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Title: exotic engine list
Post by: sullie363 on February 05, 2005, 05:40:23 PM

I am writing a paper which involves powerplants a little more exotic then the regular piston and turbofan.  What I have so far are:

ram jets
scram jets
solar
pulse jets
nuclear (both the NB-36H testbed and Pluto Project)
rocket

Seems like there should be more to the list so feel free to mention anything.

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: Furball on February 05, 2005, 06:44:48 PM

steam
coal (germans thought about making a coal powered a/c at end of wwii)
wind driven (like the top 'wing' of an auto gyro)
Human pedal power ;)


erm........ thats about all i can think of right now

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: hitech on February 05, 2005, 06:49:14 PM

Ion

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: killnu on February 05, 2005, 07:11:41 PM

hydrogen?

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: sullie363 on February 05, 2005, 07:20:04 PM

I like the sound of that coal powered one.  That's when you know you're down and out in a war.  

Hitech, I would use Ion drives but I won't be leaving the atmosphere for this paper.  

Yes, hydrogen has been used as a fuel for high altitude ram jet tests.

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: Delirium on February 05, 2005, 07:31:20 PM

I know Germany tested and used hydrogen peroxide for one of their submarines. I believe the hull for that test model was used in the type XXI by the end of the war.

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: GRUNHERZ on February 05, 2005, 08:01:37 PM

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Originally posted by sullie363
I like the sound of that coal powered one.  That's when you know you're down and out in a war.  

Hitech, I would use Ion drives but I won't be leaving the atmosphere for this paper.  

Yes, hydrogen has been used as a fuel for high altitude ram jet tests.

Actually most late war LW aircraft were coal powered, indirectly at least, as the synthetic German aviation fuels were derived from coal.

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: GRUNHERZ on February 05, 2005, 08:03:48 PM

Don't forget wankel rotary engines.

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: Bino on February 07, 2005, 10:24:34 PM

Turbo-compound recip engines are pretty complex: multiple exhaust-driven turbines, with one turbine geared to help spin the crankshaft, and one turbine spinning an intake charge compressor...

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/engines/eng34a.htm

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: Glasses on February 07, 2005, 11:08:45 PM

Burrito power.  Methane.

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: WilldCrd on February 08, 2005, 12:23:22 AM

a matter/ anit-matter injection type matrix
Using a crystal type structure to regulate the 2 streams therfore producing energy..


Actually its no joke. When Rodenberry was first developing star trek he had several scientists that worked together to give him a hypothetical futuristic way to power a starship. So it is possible.linkage from smart people (http://www.engr.psu.edu/antimatter/introduction.html)

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: OIO on February 08, 2005, 08:48:43 AM

Vacuum Energy.

A long time ago I read about a guy who was proposing that if vacuum energy could be harnessed, it could be used to propel almost anything since the energy output was enormous and inexhaustible...in space by using the energy to create high energy particles to shoot rearward of the craft (same principle as ion engine..only on steroids), in the atmosphere using that energy to superheat the air and expel it as propulsion (kinda like a jet engine without having to mix fuel to ignite it)

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: Casca on February 08, 2005, 09:39:31 AM

Isotta Fraschini L. 121/R.C. 40  used in the CC-2 Caproni.  Reciprocating engine to drive the compressors for a jet.  

Also the English, Bristol I believe, designed a stupendously complicated hybrid recip/turbine.  I'm not aware that it actually flew on anything.

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: hogenbor on February 08, 2005, 10:36:09 AM

Just wondering... did anything ever fly with a steam engine as power source?

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: Manedew on February 08, 2005, 11:11:41 AM

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Originally posted by OIO
Vacuum Energy.

A long time ago I read about a guy who was proposing that if vacuum energy could be harnessed, it could be used to propel almost anything since the energy output was enormous and inexhaustible...in space by using the energy to create high energy particles to shoot rearward of the craft (same principle as ion engine..only on steroids), in the atmosphere using that energy to superheat the air and expel it as propulsion (kinda like a jet engine without having to mix fuel to ignite it)

Alot of BS in that area it's funny if you look around...... but the genral Idea exisits ....yes .... noones really built anything that works yet.

But some of the thoeries state that inertia is an effect caused by 'resistance' in the zero-point "vacuum"

It's an odd idea ... experiments ahve more or less proved it's exsistance .... it's exsistance however does not prove it can be harnessed as a power source .... this might however change if we can work our brains around it ....

http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html

read this book once .. intresting read .. some off the wall stuff .... but written by a Janes man.....
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0767906276/103-1412395-3188655?_encoding=UTF8&n=283155&s=books

and check out the such questions as the Aurora,  some think the technology exisists .. it's just being kept black...

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=142106

::shrugs::  I just find it intresting that Boeing is spending money on anti-gravity research which is based around all this stuff......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2157975.stm
http://www.janes.com/aerospace/civil/news/jdw/jdw020729_1_n.shtml

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: sullie363 on February 08, 2005, 11:27:48 AM

Thanks guys.

That Wasp Major engine looks interesting.  I might use it to show how advanced good old radials got.

What's funny is if my paper actually went into space, I would have to discuss warp and other hypothetical engines.

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: rshubert on February 08, 2005, 02:59:32 PM

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Originally posted by sullie363
Thaks guys.

That Wasp Major engine looks interesting.  I might use it to show how advanced good old radials got.

What's funny is if my paper actually went into space, I would have to discuss warp and other hypothetical engines.

Don't forget the Zero Point Module (see stargate sg-1)

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: Furball on February 08, 2005, 03:06:32 PM

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Originally posted by sullie363
Thaks guys.

That Wasp Major engine looks interesting.  I might use it to show how advanced good old radials got.

What's funny is if my paper actually went into space, I would have to discuss warp and other hypothetical engines.

if you are going to do that, you might also want to consider the 24 cylinder H-form Napier Sabre Engine

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: sullie363 on February 08, 2005, 06:01:45 PM

Quote

Originally posted by rshubert
Don't forget the Zero Point Module (see stargate sg-1)

Ah yes, not bad for crystals.

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: VWE on February 08, 2005, 06:07:29 PM

Don't forget solar sails, not really and engine I guess...

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: MOSQ on February 08, 2005, 06:08:21 PM

I had a Cold Fusion engine in my Pinto.

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: g00b on February 08, 2005, 06:25:46 PM

Don't forget to classify these things properly. An engine converts stored energy to kinetic energy. Some types I have seen listed do not really qualify as engines. Things like solar, coal, etc... are not really about the engine but the energy storage medium.

My grandfather R.T. DeVault helped design and test the 1st ramjets.

For scale I would include the Space Shuttle Main Engine, and the molecular hydrogen turbines currently being developed.

g00b

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: jab116 on February 08, 2005, 11:20:03 PM

Don't forget the Sterling engine.

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: Angus on February 09, 2005, 10:50:45 AM

Well, somewhat normal, but anyway:
Two-stroke diesel ;)

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: Tabasco on February 09, 2005, 12:12:15 PM

Nanotechnology?  Here's a cool gallery of micromachines.  I'm not sure if this is the sort of thing that would power those insect-sized spy vehicles.

Check out the different categories too.

http://mems.sandia.gov/scripts/images.asp (http://mems.sandia.gov/scripts/images.asp)

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: koda76 on February 09, 2005, 01:58:31 PM

Wax engine......(everyones vehicle has one of these on it)

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: Casca on February 09, 2005, 02:29:35 PM

Napier Nomad.  It doesn't get much more exotic than this.  12 cylinder opposed two-stroke diesel combined with a turbine.

I'm not aware that this engine actually flew on anything.


(http://www.pcspray.com/pics/napier.jpg)

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on February 09, 2005, 02:33:14 PM

pneumatic power :)

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: Black Sheep on February 09, 2005, 07:20:46 PM

Ionic Breeze.

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: Seraphim on February 10, 2005, 01:32:38 AM

Some of our latest satelites use xenon ion propulsion, something like 95% efficiency.    Used in the 702 sattelites, like XMradio, DirectTV, stuff lke that

XIPS
 (http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/space/bss/factsheets/xips/xips.html)

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: SkyWolf on February 10, 2005, 06:53:11 AM

Me 163 Used Hydrogen Peroxide in part, as fuel. A very caustic mixture.
T-Stoff (Hydrogen Peroxide)
C-Stoff (Hydrazine/Methanol)


:eek:

Woof

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: Schutt on February 10, 2005, 07:35:01 AM

Soemone else already explaned solar and coal are no engines... but energy source.

Engine would be steam turbine or steam piston engine.

Electric motors also run in diffrent types... dont know the english description but there are for example ultrasonic motors in camera objectives.

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: koda76 on February 10, 2005, 11:03:44 AM

Wax Engine......thermostats have a "wax engine" that opens and closes it.

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: OIO on February 10, 2005, 04:02:40 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Manedew
Alot of BS in that area it's funny if you look around...... but the genral Idea exisits ....yes .... noones really built anything that works yet.

But some of the thoeries state that inertia is an effect caused by 'resistance' in the zero-point "vacuum"

It's an odd idea ... experiments ahve more or less proved it's exsistance .... it's exsistance however does not prove it can be harnessed as a power source .... this might however change if we can work our brains around it ....

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well its a really exotic power source. As exotic im sure as nuclear power seemed to folks when Currie (sp?) discovered those weird glowing rocks.. ;)

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: gatso on February 11, 2005, 10:21:17 AM

Prop-fan

Antonov AN-70
(http://wmilitary.neurok.ru/airgallery/An70-4.jpg)

Gatso

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: go4maw on February 12, 2005, 09:20:25 AM

Just wondering... did anything ever fly with a steam engine as power source?

 Yep Casey Jones !
 Landed 2 miles from the wreck !!!:D

Title: exotic engine list
Post by: go4maw on February 12, 2005, 09:20:50 AM

Just wondering... did anything ever fly with a steam engine as power source?

 Yep Casey Jones !
 Landed 2 miles from the wreck !!!:D