning replacing coolant lines, radiators, any other wearable components, or the cost of comsumables like tires, fuel, oil, and glycol....

Ohh, one more tidbit of advice.  The 51 does not require an LOA if it is in "limited" category.  Only experimentals do.  So any schmoe with a PPL, complex and taildragger endorsement could fly it.  The key here is that no person in their right mind would let that "schmoe" into their aircraft.

Anyways, I say bullcaca, as I personally called 5 friends in the biz today about Mr. Straiga's claims, and NONE have heard of him, or any other retired generals having a 51 other than Urschler and Yeager.

So... this leaves us with, WHY LIE?

That answer lies (pun intended) with Mr straiga.  Hope he sleeps well at night knowing his self esteem is so low that he has to lie to people on a BBS to make himself feel better.

BTW golfer, gl with the new rating.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 10, 2005, 07:18:59 PM
I'm still just saying that he hasn't had a chance to reply in this thread to give you the answer you're accusing him of not having.

The attitude in here is now more of a lynchmob than some guys asking for information.  Just because Voss had a history doesn't mean we condemn someone else to the same fate.

Just as easily someone could ask you, Bodhi, for your pilot certificate number, A&P or IA info, repair station certificate numbers or whatever you've got going.  Just because you can provide these, would you feel the highest level of comfort about providing them over this medium?

Again, it doesn't stop someone from figuring it out, but at least it doesn't give them a head start if their motivation is identity theft.

Not accusing anyone of consipiring to do that. I have had two attempts on me that I've caught and successfully had prosecuted.  Dumb shreckers came after me instead of my father [same name] I can keep track of every dollar in all of my 2 accounts, not to mention my credit card limit doesn't even go to 4 figures.  Anyways, I do some unofficial 'consulting' for my father who is an executive specializing in internet security for a fortune 500 company.  It's real, it's out there and I know I try to be a little more cautious when my pilot certificate is involved...after all I spent all that money for the government to print it :)
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Widewing on February 10, 2005, 07:42:51 PM
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Originally posted by Straiga

I dont hold the patents to the bill validator system do you know how much time it takes to get a patent pending or a patent. I said I sold the rights for royalties, doesnt anybody read correctly I guess not. Golfer was correct about the microsoft software and  pointing out someone else who cant read.
Straiga


Yes, I know what's involved in obtaining a patent since one of my Engineering responsibilities is to generate the paperwork for the patent lawyers we have on retainer. And yes, I have been granted patents for my designs. If you wish, I'll check the files and post a patent number you can research.

Secondly, my reading skills are very good as are my writing skills. Good enough to have been published in several aviation magazines, including probably the most popular among AH2 players, Flight Journal.

Finally, in all my years of playing Aces High and reading the BBS, I don't think I've ever seen anyone quite as full of themselves as you. I could care less if your name was Buzz Aldrin or Chuck Yeager, there's never any excuse for your type of down-talking, chest pounding vitriol. The only P-51 owner I have had recent experience with is Vlado Lenoch, and Vlado would be horrified at your attitude. But then again, Vlado's claim to fame isn't from flying his daddy's Mustang, is it?

If you have issues with the AH flight model, why not simply take your concerns to e-mail, why post it to the BBS unless you want the attention? As it is, I have had several WWII veteran combat pilots comment very favorably on the the AH flight model. No, it's not perfect.. But hey pal, go look in a mirror.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 10, 2005, 08:08:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Golfer
I'm still just saying that he hasn't had a chance to reply in this thread to give you the answer you're accusing him of not having.
[/b]

But he did. Check his reply of 02-10-2005 06:24 AM in this thread.

There's no "lynchmob" on my part. I view it as a reasonable request.

I'm willing to wait a while, but  it's not like he hasn't had a chance to easily put this to rest.

Like I said, just tell me the N-number or the nose art. I think it'd be pretty hard to accomplish identity theft without some contacts in the Mustang community.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 10, 2005, 10:08:49 PM
I was referring to certificate numbers and patent numbers that might have an effect toward ID theft.  Not what is painted on the side of an airplane.

Either way, the 'tone' (as much as one can interpret virtually through reading) of these threads are that of a lynchmob as a whole.


He hasn't replied since 6:30am today, you asked for (at least clearly) his LOA info and tail number after that.  I'm not taking sides, just not have the BBS go into witch hunting mode.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 10, 2005, 10:50:35 PM
No, that was Bodhi that asked about the LOA.

As for the LOA, I must admit the "I don't remember" comment suprised me. I had a lot of FAA checks in my time and I have forgotten who gave me most of them. I do remember who checked me out and signed me off on dual time tailwheel for the PT-19 insurance though. Big day; meant I could fly my PT anytime, anywhere all alone and be insured.

Warbirds are different. You remember more about them; they're living history and you're the custodian. It'd have to be a great day for any pilot to get his Mustang LOA. As I said, it raised an eyebrow.

Look. 500 hours in a Mustang is unusual at best for just about any pilot.

If someone is going to snipe the game and back it up with that kind of claim, I can't see where anyone would think it unusual to be questioned on it.

It's easily verified without running any "identity theft" risks too. As I said, the Mustang community just isn't that big.

If you own a particular warbird, you end up being aware of the other ones in your area, who flies them, how much they fly them and how good the airplane is mechanically and cosmetically. You end up swapping parts and techniques.

I'm happy to wait a while. I don't view a N-number or nose art request as any big violation of privacy. He made the claim; I'm just asking which Mustang it was.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 10, 2005, 10:55:16 PM
I know toad, I'm just saying though.

If I had the ability to own a P-51 then I've got other interests that some less than saintworthy folks might want to tap into without permission.  A P-51 owner isn't a redneck driving a hocked up Camaro with cousin sara next to him.  I've yet to meet one who was hard up for cash and other interests.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 10, 2005, 11:25:20 PM
He said it was sold, right? Should be in the registry under a new owner by now.

Anyway, it was his father's. I doubt addresses and such would match up and probably not names on licenses.

I ran a check on my license and there were like 60 other guys with the same first and last name. Mines not all that common either.

Like I said Golfer, you make claims like that here, especially after Voss, you're going to get called on it.

Running away from it makes it look like....... scorpions are chasing you or something.

just sayin'
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 10, 2005, 11:34:21 PM
Well I've known Straiga (virtually) for a while and it's fine to err on the side of caution.  I just don't want to see (and would expect better, especially from those in aviation) to not try and carry out a sentence before a verdict.

At this point, I'd just say he's very into the game.  We've talked and he has great respect for Hitech, his accomplishments and how far flight sims have come.  The opinion he's shared with me is that he thinks it could be better and he passes time by picking things out of the flight model that he may think have been overlooked.  Whether due to an oversight or lack of flight experience.  Right now I view it as his way of trying to make the game better and it's not hard to see how it caught all the Voss underbrush on fire and is starting to grow into a wildfire.

I'm not taking sides, just trying to moderate because another 'Voss Conspiracy' is the last thing the community needs and crying wolf isn't the best way to go about it anyway.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 10, 2005, 11:40:42 PM
Nobody's crying "wolf".

What you're hearing is "I call".

What you're not hearing is an answer.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 11, 2005, 12:23:46 AM
Golfer,

I could give a rats fornification about his certificate number or any other #'s...

He claimed to have a boatload of 51 hours (500 to be exact) and that we should "listen to him because he knows".  Guess what...

I have been busting my hump the last 14 years in aviation.  During 12 of those years I have been restoring and flying around in warbirds.  The last year and a half I am nolonger PIC capable, but I still restore and ground check.  For 6 of those years I also worked a second job at Delta.  If you ask around, a fair amount in the industry know of me.

So, the only question I asked of Straiga that set me off on a "gee this guy is a fraud" is the who did his LOA question.  Hell, how the shreck do you forget something like that when there are so few who do it!  Some guy in Cali... there are THREE thats it and that state has the most by a factor of three!

Top it all off with a few solicitations to some of my friends in the warbird community, and nobody has heard of this guy.  Kinda strange to me.  That and the general for a daddy with a P-51... lol thats BS.  

This is all starting to look more an more like a field of meatball to me, one that you are swallowing hook line and sinker.

Tell ya what straiga... post your last name and lets see whether your dad is truly a general....
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Urchin on February 11, 2005, 12:30:56 AM
Dude... he had to change his last name to fly F-16s for the CIA.  

God you people are ignorant!
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 11, 2005, 09:40:21 AM
I wouldn't say I'm swallowing anything hook, line & sinker.  I'm not jumping up and down proclaiming victory as a triumphant winner of a BBs witch hunt without giving the guy a chance.

As I mentioned before, he seemed knowledgeable enough in the systems info I asked about the P-51 and nothing in the time I've known em in the game has made me suspect him of being a fraud, fake, phony or con artist.

I do know a thing or two about guys wanting to protect some form of anonymity and I personally think it's hardly an appropriate question to ask someone to supply information about an airplane they do not own without consent of the [former] owner, whether or not it's your father.

He may be over exuberant at times, but knowing him for a while I'm not going to just about-face and shout burn em at the stake while waving a pitchfork.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 11, 2005, 09:43:05 AM
I don't mean to make anyone mad or upset about anything, either.  Innocent before guilt though, right?  I really hope some of you would do the same or have someone who would do the same for you.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 11, 2005, 09:51:51 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Golfer
I personally think it's hardly an appropriate question to ask someone to supply information about an airplane they do not own without consent of the [former] owner, whether or not it's your father.


Golfer, you're starting to sound like an apologist.

Most any guy here that had flown IN a Mustang, let alone had 500 hours in one would be so eager to show you pictures that you'd think they just had their firstborn son and wanted to show you pictures.

Some guy claims to have 500 hours in a Mustang... a large amount of time in an expensive Warbird. Other guys say "which one?" and the reply is "I don't remember".

Only two real options here: The guy is outright lying or he's paranoid that the Internet Stalkers are going to hunt him down and steal all his wealth and liberty because he once flew Moonbeam McSwine for 500 hours.

Which do you think is more likely?

Tell you what, this whole story has piqued Reg Urschler's interest. Next time you talk to Straiga, ask him if he'd talk to Reg. Then I'll ask Reg if he thinks it's all straight up.

Surely he can trust a retired USAF General that owned (now belongs to the CAF; he donated it) and currently flies a P-51. Reg may well be the high-time Mustang pilot in the US right now.

I'll be happy to supply Reg's number if you can set this up.

Thanks.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: hitech on February 11, 2005, 09:53:37 AM
I'm sorta with golfer on this one. Somthing dosn't smell right, but would like to hear a response.

HiTech
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 11, 2005, 10:22:34 AM
I would like to ask another question based on this (Straiga's Bio):

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33 yrs of flying 9yrs US navy flying 14Ds and now Airline Pilot for Major Carrier Certified Flight Instructor airplane & Helicopter


What year did you go through Pensecola?  Surely you would remember your class number.  Flying the Tomcat, hell that in itself is an amazing accomplishment.  Surely you remember the ships you were group was assigned to and the years you did cruises.  Were you in East or West Coast Squadrons?  

Just curious.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Wotan on February 11, 2005, 10:57:29 AM
Sweat Jesious,

More like Voss everyday...
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 11, 2005, 03:09:05 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Bodhi
I would like to ask another question based on this (Straiga's Bio):



What year did you go through Pensecola?  Surely you would remember your class number.  Flying the Tomcat, hell that in itself is an amazing accomplishment.  Surely you remember the ships you were group was assigned to and the years you did cruises.  Were you in East or West Coast Squadrons?  

Just curious.


This is the stuff I'm trying to prevent.  If he gets you guys his LOA and logbooks...where does it end?

Would you be willing to just give the benefit of the doubt if he could produce an LOA or a photo or photocopy of his certificate listing his experimental authorization?  Do you want his DD-214 (I think thats the document).  Statements signed and notarized by former squadron COs?  It has to end someplace, and having people asking me to prove that I have a certain qualification isn't so bad.  When it keeps on coming is when it would get real frustrating.

The guy is picking me up at the airport in Vegas at 10pm in 9 days for crying out loud.  If it's in anyone's interest I'll at least know for certain and barring any unforeseen circumstance I don't see why he'd make this up.

I know this much...he flies international for Hawaiian.  He also flies for an aeromedical outfit in Arizona (no I don't have a name, I didn't and still don't have a reason to prod) which is a several hour drive from his home.  I don't know anymore whats/whys and I don't care.  Toad, of all people you should know if he is out on a trip he very well might not have internet access or time to care about going's on in the HTC forums.  

What if he goes and totals up his logbook (a long and unfun enough task) and finds he has 463 hours of P-51 time?  Do you proclaim victory and banish him as a fraud from the BBs?

I'm not defending, prosecuting, alleging or anything-ing.  It just seems that these days the BBs users are all to happy to go play hide and seek with the many personalities of Mr.Black who's desperate enough for attention to keep that game going.

I kindly request, out of respect for all here, that if an LOA/Certificate with appropriate ratings is produced that it's declared finished and we all go on about our merry little lives.  Bodhi can restore airplanes.  Straiga can be the unofficial QC czar or AH.  Hitech can amaze us all with his ability to 'coad' and complete inability to produce consistent accurate spelling.  I'll just fly whatever the I can get my hands on to fatten up my anemic logbook.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 11, 2005, 03:27:54 PM
Golfer,

I will be more than happy to offer up an open apology, and quit posting for a bit if he wants, should he be right.  If he is not correct, all I want is an open apology to everyone here for being decieving, and a letter written to the Naval Pilot's Association apologising for lying about that.  

Pretty simple request.  Hell, there is no doubt in my mind that he has knowledge about aircraft, I just want to hear the truth, and If I was wrong, I will happily admit it.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 11, 2005, 03:33:57 PM
You're not going to be given time in a penalty box because you had an opinoin.  If someone wagered me anything to not post on the BBs for X amount of time...it wouldn't really matter in my life.  I wouldn't sob.  I wouldn't cry.  I'm here because I like to think I have a little knowledge to offer in case someone needs help.  I also use it to stay updated on HTC and AH developments.  Hence why I don't have 23462346213 posts.

I'd do the same for you (its not whether or not you can provide proof that you are qualified to do something, it's the principal in my own opinoin) if the situation was any other way.  It's stupid and childish to say "liar liar pants on fire" and demand proof for every little this and that.  If you're a known or proven nutjob (Mr.Black for example) then either ignoring or asking for evidence of his ubersniperness is one thing.  If this ends happy...I want a return to business as usual and nobody owes anybody anything.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 11, 2005, 06:40:28 PM
Let me get this staight, you'd be perfectly happy resuming the status quo if someone had falsely represented themself with the sole purpose of deceiving you?

Sorry, but been there done that, not going to allow that type around me ever again.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Thrawn on February 11, 2005, 07:01:25 PM
Golfer = Straiga = Voss
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 11, 2005, 07:07:01 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Golfer = Straiga = Voss



Care to wager a case of this (http://www.internetwines.com/rws29073.html) on that statment, Thrawn?
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 11, 2005, 07:09:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Bodhi
Let me get this staight, you'd be perfectly happy resuming the status quo if someone had falsely represented themself with the sole purpose of deceiving you?

Sorry, but been there done that, not going to allow that type around me ever again.


Bodhi, not at all!

At this point, after knowing Straiga in-game I don't have any reason to believe he'd make it up.  I was referring to a 'return to normalcy' you might say, if/when it all works itself out with a happy ending.

I just would like to have a verdict before anyone carries out a sentence.  That last line about sums up my stance.  (too bad it took this long to say)
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 11, 2005, 07:20:24 PM
First of all, I believe I was the first one who said "relax, he might be out on a trip." I said that on:

02-09-2005 10:48 PM

Straiga replied in that thread on 02-10-2005 07:01 AM. Unfortunately, he chose not to shed any light on his bona fides. He merely referred the "little people" to this Autopilot thread. Another place that he could have resolved the problem but chose not to do so.

So it isn't as if he hasn't had an opportunity to reply; he chose not to provide any definitive information.

BTW, the above isn't an indictiment or "lynchmob" comment; it's merely the historical record so far; might as well all be on the same page.

Where does it end? Well, for me I'd like to know which Mustang and the rough time period he was flying it. I can check it out from there. Golfer, I'm sure you realize there aren't that many retired USAF generals who had Mustangs and let their son fly it a bunch. I don't really anticipate that it would be that hard to verify.

As for the Navy F-14D claims, that's pretty easy too. Name a couple of cruises, with time period and squadron. I'm sure it won't be too tough to track a guy that had a USAF general for a father in the Navy. That'd be almost common squadron knowledge.

I think that'd pretty much do it for me anyway. I personally don't need to see an LOA or a logbook. I'd rather check through the respective communities.

Let me give you an example. I was 343 SRS (later became 38th SRS for the front end crews) from mid-75 to mid-80. Ask just about anyone in that squadron at that time if they knew a guy from Kansas City whose dad was a retired L/C and I think you'll get my name. Had my dad owned a Mustang, everyone on the base would have known me.  ;)

As I've repeatedly pointed out, folks that make these claims ought to expect to be called on it. It's the Intardnet. Anyone can pretend to be anyone nowadays. In this community, Voss fouled the nest and the BS antennae are, as a result, always up.

There are a few things that Straiga has posted that made my particular BS meter needle jump. One of those was the "I can't remember" comment. Can't remember? Pegged the needle there.

If you don't want to tell me, I'd accept a sharp "none of your business". I'd still question the bona fides, but I'd accept the answer.

But a guy that flew a Mustang for 500 hours and "can't remember" which one?

Maybe, "I can't remember the serial number but the N-number was XXXX." or  I can't remember the serial number but the nose art was "Moonbeam McSwine".

Anyway that was one thing; there's more.

As to the entire vital discussions propagated and the game, I'm sorry but I view a large part of it as nitpicking. I didn't bother to read the full engine torque thread but surely most pilots realize that flying is the continual adjusting of controls to achieve the desired result or flight path.

You're coming down final, the crosswind changes two knots, you make a basically unconscious correction. You slowly burn off fuel in one wing tank and you continually, unconsciously make a small alieron correction (or dial in some trim) to compensate.

In most of the aircraft modeled here, engine torque is never going to be some huge factor. It's going to be a relatively small change that you will unconsciously adjust to as necessary.

Now I never was a big "gotta know every single detail about how this rivet affects total drag" kind of guy. I just fly the airplane where it needs to go mostly in whatever circumstances I find myself in.

I think HT has pretty in-depth knowledge of what he is modeling. I think he has modeled BETTER THAN ANYONE SO FAR IN A MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE AIR COMBAT GAME.

And he provides that for $15/month. So you know what? I'm not going to drag out all my old aerodynamic books to see just exactly how much that rivet that's .35 of an inch taller than it should be  affects the flight model. Cuz I don't care.

Same for this autopilot thread. Most of the aircraft in this game never had any sort of a/p in real life. HT gave us an a/p that allows me to answer the door and pay the Pizza man while I'm climbing out. Good deal, sez I. Do I care if it works like the a/p in a B-767? Not in the friggin least.

Sorry for running on.

Like I said, if I claimed to have 500 hours in the P-51 and started telling folks to listen to me cuz I know and I'm telling you how it is, I'd sure as watermelon expect to be called on it and I'd sure as watermelon be ready to provide some easily checked bona fides.

"Yeah, Reg Urschler checked me out in Gunfighter and I fly it when he can't make a show."

I WISH. I got a ride in the backseat with no controls. It was fabulous. It was from New Century Airport in Olathe, Kansas to Lawrence, Kansas the day before they dedicated that building to Bob Dole at KU. Doug Jackson accompanied us in his Tora T-6/Zero and we did a bit of hassling on the way.

See? Not that hard, is it?
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 12, 2005, 12:05:23 AM
Copy/Paste from "Straiga P-51 time" thread.  Applies here.

You may want to "Quote" this next post.

All right fellers.  I had about a 1/2 hour vox conversation tonight in the game with Straiga and I will say this...


1.)  I believe him.
2.)  I will be gladly accepting his invitation to his home for a visit while staying in Vegas.
3.)  If he does not in fact hold the qualifications he says, I will provide each person who posted in this forum *up to this point*a full months service of Aces High ($15/person)

If that's not good enough for you to say it's kosher, then I will upon my return from Vegas (Scheduled to arrive back in Columbus at 9:40am on March 11th) provide photographic evidence of his pilot certificate.  I will NOT however, provide any personal information of his.  I will place my pilot certificate next to his when photographing to verify I was there.  Just to make it clear, I will black out the following:

Front:
Name
Address
Date of Birth
Pilot Certificate Number
Date of Issue

On the back:
Name
Certificate Number

This will list his privileges, ratings and limitations.

If I am right, however.  Any takers must say so and then the terms go the other way.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 12, 2005, 12:47:25 AM
Personally, I don't give a fig about his ratings.

I'd like to know if he really has beaucoup hours in a Mustang and if his Dad's a retired General.

Ratings are anything but rare. Mustang time? Rare.

So, find out which Mustang it was and I'll research it from my end, thanks.

Same with the F-14 time. Just get Sqaudron, Cruises and time frame. That'll be plenty.

That's all I'm really interested in.

Thanks in advance.

Too bad he has to use you as an intermediary, eh? Funny he's bashful now after all he had to say about the game.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 12, 2005, 01:06:19 AM
I don't consider myself being used a puppet, toad.  He didn't ask me to say anything and he hasn't checked the boards in a few days.  When I ran into him tonight I asked for a few minutes on a private channel and that was the first thing I asked.

That's really it.  He said more which I'm sure would greatly aid your search but I won't be the one to give out the information.

I did a little research on my own, and Straiga's name doesn't show up on the patents.  I know his real name, again more personal info I can't say I'm at liberty to distribute.  From what I gather those names of his partners and that's all I know.

I'm doing this for myself now, if I can save a few bucks a month paying for Aces High I'll do it.

You could also do what I did.  If you want the info, why don't you contact him directly and privately rather than trying to publicly humiliate him on an open forum BBs.  I bet you two would agree on more than you disagree.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 12, 2005, 01:37:03 AM
How can I possibly publicly humiliate him if what he says is true?

Beyond that, as I said, a person making those kind of claims on the AH BBS should expect to be asked about them. You put yourself out as an expert Mustang driver on this game's BBS and you don't expect to be asked about it?

I think there's far more than just myself that are interested in his bona fides.

He made the claim publicly; let him back it up publicly.

If you're that hard up for AH money, I'll give ya a month. Gratis. Has nothing to do with his ratings.

I just want to know which Mustang and what time period.

Which Tomcat squadron, what boat, what cruise, roughly when.

Pretty simple.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Furious on February 12, 2005, 02:25:47 AM
Do you really think your going to get it Toad?
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 12, 2005, 03:16:16 AM
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Originally posted by Toad
How can I possibly publicly humiliate him if what he says is true?

Beyond that, as I said, a person making those kind of claims on the AH BBS should expect to be asked about them. You put yourself out as an expert Mustang driver on this game's BBS and you don't expect to be asked about it?

I think there's far more than just myself that are interested in his bona fides.

He made the claim publicly; let him back it up publicly.

If you're that hard up for AH money, I'll give ya a month. Gratis. Has nothing to do with his ratings.

I just want to know which Mustang and what time period.

Which Tomcat squadron, what boat, what cruise, roughly when.

Pretty simple.



Fair enough.  I ask though, would it be acceptable to you if this was settled on private terms so then you would be able to report back here whether or not you are either satisfied or dissatisfied with what you have heard?  I trust you'd give your word not to post in the open any information you recieve and instead say either "True" or "Fase" regarding the statements.

I'd appreciate an email here (nemypoo@gmail.com) regardless.  Thanks.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: SunKing on February 12, 2005, 03:58:20 AM
Let me translate this for Toad..

"Email me directly. We will make a private deal to keep you quit and stop persuing my clients boasts publicly". ;)

Toad is a patient guy. But the whole community is waiting on the N number. Such a simple request from someone that had so much to bluster. I know I'm not the only one following this thread.

Your spindoctor talents are admirable Golfer, defending an online friend is a noble gesture. But don't take the community for fools, your're not pulling the wool over anyones eyes. He's in the game playing daily, and we all know he lurks this bbs/thread. His bluff was called, simple as that. He answers a simple question and he'll get an apoligize.. game over.


*poof*
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Urchin on February 12, 2005, 10:28:51 AM
Oh man.. somebody run down to Hell and make sure it is still OK... I actually agree with something Sunking wrote....
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 12, 2005, 10:29:51 AM
I want his last name, thats all.

That way I can confirm whether the Daddy is a general, and whether he flew f-14's

His silence is providing more answers than he ever could.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 12, 2005, 10:35:08 AM
Here's a deal for you Golfer.

photoshop does wonders. I want his last name, that way it could be independantly verified by HTC (If they agree) that indeed that is correct. They should be able to verify that info unless of course his father pays for the game too.

If he is indeed correct, I will apologise and reimburse the both of you for 1 mos. AH service.

Your raise is called.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 12, 2005, 11:06:26 AM
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Originally posted by Golfer
 Fair enough.  I ask though, would it be acceptable to you if this was settled on private terms so then you would be able to report back here whether or not you are either satisfied or dissatisfied with what you have heard?
[/b]

No.

He made the public statements about his Mustang time and his father the USAF general. I submit to you that there are people in both communities that are offended when folks claim to be "members of the club" as it were but are really just making it up.

Same with his bio statments about F-14 experience. There's folks in that community that examine claims like too. They take what they accomplished pretty seriously.

I think it's quite interesting that Straiga has disappeared from the discussion but that you are such a dedicated defense attorney.

Hey... it's electronic ink. He wasn't a bit bashful in his AH comments and his statements of his expertise.

He can't come back into a thread and just tell us which Mustang and where/when he flew F-14's?



 
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Originally posted by Golfer
I trust you'd give your word not to post in the open any information you recieve and instead say either "True" or "Fase" regarding the statements.

I'd appreciate an email here (nemypoo@gmail.com) regardless.  Thanks.



Absolutely not. As I said, I was not the one that made these public claims.

I merely called him on them. And he.......... just disappeared.

As one who had DIRECT dealings with Voss and Doom over the flight game scandal, I can't tell you how "deja vu" this all makes me feel.

Look Golfer... for ANYONE with that kind of Mustang time, the N-number/nose art question is no thing. No thing at all. 99.9% of all Mustang drivers can't wait to tell you about their bird.  Guess who the .1 is?

No, this thing was public from the very first

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I wish you guys could fly the real P-51D, I have, and my experiences flying it is what im telling you about.
Straiga


and he's the one that made it that way.

I don't know what I'd say to you in an E-mail. My questions are directed at Straiga.

If you have something you feel you must say to me in private... that can't stand the light of day on this BBS where Straiga made all his claims... contact me at:

WhatMustandDidStraigaFlyremovethis@hotmail.com

Remove the "removethis" from that address obviously. LOL! I misspelled Mustang! Oh well.. it'll work.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Guppy35 on February 12, 2005, 11:19:49 AM
Go here.  Point out which Mustang:

http://www.mustangsmustangs.net/p-51/survivors/p51listD5.shtml

And if Dad was an AF General, what's this guy doing in the Navy? :)

Dan/Slack
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Sikboy on February 12, 2005, 11:23:24 AM
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Originally posted by Guppy35


And if Dad was an AF General, what's this guy doing in the Navy? :)
 


This rings true to me.

What father doesn't want a better life for his son?

-Sik


Go Navy :p
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Maverick on February 12, 2005, 11:35:46 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Golfer
I'm still just saying that he hasn't had a chance to reply in this thread to give you the answer you're accusing him of not having.



That simple statement is nothing but grade "A" premium bovine excrement. He has had ample time and oportunity to respond. He knows how to do it as it takes exactly the same "skills" it took to make all his posts on this BBS.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Guppy35 on February 12, 2005, 11:37:49 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Golfer
I wouldn't say I'm swallowing anything hook, line & sinker.  I'm not jumping up and down proclaiming victory as a triumphant winner of a BBs witch hunt without giving the guy a chance.

As I mentioned before, he seemed knowledgeable enough in the systems info I asked about the P-51 and nothing in the time I've known em in the game has made me suspect him of being a fraud, fake, phony or con artist.

I do know a thing or two about guys wanting to protect some form of anonymity and I personally think it's hardly an appropriate question to ask someone to supply information about an airplane they do not own without consent of the [former] owner, whether or not it's your father.

He may be over exuberant at times, but knowing him for a while I'm not going to just about-face and shout burn em at the stake while waving a pitchfork.



Golfer, for many of us back in the Airwarrior days we had a guy named KenJr, whose Dad was a 60 mission B17 pilot with the 91st Bomb Group.  Dad also owned a B17.  KenJr talked about it often and often used it to back up his discussions of flight models etc.

When I first heard it I started asking him about it.  Aviation history has been a long time passion.  Hunting info on bomber crews is something I do for a hobby.  Since I had 91st BG contacts I figured it would be easy to find out more.

Ken never responded and did just what Straiga is doing now.  When I saw the photo he posted of the Evergreen B17 I knew he was a fraud.  His Dad's name never showed up in any 91st BG history and 60 mission B17 drivers can be named on one hand.

When I called him out, he remained silent while others who knew him via the internet, leaped to his defense.  I nearly had my head taken off for having the gall to accuse him of lying.

Problem was I was right.

Needless to say folks get a little excited when a guy claims to have 500 hours in 51s.  Straiga threw it out there to support claims about how a 51 flies.   He threw out that Dad was an AF General retired that owns a 51.

So folks jumped on that wanting to hear more.  Most of us would love to be in that position.  When he got quiet after bringing up the subject to begin with, for some of us the old "KenJr" feeling starts to creep back in.

Since surviving 51s are very well known, along with their owners, Straiga can ease those fears by sharing the wealth.

Which 51 is Dads?

Dan/Slack
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Maverick on February 12, 2005, 11:39:28 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Urchin
Dude... he had to change his last name to fly F-16s for the CIA.  

God you people are ignorant!



:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok  Good point! :rofl
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 12, 2005, 11:43:03 AM
Guppy.

Quote
Originally posted by Straiga
I have over 500 hours in the P-51D. I dont remember who gave me my LOA but he was some fed out of california. I dont remember half the feds who gave me a liscence.

My dads and his partner sold the airplane in Apr 2004. At this time I dont have the correct serial # but I will get them for you. The airplane was brought over from europe in around 96 or 97.


Straiga


Apparently the airplane has been sold to someone else.

If a bit more information is not forthcoming, I may see if I can track it through the sale/Europe info.

There can't be all that many Mustangs that sold in April 2004 which were imported in '96 or '97.

.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Guppy35 on February 12, 2005, 11:59:52 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Toad
Guppy.

 

Apparently the airplane has been sold to someone else.

If a bit more information is not forthcoming, I may see if I can track it through the sale/Europe info.

There can't be all that many Mustangs that sold in April 2004 which were imported in '96 or '97.

.


Very complete Mustang survivors list.  Each individual listing has the history, previous owners etc.  Dad has a name.  It should be there.  Plane has a name, even better.  

http://www.mustangsmustangs.net/p-51/survivors/p51list.shtml

Dan/Slack
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 12, 2005, 12:05:00 PM
Yes, I'm aware of that list.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Wotan on February 12, 2005, 12:24:23 PM
Not only does this guy claim 500 hours in a P-51 he also claimed this:

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the B-17 time I have, did not require ailerons on takeoff or climb out.


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I have time in a b-17G sounds like what how the 17 was on takeoff and real heavy on controls too. Trim baby!


And a real gem here:

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I have B-17G time, its funny that I have flown a four engine bomber but someone who has not , knows more about flying the thing than I do. No experience and no clue. So whats it take to believe in something and admit your wrong. I guess when it hit between your eyes or maybe not.


And this:

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Im not just a pilot I also have an aeronautical engineering degree. Pilots do get a limited knowledge, but pilots have the flight experience that others dont have. The more time you spend flying in different airplanes you learn from training how that airplane will fly. I think if you did not have a degree in aeronautics, pilots would have a bigger advantage about how airplanes fly even more so with high time pilots. Engineers have no idea how there airplanes will react until the test pilot tells them.  


He's everything Voss thought he was plus B-17 time...
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 12, 2005, 01:11:09 PM
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Originally posted by Wotan
He's everything Voss thought he was plus B-17 time...


:D Not until he tells us the reason he has not replied is because of the dreaded scorpion bite while on a CIA mission to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities into ash...
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 12, 2005, 08:21:54 PM
bump
Title: Autopilot
Post by: FUNKED1 on February 12, 2005, 09:40:25 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Straiga
Im constantly amazed of the lack of aeronautical knowledge.


My thoughts exactly...
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Raider179 on February 12, 2005, 10:30:21 PM
Ahh man he isn't gonna answer this thread is he? damn  pretty entertaining read though. Someone get me a shovel so I can dig my way out of all this *#)@. How do you not remember the paint scheme/noseart. I can remember skins I like on planes in here. lol
Title: Autopilot
Post by: moose on February 12, 2005, 10:40:27 PM
just to add to what  toad said.. i've been working on my PPL for a couple of years now, almost finished, and i can remember the N designation for all 4 different planes i've trained in..  thats 40 hours over 2 and a half years...

500 hours? you spend that much time anywhere much less a cramped cockpit and i'd be amazed if you didn't know every little minute detail about the a/c.

after wasting the time reading though all these posts i've gotta believe this guy is full of BS - if all his claims were true his last name would be pretty well known in these circles.

im sure there is a bbs somewhere for 51 owners and enthusiasts that would be more then willing to help get to the bottom of this though, im sure they dont want people out there making false claims about such a rare piece of beauty
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 12, 2005, 11:39:05 PM
Quote
Originally posted by moose
im sure there is a bbs somewhere for 51 owners and enthusiasts that would be more then willing to help get to the bottom of this though, im sure they dont want people out there making false claims about such a rare piece of beauty


BBS... naw, but there are a few of that know quite a number in the warbird community.  I have made calls to 4 different guys, and they have never heard of this clown.

The most interesting call I have made though was to a gentleman who is quite interested to find out ole mr. straiga's name so he can verify if his F-14 statement in his bio is true.  

One way or another, we will find out his name, it would be best if straiga were to fess up, as the other way might be a bit embarassing to him.

Ohh, to add to what you said Moose, 9PL were the last three of the N# on my first solo.  It was a C-172 and it was all white with a putrid green highlight down the side.  I remember that, and it's been 16 years since I first soloed.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Guppy35 on February 12, 2005, 11:45:14 PM
N3332Q  Piper Warrior II, First Solo 1977.

How could ya forget the bird you did your first solo in? :)

Dan/Slack
Title: Autopilot
Post by: moose on February 13, 2005, 01:23:11 AM
N13552 first solo @ 2B1 at 3.5 hours in my book.. i credit AH for a lot of the on hand stuff, especially rudder control :)
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 13, 2005, 01:06:02 PM
still no answer straiga....
Title: Autopilot
Post by: bunch on February 13, 2005, 08:51:47 PM
wow 3.5hr, thats probably hot even for  WW1 standards...I was at nearly 18.  I fly like a sissy.  Hoping to be the old rather than the bold
Title: Autopilot
Post by: moose on February 13, 2005, 09:13:59 PM
yeah.. my instructor said i was the fastest he'd ever seen, and that he wasn't trying to rush me... everything came so easily though. i really think a lot of it had to do with playing every flight sim i could come across since i first got msfs.

of course now 2 years later and i still have no license. ran out of money :( trying to finish now though so i can enjoy the summer with my friends instead of solo
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 14, 2005, 01:48:23 PM
Still waiting
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 15, 2005, 12:32:53 AM
Me too.

This really isn't a big deal except that he has chosen to make it one.

If you got the time, it's no big deal to say which airplane you got it in.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Stringer on February 16, 2005, 08:24:21 AM
First Solo, 1980, Piper Traumahawk, N number ended with 888KC.

I remember like it was yesterday being alone for the first time and saying "888 Kilo Charlie, ready to taxi to active"
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 16, 2005, 06:51:18 PM
Just a name please straiga.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Urchin on February 16, 2005, 07:58:54 PM
I'd just drop it, it is Voss under a different name.  

Pretty much everyone knows it, just like everyone pretty much knows the dude is gone.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Guppy35 on February 16, 2005, 08:10:12 PM
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Originally posted by Stringer
First Solo, 1980, Piper Traumahawk, N number ended with 888KC.

I remember like it was yesterday being alone for the first time and saying "888 Kilo Charlie, ready to taxi to active"


Same thing.  "Triple three-two quebec over the Maple Grove tower with Charlie"....

LOL talk about a flashback :)

Dan/Slack
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Simaril on February 16, 2005, 08:52:08 PM
Late to the party, but a heck of an entertaining read.

Golfer, love to hear what happens in Vegas.

And, though he is clearly convincing on vox, Straiga's long avoidance of this thread makes me suggest that you may want to have some cab fare with you when you land.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Sikboy on February 16, 2005, 09:12:45 PM
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Originally posted by Simaril
Late to the party, but a heck of an entertaining read.

Golfer, love to hear what happens in Vegas.

 


I'm sorry to tell you that Golfer's head is probably being used as an Ashtray in Straiga's "Flesh dungeon"  right now.  Always meet internet lunatics in a public place.


-Sik
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Furious on February 16, 2005, 11:28:53 PM
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Originally posted by Sikboy
I'm sorry to tell you that Golfer's head is probably being used as an Ashtray in Straiga's "Flesh dungeon"  right now.  Always meet internet lunatics in a public place.


-Sik


lol
Title: Autopilot
Post by: GScholz on February 17, 2005, 03:23:42 AM
Golfer posted in the O' Club yesterday. Guess he's afraid to show himself here.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Kegger26 on February 17, 2005, 09:48:56 AM
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Originally posted by moose
yeah.. my instructor said i was the fastest he'd ever seen, and that he wasn't trying to rush me... everything came so easily though. i really think a lot of it had to do with playing every flight sim i could come across since i first got msfs.

of course now 2 years later and i still have no license. ran out of money :( trying to finish now though so i can enjoy the summer with my friends instead of solo


 Every student I have ever had that flew with a flight sim before learing how to fly, had his (or her) head looking dead on at the panel chasing the altimeter, trying to keep it at the assighned altitude I gave them. That being said when they go up for there IFR training they make some of the sweetest ILS landing's I have ever seen a student make. So I tend to think there are pros and cons to flight sims like MSFS, but the fun factor is still there.

-Keg
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Casca on February 17, 2005, 11:07:46 AM
I've talked to Golfer in the game.  My impression is that he is intellegent, rational.  A good guy.  I'll be interested in what he has to say.

In passing, I could not have come up with the N Number of the airplane I soloed in if you held a gun to my head.  It's in the logbook and on the shirt-tail I expect.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: hitech on February 17, 2005, 12:11:46 PM
Kegger26: Getting my head out of the cockpit, and flying by visual only was very hard for me.

HiTech
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Golfer on February 17, 2005, 12:27:37 PM
There are a few people I've talked to via private emails in this thread, and with the exception of them I will say this:

Get a life.



To say I am "afraid" to post here is laughable.  I've just been reading the posts here in the morning, sipping hot chocolate before work and wondering where things come from.  I can asssure the community of a few things.

Straiga is not Paul Hinds. (That would be Voss)

Straiga's initials are two consecutive letters of the alphabet in reverse.  i.e xy his initials would be yx.

He's an ATP, flies for Hawaiian.  Gimme a friggin break...I looked at the aerial photo of LAX posted by chairboy several times and if you didn't work for Hawaiian Airlines...would you have picked out that little white speck of an airplane?  I didn't.

I know a few former Naval Aviators.  For the most part (9/10) they are real level headed, quick thinking and pretty reserved guys.  I know 2 and Straiga who are a little more headstrong, less of a 'people pleaser' who will take to the attitude of "Why should I prove myself" just for the sake of a BBs community.  I doubt you'll hear from him on this issue.  It's easier just to stop posting and go on about his merry way.  I think if you went to him directly he would have given the information.  Attempting to run him over your virtual coals on a BBs that has no bearing on my daily life anyway...it wouldn't mean anything for me to stop posting here.  I'd just stop.  Play the game with my squadron and wonder how so many can be so petty.

Grow up.  If you want information, requesting it in the form of insults on a public forum isn't going to get you anywhere.  You're all pretty smart guys why act like 4 year olds.  Not long ago I had a kid come up to me and say he had a moon rock.  I took a look at the piece of limestone and asked how he got it.  He'd been on the space shuttle and when they stopped on the moon he picked it up.  If this had been the BBs the reaction would be to steal the moonrock, place it in a pedestal and labeling it "Justin's moon rock" while asking Justin all these questions to confrm he was an astrounaut.  Instead, I took the kid off where we could talk alone.  I told him lying isn't a good thing, and where he really got the rock.  He said the moon.  "Fair enough" I said then proceeded to enlighten him a bit about the shuttle program.  It doesn't land on the moon, in fact it doesn't get even 1/2 way there.  I asked if he had a college degree...not yet he said.  Well when I told him that saying stories like these are going to make people not like him instead of appreciate his imagination...he'd gotten the picture.  The other kids forgot about it as soon as it happened but I'd like to think he's not going to do it again.

I don't know the point of that story, but I think dealing in person and being civil will get you further than demanding to be satisfied.  If at the very least, you'll earn the respect of whomever you're 'confronting' and that will take you further than you could ever imagine.  Good luck.

-Arrive in Las Vegas 10 pm on Sunday.  Have an invite to Straiga's house and a lift to the ATP apartments where I'm staying.  I won't have my own computer while there so keep your friggin pants on until I get back March 11th to hear what happened.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Flit on February 17, 2005, 12:37:51 PM
Hope ya got taxi money
 Also, I'm pretty sure that HT knows this fellas name, unless he prepaid with a cashiers check.
 Need a name for any CC transaction.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 17, 2005, 12:56:10 PM
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Originally posted by Flit
Hope ya got taxi money
 Also, I'm pretty sure that HT knows this fellas name, unless he prepaid with a cashiers check.
 Need a name for any CC transaction.


HT could not give this info out if he wanted to, it is a protected private transaction.

The other thing though is straiga has already mentioned his name to some other people through emails in the past and in conversations online in game.  So, it's not hard to get.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Urchin on February 17, 2005, 01:02:59 PM
When I "fly" in AH I hardly ever look at the instruments.. why would I be obsessed with looking at them in a real airplane?  

Not a smartass question, I really thought hardly anyone looked at the instruments while "flying" in a sim.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Wotan on February 17, 2005, 01:16:30 PM
Just shutting him up makes these threads worth it.

How many more 'HT your auto-pilot is wrong' or 'On Auto take-off the ailerons move' or 'Why doesn't my plane die correctly when the tail is shot off'' does this forum need?
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Starbird on February 17, 2005, 01:21:50 PM
I have 2 hours in a c172, and even tho I told myself before the flights that I would keep my head outside the cockpit, I still had a tendency to stare at them. Especially when told what heading and such to fly.

When I started flight sims, all you really had was a panel. flight sim 2 (c64, not ibm pc version), some screwy 737 sim, a320, etc. There really was  no sense of views. You had a panel that took up most of the screen, and maybe a few lines for your outside view. I learned how to fly vor radials and such before learning how to look outside.

Its a bit different today, with hat switches on joysticks and 3d virtual cockpits that you can look around almost naturally. There is actually some scenery out there to look at.

Combat sims are a bit different. I'm not as worried about speeds and altitude when flying an approach in ah as opposed to doing the same in msfs or some non combat sim.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Swoop on February 17, 2005, 01:51:26 PM
There's one easy way to solve this:



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Originally posted by Straiga
I dare you to come fly with me in a high performance twin, so again I can show you your wrong.




Go on HT, take a trip to Vegas, you know how much you like Vegas.  Oh wait, no that's Pyro.

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 17, 2005, 05:54:54 PM
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Originally posted by Straiga
I have over 500 hours in the P-51D. I dont remember who gave me my LOA but he was some fed out of california. I dont remember half the feds who gave me a liscence.


caca del toro
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Thrawn on February 17, 2005, 05:56:26 PM
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Originally posted by Golfer
I know 2 and Straiga who are a little more headstrong, less of a 'people pleaser' who will take to the attitude of "Why should I prove myself" just for the sake of a BBs community.



His actions contradict that.  His very first post on this BBS was him trying to prove himself on this BBS.  And he constantly brought up his "credentials" to this BBS.  But the second he gets called on it he doesn't feel the need to prove himself?  BS, he got caught lying and is now to ashamed to fess up.


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I doubt you'll hear from him on this issue.  It's easier just to stop posting and go on about his merry way.


Easier than simply stating which P-51 he flew in?  Nope, he could have head this off long ago.


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I won't have my own computer while there so keep your friggin pants on until I get back March 11th to hear what happened.


Looking forward to it.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Westy on February 17, 2005, 06:34:07 PM
  What Thrawn just said.    

 Although at this point I'll add that Golfer deserves all he has coming to him if he think Straiga's the real thing.  With any luck all he'll suffer for his naivity is a bad case of embarassment.




"It's easier just to stop posting and go on about his merry way."

 And ain't that just the cod's honest way of a blowhard.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Guppy35 on February 17, 2005, 07:10:19 PM
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Originally posted by Westy
  What Thrawn just said.    

 Although at this point I'll add that Golfer deserves all he has coming to him if he think Straiga's the real thing.  With any luck all he'll suffer for his naivity is a bad case of embarassment.




"It's easier just to stop posting and go on about his merry way."

 And ain't that just the cod's honest way of a blowhard.


Feel just a tad bit of Deja Vu here Westy? :)

Dan/Slack
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Flit on February 17, 2005, 08:18:21 PM
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Originally posted by Bodhi
HT could not give this info out if he wanted to, it is a protected private transaction.

The other thing though is straiga has already mentioned his name to some other people through emails in the past and in conversations online in game.  So, it's not hard to get.
This I know, I was'nt implying that HT give up the name, I'm just guessing he knows who it is.
 I've been reading thru his (Straiga's ) post's, and the one thing that is consistent is his trashing of the game.
 Negativity in not good.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Westy on February 18, 2005, 08:12:18 AM
"Feel just a tad bit of Deja Vu here Westy?"


 
  You can say that again!  I  wince from shame whenm I recall how we roasted you for daring to question Strohm's story(s) and credibilty.
 And this dumb sod can't even be original so he goes and plagerizes that   lying, deceitful, scumbags' script on how to bull**** an online community.
 

 Anyway. The list I've got now has

 Paul Hinds (Voss)
 Ken Strohm (KenJR)
 ?Real name? (Straiga)

 After reading this board and AGW for several years I know WB's had a couple of these too.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Sikboy on February 18, 2005, 09:22:36 AM
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Originally posted by Westy


 After reading this board and AGW for several years I know WB's had a couple of these too.


It's amazing to me, most boards that I've frequented for several years have at least one of these types. It's very interesting, and almost always seems to play out the same way, with only the names having changed.

There's a guy on an NFL bbs I post on that rivals most of what we've seen here.

-Sik
Title: Autopilot
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on February 18, 2005, 09:51:13 AM
I had once the chance to fly with a bonzana.

I even picked up a radial and flew over my home.

The pilot found me pretty good for a first timer because i kept my altitude.

He said it wouldn't take much lessons to fly.

There only 1 problem and that is money

10000 euros is to much for me.

And than u have to make the hours to keep ur licence.

Flying here is for the elitists yuppy rich boys.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 18, 2005, 07:09:30 PM
still waiting straiga
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Kegger26 on February 19, 2005, 01:32:47 PM
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Originally posted by hitech
Kegger26: Getting my head out of the cockpit, and flying by visual only was very hard for me.

HiTech


 I am not sure of the reasion that students that learn to fly mostly from a sim cant help but to stare at the panel, Urchin. But for some reasion EVERY student I have ever had that flew with MSFS or Xplane seemed to have this same problem. It is even a bit of a set back.
 The student flies the plane fine in real life, but the problem is they are learning VFR flying, not IFR flying, which means they need to be looking outside of the aircraft. They need to be looking for other aircraft and learning how to navigate using landmarks.
 The other problem they seem to have is when it comes to landing. They seem to lose the runway very easily. They have a hard time seeing the runway and "feeling" the plane as it touches down. In a flight sim it is hard to feel how close the plane is to touch down, so they look at the panel. Were teaching them to look outside the plane. So Sim pilots tend to make much harder landings than most. Thank god, the boys at Cessna gave the 172 tough landing gear.
 There are a host of other problems sim pilots come with, most of which are bad habits from flying in a sim. As a whole they are better pilots then most students. But as you really start to look at there performance flying the aircraft you see how much of an uphill battle it is to break some of those bad habits.
  But I will still take a sim pilot over a student I did have about two months back. He had spent the past 20 years flying Helicopters for the US Army, and while he understood the basic's of flight, I cant count the times he almost killed us both trying to land. Ever see a Cessna 172R hang about 30 feet over the runway stalling with full flaps? I have..... I was so mad at both him and myself that day. Me for letting his bad landing go that far, and him for flying a cessna like a bell 205. I dont know how we managed to get out of that one. I yelled "my airplane" at him, gave full power, pointed the nose slightly towards the ground and hoped for the best. We had just enough airspeed for me to lightly flare bounce really, really hard and get back airborne. We flew the pattern in silence, landed, taxied, shut down and walked inside. The first stop I made....to the restroom...I like to have pissed myself.

-Keg.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: SunKing on February 19, 2005, 06:09:33 PM
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Originally posted by Bodhi
HT could not give this info out if he wanted to, it is a protected private transaction.

The other thing though is straiga has already mentioned his name to some other people through emails in the past and in conversations online in game.  So, it's not hard to get.


Could HT personally verify his name vs the retired Gen and Col list , then post a simple yes or no and close this chapter?
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 20, 2005, 07:24:26 PM
I've sent some of Straiga's "qualifications" quotes to some people in the Mustang community, asking if they had ever run into such a person with those unique charateristics in his background.

Now, the folks I communicated with DO have extensive experience with in/with the Mustang and the Mustang community.

So far, none have run into or heard of such a person.

All are very much interested in knowing more about him.

Of course, they may not have run into him. But they are themselves well known in the Mustang community. Just sayin'.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Toad on February 21, 2005, 10:32:44 PM
Punt
Title: Autopilot
Post by: mars01 on February 21, 2005, 11:21:50 PM
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I am not sure of the reasion that students that learn to fly mostly from a sim cant help but to stare at the panel


I'm thinking the reason is that is all they are used to.  Flight sims really dont give you an accurate view to the outside world so they get used to staring at the panel.  Plus there is not a reason, as in real life, to stare outside in the sim other than to sight see.

MSFS is a good tool once the student knows the limmitations of it.  

I.e.  Stalls are nothing like real life, flare is nothing like real life and you have to fly with references outside the cockpit.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 22, 2005, 12:11:42 PM
we haven't forgotten your lies straiga....
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Kermit de frog on February 25, 2005, 03:25:29 AM
damnit, i just wasted about 1 hour of my life from reading this thread.  It was very entertaining, but could someone please give me my 1 hour back.  Thank you.

-Kermit
Title: Autopilot
Post by: hitech on February 25, 2005, 08:18:34 AM
I grant thee 1 free "extra" special super giagantic stupendus hour of bbs reading time. And should you choose to accept it, all knowdledge of your reading will be kept strickly confidencial.

This message will self distruct in 15 secs.


HiTech
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 25, 2005, 10:23:52 AM
PUNT
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Maverick on February 25, 2005, 12:29:05 PM
HT,  :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Stang on February 26, 2005, 02:23:36 AM
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Originally posted by Urchin
When I "fly" in AH I hardly ever look at the instruments.. why would I be obsessed with looking at them in a real airplane?  

Not a smartass question, I really thought hardly anyone looked at the instruments while "flying" in a sim.


In my own limited personal flightime, I've never been glued to the instruments either.  Just a quick check here or there to make sure things are where they are supposed to be.  I've always done things by feel, be it drive a car, swinging a golf club or anything else.  I seem to fly the same way.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Stang on February 26, 2005, 02:35:19 AM
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Originally posted by Kegger26
The other problem they seem to have is when it comes to landing. They seem to lose the runway very easily. They have a hard time seeing the runway and "feeling" the plane as it touches down. In a flight sim it is hard to feel how close the plane is to touch down, so they look at the panel. Were teaching them to look outside the plane. So Sim pilots tend to make much harder landings than most. Thank god, the boys at Cessna gave the 172 tough landing gear.
 


hmm maybe sims do cause those kinds of habits, but maybe a sim like AH is different since it is harder to constantly be flying by your instruments?  In a dogfight you have to fly by feel, and if you had to check your panel every couple seconds you'd get blown out of the sky real quick, so maybe a combat sim trains you to fly by feel more than a typical sim.  

My first time up I got to do two landings, one a touch and go at another field then the final touchdown.  The touch and go was a breeze, far easier than I expected and had no problems at all and to my pleasant surprise I wasn't nervous at all on the descent.  Maybe I got a little cocky and careless cause on the final landing we were coming in close to 80 mph instead of 65 mph like the Cessna's supposed to come in at.  The instructor said we were coming in hot, but again I was flying by feel and really hadn't been watching the gagues too close, but we were right on the glide slope, so I was just like "OK," chopped throttle a bit and pulled a little slip to bleed off the speed and promptly set her down nicely.  The instructor was kinda like "where'd you learn that?"  I was like "Don't ask" hhehe.  

Can't wait to have the time to get back to working to get my license.
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Bodhi on February 27, 2005, 04:02:48 PM
punt
Title: Autopilot
Post by: Simaril on March 01, 2005, 07:18:39 AM
Well, look at the bright side...

Even if Straiga ran away flapping his wrists and screaming like a girl --


At least we dont have to deal with his arrogant, marginally coherent rants anymore!   :aok
Title: Autopilot
Post by: hitech on March 01, 2005, 08:07:44 AM
I belive it is time we let this one die, unless straiga comes back.