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Title: Frontline
Post by: Suave on February 11, 2005, 11:32:42 PM
For the benefit of those who don't yet know, most Frontline episodes in their entirety are available for streaming video or download. The best TV journalism I've ever seen.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/view/

Don't be square.
Title: Frontline
Post by: Suave on February 12, 2005, 05:48:46 PM
Punt, twas premidnight post.
Title: Frontline
Post by: SaburoS on February 12, 2005, 07:10:24 PM
Thanks! Good link.
Title: Frontline
Post by: Nash on February 12, 2005, 07:36:38 PM
Awesome - thanks Suave.
Title: Frontline
Post by: rpm on February 12, 2005, 08:11:11 PM
You can scream and cry PBS all you want...Frontline is the best in-depth news on TV. POV is also greatness.
Title: Frontline
Post by: storch on February 12, 2005, 08:34:05 PM
pinhead liberals :rolleyes:
Title: Frontline
Post by: oboe on February 12, 2005, 08:43:36 PM
You know Storch, Jesus Christ was the original liberal.   He came with a message of hope and love for the common man.    He spoke out against wealth and greed.   He shook up the establishment and changed the world.

And thank God he did.
Title: Frontline
Post by: storch on February 12, 2005, 09:47:43 PM
He spoke volumes on money, never against wealth but on where your heart is.  some of the greediest and most materialistic people I know are also dirt poor.  Don't compare yourself with the historical Jesus you pinheads are nothing like him  :D
Title: Frontline
Post by: oboe on February 12, 2005, 10:19:51 PM
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Originally posted by storch
...some of the greediest and most materialistic people I know are also dirt poor.  Don't compare yourself with the historical Jesus you pinheads are nothing like him  :D


Sure they are, Storch.   Coveting where that next meal is coming from, or next month's rent, or medicine for one of the kids?   Those greedy, shameless bastages!

I wasn't comparing myself to Christ.    I was reminding you that Christ was a liberal - something you may not have thought about that way before.   It was also meant as a gentle reminder that children of God needn't be so vicious to other people.  

Title: Frontline
Post by: storch on February 13, 2005, 08:45:16 AM
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Originally posted by oboe
Sure they are, Storch.   Coveting where that next meal is coming from, or next month's rent, or medicine for one of the kids?   Those greedy, shameless bastages!

I wasn't comparing myself to Christ.    I was reminding you that Christ was a liberal - something you may not have thought about that way before.   It was also meant as a gentle reminder that children of God needn't be so vicious to other people.  



Coveting a meal :rofl Errr no not quite. How about beating the crap out of a teenager for bumping the early '90s batmobile.  The fact is that money is a medium of exchange for some and for others it's a lifelong long quest at the lottery ticket line.  People who can't live within their means at $6000.00 dollars a year will never get beyond that.  It's about spending less than what you have coming in, that would be at any income level .

I have little sympathy for "the homeless" because of where I grew up and because of what I see daily around my warehouse.  It's about choices, some people spend a lifetime making stupid ones.  I hold liberals who think "social programs" is what these people need in contempt.  What those people need is a good kick in the arse when they're falling down drunk by noon.  Spare me your liberal sensibilities I live in the real world.   I'll tell you what why don't you come down to Miami and ask the bums if they would like to move to Minnesota, I'll donate for the bus fare.  

:D
Title: Frontline
Post by: lazs2 on February 13, 2005, 09:16:28 AM
I seem to notice that all the biggest flaming liberals get all wet talking about PBS While all the conservatives think it is well done artsy, leftwing BS.

Yet... when I say it is way left of center I am told by the lefties that it is fair and balanced.   Fox is more fair and balanced.

lazs
Title: Frontline
Post by: Saintaw on February 13, 2005, 09:26:48 AM
Excellent, thanks for the link!
Title: Frontline
Post by: CptTrips on February 13, 2005, 01:07:05 PM
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Originally posted by oboe
You know Storch, Jesus Christ was the original liberal.   He came with a message of hope and love for the common man.    He spoke out against wealth and greed.   He shook up the establishment and changed the world.

And thank God he did.



Yeah, I bet he would have been strident about a woman's right to kill her unborn child.  Even to the point of "partial birth".

You're self-serving arrogance boggles the mind.

:rolleyes:

Btw, good link.  Frontline is almost always able to hide its inate liberal bias.  I enjoy the show mostly.
 
Wab
Title: Frontline
Post by: oboe on February 13, 2005, 02:06:16 PM
I apologize if I came off as self-serving and arrogant -- it was never my intent.    Arrogance bothers me alot.    I occasionally get tired of all the attacks on liberals and Storch's post set me off.   Perhaps you see the arrogance as well in a post that simply says "pinhead liberals"?   But I guarantee both you and Storch are assuming incorrectly about my politics.

I've been thinking alot lately about the differences between liberals and conservatives, since I don't think I fit into either camp very well.     I do think Christ was liberal (i.e. one tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition). And when I think about his teachings on how we should treat the poor, our enemies, and his attitude towards wealth it is clear to me that he had that in common with liberals.   Do you agree?

Your definition of liberal probably focuses on crusaders for gay rights, gun control, abortion and high taxes and yes its hard to imagine Christ having anything to do with these positions.
Title: Frontline
Post by: parker00 on February 13, 2005, 02:09:57 PM
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People who can't live within their means at $6000.00 dollars a year


Please tell me where in this country can u live off of $6000.00 a year?  


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What those people need is a good kick in the arse


Sounds like you could use one as well





68Parker
Title: Frontline
Post by: storch on February 13, 2005, 03:04:09 PM
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Originally posted by parker00
Please tell me where in this country can u live off of $6000.00 a year?  


 

Sounds like you could use one as well





68Parker


Come give me one when ever you feel the urge.  Let me know when you'll be in Miami.  My friend is Canadian and I should have said $6000.00 Canadian dollars which is a little less than US dollars.  So the answer is Canada.
Title: Frontline
Post by: Nash on February 13, 2005, 03:10:08 PM
Oh yeah? Where in Canada?
Title: Frontline
Post by: Holden McGroin on February 13, 2005, 05:01:59 PM
I think you missed it Nash, you should not be objecting to the thought that one can live in Canada for 6000, it's that Canada is in "this country".
Title: Frontline
Post by: storch on February 13, 2005, 05:02:22 PM
New Brunswick
Title: Frontline
Post by: Nash on February 13, 2005, 05:16:06 PM
If you triple the 6 grand, you'd be just over the poverty line in New Brunswick.
Title: Frontline
Post by: storch on February 13, 2005, 05:31:01 PM
never the less that is the figure.  what does welfare pay an individual with one dependant in Canada?
Title: Frontline
Post by: Holden McGroin on February 13, 2005, 05:47:47 PM
Thinking of moving, Storch?
Title: Frontline
Post by: Nash on February 13, 2005, 05:59:07 PM
lol
Title: Frontline
Post by: Silat on February 13, 2005, 06:12:13 PM
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Originally posted by storch
I have little sympathy for "the homeless" because of where I grew up and because of what I see daily around my warehouse.  It's about choices, some people spend a lifetime making stupid ones.  I hold liberals who think "social programs" is what these people need in contempt.  What those people need is a good kick in the arse when they're falling down drunk by noon.  Spare me your liberal sensibilities I live in the real world.   I'll tell you what why don't you come down to Miami and ask the bums if they would like to move to Minnesota, I'll donate for the bus fare.  

:D


Isnt that a quote from the bible? No wonder so many have turned away from the church...................
Title: Frontline
Post by: Vulcan on February 13, 2005, 07:01:40 PM
Frontline?

(http://www.workingdog.com/frontline/gifs/front18n.jpg)
Title: Frontline
Post by: -tronski- on February 13, 2005, 07:19:18 PM
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Frontline?

(http://www.workingdog.com/frontline/gifs/front18n.jpg)


Ahhhhhh no...wrong one (although quite possibly the best example of TV Jorno's)

 Tronsky
Title: Frontline
Post by: storch on February 13, 2005, 10:02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Silat
Isnt that a quote from the bible? No wonder so many have turned away from the church...................


no way you are really that ignorant!! :D
Title: Frontline
Post by: RedTop on February 13, 2005, 10:05:09 PM
Nice Link...came in handy at work. :)
Title: Frontline
Post by: StarOfAfrica2 on February 14, 2005, 01:29:41 AM
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Originally posted by parker00
Please tell me where in this country can u live off of $6000.00 a year?

68Parker


Try living in the far southern part of Illinois.  Nothing but farms and a few scattered factories to make money from, other than prisons and fast food joints.  The poverty line there is right around 12,000 per year, and I've lived on half of that more years than I want to remember.  Still managed to have a decent place to live (not real nice, but it wasnt a mobile home park either) and while I cant say the vehicles I owned were anywhere near new (except for 2) I almost always had wheels.  Hell, the years I made 10 - 12k I was doing good!  

I thank God every day for where I'm at now and the fact that I'll be able to show my son there's more to the world than that.  But believe me, there are plenty of people in this country right now getting by on less than 10k per year without assistance.