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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: megadud on February 05, 2005, 01:00:59 PM
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Spitfires are beautiful i must unfortunaly admit.
But they are a bit common taste.
funny its markin says COAD
:)
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dunno.. dont really like the griffon spits apart from the XII and the bubble canopied versions.
(http://www.vintagefabrics.co.uk/images/nh799_02.jpg)
Prettiest spits imo are the IX and V.
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oh and mega, check this out...
(turn on your speakers)
http://www.jfs.no/film/spitfire_display_mark_hanna_256kbs.wmv
My god i love that sound.
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when they started to power up the spits, and then even worse started clipping the wings, thats when they lose what a spit is.
the Mk1 is beautifull to look at.
shes the mother of them all.
edit: good film furbs, and sad.
The Spitfire series really was the best prop fighter plane of all time, everyone knows it.
had the looks the moves and the sound.
and a very close second has to be the P38.
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MkI is an ugly shapless blob of a plane. The Mk9 looks pretty sharp and the later Griffon models are simply awesome - the Mk18 being a particular favorite. The G and K Bf109s are still much better looking though.
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The 109 looks like its designed with lego.
:)
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Warning, ghey thread alert!!:D
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no, the spit is definitely a lady ;)
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Everybody else might as well pack up their toys and go home. :D
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Spit best prop plane ever???? While I dont fly it,the History channel has declared the best prop plane in all round use the 51. I kinda have to agree with em.
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naw, these are some of the purrrrtiest evar... :cool:
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Originally posted by DrDea
Spit best prop plane ever???? While I dont fly it,the History channel has declared the best prop plane in all round use the 51. I kinda have to agree with em.
who made your engine?
i said in three catagories
looks moves sound.
all three of them are original and beautifull ;)
come on. America cant be best at everything military ever, please, i've heard of the 'winners writting the history books' but this is uncalled for, honestly now. :p
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Originally posted by Heretik
(http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/ftp/images/aviation/military/warbirds/fg-1d-corsair.jpg)
Everybody else might as well pack up their toys and go home. :D
aw man, that beats the 38 for second actually. how could i overlook it.
wallpaperised.
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Originally posted by DrDea
Spit best prop plane ever???? While I dont fly it,the History channel has declared the best prop plane in all round use the 51. I kinda have to agree with em.
the best prop a/c was actually the P-47 Thunderbolt.
(sorry if I'm using someone else's pictures here)
she looked good at home...
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/77_1107640537_bigjug.jpg)
wasn't afraid to go ANYWHERE...
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/77_1107640995_devilhawkjugs.jpg)
and, fought tooth 'n nail to bring you back home...
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/77_1107640635_345thfsdevilhawks_fwallen1.jpg)
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(http://www.circlecity.co.uk/wartime/aircraft/hurricane2.jpg)
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Ok I will correct myself here.The History channel had a run down from early ww2 to present day fighter fighter bombers.B 17 was voted best all around bomber.P 51 was voted best all around aircraft for what it was doing AND fighting against in the time it flew.Now I love the sound of the Spit,the 38 and the Hogs,but this isnt what Im talking about.Im talking overall ability.
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For me it would be a toss up between the P-72 and this
(http://www.rom.gr/rom5/images/images/aeromaniak/JOHNJAN/XP-67.JPG)
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"Im talking overall ability."
Well in that case its a run between the 38 and the F4U . The spit and the pony are left behind in range+ordenance+air /ground combat+survivability vs those 2.
In all those programs on tv they usually portray the p51 as the best merely because it had so many air to air kills and of course, because of its good performance.
They dont mention however, that by the time the P-51 came along the LW had been seriously attritted by the RAF and p38/p47 + russian front, germany had begun to feel the effects of the strategic bombing via lack of fuel which cut down the training time of replacement pilots (which the P-51 killed a large bunch of later on.. badly trained replacements) and were sent out against the LW in large numbers (whereas the 38/47/RAF were usually outnumbered by the LW before the arrival of the pony).
The P-51 was lots cheaper to produce and maintain and train pilots in than the 47 or the 38 as well.
I think all planes shined in their respective roles and in the time period they fought. But to say the P-51 is the best of them is like claiming the Me262 was the best fighter of ww2 just because it had such a huge performance advantage over all other craft. Its their impact on the war and when that impact was made that should determine which fighter was the best.
And in that case id say the p-38 and the p-47 are tied for 1st place.
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I'd throw the 38 out of that equation. The F6F would hold the second slot after the Jug.
The Hellcat kicked booty in the Pacific as the Jug did in the European theater. Mechanic posted my favorite Jug shot.
But if I could put my butt in one it would be the Corsair.
Of course if there was a 190-A series flying, I'd take that over any of them :D
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/474_1107649188_corsiar.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/474_1107650263_corsair.jpg)
But Ponies are pretty
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/474_1107650217_ponybest.jpg)
And I love Spits
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Originally posted by mechanic
The Spitfire series really was the best prop fighter plane of all time, everyone knows it.
"The Mustang could do everything the Spitfire could do, only better it could do it over Berlin"
Bud Anderson.
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Originally posted by mechanic
The Spitfire series really was the best prop fighter plane of all time, everyone knows it.
had the looks the moves and the sound.
and a very close second has to be the P38.
Personally, I'd say the FW-190 would be the best "overall" prop plane in WWII.
Followed by the Jug and Hellkitty.
Karaya
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That an American channel votes an American plane as the best WW2 fighter is hardly suppricing. Anything but a vote for an American plane would be chocking.
Im not saying that the Pony aint a damn fine plane because it is. Just that when in a such a tight competition with Dora´s and Spits an American channel is always gona vote American.
If we go purely on looks then the top 3 ww2 planes in my book are Spit, Pony and P40. I cant say which one looks best of these 3 but they are all sweet planes.
Performance wise. I propably thing its the Dora that was the best fighter in WW2.
No shame to the Pony and its pilots but they fought a demoralized LW with untrained pilots in the cockpit.
Most important fighters of WW2 where no doubt Spits and Hurries. They won the most important battle of WW2.
Tex
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HOGWASH!
You put Shane & GBall in this duo of chit-box, rusted out, oil-leaking, tin-roof, el-crapo planes (see photos below).. an La5 & N1k.. and I'll tell ya' what..
They'll shred them "pretty birds" (see all photos above) to smitherines with monotonous regularity ~
Note the La5 with flat tires, garish paintjob, and bristling with "Kill" stars! (definately Shanes' plane, a flying insult to all that's decent! LOL!!)
RV6~
BAAAhaahahahaaa!! :-))
(http://vtxpress.com/rv6/La5-stars.jpg)
(http://vtxpress.com/rv6/N1K2.jpg)
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Yeah, but Shane and GBall will do that no matter what you put them in.
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Originally posted by rv6
HOGWASH!
You put Shane & GBall in this duo of chit-box, rusted out, oil-leaking, tin-roof, el-crapo planes (see photos below).. an La5 & N1k.. and I'll tell ya' what..
They'll shred them "pretty birds" (see all photos above) to smitherines with monotonous regularity ~
Note the La5 with flat tires, garish paintjob, and bristling with "Kill" stars! (definately Shanes' plane, a flying insult to all that's decent! LOL!!)
RV6~
BAAAhaahahahaaa!! :-))
Too bad you have just SHAMED the La5, because Shane flies the La7. There is a HUGE difference between the two. School is out folks, there is nothing to see here, move on.
Karaya
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nah, spifires and corsairs.
cant beat em
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Nomak the 51 could only do it over Berlin because it had a British motor. And If we hadn't asked for, proposed it the 51 would never have existed. It was designed to meet a British request for fighters from U.S.A So yep a great aerop[lane that owes its existance to us good ole Brits. Thanks for making it.:aok
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Why didn't the Germans choose this over the 109?
Much prettier and faster I think.
(http://www.solomaquetas.com/cal/imagenes/camuflaje/cd/ww2/alemania/aeronaves/heinkel/he112_a_)
(http://www.geocities.com/ww2_lovci/arhiv/he112_s.gif)
(http://ipmsauckland.hobbyvista.com/Gallery/Meetings/Sep01/heinkel3.jpg)
Oh yeah I know cos Willy was a freind of Herr Hitler. Hitler was a chump :lol :rolleyes:
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Eliptical wings are so pretty.
(http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/supermarine/spitfireI-III/spitfire.jpg)
Still the best.
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Originally posted by Zulu7
Why didn't the Germans choose this over the 109?
Much prettier and faster I think.
(http://www.solomaquetas.com/cal/imagenes/camuflaje/cd/ww2/alemania/aeronaves/heinkel/he112_a_)
(http://www.geocities.com/ww2_lovci/arhiv/he112_s.gif)
(http://ipmsauckland.hobbyvista.com/Gallery/Meetings/Sep01/heinkel3.jpg)
Oh yeah I know cos Willy was a freind of Herr Hitler. Hitler was a chump :lol :rolleyes:
Because the 109 was faster.
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Without comment :)
Dan/Slack
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without comment
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SPITFIRE
followed by th P40
and then the JUG
all the rest does not matter
tied up as the ugliest WW2 fighter are the P38 and the 109, sorry Scholzi :p
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There is something so wrong with you Flyboy! ;)
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Yeah, the P40 and P47 are both ugly :D
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Originally posted by Zulu7
Nomak the 51 could only do it over Berlin because it had a British motor. And If we hadn't asked for, proposed it the 51 would never have existed. It was designed to meet a British request for fighters from U.S.A So yep a great aerop[lane that owes its existance to us good ole Brits. Thanks for making it.:aok
Whatever the reasons...... The Mustang was the greatest fighter of the war IMO.
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edit: Damn, I should've posted one of those Brewster pics.. you'd know pretty if you saw one. ;)
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Originally posted by Zulu7
Nomak the 51 could only do it over Berlin because it had a British motor. And If we hadn't asked for, proposed it the 51 would never have existed. It was designed to meet a British request for fighters from U.S.A So yep a great aerop[lane that owes its existance to us good ole Brits. Thanks for making it.:aok
Hmm.... Let's review history a bit. The Brits went to North American Aviation and asked them to build P-40s under license from Curtiss. NAA refused and offered to build a better fighter of their own design. Thus was the P-51 born, not so much because of the Brits, but somewhat in spite of them.
About the time the RAF began cobbling up Mustangs with Merlins, an American, familiar with the Merlin, made the same suggestion to the Army. North American's version was a lot cleaner and better integrated. Meanwhile, Packhard was contracted to build Merlins and went about converting the engine to Amercian Machine Standards (generally meaning tighter machine tolerances).
While all of this was going on, Lockheed was already flying a version of the P-38 (the K model) that performed as well or better than the P-51B, had equal range and could have been available by the fall of 1943. It was turned down by the War Production Board who didn't want to shut the P-38 line down for the few weeks required to tool up for the revised fighter. Over at At Republic Aviation, a P-47C-5 was modified with the new R2800 C series engine producing 2,800 hp. It demonstrated speeds up to 480 mph in testing. In 1944, 3 P-47D-27s had the same engines installed and thus appeared the P-47M. Drawings were already underway in 1943 for putting fuel into wing tanks (increasing the span by 44 inches) to give the Jug a 1,000 mile combat radius. This eventually appeared 18 months later as the P-47N.
While the P-51 was a fabulous aircraft, several other fighters were nearly ready to step in and fill the long-range escort role had the Merlin Mustang never been built.
My regards,
Widewing
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Nomak
yeah 51 good, spit slightly more good. just that bit prettier and I'm biased cos without the spit and the hurricane Ich must deutch sprechen (or something like that )
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(http://home.iae.nl/users/wbergmns/big/hurrican.jpg)
(http://www.historicaircraftcollection.ltd.uk/images/hurricane_00.jpg)
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Plus the blokes who flew em of course the most important. I am not worthy.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... To each his own!
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