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Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: TheFox on February 11, 2005, 11:33:58 AM
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/290_1108143023_spitv-clipped.jpg)

Have fun !!
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: Furball on February 11, 2005, 12:16:31 PM
at first... i thought, nice pic of a spit... then i noticed the clipped wings and had to go have a change of clothes.
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on February 11, 2005, 12:52:14 PM
very awesome u photographed them urself ?
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: Fruda on February 11, 2005, 01:51:24 PM
We need clipped-wing Spitfires. We also need the Spitfire F Mk.XIVe, which should be perked (in effect making the 14 we already have unperked).
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: TheFox on February 11, 2005, 02:40:01 PM
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
very awesome u photographed them urself ?



Yes - thanks for the comment. I took this particular shot (along with the shot of the P47 which I posted in error in the Films & Screenshots BBS) at  the Goodwood Revival last year.

I have lots of them on my website (see link below), but AH subscribers don't have to buy them, just let me know which ones you want copies of and I will forward them to you.

Regards
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: Karnak on February 11, 2005, 02:46:17 PM
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Originally posted by Fruda
We need clipped-wing Spitfires. We also need the Spitfire F Mk.XIVe, which should be perked (in effect making the 14 we already have unperked).

We have the Spitfire F.Mk XIVe.  You can take the Mk 14 as a Spitfire F.Mk XIV with a universal wing or as a Spitfire F.Mk XIVe.

You may be thinking of the Spitfire FR.Mk XIVe which had the bubble canopy and frequently sported the hideous clipped wings.  Ugly airplane.
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: JB73 on February 11, 2005, 02:46:37 PM
in the warbirds, what is photo 3?

2 planes, sorry but i am terrible at plane identification.

also, you don't happen to have a pic of a 190 in flight do you?

i work for Xerox and have a way of making a 24x36 print for myself laminated hehehehehe

btw can i get a high res of that spit one too?
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: Karnak on February 11, 2005, 03:00:30 PM
JB73,

F7F Tigercat and maybe an F6F Hellcat.
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: TheFox on February 11, 2005, 03:57:12 PM
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Originally posted by JB73
in the warbirds, what is photo 3?

2 planes, sorry but i am terrible at plane identification.

also, you don't happen to have a pic of a 190 in flight do you?

i work for Xerox and have a way of making a 24x36 print for myself laminated hehehehehe

btw can i get a high res of that spit one too?




The two aircraft are Grumman F7F-3P Tigercat 80425 and  Grumman F8F 2P Bearcat 21714.

Both aircraft are owned by Steven Gray of The Fighter Collection and are based at Duxford in the UK. I took that photo on a very bright day last year at Duxford. It was very much a snap shot taken straight into the sky as they came out of a loop.

I dont yet have photos of the 190 in flight though I do have a couple on the ground.

As for the Spit V, if you let me have your email address I will forward it to you.

Regards
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: JB73 on February 11, 2005, 04:05:25 PM
rgr if you can send tha 2 plane one also

d a v e y m a t @ g m a i l . c o m


TY sir
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: HoHun on February 11, 2005, 04:07:10 PM
Hi Fox,

>I took that photo on a very bright day last year at Duxford. It was very much a snap shot taken straight into the sky as they came out of a loop.

It's not just nice, it's absolutely great! :-)

Believe me, I've spent countless hours at airshows, laden with photo gear, and never came up with something even approaching the quality of your shot. Maybe it's just that I'm a poor photographer, but I'm impressed big time!

I hope you're just being inappropriately modest in calling that a snap shot, my self confidence is six feet under right now! ;-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: TheFox on February 11, 2005, 05:24:10 PM
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Originally posted by HoHun
Hi Fox,

>I took that photo on a very bright day last year at Duxford. It was very much a snap shot taken straight into the sky as they came out of a loop.

It's not just nice, it's absolutely great! :-)

Believe me, I've spent countless hours at airshows, laden with photo gear, and never came up with something even approaching the quality of your shot. Maybe it's just that I'm a poor photographer, but I'm impressed big time!

I hope you're just being inappropriately modest in calling that a snap shot, my self confidence is six feet under right now! ;-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)


Hi Henning

Thanks for the compliments - but I am probably no different to you. There are plenty of good photographers out there and I guess we all need a piece of luck every now and then. Typically I take a few hundred shots at each show and only get about 10 I can really work with !!  Like you, I used to carry loads of stuff around but I found I couldn't really get to know any of it really well, so now I carry one body and only two lenses. That way I know what each is going to do.

I also spend a lot of time processing the photos to get them how I want. Obviously you have to have the shot to start with and there is loads of stuff out there to confuse us all but I tend to limit mself to about three or four tools - I guess it all about familiarity again. I suppose it's a bit like flying in AH, you have to learn the basics in one aircraft - I'm still learning !!!!

So keep shooting

Regards
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: Angus on February 11, 2005, 06:10:11 PM
Hey Fox.

This shot is absolutely great.

I had the honor once to prowl around Duxford with a press pass, and I got some nice ones, but nothing this good.

Still, got some rather nice ones, and I will mail to all of you if you like.
These were from the 2000 shows, - BoB anneversary and all that.

Was a heck of a show anyway.

Plonk your preferred emails here and I'll give you a taste :)
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: Angus on February 11, 2005, 06:15:32 PM
BTW, I've seen this bird fly, and I do have a shot of it in the takeoff pos.
Is this Charlie Brown's ride?
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: Angus on February 11, 2005, 06:15:32 PM
BTW, I've seen this bird fly, and I do have a shot of it in the takeoff pos.
Is this Charlie Brown's ride?
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on February 12, 2005, 12:23:23 AM
Again it looks very crisp
very nice pics


what camera did u use and what lens?
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: TheFox on February 12, 2005, 07:37:25 AM
Hi Bug

Thanks for the compliments. I use a Canon 10D body and that shot was taken with a Canon 100-400L lens at about 350.

Angus, yes Charlie Brown is one of the pilots that flies this Spit, though you can tell by the helmet that he was not flying it on this occasion. I'm not absolutely sure who was flying it this time.

The shot below was taken at the same show. I don't want to bore everyone with these photos, but this is perhaps another aircraft for AH

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/290_1108215314_b25.jpg)


Regards
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: Angus on February 12, 2005, 08:56:21 AM
Hey again Fox.
Never gonna get bored with those.
BTW, there was some AW dude from the krait squadron at Duxford when I was there the last time. Small world.

Can I use the email address you have from AH, or can you give me a hint of a place where I can host pictures?

Cos I also have some to share :)

Not that good though.
35mm film, printed and scanned on a flatbed scanner. Since I have the films, it could be done better I guess.
It was a Minolta XG-1 with a 80-200 zoom. 100-200 ASA Fuji and no tripod. I had a press pass, so I got some good shots from angles that are not available to everyone.

So, if there is hosting space anywhere, or if you want to get some pics by email, just let me know.
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: TheFox on February 12, 2005, 10:05:51 AM
Hi again Angus

Yes the Kraits were big in AH (remember SAC - which came from a couple of guys in the Kraits, the skins for which were done mainly by Fidd).

There a still a few Kraits flying in AH from time to time, but not that many, though Flossy continues to fly the flag along with her other duties !!

All the pictures shown on here are hosted on the AH Picture Hanger which can be found at :- http://www.onpoi.net/ah/?=SID

It is a brilliant facility, very easy to use and full of great images across all sectors.

Next time you visit an airshow let me know; we can maybe meet up and exchange notes.

As you seem to like these, here's a Spit 1 doing what it does best

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/290_1108224200_spit1.jpg)



Regards
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on February 12, 2005, 11:07:03 AM
Ur not boring me



this is the best i could do with my pocket camera

I feel the limitations

 :)

Ur camera is pretty proffesional(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/277_1108227840_p51.jpg)
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: Fruda on February 12, 2005, 11:21:25 AM
That's one fruity P-51!

...Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: TheFox on February 12, 2005, 01:13:25 PM
Nothing wrong with that camera Bug, I had a similar camera for years before I got into the bigger stuff, it was great for learning about composition and framing.

Haven't seen that P51 before - did you take the photo in the Netherlands ?

Regards
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: HoHun on February 12, 2005, 01:19:23 PM
Hi Fox,

>Thanks for the compliments. I use a Canon 10D body and that shot was taken with a Canon 100-400L lens at about 350.

Very nice! I enjoy the grain-free, crisp sharpness of your shots - chemical film won't give me that :-)

What would the the equivalent focal length for a 35 mm camera be for the same effect as your 100 - 400 mm? I guess something like 600 mm (which is the focal length of my favourite lens)?

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: TheFox on February 12, 2005, 05:37:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by HoHun
Hi Fox,

>Thanks for the compliments. I use a Canon 10D body and that shot was taken with a Canon 100-400L lens at about 350.

Very nice! I enjoy the grain-free, crisp sharpness of your shots - chemical film won't give me that :-)

What would the the equivalent focal length for a 35 mm camera be for the same effect as your 100 - 400 mm? I guess something like 600 mm (which is the focal length of my favourite lens)?

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)


Hi Henning

You have to take a multiplier of 1.6 when considering the 10D, so I guess 600mm is about right for that shot.

I like the crisp shots, but I also like some soft focus or atmospheric shots, it all depends on the subject. This one I took at a sunset display at Shuttleworth UK last year, I call it 'Last One Home'

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/290_1108251003_lastonehome.jpg)

Regards
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on February 12, 2005, 06:22:28 PM
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Haven't seen that P51 before - did you take the photo in the Netherlands ?

yes last year at lelystad i can't wait for this year airshows to make more.

its quite frustrating not being able to zoom on a flying object.

but someday and ill take the time  ill get a good camera.

Something like a D70 when they get cheaper.

again i like the cripy shots :)
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: hogenbor on February 13, 2005, 03:03:39 AM
Very very nice shots :)

These days I'm more into concert photography and a bit of tentative modelling work... but I started out with a decent SLR (Minolta 404Si) when I was still travelling all over Europe. Saw a lot of aviation museums then and a few airshows too. Hmmm, maybe it's time to browse through my old negatives this afternoon. Got a lot of good ones from Duxford, Hendon and the FAA museum in Yeovilton.

Last year I went to the new aviodrome musuem in Lelystad, The Netherlands and took a few pics with my Nikon D-70:

http://ronald.krezipmedia.org/2004/aviodrome/index.htm

And Bug, don't think about a Nikon D-70, just buy one! You will be amazed what you can do with its virtually no existent lag and high framerate. Also the high ISO performance is fantastic and if you learn how to work with .raw instead of .jpg you'll never go back. The Canon 20D is even more awesome but a bit more expensive. Dunno if you have any film based gear, but these days, Canon, Nikon, Minolta, Pentax and Olympus all allow you to upgrade from their film based gear to digital.

I also have a film scanner but it is soo much more work to wring something decent from a negative... although I like to shoot old fashioned B/W once in a while. But I degress.

Regards,

Ronald

http://www.lookupinwonder.nl
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on February 13, 2005, 03:07:01 AM
Money hogenbor thats all between it :)

nice pics hogenbor nice site of concert pics also.


here is two i made over there

i hate flash so u have to have stdy hands with the pocket camera.

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/277_1108286539_avio.jpg)

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/277_1108286610_avio2.jpg)
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: moose on February 13, 2005, 03:38:06 AM
ive been taking tons of shots with the pocket cameras for years but i'd like to move up to something semi-professional.. can you folks point me what the right direction for what an amateur would be looking for for a first digital slr camera?
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: TheFox on February 13, 2005, 04:43:13 AM
Nice portfolio Hogenbor :)  Lots of variety and good use of colour. I keep thinking about doing more portrait work and I guess that will be part of the projects scheduled for this year. - I just have to find a few willing models !! :aok

BUG and Moose. There's loads of free expert advice available on a number of Forums, but the best one for me has been

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/

There is so much advice available here on virtually every piece of kit ever made, photography techniques, processing techniques, you name it. Virtually everything I know about photography has been picked up on this BBS.

In terms of Camera kit, I bought my first Canon EOS camera about 30 years ago (EOS 600). I still have it, though rarely use it, preferring to take advantage of digital these days with the 10D. The benefit for me has always been the lenses, which fit every Canon EOS camera. Over the years I have bought and sold stuff and gradually upgraded my lenses to those I have now. Of course you never have enough in terms of quality, and I would like to have only L Lenses - but that will take time.

It needn't be too expensive either. Take a look at the 'Buy and Sell' forum on Fredmiranda. Virtually all my stuff has been bought and sold there. It is a well managed forum, the stuff offered is usually very high quality and you need never have any fear about buying through it.

Regards
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: moose on February 13, 2005, 05:16:46 AM
thanks fox, 10d might be in my price range in a couple of months and the shots you've taken are more then i would ever ask for :)

primarily im shooting at hockey games where the lighting isn't that great and i haven't found a way to get anything right with the cameras i have. (an olympus c700 and c60) in the right light though the c60 doesnt do so bad...

(http://www.103rd.net/caribbean/P1100137.JPG)
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: jigsaw on February 13, 2005, 09:15:06 AM
Fox, that first spit shot is really great. What shutter speed were you using?

Here's PorkyII from last weekend. I'm trying to get warmed up for the big Chino show.

(http://home.earthlink.net/~revolution/pics/chino_020505_0142b_700.jpg)

Moose, the 10D and D70 are good entry level bodies that would last a while. Beyond that, make investments in lenses. You can always get a better body later and use the first one as a backup.

The big Photography convention (PMA) is at the end of this month. There should be announcements as to what's coming out.
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: TheFox on February 13, 2005, 11:48:23 AM
Hi Jigsaw

Thanks for the compliment. I used 1/125 on that shot and was lucky with the light. The shot below had to be taken at 1/250 and as you can see has nearly frozen the prop. Still can't complain, I don't suppose I will ever get the chance to shoot an La-9 again !! I also haven't yet managed to grab a P38 - maybe next time I'm in the US.

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/290_1108316650_la-9pullingupbbs.jpg)

Regards
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: jigsaw on February 13, 2005, 09:17:46 PM
Fox; 1/125? Change my original "really great" to "extremely great".  Were you using a lens with IS/VR?

The P38 was shot at 1/160. Out of about 100 frames, that was the only one that was fairly free of camera shake. Was using a non IS/VR, though. For next months flight (P51) I'm going to rent a IS/VR to see if that helps.

If you're ever in SoCal when the 38 is flying, I'll cover your admission to the museum.

Keep up the great shots.
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: hogenbor on February 14, 2005, 02:58:44 AM
VR/IS is mightily expensive, a good support or a monopod is not. Makes it a lot more difficult to track something though.

Hmm, all these aircraft pics make me itch to go to England again in the summer and see some airshows...
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: TheFox on February 14, 2005, 04:31:36 AM
Yes Jigsaw, I was using my 100-400L lens with IS. Makes a big difference on these hand held shots with low shutter speeds. I managed to buy this lens via the Fredmiranda BBS in the US and got it shipped over for less than half the price it would have cost over here. Brilliant lens, very easy to use if a little heavy on the pan at full zoom, and uses batteries like no tomorrow with IS on.

Oh and by the way, I'll take you up on your offer to pay the entrance fee when I'm next in California - always wanted to visit Chino.

And Hogenbor, let me know when your coming over, maybe get to meet up.

Regards
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: HoHun on February 14, 2005, 05:08:03 PM
Hi Fox,

>Yes Jigsaw, I was using my 100-400L lens with IS. Makes a big difference on these hand held shots with low shutter speeds.

Man, I feel like a medieval leftover with my manual focus, chemical film Minolta :-) Image stabilization is extremely impressive technology - partly because it's so subtle ;-)

I just looked through some pictures from last year and found one that I like quite well "in spite":

http://hometown.aol.de/HoHunKhan/Stearman.jpg

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: Angus on February 14, 2005, 05:39:31 PM
From HoHun:
"Man, I feel like a medieval leftover with my manual focus, chemical film Minolta"

Hehe, use an XG-1 from 1980, know what it is.

Yet, not all bad, there are some really good lenses around. The best I have is a zoom lens, 35-135. I have a 80-200 as well, but the glass quality seems to be markedly less.
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: Sindon on February 15, 2005, 02:37:45 AM
Hi Fox,

Beautiful photography Sir.  If I could get some high res copies of the spitty photos I'd be very grateful.

rj_snaith@yahoo.co.uk


Thanks,

Sindon
Title: For those who like Spit Vs
Post by: Guppy35 on February 15, 2005, 03:29:33 AM
Always amazing to think that Spit was flying combat over 60 years ago.

Photo from "Spitfire-The Canadians" showing EP120 (the Spit in TheFox's photo) with her pilot during her wartime career.

Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1108459653_ep120.jpg)