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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JB73 on February 11, 2005, 11:07:07 AM
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recently i was given a PS2 by a friend who wanted to get the new thin one.
i had a playstation 1, but only got 2 games for it, madden 2001 and metal gear solid.
since then i have only played PC games as the PC has better everything basically.
he also gave me GTA vice city to play.
it's a fun game and i'm kinda wrapped up in it just earning cash doing the taxi thing, and stunts on the motorcycle. anyway, i think this game is dangerous LOL.
the last 2 mornings on the way to work i was runnign a bit late, and i found myself getting mroe infuriated than usual at slow moronci drivers. i found myself looking at the sidewalk, and the opposing lane to get around the dumb slow car in front of me.
as a 32 year old adult, i know better than to do something insaine like that, but i was really suprised how a simple game can make you think differently in real life. i have never thought about shooting someone after playing a FPS game, or anything like that, i just know it's wrong.
what i think GTA does is slowly desensetized you by doing "small" bad things that aren't that bad like shooting someone, but then if you get desensetizied to one thing, what's the next step?
it is a fun game, don't get me wrong, but MAN i can see how it could corrupt a young mind easily, making life very different for them in the future.
man i sound like an old fogey talking like this LOL.
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I'm all for banning that kind of games, clearly they're bad for the society. :cool:
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I work with young people and I think that the guys who make these games need take a long hard look at themselves.
There is something fundamentaly wrong in glamourising murder drug dealing and auto theft, and marketing it to young people.
The guys that make this stuff need to live in the parts of town torn apart by crime or spend time with the victims of this stuff. Then maybe they'd stop peddling this crime porn to kids!
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Originally posted by Zulu7
There is something fundamentaly wrong in glamourising murder, war, and WW2 Air Combat, and marketing it to young people.
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If kids can't differentiate between a game and real life, the parents are to blame.
-SW
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They aren't peddling anything to kids. GTA has and always will be a mature game. It is made for people who are old enough to understand the difference between reality and fantasy.
Blaming crime and the downfall on society is foolish. Sometimes, yes, there are people who cannot understand and end up doing something they "saw in a video game" and end up hurting someone. But kids don't just buy these games....parents do.
If a kid does something they saw in a video game, it's the fault of the parent for providing the content when they didn't understand what it was about. You cannot hold game designers accountable for what they do because they create a form of entertainment. They should not and cannot be held responsible for things that happen "because" of their games because they do not market them as such. It's entertainment for adults, not kids.
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im not for banning the games or quitting making them, but i do think they should be sold like liquor... only to adults.
if an adult is stupid enough to let their kids play the game then they go to jail for any crimes the kids commit.
funny thing is my buddy's 4 kids play games like the simpsons all the time.... though the driving part is like GTA, running over people, driving on sidewalks, crashing into other cars... all that.
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You do realize these games are clearly labled for sale to those aged 17 and older? I don't know about anyone else but by 17 I had at least a fundamental grasp of concepts like "right" and "wrong" and I even had the ability to distinguish "fantasy" from "reality." (in case anybody's having trouble with this one, "reality" is the one with the ugly people)
Oh and 73, if you like Vice City you should pick up San Andreas. 100x more stuff to do, and a much more varied environment.
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Vice City can have some hard missions later on in the game. I have it for pc. San Andreas is way beter than than VC imo.
SA should be out for the pc in June i think.
I loved driving around and pretending to be a serial killer picking up hookers and taking them to back alleys and shooting them with the revolver and taking my money back. lol
It got boring after i finished the game. Uninstalled now.
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Yes I do take the point but parental advice stickers and such like don't realy work. sadly yes there are many parents who don't take full responsibility that too is true.
But I still feel that there is something a bit wrong with crime games. Its my opinion but I think its just one more thing adding to the mix that is making society go slowly awry.
Oh and if you're going to quote me Nefarious please do it acurately.
I think there is big difference between WW2 simulations and games that encourage criminality!
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That's your opinion.
There is little difference between playing a make believe modern day criminal and a make believe WW2 criminal (Waffen SS).
-SW
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except we dont have death camps or civilians to kill in aces high
try a new argument wulfie
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we bomb quaint little towns (with churches!) to rubble and send in storm-troopers to opress the populace. That's probably not a very nice thing to do.
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the troops sure look allied to me.
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I did not say Aces High. There are civilians to kill in plenty of other games that are FPS for WWII.
I win, you lose.
-SW
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"GTA B*(&#!!!" -the guy running over zombies in Resident Evil 2 movie.
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Originally posted by Zulu7
Oh and if you're going to quote me Nefarious please do it acurately.
I think there is big difference between WW2 simulations and games that encourage criminality!
Lighten up dude, I wasnt trying to belittle you.
Any game that has any type of violence is going to glorify it and encourage you to do it more.
Wether it be the Grand Theft Auto Series, or the Resident Evil Series. If a game involves some type of killing its going its going to be the key point to the game.
I dont play Aces High to fly around and look at the rustic farm houses and experience the joy of flight. If I wanted to do that I would play MSFS, or become a real pilot, but I dont want to play that, nor at the present time do I feel like becoming a pilot.
I want to Kill. I want to Shoot other people down. I want to drop bombs and strafe things.
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sorry wulfie, but i am unaware of any game where your charecter is a nazi.
i have seen the newer WWII FPS's and iirc you are either american or russian.
killing civilian's (heck killing everything) is a part of a first person Shooter those games in general are all about shooting and killing many many people, AND if you read my whole initial post, i am not talking about FPS games in the first place
i have never thought about shooting someone after playing a FPS game, or anything like that, i just know it's wrong.
if there is a nazi FPS out there, it is in very bad taste.
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I was replying to Zulu's post initially when you replied to me.
In WWIIOl, you can play as a German. There are guys who "role play" as Nazis, or Waffen SS. Call of Duty can be German too, and get a skin to play as SS.
There was a Nazi FPS game, but something happened to it. Not sure, don't care. It was a while back.
In any event, Zulu is trying to label GTA and it's "idolization of crime" as bad for the public while there are games just as bad. You even said it yourself, in a FPS you are SUPPOSED to kill.
If kids get influenced by this, which they shouldn't even be playing unless their parent(s) bought it for them and then there parent(s) failed to teach them on the matter, then the fault lies with the parents. Not the gaming industry or the developers of these games.
We saw the same bull**** come about when those Columbine kids shot up the school. Then we saw flight sims almost get axed because of 9/11/2001, and then after that kid flew that Cessna into a building. It's always something else to blame.
-SW
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Originally posted by JB73
i have seen the newer WWII FPS's and iirc you are either american or russian.
Heh, and how is this better than being a Natzi ?
Soviet Russia exterminated THOUSANDS of jewish natives during Lenin's reign (probably during Stalin's too). Makes them just as bad as the Germans IMHO.
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anyone that cannot distinguish between a computer game and RL need help and should be banned from playing those sort of games at all.
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Most of the kids I work with don't have a PC they do however have playstations! So I guess access to GTA is easier than for online simms.
At the local education centre I found a bunch of non school attenders playing a mafia game! crime is cool history is not to these guys hence the crime glamour stuff has more of an impact on em.
But I agree it worries me slightly when people ape Waffen SS characters, or get involved in simulations of death camps etc.
I don't however think playing as a German soldier in WW2 online is the same as having a Nazi obsession.
Finaly though, I reiterate you don't see many school drop outs, young offenders, drug users, etc playing WW2 online. you do however see them playing GTA and the like!
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Good grief, anal people make me insane. My parents would have been jailed today for letting us be kids like they did in the 70’s.
I think Laz2 in a post way back, pointed out that growing up not real long ago, you knew it was time to come home when it finally got dark, and you were exhausted, cold, and just plain starved from playing so hard.
As a kid in the 70’s, we didn’t have computers and such, so we acted out in real life what we thought was cool. We used our mini-bikes to make plywood jumps like Evel Knievel. When we played ‘War’ we used the helmets, with winter coats as ‘armor’ with one pump Daisey BBguns and shot at each other . And we drove those same oh so dangerous Honda Trail 70’s out to rock quarries far from the farms and safety of parents to do battle. That would be child neglect today, yet we somehow survived. (Fun as **** too.)
This video game stuff ought to make every parent today relax, and thank video game makers that they can raise dormant slugs, safe from the boogeyman, and their own prosecution if their kid actually leaves the house and behaves like… well a kid.
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They'd be better off doing the things you say creamo. They are slugs indeed if we are not carefull.
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Originally posted by JB73
... i found myself getting mroe infuriated than usual at slow moronci drivers....
fuuuuhnn tastic.
Same crap was said about the violence in cartoons, and be honest now, how many safes/anvils have you seen dropped on someone else's head?
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Being sniped at constantly in Joint Ops, I find myself scanning buildings and wooded areas all the time now for snipers!! lmao
I also find myself looking for good areas for claymores.. lol
What a game!! Its shanktastic!! lol
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Originally posted by JB73
the troops sure look allied to me.
Nationality wasn't my point. The fact that a virtual civilian population is bombed into oblivion and then invaded by a contingent of enemy troops was the point. Storm-Troopers is just a more graphic word than "drunks, troops, or bish/nit sheep-shaggers."
I'm not advocating death-camp sims, and I'm not saying that games like GTA and Postal are uplifting entertainment for kids. The thought of a society that enjoys these virtual killing sprees is a rather disturbing one, but I see video games as a mere symptom. The real problem lies far deeper, and is not so easy to point fingers at on the evening news.
That said.... I'm a go play some GTA :D
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The liberal upbringing has made the children nowadays complete waterheads.
They walk around with wool hats with 30c heat and pants hanging half way. When a group of the woolheads collect together the internal heat of thier head raises so high that they start vandalising thier surroundings.
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I agree completely with Zulu, and I think we should take it a step further. These 'video games' are a fad, the real danger is in the libraries.
I visited one of these dens of inequity recently and was shocked at the books they have that glamorize crime. Everything from history books that described the assassination of presidents, talk about the Holocaust (where MILLIONS were killed illegally), and more.
They even have copies of the christian bible which has sex, violence, incest, and more.
OUTRAGEOUS!
So I'm with Zulu. Lock the video games up behind the counter, only allow adults into the library, and let's lock down TV while we're at it. There's no good reason for male kids to see females that aren't family on the television, that's just a recipe for creating lustful feelings which, quite frankly, are inappropriate.
Won't SOMEBODY please think of the children?
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Originally posted by Furious
Same crap was said about the violence in cartoons, and be honest now, how many safes/anvils have you seen dropped on someone else's head?
Anvils and safes are hard to get, like guns for a 10 year old.
Hammers however... my Dad had 2. A bigass ball peen, and a carpenters claw. Come to think of it, after watching The 3 stooges growing up, I never DID hit my friend in the head with it, although we made a tree house with it that OSHA would have jailed my parents over.
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Originally posted by Furious
Same crap was said about the violence in cartoons, and be honest now, how many safes/anvils have you seen dropped on someone else's head?
thats partially my point....
i am an intellignet STRONG headed 32 years old conservative white hetero male. (if you dont think i am strong in my convictions just search ym posts)...
this game is not like cartoons or other games. i think it is slowly by little baby steps making you think differently. almost sublimilly (speeling?)
like i said earlier, i have never thought it was "ok" to do anything i saw on tv, in a movie, in a game, whatever... but for some reason this game in particular made me think, if for just a second, that maybe it would be ok to run this red light, noone is comming the other way, and im in a hurry.
i find it a very odd situation.. similar to thinking you are targeting a car with a lead turn through your windsheild after playing AH all night. AH has been the only other game that made a change in my real life.... bought books on WWII planes, all that.
we have in the past jokingly talked about making a gunsight for your dashboard for fun and all, and thought is was funny.
now along comes a game that is all about breaking laws. all laws not just killing. step by step you get into more visious crimes, and more lawlessness.
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"now along comes a game that is all about breaking laws. all laws not just killing. step by step you get into more visious crimes, and more lawlessness."
i played a very enjoyable catburglur type sim when i was 13, i havent tried to rob anywhere yet, though i do find myself looking for entry points and valuables every time i go into a building, i wouldent actually do it...
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well, stupid pointless discussion aside - they're now starting to really crack down on selling M titles to underages. i've been carded more for buying games in the last 4 months or so then ive been carded at the package store. go figure. i saw a kid trying to convince his mom to get GTA;SA at eb a few weeks ago and the sales clerk told her it was way too mature for him.
if you keep the product in the hands of people who know its just a game then its ok by me.
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I played a lot of Mortal Kombat when I was a kid.
Everywhere I go, I act like a ninja, think like a ninja and flip out like a ninja.
-SW
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Originally posted by JB73
this game is not like cartoons or other games. i think it is slowly by little baby steps making you think differently. almost sublimilly (speeling?)
It had never occured to me to run over a prostitute after sex to get money back until I saw it done on GTA. What's more ironic, the game's creator said how great of an idea that was on The Daily Show.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I played a lot of Mortal Kombat when I was a kid.
Everywhere I go, I act like a ninja, think like a ninja and flip out like a ninja.
-SW
That's totally sweet.
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If video games are to blame for teen violence, then I should be in jail now. But no, Im here talking to yall...
Favorite character in VC: Candy Suxxx
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similar to thinking you are targeting a car with a lead turn through your windsheild after playing AH all night.
Heh there was a time when I used to 'check 6' a lot when I was driving.
I looked in the rear view mirror only to realize I was thinking subconciously: Is that friend or enemy?
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Originally posted by JB73
what i think GTA does is slowly desensetized you by doing "small" bad things that aren't that bad like shooting someone, but then if you get desensetizied to one thing, what's the next step?
it is a fun game, don't get me wrong, but MAN i can see how it could corrupt a young mind easily, making life very different for them in the future.
man i sound like an old fogey talking like this LOL.
I listen to the radio tracks from GTA3 in my car. ;)
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no i'm not saying these things are to blame. That would be way too simplistic. there are many many reasons why some kids go off the rails. But they do not help when young people who are damaged, badly parented, sliding downhill fast in terms of lifestyle and education get hold of them and they do get hold of them whether we like it or not.
I merely question the strange minds of the guys who think it cool to simulate crime, abuse of women, etc and package it as a game for entertainment, which unless they are naive or plain stupid they know kids will get hold of.