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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SOB on February 11, 2005, 09:49:02 AM
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from The Statesman Journal: http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050211/STATE/502110317/1042
Beer-tax increase stumbles on no-new-taxes pledge
House Republicans say they won't sway on their promise
BY BRAD CAIN
The Associated Press
February 11, 2005
Advocates of higher beer taxes said Thursday that they think most Oregonians would be willing to pay a few cents more per glass for their favorite brew to help fund alcohol addiction programs.
But the beer tax idea went flat almost immediately, with House Speaker Karen Minnis signaling that House Republicans have no intention of bending their no-new-taxes pledge, regardless of the cause.
Further, supporters of the beer tax got into hot water with state police when they tried to hand out free beer to legislators to show them how "cheap" beer is in Oregon.
At a Capitol news conference, advocates of higher beer taxes displayed 12-packs of canned beer that sold in a grocery store for $4.99 -- a low price made possible, they said, by Oregon's low taxes.
"Cheap beer is the direct cause of our out-of-control youth alcohol abuse problems and the damage, death and violence it creates," said Howard Scaman, an Alaska activist who's now working to raise Oregon's tax.
Afterward, Scaman went to deliver the 12-packs of low-end beer to legislators' offices but was ordered to stop by Rusty Wolfe, a state police trooper assigned to the Capitol.
Wolfe said the problem with distributing beer to lawmakers' offices was that many are staffed by interns who aren't yet 21 years old -- which could leave Scaman open to charges of furnishing minors with alcohol.
Wolfe did not cite Scaman, however.
At issue in the beer tax dispute is Oregon's tax of $2.60 per 31-gallon barrel, which is the 46th lowest in the nation and which hasn't been raised since 1977.
Scaman and other advocates came to the Capitol to support a bill co-sponsored by Rep. Jackie Dingfelder, D-Portland, and Sen. Bill Morrisette, D-Springfield, to boost the beer tax by as much as $33 per barrel -- or 10 cents for a 12-ounce bottle.
The increase could raise an estimated $150 million for prevention and treatment of alcohol and drug addiction.
Noting the no-new-taxes environment that pervades the Capitol, the two legislators prefer to call their plan a "cost recovery fee."
"It's not so much a tax as an attempt to collect a long-past-due bill from the beer industry from some of the problems associated with its products," Morrisette said.
To keep from financially harming Oregon's growing microbrew industry, the beer tax would amount to a nickel-a-drink increase on beers produced by small breweries, which would include all Oregon-based breweries.
But beer industry lobbyist Paul Romain, who's persuaded lawmakers to kill previous beer tax increases, said all beer drinkers shouldn't be saddled with higher prices to help a relatively small number of problem drinkers.
" 'Cheap beer is the direct cause of our out-of-control youth alcohol abuse problems and the damage, death and violence it creates,' said Howard Scaman, an Alaska activist who's now working to raise Oregon's tax.
I think this guy is on to something. Hell, if we just add $100,000 tax to each barrel, we could probably wipe out 99.9999% of alcoholism in this country!
And thanks to our state senate, for taking a deviation from their standard course of late, and NOT voting in a stupid proposal.
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That post has Falstaff written all over it.
Karaya
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"It's not so much a tax as an attempt to collect a long-past-due bill from the beer industry from some of the problems associated with its products," Morrisette said.
I love this one. Trying to say it's not a tax.
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"cost recovery fee." i love it
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Originally posted by NUKE
I love this one. Trying to say it's not a tax.
Why should anyone take responsibility for their actions anyways... big government should be there to save us!
shreck that, the sooner people (mostly democrats) realise that their are consequences for their actions and that it is NOT the states responsibility to dig you out, the better off we will be.
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I think Oregon could reduce beer consumption if they passed a law requiring that you weren't allowed to pour your own beer - you had to have someone do it for you. Kind of like the gasoline law. :D
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I drink aLOT of beer, so I'm with the Repugs on this one- no new beer taxes.
Tax milk instead.
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Originally posted by Airhead
I drink aLOT of beer, so I'm with the Repugs on this one- no new beer taxes.
Tax milk instead.
If we tax Milk, we gotta tax the Beef! Nooooooooooo.
Karaya
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cheap cigaretts lead to smoking
oh wait they have already dont that one, and WON.... watch out fellow beer men. they will get this to pass someday.
fun-nazi's never give up, and usually get their way in the end
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You can always make beer shopping trips to mexico.
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Sure, if you want to die.
-SW
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
You can always make beer shopping trips to mexico.
Nogales rules!
Viva Tecate!!!
:D
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
You can always make beer shopping trips to mexico.
we could get our seats upholstered while we're there.... and make a movie about it maybe.
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anyone sensing a pattern here... The more government you have the more money they need and the more they interfere in your life and extort funds from you.
no excuse for a tax is too lame or effeminate sounding for em.
lazs
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Originally posted by JB73
cheap cigaretts lead to smoking
oh wait they have already dont that one, and WON.... watch out fellow beer men. they will get this to pass someday.
fun-nazi's never give up, and usually get their way in the end
Dang it.....JB73 beat me to it.
Zaphod