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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: wrag on February 09, 2005, 01:57:58 PM
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http://www.republicanandproud.com/warning.htm
http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/s/stock/2005/stock020905.htm
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"What is happening in some American mosques...is deeply disturbing. In certain Islamic schools, textbooks spit vitriol against Jews, Christians and other non-Muslims: 'Be disassociated from the infidels, hate them for their religion.' In mosque publications, America is the 'Abode of the Infidel.' The idea of human and civil rights is heresy. Working women are immoral. These views are extreme, they promote violence and they are being espoused right under our noses. We knew this was happening in France, Germany and England but we didn't know the extent of the problem here. It is not happening in all mosques or Islamic schools, by any means, but in those select ones funded by the Saudi government to disseminate the fanatic Wahhabi-style Islam that has its demagogic roots in Saudi Arabia. The Center for Religious Freedom just issued a discomfiting report looking at the spread of hate propaganda in America by Saudi Arabia. The center collected 200 books and other publications from mosques across the country and spent the past two years analyzing them. 'The Saudi textbooks and documents spread throughout American mosques preach a Nazi-like hatred for Jews, treat the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion as historical fact, and avow that the Muslim's duty is to eliminate the state of Israel,' writes Nina Shea, the Center's director. In addition, they 'instill contempt for America because the United States is ruled by legislated civil law rather than by totalitarian Wahhabi-style Islamic law.' ... In his State of the Union speech, President Bush exhorted the Saudis to encourage democracy in the Middle East. He should also put intense pressure on them to stop fomenting hate within our borders. It jeopardizes our security and is an insult to our tradition of freedom of religious expression. It flies in the face of everything we hold true." --Chicago Sun-Times
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Every religion goes through/has gone through this phase. Christians, Jews, Hindus, it's all part of the religion stew. Another reason I choose to mark 'N/A' in that part of the forms.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Every religion goes through/has gone through this phase. Christians, Jews, Hindus, it's all part of the religion stew. Another reason I choose to mark 'N/A' in that part of the forms.
Seems to me they have had a few thousand years to get it out of there systems!
Shut them down and deport em .
It may not be fair it may not be right but it is the only way to make sure!
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It's their religion. They are free to think a purple walrus will spring from their arses if the evil elf king of Chicago eats one more Zagnut bar, and the mystical snot drizzle will rain down upon the righteous as they dance in jello singing old Kim Carnes tunes.
We (America) FIGHT for the right to be an idiot if you wanna. Sorta one of them "founding principles" things. They can think what they want, as long as they don't act on such stupid, idiotic, moronic concepts.
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Actually I am pretty sure the Prophet HyIwanadooya changed the evil entity of consumption to a Snickers Bar, cuz the sale of coconuts in the muslim southeast asian part of the world was tanking due to the fear of Zagnut bars...
Get your facts straight before you denounce our evil king here in Chi-town
NwBie
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Originally posted by WMLute
It's their religion. They are free to think a purple walrus will spring from their arses if the evil elf king of Chicago eats one more Zagnut bar, and the mystical snot drizzle will rain down upon the righteous as they dance in jello singing old Kim Carnes tunes.
We (America) FIGHT for the right to be an idiot if you wanna. Sorta one of them "founding principles" things. They can think what they want, as long as they don't act on such stupid, idiotic, moronic concepts.
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Originally posted by Nwbie
Actually I am pretty sure the Prophet HyIwanadooya changed the evil entity of consumption to a Snickers Bar, cuz the sale of coconuts in the muslim southeast asian part of the world was tanking due to the fear of Zagnut bars...
Get your facts straight before you denounce our evil king here in Chi-town
NwBie
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Heresy! BURN HIM!
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Every religion goes through/has gone through this phase. Christians, Jews, Hindus, it's all part of the religion stew. Another reason I choose to mark 'N/A' in that part of the forms.
"Joe, you ought to start a religion yourself," said Hagbard.
"Why?"
"Because you are so skeptical."
:D
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Originally posted by Pei
Heresy! BURN HIM!
Yes... but how do you know she's a witch?
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She turned me into a newt!
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Originally posted by SOB
She turned me into a newt!
It got better
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Originally posted by WMLute
It's their religion. They are free to think a purple walrus will spring from their arses if the evil elf king of Chicago eats one more Zagnut bar, and the mystical snot drizzle will rain down upon the righteous as they dance in jello singing old Kim Carnes tunes.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Every religion goes through/has gone through this phase. Christians, Jews, Hindus, it's all part of the religion stew. Another reason I choose to mark 'N/A' in that part of the forms.
Errm nope, the Buddhists haven't and its unlikely they ever will.
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It's an insult to Buddhism or the Taoist philosophy to be called 'religions.'
Spirituality is not religion. It is and should always be private.
but thats me.
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you are stupid.
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someone shat your flakes?
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Don't hold back nuke. I love you too!
Have anything relevant to add?
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Originally posted by Octavius
Don't hold back nuke. I love you too!
Have anything relevant to add?
yes.
You are relativly stupid compaired to 95% of everyone else who posts here.
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Ya know... In winter, there's less daylight, and that can really wreak havoc on one's emotional stability.
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Originally posted by NUKE
yes.
You are relativly stupid compaired to 95% of everyone else who posts here.
Did I injure your fragile mind in some far away thread? =]
relatively*
compared*
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Aren't the Japanese Buddists? They had a few suicide bombers of their own I think!
Basicaly religion is nowt but an excuse for war mongering. Christian Bush against the Muslim world and visa versa.
Politics an excuse for war mongering too. Communism versus Capitalism versus Facism etc.
MMMM best stay in bed and not get involved at all.
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Methinks "Tim" has never been a muslim but a right wing fanatic wacko. ;)
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Correct and Buddhism is not a religion.
Most Japanese claim to be Buddhist or nonreligious, followed by Shinto, but "Japanese Buddhism" is not Buddhism - it is a strange, twisted, commercialized version.
I won't get into it all since this is a 100-words-or-less forum, but an example would be the Japanese version claiming the need for the deceased to be given a different name, contrary to the teachings of Buddhism.
The more money the family gives to the local monk, the 'better' name the monk will give to the deceased. About $4,000 will get you a pretty good name.
Actually, Japan is about as nonreligious a nation as there is in the world. Nobody asks, nobody cares, nobody talks about it, nobody thinks about it, nobody says theirs is better then yours... except foreigners.
Kamikaze didn't do it to follow a religious belief. Most were scared kids who didn't want to die, but were ordered to do it. Group pressure has always been a powerful (and many times evil) reason for actions. Just look at the horde on squad nights. :)
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Originally posted by Rolex
Correct and Buddhism is not a religion.
Most Japanese claim to be Buddhist or nonreligious, followed by Shinto, but "Japanese Buddhism" is not Buddhism - it is a strange, twisted, commercialized version.
I won't get into it all since this is a 100-words-or-less forum, but an example would be the Japanese version claiming the need for the deceased to be given a different name, contrary to the teachings of Buddhism.
The more money the family gives to the local monk, the 'better' name the monk will give to the deceased. About $4,000 will get you a pretty good name.
Actually, Japan is about as nonreligious a nation as there is in the world. Nobody asks, nobody cares, nobody talks about it, nobody thinks about it, nobody says theirs is better then yours... except foreigners.
Kamikaze didn't do it to follow a religious belief. Most were scared kids who didn't want to die, but were ordered to do it. Group pressure has always been a powerful (and many times evil) reason for actions. Just look at the horde on squad nights. :)
Bingo, Absolutely right on the mark!
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So Kamikaze pilots were scared kids. I wonder if there are any scared Palistinian kids? Maybe they are not all as fundamentaly brainwashed as our western media makes out. Or then again maybe they are just desperate! Living in ghettos can't be too nice!!!!
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That wahabi stuff is good when mixed with soy sauce! MMMmmmm!
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Originally posted by Rolex
Correct and Buddhism is not a religion.
Yes it is:
Religion: A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
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I suppose it depends on the definition of religion, Vulcan. Not all dictionaries or scholars (including religious scholars) agree on that definition. Many use the 'scripture' test, or the 'higher being/God/gods' test - neither of which Buddhism passes. Buddhists call their belief a philosophy, not a religion.
Others may define it as a religion because they don't know what it is, or may even have an agenda to include all those people into the 'religious' column. Some Buddhists will simply say that the are Buddhists when asked or surveyed of their religion because the alternative is to be labeled a heathen, Godless animal.
Anyway, this is sidetracking the topic and I'm not a Buddhist or evangelist for any religion or philosophy. Just some food for thought...
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Originally posted by Rolex
I suppose it depends on the definition of religion, Vulcan. Not all dictionaries or scholars (including religious scholars) agree on that definition. Many use the 'scripture' test, or the 'higher being/God/gods' test - neither of which Buddhism passes. Buddhists call their belief a philosophy, not a religion.
Others may define it as a religion because they don't know what it is, or may even have an agenda to include all those people into the 'religious' column. Some Buddhists will simply say that the are Buddhists when asked or surveyed of their religion because the alternative is to be labeled a heathen, Godless animal.
Anyway, this is sidetracking the topic and I'm not a Buddhist or evangelist for any religion or philosophy. Just some food for thought...
Errmm, well given Buddhism's goal is to an enlightened or higher being, that to me is a religion. Also Buddhists worship Buddha as much as Christians worship Christ.
Scholars - shmolars - I bet the "scholars" that say Buddhism isn't a religion have never set foot in a Wat.
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I was under the impression buddhists concerned themselves only with themselves... unity, etc. I have never heard of buddhists congregating for worship of the buddha. If that exists, then I think they missed the mark.
"Heal me buddha!"
I am not going to argue what buddhism "really is," because that goes against my stance on keeping spirituality private and personal. All statements are relative.
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Originally posted by Octavius
I was under the impression buddhists concerned themselves only with themselves... unity, etc. I have never heard of buddhists congregating for worship of the buddha. If that exists, then I think they missed the mark.
"Heal me buddha!"
I am not going to argue what buddhism "really is," because that goes against my stance on keeping spirituality private and personal. All statements are relative.
Sorry Oct then your impression is wrong. Buddhists regularly go to their Wat to pray to Buddha, give offerings to both Buddha and the monks, and listen to prayers (I think thats what you'd call them) recited by the monks.
Generally speaking however, they don't pray for the same things, its mostly guidance, and they're not into the miracle stuff you find in Christianity (the average Buddhist thinks the Christians are a little kooky with the walking on water and water to wine stuff). The attendence of prayers at the Wat is more concerned at being a good person and showing your support of the monks, as well as a community meeting place.
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So it's a community support sort of thing. Works for me. The goal is enlightenment, unity, yes... individual enlightenment or the enlightening others? It still ultimately remains personal in the end. I'm going on with this because I disagree with the symantics really :) My definition of the term religion lies in another realm completely outside of personal spirituality.
Get the goose out of the bottle. zen riddles, fun stuff.