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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: NUKE on February 09, 2005, 10:19:33 PM
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They have always been the suck. A backwards, evil society.
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If someone does something stupid on purpose for pleasure, Is this wrong or foolish? If someone doesnt find it funny and belittles them by calling them stupid.... Who is the real stupid one?
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I wouldn't say backwards... They did orbit first, Tchikovsky, Rachmaninov, wrote wonderful music, Sikorsky began his avaition career there, and they did produce exquisite jeweled eggs.
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The USSR is responsible for more death and misery than any nation since Germany.
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:rolleyes:
Okay, fine. What do you propose, Nuke?
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I am pleased to announce that I've just signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. The bombing begins in 5 minutes.
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I propose a toast.
A toast to all the brave men and women who stood up,fought against and defeated the evil USSR.
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Originally posted by NUKE
I propose a toast.
I like toast, particularly rye.
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Originally posted by NUKE
The USSR is responsible for more death and misery than any nation since Germany.
Actually they are just as responsible for WW2 as the Germans, remember they started it together as allies with their joint attack on Poland in 1939...
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(http://www.albanesi.it/Alimentazione/cibi/toast.JPG)
cheers! (clink)
(note: no disrespect to our armed services was either meant or implied by this comedic response to a very sentimental and emotional gesture.) (then again...if i were british and had a sitcom this would be quite funny...but since i am an american and there is EVIL in the world that must be defeated at all costs, i am probably not...therefore, i appeal to your pre 9/11 sense of humor and beg of you to disregard what is most certainly not funny gesture made in response to nuke, who may or may not be drinking this evening and may or may not be looking to start a troll.)
:)
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Jb88, the cancer. What a brainless idiot.
JB88 is a cancer to this BBS. Jello for brains and plenty of time on his hands..... a deadly combination.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Actually they are just as responsible for WW2 as the Germans, remember they started it together as allies with their joint attack on Poland in 1939...
You mean AFTER Germany divied up Poland? Or the time the Red Army stalled and allowed the retreating Nazi's slaughter even more Poles? Stalin killed at least 20 million of his own people.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
You mean AFTER Germany divied up Poland? Or the time the Red Army stalled and allowed the retreating Nazi's slaughter even more Poles? Stalin killed at least 20 million of his own people.
Karaya
No, I mean they attacked Poland together in September 1939 per their pre-war agreement. Germany from the west and the Red Army from the east. They then divided Poland in two.
Germany and the USSR were allies at the satrt of WW2...
Didn't you know that?
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Somebody is badmouthing Stalin...
(http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/news/images/a/Andrew_WK/sq-i-am-yelling-dellmtv.jpg)
Boroda! Boroda!
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:rofl
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Originally posted by NUKE
I propose a toast.
A toast to all the brave men and women who stood up,fought against and defeated the evil USSR.
it wasnt defeated, it imploded on its own stupidity...it wasnt defeated
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Originally posted by NUKE
Jb88, the cancer. What a brainless idiot.
JB88 is a cancer to this BBS. Jello for brains and plenty of time on his hands..... a deadly combination.
He's more colorful than you'll ever be. Nuke, you need to relax.. have a J or something. :cool:
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
No, I mean they attacked Poland together in September 1939 per their pre-war agreement. Germany from the west and the Red Army from the east. They then divided Poland in two.
Germany and the USSR were allies at the satrt of WW2...
Didn't you know that?
Russia and Germany were allies....then when Germany attacked the USSR, they cried like babies for a "second" front.
I'd have been happy if the USSR was destroyed by Germany. Two evil, messed upped societies.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
No, I mean they attacked Poland together in September 1939 per their pre-war agreement. Germany from the west and the Red Army from the east. They then divided Poland in two.
Germany and the USSR were allies at the satrt of WW2...
Didn't you know that?
I was being sarcastic GRUN. Relax. No need to get "huffy".
Karaya
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Originally posted by Octavius
He's more colorful than you'll ever be. Nuke, you need to relax.. have a J or something. :cool:
guess what? You are not interesting to me.
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Well I must be doing something right; I keep getting replies from you! :)
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Originally posted by NUKE
Russia and Germany were allies....then when Germany attacked the USSR, they cried like babies for a "second" front.
I'd have been happy if the USSR was destroyed by Germany. Two evil, messed upped societies.
Did you have too much to drink? Relax would ya....
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You can count on one hand the replies I have given you. You are a brain dead idiot who cannot offer an original thought.
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Originally posted by Russian
Did you have too much to drink? Relax would ya....
Are you telling me that I'm incorrect?
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Originally posted by NUKE
You can count on one hand the replies I have given you. You are a brain dead idiot who cannot offer an original thought.
I'll have you know that Octavius is the foremost expert in the Field of "Fountainology".
Karaya
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"Evil Russia" is an original thought?
It's not even like you wanted to (yawn) discuss it.
It was just "blah! now do something about it."
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Originally posted by Nash
"Evil Russia" is an original thought?
It's not even like you wanted to (yawn) discuss it.
It was just "blah! now do something about it."
STOP posting this stuff! I'm laughing my ****ing a** off.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I was being sarcastic GRUN. Relax. No need to get "huffy".
Karaya
Hmm, didnt sense the sarcasm, it just came across that you confused one of the USSRs kind humanbitarian acts with another, after all there were so many..
;)
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Originally posted by Nash
"Evil Russia" is an original thought?
No, everyone knows Russia is evil.....not original at all. I never claimed that this was an original thought.
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Originally posted by vorticon
it wasnt defeated, it imploded on its own stupidity...it wasnt defeated
lol!
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Nuke - choose love.
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Nuke,
Have you been to Russia? Or are these educated generalizations of yours?
Ya know, it doesn't even matter - and I don't care if you are a squaddie - but if you mean everything you say (because if you write it, it does tend to be rather perminent) - then you are a sad, ignorant moron.
Respectfully,
Wolf
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Find Love.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Find Love.
You have to choose it first. Or, good luck finding it....
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lol! He's not drunk 88. Just a typical fool who chooses ignorance. =]
aw, you deleted it
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Originally posted by Wolfala
Nuke,
Have you been to Russia? Or are these educated generalizations of yours?
Ya know, it doesn't even matter - and I don't care if you are a squaddie - but if you mean everything you say (because if you write it, it does tend to be rather perminent) - then you are a sad, ignorant moron.
Respectfully,
Wolf
well, have you been to Ethiopia? If not, you are a sad ignorant moron.
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Originally posted by Octavius
lol! He's not drunk 88. Just a typical fool who chooses ignorance. =]
aw, you deleted it
yeah, I choose to be ignorant of Russia's murderous history. :lol
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what this?
(http://www.6v6gt.com/humor/drunk%20xing.jpg)
it was really more of an asthetic choice than anything else.
:)
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88 - The rule is... If you make a post you hate and you get back to it in time to delete it, you can do so IF nobody has posted after you. If someone responds to your post, you just gotta ride it out for better or for worse.
Hello, and welcome to the AH BBS. I am your host, Nash Stardust, and for the next half hour we will be witnessing some of the most....
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lol Nash
I could never hate you.
JB88 is a moron.
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thought i had.
alas... i still think i could have found a better picture.
i have only myself to blame.
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Originally posted by Nash
88 - The rule is... If you make a post you hate and you get back to it in time to delete it, you can do so IF nobody has posted after you. If someone responds to your post, you just gotta ride it out for better or for worse.
Hello, and welcome to the AH BBS. I am your host, Nash Stardust, and for the next half hour we will be witnessing some of the most....
Nash, you fugged up your own rule. You deleted a post about John Lennon's "Across The Univers" lyrics.
You suk.
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Originally posted by NUKE
lol Nash
I could never hate you.
JB88 is a moron.
perhaps your just mad cuz i didnt join your squad. sorry nuke. im taken.
Originally posted by NUKE
Would be neat to form a squad with:
patrone, Nash, Gscholz, JB88, rpm, Straffo, lada, laz, beetle, boroda, Martlet, Gunslinger, myself and others ( sorry if I didn't mention you) who frequent the BBS here.
It's just a pipe dream perhapse, but wouldn't that be cool to fly with the people who post here, and even dissagree here?
I bet we would all be friends afterwards. We could all have vox and probably have a blast.
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Originally posted by NUKE
JB88 is a moron.
Easy...
What's up with you the last few days anyways?
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Nuke,
Unlike you, I have been to Russia.
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I've been to Cancun
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Originally posted by Wolfala
Nuke,
Unlike you, I have been to Russia.
So you have been to Russia? Congrats!
Now, how does that change Russia's murderous history?
And *** the squad.....if you are gonna be stupid I'll leave.....no biggie.
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Russians = bad!
BAD RUSSIANS BAD BAD!
Just like there are stupid Americans (like a certain poster here who's name starts with N, and ends with E, and rhymes with PUKE), there are stupid Russians.
People are the same everywhere. Your average American would have a lot in common with your average Russian, or German, or Saudi Arabian, or .
Governments take on "macro" characteristics, not individuals.
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I LIKE BLACK RUSSIANS!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by NUKE
I propose a toast.
A toast to all the brave men and women who stood up,fought against and defeated the evil USSR.
ULOVEOBL
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they attacked Poland together in September 1939 per their pre-war agreement. Germany from the west and the Red Army from the east. They then divided Poland in two.
And what did our American cousins who are so big and tough do at the time?
NOTHING MUCH!
Left it to the French, who they now seem to have issues with and us plucky Brit, to deal with the situation.
Ok so then after a couple of years those pesky Japanese helped make your mind up by seriously embaressing you into a war.
And before you have a go, I do agree it was a case of better late than never of course. Your help was and still is much appreciated.
:aok thanks!
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On average you should think people are the same.
Food for thought:
When Stalin came to power he executed all his political adversaries. Not only that, he executed the leading military brain of the army. As if that wasn't enough, he executed most of the intellectual society of the country, some (read the smartest) were fortunate to escape the country before that though.
What does that leave the country with? Non intellectual fearful peasants who were subjected to substandard quality of living and rampant thievery.
The average gene-pool of the country was wiped clean of intellect.
The result we can sadly witness today.
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So you say it's America's fault that nazi germany and ussr decided to invade poland together...
I fact exactly what do you think the usa did or did not do in the 1930s contribited to the nazis and copmmies joining up to inavde poland in September 1939...
Do tell...
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No not their fault just saying that we were left to go it alone whilst you guys made up your minds. We're pretty proud that we took em on alone over here you know. I think our grandfathers earned that pride. And you might note how my last post ended before you get on your "I'm so clever, high horse!"
;)
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Yea, but what you wrote is compltely irrelevant to the topic of the ussr joing germany.
In fact your whole post was you getting up on your high horse...
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Originally posted by Yeager
I LIKE BLACK RUSSIANS!!!!!!!
There are black russians?
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Vodka and something I want to say... Kahlua maybe.
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Black Russian: 50/50 Vodka and Coffee liqueur.
White Russian: same but add milk and ice.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Somebody is badmouthing Stalin...
(http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/news/images/a/Andrew_WK/sq-i-am-yelling-dellmtv.jpg)
Boroda! Boroda!
:rofl :rofl
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This thread strter clearly proves that the % of morons is about the same in every country.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
On average you should think people are the same.
Food for thought:
When Stalin came to power he executed all his political adversaries. Not only that, he executed the leading military brain of the army. As if that wasn't enough, he executed most of the intellectual society of the country, some (read the smartest) were fortunate to escape the country before that though.
What does that leave the country with? Non intellectual fearful peasants who were subjected to substandard quality of living and rampant thievery.
The average gene-pool of the country was wiped clean of intellect.
The result we can sadly witness today.
I wonder what gene pool are Americans from?
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Originally posted by NUKE
USSR and Russia
They have always been the suck. A backwards, evil society.
Nuke,
You okay, man?
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Originally posted by Zulu7
And what did our American cousins who are so big and tough do at the time?
NOTHING MUCH!
Left it to the French, who they now seem to have issues with and us plucky Brit, to deal with the situation.
Ok so then after a couple of years those pesky Japanese helped make your mind up by seriously embaressing you into a war.
And before you have a go, I do agree it was a case of better late than never of course. Your help was and still is much appreciated.
:aok thanks!
Cool, another on the "Blame America Bandwagon". Not America's fault that Neville Chamberlain got drunk with Hitler and "dodged" the problem at the time, instead of dealing with it.
Karaya
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I wonder what gene pool are Americans from?
The polemic answer would be: The mentaly retarded and relegious extremists that were nolonger welcome in good old europe around the 15-17th century.
But hey most here will have a bit more reflective thinking than Nuke.
Just a short sidenote: By far the most aggressive state in history are the United States of America. In just over 300 years of existence they started and waged more wars alone than evil germany & russia together.
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Originally posted by Naudet
The polemic answer would be: The mentaly retarded and relegious extremists that were nolonger welcome in good old europe around the 15-17th century.
Just a short sidenote: By far the most aggressive state in history are the United States of America. In just over 300 years of existence they started and waged more wars alone than evil germany & russia together.
History 101 test questions:
How many times have France and England fought each other?
How many settlers arrived in the new world in the 15th century?
Math 101 test question:
2005 - 1776 = Less than or more than 300?
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This is the most retarded threat ever.
Did Nuke implode already ? Hasn't posted in a while...
Predition: before this post dies, Nuke will post "I was just fishing/trolling" type of defence :D
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I wonder what gene pool are Americans from?
The gene pool of the brave and adventurous europeans who left out to find a spice route to India. Merchants.
Some native american and most definately mexican blood in there too. Well, include japanese and chinese.. and then some.
So, the first americans were risky adventurous money hungry merchants who traveled around the globe in search of more money. The indigenous population was just a slowdown in the way, they had to go. Has anything changed?
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are europeans really so stupid or did this bsb get a bad sample?
:cool:
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
The gene pool of the brave and adventurous europeans who left out to find a spice route to India. Merchants.
Some native american and most definately mexican blood in there too. Well, include japanese and chinese.. and then some.
So, the first americans were risky adventurous money hungry merchants who traveled around the globe in search of more money. The indigenous population was just a slowdown in the way, they had to go. Has anything changed?
This is the Voice Of America, broadcasting from Europe :rolleyes:
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Thank you, guys!
I have to say it again: we don't take offences from people offended by god.
I am happy to see that majority of the people here are sane and friendly. Salute! Your health! ;)
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I've been to Freeport once.
That was cool, er actually it was pretty dam hot, but thats beside the point.
I felt FREE, really FREE.
Well, not really free as I wasn't sportin a speedo or nuttin. No, no thong.
So, I felt FREE, but still somewhat inhibited.
Did I mention I've been to Freeport once...
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Originally posted by Zulu7
And what did our American cousins who are so big and tough do at the time?
NOTHING MUCH!
True. There are reasons for that. Primarily a reluctance to get involved in recurrent European butchery after our experience in WW1 which really wasn't our fight at all either.
Here, you may find this enlightening:
Neutrality Acts 1935-1941 (http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2Timeline/neutralityacts.html)
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Originally posted by NUKE
I propose a toast.
A toast to all the brave men and women who stood up,fought against and defeated the evil USSR.
Poor thing, you are actually toasting to disintegration of the United States of America.
Such blockheads are distracted by far away Russia so that they don't see how their own country is being stolen from under their noses.
Wake up, dump ace ! And boogy ! :( :( :(
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
History 101 test questions:
How many times have France and England fought each other?
How many settlers arrived in the new world in the 15th century?
Math 101 test question:
2005 - 1776 = Less than or more than 300?
1)too many to count lol
2) Jamestown formed in 1607~17th century 1st english settlement in New World 1st spanish 1526~ French Mid 1500's...so Zero permament settlers in the 15th century.
3) less
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Actually they are just as responsible for WW2 as the Germans, remember they started it together as allies with their joint attack on Poland in 1939...
GRUN,
why are you trying to rewrite the history ?
You don't like Russians, it's your problem.
But why are you including in your posts the old lies of anti-Soviet propaganda ?
Wake-up ! There's no USSR anymore.
Even Polish leaders in 1939 accepted the fact that the Red Army was regaining the ethnic territories of western Belorussia and western Ukraine (to the east from Lord Curson's line of ethnic boundaries) which had been captured by Poland in 1920.
And there were no {German-Soviet}"joint attack on Poland in 1939".
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Originally posted by genozaur
GRUN,
why are you trying to rewrite the history ?
You don't like Russians, it's your problem.
But why are you including in your posts the old lies of anti-Soviet propaganda ?
LOL!
Don't you live in America? wtf??? Russia did invade Poland and they where allies with Germany.
Do you even have a brain?
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Originally posted by genozaur
Even Polish leaders in 1939 accepted the fact that the Red Army was regaining the ethnic territories of western Belorussia and western Ukraine (to the east from Lord Curson's line of ethnic boundaries) which had been captured by Poland in 1920.
And there were no {German-Soviet}"joint attack on Poland in 1939".
The Poles never "accepted" any fact. You are out of you league in this aspect. Read more on Polish history.
Poland was divided in half prior to Operation Barbarossa. You think the Germans AND Soviets were having PICNICS with the Poles? Come on man, put the glass d*** down.
Karaya
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Originally posted by stiehl
There are black russians?
There are some black Russians (very few though) in big cities like Moscow and St. Petersburg. Several black Russians are celebrities in Moscow.
But the best known 'black' Russian is still the famous poet and writer of XIX century, 'the father' of modern Russian language Aleksandr Pushkin whose grand grandfather was an Ethiopian prince who took the name Hannibal and later achieved the rank of field marshal in Russian service. :aok
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Originally posted by genozaur
... replied ...
(http://www.vancouverislandabound.com/photos/fishingrod.gif)
reel him in!
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Originally posted by GScholz
This is technically correct, but in reality Hitler and Stalin divided Poland between them like a cake.
17 September 1939 the Soviet Union invaded Poland. Losing 3.379 men in the process.
Poland was by then a beaten nation having crumbled under the massive German invasion of 1st September.
Technically you are correct to some extend, because the agreement between Hitler and Stalin was changed after desintegration of Poland in such a way by the shrewd comrade Stalin (former Komissar on affairs of nationalities in Lenin's government) that the only territories the USSR gained were the ethnic Belorussian and Ukrainian lands.
And also, besides of the fact of "agression" against the territories of western Belorussia and western Ukraine, the Red Army took 454,700 Poles (soldiers,officers, and irregulars) prisoners of war. Also an interesting fact is that the Red Army captured up to 300 Polish military aircraft.
And, as far as I know, the state of war between Poland and the USSR was proclaimed in the radio address by the head of emigre Polish government Sikorsky on March 1, 1940 (for what purpose ?).
And now we have 15,131 Polish army officers and policemen shot in Katyn forest and 7,305 Polish prisoners shot in jails in western Belorussia and western Ukraine in spring of 1940.
We don't count, of course, about 60 thousand Soviet prisoners of war who died in 1919-1921 in Polish consentration camps.
I also have three questions to ask.
1) Does the number 3,379 is KIA and include those (not really many) who died from German fire ?
2) How many German troops were KIA in Poland ?
3) How many Polish planes did the German army capture ?
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
The Poles never "accepted" any fact. You are out of you league in this aspect. Read more on Polish history.
Poland was divided in half prior to Operation Barbarossa. You think the Germans AND Soviets were having PICNICS with the Poles? Come on man, put the glass d*** down.
Karaya
About 23:40, September 17, 1939 the order by the commander-in-chief of the Polish army Rydz-Smigly was transmitted over the radio : {quote} The Soviets invaded. I order the retreat to Romania and Hungary through the shortest routes. Against the Soviets the military actions are not to be taken, with the exception when they attempt to disarm our units. The task for Warsaw and Modlin, which have to be defending from the Germans, stays the same. The units approached by the Soviets must conduct the negotiations with them with the purpose to withdraw the garrizons to Romania or Hungary . {end of quote} The border guard units and the army units on Romanian border were ordered to continue the resistance.
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Originally posted by NUKE
LOL!
Don't you live in America? wtf??? Russia did invade Poland and they where allies with Germany.
Do you even have a brain?
I don't need a brain in order to figure out that it was not "Russia" who started the WWII.
Any brainless person knows that the Nazi Germany started the WWII. :D
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Originally posted by NUKE
Russia and Germany were allies....then when Germany attacked the USSR, they cried like babies for a "second" front.
I'd have been happy if the USSR was destroyed by Germany. Two evil, messed upped societies.
Nuke me, NUKE.
I'm a senior leutenant of the Soviet Army,reserve.
But you have to be smart as a smart bomb, because I dwell in Brooklyn, NY. :rofl
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Originally posted by Despair
I wonder what gene pool are Americans from?
Native Americans are from the Central Asia just as my savir (sabir) ancestors.
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C'mon comrade Nuke have another vodka and we can sing (http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian/lyrics/political/sovnat1.wav) it together!
Unbreakable Union of freeborn Republics,
Great Russia has welded forever to stand.
Created in struggle by will of the people,
United and mighty, our Soviet land!
Sing to the Motherland, home of the free,
Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
To Communism's triumph lead us on!
Through tempests the sunrays of freedom have cheered us,
Along the new path where great Lenin did lead.
To a righteous cause he raised up the peoples,
Inspired them to labor and valorous deed.
Or, the old way: Be true to the people, thus Stalin has reared us,
Inspire us to labor and valorous deed!
Sing to the Motherland, home of the free,
Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
To Communism's triumph lead us on!
In the victory of Communism's deathless ideal,
We see the future of our dear land.
And to her fluttering scarlet banner,
Selflessly true we always shall stand!
And then we can toast to the greatest hero of the soviet union!!
(http://images.art.com/images/products/large/10102000/10102118.jpg)
Tronsky
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Originally posted by genozaur
Even Polish leaders in 1939 accepted the fact that the Red Army was regaining the ethnic territories of western Belorussia and western Ukraine (to the east from Lord Curson's line of ethnic boundaries) which had been captured by Poland in 1920.
And there were no {German-Soviet}"joint attack on Poland in 1939".
Stop Ttrolling please.
Especially when speaking of the "ethnic" boundary.
Wtf were the "Ethnic" boundary for USSR ?
Except a reason to use the "Great Russia" myth for war monger ?
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Originally posted by GScholz
"The Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact
In 1939, Hitler was preparing for war. Though he was hoping to acquire Poland without force (as he had annexed Austria the year before), Hitler was planning against the possibility of a two front war. Since fighting a two front war in World War I had split Germany's forces, it had weakened and undermined their offensive; thus, played a large role in Germany losing the First World War. Hitler was determined not to repeat the same mistakes. So, he planned ahead and made a pact with the Soviets - the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact.
The Two Sides Meet
On August 14, 1939, German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop contacted the Soviets to arrange a deal. Ribbentrop met with the Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov in Moscow and together they arranged two pacts - the economic agreement and the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact.
The Economic Agreement
The first pact was an economic agreement, which Ribbentrop and Molotov signed on August 19, 1939.
The economic agreement committed the Soviet Union to provide food products as well as raw materials to Germany in exchange for furnished products such as machinery from Germany.
During the first years of the war, this economic agreement helped Germany bypass the British blockade.
The Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact
On August 23, 1939, four days after the economic agreement was signed and a little over a week before the beginning of World War II, Ribbentrop and Molotov signed the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact. (The pact is also referred to as the German-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact and the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact.)
Publicly, this agreement stated that the two countries - Germany and the Soviet Union - would not attack each other. If there were ever a problem between the two countries, it was to be handled amicably. The pact was supposed to last for ten years; it lasted for less than two.
What was meant by the terms of the pact was that if Germany attacked Poland, then the Soviet Union would not come to its aid. Thus, if Germany went to war against the West (especially France and Great Britain) over Poland, the Soviets were guaranteeing that they would not enter the war; thus not open a second front for Germany.
In addition to this agreement, Ribbentrop and Molotov added a secret protocol onto the pact - a secret addendum whose existence was denied by the Soviets until 1989.
The Secret Protocol
The secret protocol held an agreement between the Nazis and Soviets that greatly affected Eastern Europe. For the Soviets for agreeing to not join the possible future war, Germany was giving the Soviets the Baltic States (Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania). Poland was also to be divided between the two - along the Narew, Vistula, and San rivers.
The new territories gave the Soviet Union the buffer (in land) that it wanted to feel safe from an invasion from the West. It would need that buffer in 1941.
Impacts of the Pact
When the Nazis attacked Poland in the morning on September 1, 1939, the Soviets stood by and watched. Two days later, the British declared war on Germany and World War II had begun. On September 17, the Soviets rolled into eastern Poland to occupy their "sphere of influence" designated in the secret protocol.
Because of the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact, the Soviets did not join the fight against Germany, thus Germany was successful it its attempt to safeguard itself from a two-front war.
The Nazis and the Soviets kept the terms of the pact and the protocol until Germany's surprise attack and invasion of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941."
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/aa072699.htm
GS, all the above is correct except for the last statement of yours. The protocol was changed several times in September and October 1939. The first change was Hitler's decision on September 20, 1939 to alter the demarkation line between the German and Soviet forces. On the same day Molotov voiced the Soviet position concerning the changed demarkation line and offered the Moscow variant of the Soviet-German communiqe on the Soviet-German demarkation line in Poland. The Soviet proposal was accepted by the German side.
The new demarkation line was established on September 28, 1939 after the second round of talks in Moscow between Ribbentrop, Stalin and Molotov. On September 29, 1939 both sides signed the 'agreement on friendship and the border line between the USSR and Germany' and several protocols. According to this agreement there was established the border "between the mutual states' interests on the territory of former Polish state". Later on (October 4,1939) one more protocol was added (the description of the border line between river Igorka and Uzhok pass).
The result of this was such that the Soviet Union gave Germany all the ethnic Polish territories (Lublin region and part of Warsaw region) in exchange of including Lithuania in the Soviet 'sphere of interests'.
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Originally posted by straffo
Stop Ttrolling please.
Especially when speaking of the "ethnic" boundary.
Wtf were the "Ethnic" boundary for USSR ?
Except a reason to use the "Great Russia" myth for war monger ?
Straffo, you are an uneducated frog-lover.
The 'ethnic boundary' we are talking about was recommended by the British government and is known in history as the (Lord)' Curson line' presented to the Soviet government in the form of an ultimatum in late teens or early twenties of the XX century.
Here we are again, a frog-lover accusing the respected English gentlemen of trolling. :rofl :aok
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genozaur,
How much would it cost for you to move back to your great country of origin?
I'd be willing to help pay for your one way trip back. My email is in my profile.
I'll help pay for you trip back to your miserable country of origin if you'd like.
Email me and let's get you back to your homeland, where everything is grand.
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Originally posted by NUKE
genozaur,
How much would it cost for you to move back to your great country of origin?
I'd be willing to help pay for your one way trip back. My email is in my profile.
I'll help pay for you trip back to your miserable country of origin if you'd like.
Email me and let's get you back to your homeland, where everything is grand.
Nuke, I understand that you were really paissed off when your Russian girl-friend rejected you on the Valentain's day. But you are channelling your anger into the wrong tunnel. Maybe now you have to look at yourself in the full-size mirror.
And your generous offer to pay for my deportation is also rejected. Even communist burecrauts could not order me around, and who the freck are you to even think that you can send people out of the country just when and how it pleases you.
Nuke, you are really starting to loose it.
Stop yourself before you are gone too far.
Sincerely.
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you were really paissed off when your Russian girl-friend rejected you on the Valentain's day.
As a sidenote, NUKE lost his $3000 retainer in the process. That makes anyone angry. :D
Bush for sale (http://www.kissyou.com/1059b.htm)
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At first, let me say it again - nothing against the Russians as a people/nation nowdays :)
Now the facts, my grandba was an officer of Polish Army in 1939. Once Germans (Nazi, but still Germans) attacked, he stationed on our eastern border and wes kept there, because "we" suspected that Soviets could attack... and it happened. He fought with the Soviets (if you want to i could post the battles he fought in and so on, but that's not the point i think) by days and finally he was captured. He someways managed to prove that he's not an officer, because the officers on the Polish Army, Policemen or highly edycated people were executed at once at the place where he were captured.
Then we was took to the kind of a concentration camp 40km from moscow and spent the whole winter there, with his "summer uniform"... a lot of his companion died there from hunger and cold... but he managed to survive somehow.
Then because of the agreement with Germans he was send to the Germany and worked there on a farm with British and French prisoners. On a sied note i have to tell you that he said that he was treated really good over there. After some years he escaped and returned to Poland :)
Point is that soviets INVIDED Poland and we never wanted them on our land. Same with the 1944/45. Funny thing is that while Putin been in Poland a while back, he said that Soviet Army made my country free - now that's a bull*****... i think i don't have to explain it :rolleyes:
With all respect to the Sovier Army soldiers who died here fighting with the Germans, they died not to made us free but to concuer our land, so...
Other things are Gulags, not so different from the Nazi concentration Camps... i hope i won't hear that it's a part of making my country free? :rolleyes:
That's the history and it will be painfull as long as it will not be put in all "history" books here and there.
As boroda said once - sure, but you also invided us many times durung the centuries.
Sure Boroda - it also have to be in our hisroty books (and i believe it is.. at least they teached my this in my school.
No need to say that our Allies sold us during and after the WW2 right? ;) also something to put in the books.
Anyway, if we leave the history and politicians on a side - Russia is not evil at all... or as evil as any other countries :)
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Oleg Maddox is Russian...the finest coder in the history of the human race. No Russians, no IL2. I love Russians.
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Originally posted by genozaur
Straffo, you are an uneducated frog-lover.
The 'ethnic boundary' we are talking about was recommended by the British government and is known in history as the (Lord)' Curson line' presented to the Soviet government in the form of an ultimatum in late teens or early twenties of the XX century.
Here we are again, a frog-lover accusing the respected English gentlemen of trolling. :rofl :aok
Thank for the compliment my nieculturny friend.
The Curzon line was and is still a stupidity
The border should be at least 400Km EAST of the Curzon line.
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Originally posted by Zulu7
And what did our American cousins who are so big and tough do at the time?
NOTHING MUCH!
Left it to the French, who they now seem to have issues with and us plucky Brit, to deal with the situation.
Ok so then after a couple of years those pesky Japanese helped make your mind up by seriously embaressing you into a war.
And before you have a go, I do agree it was a case of better late than never of course. Your help was and still is much appreciated.
:aok thanks!
America was trying to remain neutral, the same as Sweden and Switzerland did. If Japan hadnt attacked Pearl Harbor we just might have remained neutral throughout the war.
The other side of the coin is, we probably couldnt have mobilized and sent troops to Europe in time to help save Poland.
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And, in the spirit of the occasion:
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Heh if one coder and a videogame makes you love russians why don't you move down there and enjoy the great nation. :aok
There were thousands and thousands as foolish as you early 20th century. They were welcomed with open hands, then put to forced labour and NEVER GOT OUT.
Never trust a russian.
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Lets have a vote....which one of these OVERopinionated bastages (not everyone) has posted the most mind ****ing lamo pooor excuse for an intelligent response in this thread.
Please feel free to use quotes :D :D
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Heh if one coder and a videogame makes you love russians why don't you move down there and enjoy the great nation. :aok
There were thousands and thousands as foolish as you early 20th century. They were welcomed with open hands, then put to forced labour and NEVER GOT OUT.
Never trust a russian.
A little harsh on Russians today heh...Sins of the Father type of deal I guess. Man you guys need to get a life.
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Originally posted by Naudet
The polemic answer would be: The mentaly retarded and relegious extremists that were nolonger welcome in good old europe around the 15-17th century.
But hey most here will have a bit more reflective thinking than Nuke.
Just a short sidenote: By far the most aggressive state in history are the United States of America. In just over 300 years of existence they started and waged more wars alone than evil germany & russia together.
You mean the same tards and fanatics that came back and laid waste to Germany because they refused to behave themselves.
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Originally posted by Zulu7
No not their fault just saying that we were left to go it alone whilst you guys made up your minds. We're pretty proud that we took em on alone over here you know. I think our grandfathers earned that pride. And you might note how my last post ended before you get on your "I'm so clever, high horse!"
;)
I'm from German ancestry, my Grand Daddy was German, If it was up to me I would have declared war on England and kicked your Ass. (Again) Dude your lucky my Uncle lost the election.
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Originally posted by FuBaR
Lets have a vote....which one of these OVERopinionated bastages (not everyone) has posted the most mind ****ing lamo pooor excuse for an intelligent response in this thread.
Please feel free to use quotes :D :D
Just seems to me as soon as the conversation goes to either ww2 atrocities or jews or eurotrash or ameribashing the threads snowball way off topic. Sometimes its funny sometimes its not. They should have some kind of O'CLUB 1 liner hall o' fame.lol
They say violence never solves anything but it stopped World War 2.
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Originally posted by Zulu7
And what did our American cousins who are so big and tough do at the time?
NOTHING MUCH!
Left it to the French, who they now seem to have issues with and us plucky Brit, to deal with the situation.
Ok so then after a couple of years those pesky Japanese helped make your mind up by seriously embaressing you into a war.
And before you have a go, I do agree it was a case of better late than never of course. Your help was and still is much appreciated.
:aok thanks!
Might want to look at the front lines movement before and
after Dec 7, 1941. By middle-end of 1942, things looked much
alot better for the Allies.
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Originally posted by Naudet
The polemic answer would be: The mentaly retarded and relegious extremists that were nolonger welcome in good old europe around the 15-17th century.
But hey most here will have a bit more reflective thinking than Nuke.
Just a short sidenote: By far the most aggressive state in history are the United States of America. In just over 300 years of existence they started and waged more wars alone than evil germany & russia together.
Coming from the biggest bully nation on the block, you're a
freaking laugh riot. Oh yeah, it hasn't been 300 years yet, so
maybe we could tie your record. We only need to start two
world wars to catch up.
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MORE MORE MORE!!!!
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Originally posted by FuBaR
MORE MORE MORE!!!!
I want more too!
Some really interesting facts about "invasion" to Poland given by Genozaur, idea that soviet-Polish border must have been at Smolensk and some other things I really enjoy!
I am also surprised that the fact that Poland got a piece of Czeсhslovakia in 1938 by Munich deal and is as responsible as Germany in starting WWII completely evades minds fed by Western propaganda.
Also the story of Soviet-French-British negotiations in Moscow in August 1939 is totally unknown. The fate of Poland was clearly visible on that negotiations, because "allies" didn't have any plans of helping Poles, and arrogantly stated that they will deploy "some troops" against Germany in a matter of months (!!!), with USSR fighting Germans for Poland alone, and making it a condition nessessary for signing a treaty. They refused all Soviet attempts to organise a collective security in Europe, making USSR sign a pact with Germany. It was signed immediately after "allied" delegation left Moscow...
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Wow, I think mrblack was smarter than nuke, and quite more interesting. Says a lot doesn't it?
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Wow, I think mrblack was smarter than nuke, and quite more interesting. Says a lot doesn't it?
Why you sneaky Luxemburger you :p
Karaya
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Wow, I think mrblack was smarter than nuke, and quite more interesting. Says a lot doesn't it?
means little, coming from you. You don't agree that the USSR was responible for millions of deaths ?
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bleh
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According to latest research sponsored by Department of State - Soviets are also responsible for the crucifixion of Christ.
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Originally posted by Boroda
According to latest research sponsored by Department of State - Soviets are also responsible for the crucifixion of Christ.
Care to mention any of the latest findings on US citizens and soliders that were held in Gulags? I find it "odd" that Moscow will not open it's archives.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Care to mention any of the latest findings on US citizens and soliders that were held in Gulags? I find it "odd" that Moscow will not open it's archives.
Karaya
GScholz forgot to mention trilobites.
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Originally posted by Boroda
GScholz forgot to mention trilobites.
Didn't think you would. Morning!
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Didn't think you would. Morning!
Karaya
You see, we are open to any criticism and admit our bloody crimes. BTW, every educated person knows that peacefull, freedom-loving, intellectual and democratic Neanderthals were completely eliminated by red asian hordes of Homo Sapiens, led by bloodthirsty tyrants, starved in gu-lags and fed by borsch until they all died. At that times Soviet propaganda made false statments that Neanderthals wanted to eat Homo Sapienses without salt, but we all know that everything told by Sapiens propaganda is a lie.
It's evening here, almost 19:00 and now I am deciding if i'll have beer or brandy.
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Originally posted by Boroda
You see, we are open to any criticism and admit our bloody crimes.
Really, I would think if "admitting" was the case, why won't they open the archives? If you have "nothing to hide", what is the problem?
Karaya
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Why has no one mentioned the ammount of people who have been killed in africa? Has there not been millions of senseless killings?
Not stating any facts...this is only a question
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Originally posted by FuBaR
Why has no one mentioned the ammount of people who have been killed in africa? Has there not been millions of senseless killings?
Not stating any facts...this is only a question
Easy Fubs, ask the "UN", the "end all, be all Organization to World Peace". :lol
Karaya
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Really, I would think if "admitting" was the case, why won't they open the archives? If you have "nothing to hide", what is the problem?
Karaya
Then there's nothing to hide.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Not to mention the Soviets wiped out the dinosaurs. The bastards.
Finally, a voice of reason!
I believe the same. We had to recreate the damn things at Jurassic Park. The Russians owe us for the cost of that research.
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Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili A.K.A Josef Stalin
Born December 1879 in Gori, Georgia
he was neither Stalin or Russian but most likely a muslim. What a suprise, muslims killing none muslims.
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Originally posted by JBA
Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili A.K.A Josef Stalin
Born December 1879 in Gori, Georgia
he was neither Stalin or Russian but most likely a muslim. What a suprise, muslims killing none muslims.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=127477
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Originally posted by Boroda
vozmojno, ya ne znal bi bul li djerogiya kristan.
He still was not a Russian. Most Certainly a Caucasian, or maybe a gypsy. May not have been Muslim but that’s a moot point.
So nukes point is nonsense. He must have read a book recently and wants to exercise his new knowledge.
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Originally posted by JBA
Возможно, я не знал бы, был ли Джерогия кристан.
Должно быть так: "Возможно я не знал, была ли Грузия христианской". A little clumsy but more correct.
Frankly speaking I underestimated your knowledge of Russian and Cyrillic, what you wrote probably can't be written by translation robot. !
Originally posted by JBA
He still was not a Russian. Most Certainly a Caucasian, or maybe a gypsy. May not have been Muslim but that’s a moot point.
Stalin studied in theological seminary for two years IIRC. He was an educated Christian, and some of his texts are seriously influenced by Orthodox rhethorics.
Originally posted by JBA
So nukes point is nonsense. He must have read a book recently and wants to exercise his new knowledge.
I can recommend several Western books that give a completely different view on the pre-WWII history, but, unfortunately they are sometimes hard to read. Or maybe the translations were hard to read...
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spasba, Ya ne govaril mnoga russkoga v poclednee bpemya, Ya budu cnova skora.
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Originally posted by JBA
spasba, Ya ne govaril mnoga russkoga v poclednee bpemya, Ya budu cnova skora.
Не за что! Мне надо быть осторжнее когда я тут пишу по русски ;)
You are welcome! I have to be carefull when I write in Russian here ;)
Я наливаю рюмку коньяка, Ваше здоровье! ;)
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Originally posted by JBA
vozmojno, ya ne znal bi bul li djerogiya kristan.
He still was not a Russian. Most Certainly a Caucasian, or maybe a gypsy. May not have been Muslim but that’s a moot point.
So nukes point is nonsense. He must have read a book recently and wants to exercise his new knowledge.
Umm, I never knew Stalin was not Russian....interesting, but I also never mentioned Stalin that I recall.
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Did this thread have a purpose?
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not really. It kinda started out pretty pointess, I thought.
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Originally posted by NUKE
not really. It kinda started out pretty pointess, I thought.
Well damn.... :rolleyes:
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So let me get this straight: Stalin wasn't even Russian, Hitler was Austrian and Churchill was American?
Did the wrong countries go to war?
;)
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I had no problem with the USSR until they cheated like babies to win the Basketball gold in 1972... unforgivable.
If you'll excuse me I have to go stick more pins in my Alexander Belov doll.