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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: sullie363 on February 14, 2005, 06:21:56 PM
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I'm just wondering how many out there will shoot anything that moves and how many have set boundaries.
For example, unless the guy has been pissing me off for whatever reason, I'll most likely not take somebody out who's landing. Although when on the runway it is difficult to tell the differance between a plane which is landing and one which is taking off. I even remember months ago, in AH1, we (my squad) were attacking some base and a 262 had just landed and was rolling to a stop. Being first in on the base, I was even instucted by my CO to take the 262 out. While I was lined up on him and could of easily got the kill, I decided not to fire and he managed to exit. Figuring that if I was that guy, I really wouldn't of wanted to be killed that way.
So yeah, just curious as to what kinds of limits might be out there.
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never ever HO on the merge.
after merge all is fair.
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The only rule is.
There are no rules.
In a squad where guys like slapshot will blast the plane to bits after I just took its tail off. (kill stealing *&^$%#$$#%&) LOL, I can't restrict myself with rules. :D
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Rules? Well I try to never Ho unless its me against like 3 or more.
I will let a smoking enemy go if it was a good fight and I have the feeling he'll leave and not reverse on me.
I will let someone land most times.
I'll vulch if it is helping in a base capture. I have NEVER flown to a field in hopes to vulch only. That is more lame that being in a 5 on one and getting ho'ed by 3 or 4 of em.
I'll ask before engaging and enemy when a fellow knight is fighting em 1 vs. 1. I try to NEVER KILL STEAL and WILL APOLOGIZE if it happens.
I'll help anyone I can and give 6 calls out the whaazoo.
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You are a walking case of burnout waiting to happen.
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Originally posted by Urchin
You are a walking case of burnout waiting to happen.
Me Urchin?
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Yep
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Originally posted by Urchin
Yep
Hmmm....Well not sure why you would think that. But , thats ok to.
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Nothing personal, to be honest.
You'll just get sick of holding yourself to any kind of standard when nobody else does.
Then you'll feel bad for breaking it lol.
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Ahhh.....Got ya. I have broken the HO thing a thing a time or 2. Being in a bad mood and having fight after fight with nothing but HO's I have shot out of frustration. ANd yes..felt like a tardling after. AND died I might add. :lol
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Yeah, I see HOs perfectly acceptalbe when I'm defending a base and am more likely to be vulched than get in the air. Otherwise, it really depends.
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I do not HO on the merge and try to refrain from doing it even after. I do this for two reason. One, I'm not good enough by any means to get a good shot and I usually always end up losing vital parts once the enemy passes me. Secondly, I feel I get a better advantage if I reverse before the enemy reachs me leaving me in a better position to get a shot as the extend out.
I let an aircraft with oil leaks go because he will no longer be in the fight and I do not like to go for easy kills. If it's a fuel leak, however, I will fight until they run. Then they're free to go. If you try to extend out and come back, you're fair game.
If you're taking off, you're free until the gear comes up. If you're landing, you're free until you exit.
I always good fights and try to analyze the many mistakes I made during the battle. I had a really intense fight with Geno one night while he was in a Spit 14 and I was in a Yak. Had some really close calls but he sawed my tail off in the end. I use my failed dogfights as a learning tool and it does help me.
So, there you have it.
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Originally posted by RedTop
Rules? Well I try to never Ho unless its me against like 3 or more.
I will let a smoking enemy go if it was a good fight and I have the feeling he'll leave and not reverse on me.
I will let someone land most times.
I'll vulch if it is helping in a base capture. I have NEVER flown to a field in hopes to vulch only. That is more lame that being in a 5 on one and getting ho'ed by 3 or 4 of em.
I'll ask before engaging and enemy when a fellow knight is fighting em 1 vs. 1. I try to NEVER KILL STEAL and WILL APOLOGIZE if it happens.
I'll help anyone I can and give 6 calls out the whaazoo.
I posted these in another thread as how I remember earlier days rules/code of conduct. Clearly not everyone flew this way , but I honestly believe the majority did.
So stick with it Redtop - they sound like good rules.
2 on 1 is plenty
Flying against the numbers is preferable to flying with the numbers.
HO's are not ACM
Respect your opponents, victor or vanquished. Die gracefully and quietly. Win the same way.
Dying teaches you more than running
Vulching is OK and fun occasionally, but not every sortie
Camping is something boy scouts do ;)
.....and stealing kills from squaddies is a tradition that must be continued :)
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I only have one rule: If it is red and it moves, kill it.
Corollary: If it is not moving, give it a burst to see if it is just faking. If that burst doesn't get it to move, give it another, just in case.
:)
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I gave up on expecting, or giving much from the MA as far as protocal or ROE. Just get in there and blaze away. Afterall, its just a primer for scenarios. If you want to duel, goto the DA and setup rules with your opponent. The MA is so full of so many different types, its impossible to expect everyone to follow your way of playing, and shame doesnt work, most people just dont G.A.F.
So get in there and tear em up Tiger!
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Generally speaking, if its red its dead.
I will not HO in a merge unless I have the guns to make sure its going to work and the opponent does not.
I know I know... I'm evil. But truth is, it was a frequently employed method of attack, its valid and I don't feel bad about it. I have historical examples of squadrons deliberately instructed to try to get the kills in the merge.
I will never shot in the merge in the D.A. Thats bad form as it is supposed to be a duel and not a quick trigger competition.
I will not fire at you if you are on my six and I don't have a gun pointed at you.
I do not seek out vulches, but will do it to support of or to enable a capture.
I will sacrafice my life any day of the week to kill a goon. Not because I want the kill but because I want to fuxxor your capture mission and protect my base.
And I will salute you on a win or a loss if I feel you earned it.
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It's all about projected outcomes and odds. If your best chance for survival depends on a particular action or avoiding a particular action that is always your best course. This is part of tactical/situational awareness. If you are at a gross disadvantage in some regard you will have to lower your standards, if you have the advantage you can stick with high survival/low-risk percentage actions...
Zazen
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Wow I'm Having An AW flashback. I remember letting guys Go, Land, and Almost take off:aok But then Again the HO was off so it was different. Oh I think most of all No Perk Points. Keeping Score changes things IMHO:D
Crims
479th Raiders
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I wish that HT would kill the scores for a few tours.
I know it would change a few things.
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I doubt it, to be honest.
Once you get past a certain point, the only explanation for any behaviour is that it is ingrained.... a cultural thing.
I think we passed that point a couple years ago.
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rarely get ho'ed, most i pass on merge as myself dont shoot. Some do, if they get me,so be it. I extend the courtesy of not firing on a ho merge. and make sure my *** is out the way(most of the time). but when I see a ho merge firing from a mile away then I know he is Cannon fodder
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I don't HO but it's not for courtesy reasons. I try to get more than one kill per sortie and I really don't see how Ho'ing is conducive to that.
And for all those tards who say it takes two to HO. Shaddup noobs! It only takes one to attempt a HO, two to merge.. learn the difference. That said, I'd say well over 90% of HO's are avoidable.
I'll kill anything that presents itself as a target, short of kill stealing. I'll gang, vulch, pick, rope, bait, taunt, switch, fake, tease..... whatever I can do to defeat my opponent and fly to the next victim.
I'd have vulched that 262 and laughed hystercally about it, along w/ anyone else who saw me do it. Exception: If I encounter a friend who is bingo rtb or crippled, I will often let him go(unless someone else is trying to kill him, then it's mine). Unless it's Todd, then my odds are almost 50-50 of winning 1v1.
The game is primarily about plane to plane combat. If you have a chance to shoot another guy down, it's due to mistake(s) he has made, let him have it.
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Yesterday i engaged two higher FW's in my PG all they did is work together (ok) and HO me (not ok) this is typical lately.
I can almost read their simplistic minds.
I should have like most in the MA dive and run to friends.
(wich on the festerfurballcompactmap is very easy to do)
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Originally posted by crims
Wow I'm Having An AW flashback. I remember letting guys Go, Land, and Almost take off:aok But then Again the HO was off so it was different. Oh I think most of all No Perk Points. Keeping Score changes things IMHO:D
Crims
479th Raiders
I think the other part of it was for the most part AW was working only one map. I remember in the AW1 days folks just kind of established areas that they operated. You'd be talking to guys on the other side and you'd be able to set the stage for a fight.
I think it was the smaller numbers, more familiarity with the map etc that made it easier to let a guy land or ask if they were out of ammo or fuel and then break it off. I can remember escorting shot up bad guys back to thier side of the lines after a good fight and letting team mates know that the damaged bird was off limits. No one really thought twice about it.
You knew the point mongers were down in the VOD vulching each other while the air to air guys were meeting up over the rivers or the big pond.
Ah well, twas a long time ago :)
Dan/Slack
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my personal roe...
1. never enter a fight with more then 1:2 disadvantage unless with enough speed and energy advantage to set the terms
2. ho's at a merge are off limits... afterwards i try to avoid them unless i feel the enemy hasn't fully lined up to get a shot off. (during a rope, for instance)
3. all planes still flying are considered game. i've been shot down by guys streaming oil after i left em for dead.. no more
4. joining a gangbang is a waste of time. if i see more then 2 guys on a con, or 1 guy who has it under control, i usually move on.
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I stick to very few rules in the MA, and they were all included in the things RedTop and Redd pointed out.
They tend to make life easier and flying more enjoyable, because as someone said a while ago in this BB "the veterans should lead through example".
In general the master rule i use is "Don't do things to others you wouldn't like to be done to you!"
Though i must admit that i find a HO to be a valid choice, if i see that my adversary is not pointing his guns at me and i can get a front aspect guns solution at him without bringing myself into the danger of catching a bullet i will do so. If on the other hand he is going for the HO i will avoid him and go for the positional advantage.
Vulching is necessary in a field capture situation to keep the opposition down, but under all other circumstances i will try to let someone get atleast his gear up and get some seperation and speed to work with.
EDIT: I flew quit alot the last WE as i had to play around with my new toy the TrackIR. And the MA was a very enjoyable place, well fought dogfights with about even odds most of the time, no kill stealers, constant "check6" warnings and friendly chat. Actually it seemed most were united in a sense of "lets just have fun" and it worked out very well.
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anyone els found urchin to be depresing? :p
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Originally posted by sullie363
I'm just wondering how many out there will shoot anything that moves and how many have set boundaries.
For example, unless the guy has been pissing me off for whatever reason, I'll most likely not take somebody out who's landing. Although when on the runway it is difficult to tell the differance between a plane which is landing and one which is taking off. I even remember months ago, in AH1, we (my squad) were attacking some base and a 262 had just landed and was rolling to a stop. Being first in on the base, I was even instucted by my CO to take the 262 out. While I was lined up on him and could of easily got the kill, I decided not to fire and he managed to exit. Figuring that if I was that guy, I really wouldn't of wanted to be killed that way.
So yeah, just curious as to what kinds of limits might be out there.
You are hereby reprimanded for your failure to follow a lawful order. Consider youself on report, mister!
j/k,
shubie
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Originally posted by Urchin
I doubt it, to be honest.
Once you get past a certain point, the only explanation for any behaviour is that it is ingrained.... a cultural thing.
I think we passed that point a couple years ago.
Totally agree with Urchin here. I am a suvivalist by nature. When I played AH2 beta with scores disabled my play-style remained the exact same. Similiarly, I have been using my wife's acccount in an effort to burn her perks off before I cancel it. Obviously score is meaningless but nonetheless I am having trouble burning perks because I simply cannot fly recklessly or put myself in a situation that would virtually guarentee death. It's not a score thing, it's an ingrained behavior as Urchin said...
Zazen
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I will let a helpless plane go if I am out of ammo.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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1.) If a country mate is on an airplane, I'll ask if he needs help.
2.) No HO's on the first pass.
3.) If I do hit you with a rocket mid air, I will laugh histerically and insult you for the rest of time.
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The most common ROE as I see them: :D
I will not HO unless the enemy is in front of me coming right at me
I will not vulch unless I am over an enemy field when the enemy is taking off or landing
I will not fly a suicide dive-bomb mission unless I can blow up more outhouses on the field by totally ignoring everything else
I will not dive in on a 5 vs 1 (on the side of the 5) unless I am sure I can get the kill
I will not run from a fight unless I don't have a significant advantage
If I get shot down more than once in the best furball to happen in weeks, I will up a buff and destroy the enemy's fighter hangars
I will not shoot a plane going down in flames unless I am sure I can get enough damage into it to get the kill
Did I miss any? :rofl
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RedTop has a very honorable starting point and I have to say that is where I start.
For the most part I don't ho, I think HOing just screams I can't fight so I will take the only shot I have, plus I would rather the thrill of a hard fought fight than the pwueny satisfaction of a kill via HO.
Now if I am defending a field or the guy I am fighting is a Bore N Zoomer then I will HO the bastig and put us both out of his misery rather than chase his running arse all over the map.
Normally I don't fly to vulch but if I up and no defenders come out to meet me and I am over the field I only vulch when it is the last resort ( I.e. The rest of the greens are already there and vulching. ) If it is just me and another guy, I will let him up and give him some time to get to a point where he can fight. If there are more than one I always go for the guys flying first.
The rest will die, that is all lol.
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will not steal a kill from a squaddie
will not steal a kill from anyone
will HO at a vulched base to clear enemies (or attacking a CV to get the planes out of the air)
will not HO on normal merges
will not check six someone who earlier that night used me as "bait" in a fight (yeah i know SA.. whatever, in a light fight, and you are on the 6 of a plane, you look back 1 second and the enemy you are chasing evades)
will not strafe bulidings for non-squaddie when sortied as fighter
will call on vox if i am passing a friendly and might KS him going by
will double and tripple team an enemy to clear a squaddie
will HO shane if i know it is him
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I'm not trying to bust Redtop's chops, or anyone elses, I just think trying to hold yourself to any kind of standards causes burnout.
I know for me I got quite burnt out from being forced to either fly a Spit (to fight effectively X on 1) or an El gay (to run from X on 1s) instead of planes that I enjoy flying, or to fly in a horde like everyone else (which is somewhat unattractive option, at least for me).
JB73.. only triple-team? Wow.. every time I've run across the Jabores it's been as many Jabores as were in the air + whoever else they could talk into helping. Way to go on restraining yourself lol.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
never ever HO on the merge.
after merge all is fair.
That about sums it up.
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first off i have to ask, why are you always a total dichweed to me and the squad i'm in?
berating someone to compensate for "inadquecies" it seems like to me.
anyway, what is wrong with helping a squaddie? squad always comes before country.
second we almost never request people come on an attack with us, if we are doing an organized attack with the squad some others like to follow along, and we are nto going to tell them to go away.
when there is 2-3 JB's online and no CO or XO, i can not dictate what they do where they fight or how they fight.
so unless you have a secret enemy ID icon mode, how do you know about there being tons of JB's in the area?
lastly, im sick of all this carp anyway, so today you join the illustrious ignore list.
goodbye
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LOL Urchin, I'm already burnt out bud.
MA is stale and boring. 90% of the time I am either defending against high alt cons or flying into high alt cons.
Once in a while there are a group of enemy that don't need the Alt crutch and good figths ensue, then some hero comes in and drops all the hangers and it's back the fighting the high alt guys.
Maybe it's me. I am hoping the cure will be the movement started this past Sunday where like minded people can get together and furball till we drop. Kinda like the best of the AHII beta days
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Originally posted by mars01
LOL Urchin, I'm already burnt out bud.
MA is stale and boring. 90% of the time I am either defending against high alt cons or flying into high alt cons.
Once in a while there are a group of enemy that don't need the Alt crutch and good figths ensue, then some hero comes in and drops all the hangers and it's back the fighting the high alt guys.
Maybe it's me. I am hoping the cure will be the movement started this past Sunday where like minded people can get together and furball till we drop. Kinda like the best of the AHII beta days
That sure seems to be the case lately. I can't believe how high the bad guys always seem to be to me :)
I get bored spending all that time getting to alt just so I can come back down again. And I always seem to find myself low and slow on the deck with way too many guys all shooting at me.
I've gotta take that 'shoot me' sign off my 38G :)
Dan/Slack
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I would say half the guys in here with their ROE are full of it. lol Kill them all and let god sort em out!
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Originally posted by JB73
first off i have to ask, why are you always a total dichweed to me and the squad i'm in?
berating someone to compensate for "inadquecies" it seems like to me.
when there is 2-3 JB's online and no CO or XO, i can not dictate what they do where they fight or how they fight.
so unless you have a secret enemy ID icon mode, how do you know about there being tons of JB's in the area?
lastly, im sick of all this carp anyway, so today you join the illustrious ignore list.
goodbye
Mostly just because your squad flies like a bunch of ***** Girl Scouts, which irritates me.
Oh.. and my "secret enemy icon mode" is shooting them all down...
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I will shoot anything that moves unless I am not the one that disabled the plane. So, if we fight and I take your engine out, I will shoot you trying to ditch (watch the point anyway? send you to the tower faster :lol ). If I find a disabled plane (that I did not disable) or out of ammo, I will break off the attack. If I see you trying to land a perfectly good plane while I know you have seen me comming and you chose not to fight but try to crash land as fast as you can, you will be vulched.
Then there are the times where after being ganged and hoed repeatedly, I will up a 110 and HO everything on site but that does not happen often :rofl
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I get bored spending all that time getting to alt just so I can come back down again
or when you finally get to alt ... they run away and grab more alt ... or they just flat out run away.
ROE ?
1st Rule ... shreckIN' ENGAGE YA BASTAGE !!!
2nd Rule ... SEE THE FIRST RULE YA TOOL !!!
3rd Rule ... NO HO ON THE INITIAL MERGE !!!
After that all is fair in love and war.
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1st rule, watch grass grow as enemy runs away
2nd rule, go play with children as enemy grabs to 20k
3rd rule, come back in time to cause one overshoot, then repeat rules 1 and 2.
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R.O.E.. this is a war(game), rook vs bish vs knight:mad: so you take any and every opportunity to engage and destroy your enemy with what tools and/or methods you have at your disposel ,while not dying yourself:D ................as far as
I know, nobody as never not fired me as I tried to land.:rofl
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I think that burnout is often induced more from hoping that others will meet your standards, than adopting standards of your own.
I don't know. I'm fortunate that my favorite planes work well at low alt. I don't spend much time getting alt in most cases. Some of the best sorties I've flown were NOE surprise sweeps on enemy fields.
The only RsOE that I impose on myself are
1. Assume the other guy is going to ho
2. Let them get off the ground
Not HOing isn't really so much an ROE, but common sense. I would likely die from trying it. Sort of like having a ROE that says "Don't auger" lol.
-Sik
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During the war, most 262s were shot down during landing, since no sane pilot really cared to engage one. They just tried to evade until the bird ran out of fuel, and then followed them home and pounced on their field.
A kill is a kill is a kill - it's war.
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ROE
If you {enemy} come to our field or base, then be prepared to be met by a hail of AA gunfire from my crew.
It's that simple.
Have a great day!
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Originally posted by MOIL
ROE
If you {enemy} come to our field or base, then be prepared to be met by a hail of AA gunfire from my crew.
It's that simple.
Have a great day!
I think Ack Ack would agree. This post's for you.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131705
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The cause of burnout is really really simple...Perpetually engaging in activities that you do no find rewarding, satisfying or fun. That means different things for different people of course, there's no 'universal' cause of burnout imho. Sometimes avoiding the causes of burnout is under your control sometimes it is not, an example is playing on a MA map that is not conducive to providing the type of combat situations you enjoy...
Zazen
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HAHAHAHA...I remember you Zazen.
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I remember the post well StarofAfrica, it was a great thread.
We will always catch he11 and poked at for being good at what we do, comes with the territory.
{only thing is, I don't ".ef" or use a dot on my screen} :D
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So why did you guys leave the game anyway.
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Originally posted by Blue Mako
I only have one rule: If it is red and it moves, kill it.
Corollary: If it is not moving, give it a burst to see if it is just faking. If that burst doesn't get it to move, give it another, just in case.
:)
:aok
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Well for me, the biggest thing is that I try not to HO on the merge. After the merge, I've been accused of HO'ing people, but I'm sorry, just because I'm towards the front half of your aircraft, it is not an HO. I don't purposefully ever aim for an HO. HO to me is directly, and purposefully heading towards the gun solution of an enemy, for your own gun solution.
If I have someone on my 6, and scissor, and am able to get enough speed bled quick enough so that the other guy lines up in my guns, I'm taking the shot. Doesn't matter to me where I'm shooting, because by nature, him being 500 off my 6 was the merge already.
When finding a fight, whether or not I jump in is based on a couple of things. If it's 1 v 1, I'll try and vox the friendly to see if he needs help. If it's 2 v 1 with friendly numbers, I'll just buzz on by. 1 v 2 enemy numbers, I'll jump in right away.
I also fly with a wingman on occasion. We generally try and draw one guy low, then hang him up as the 2nd swoops on him. Sometimes if we bring the enemy verticle, for the wing to get a shot, it's an HO. But again, I feel that by him engaging my wing, the merge is completed. I also feel this is not a cheap way to fly, but generally good tactics.
Just my opinion, and since I'm such a n00b, take it for what its worth. lol
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Am I alone in this when I say that fair fights are for the dueling arena? I'm not looking for a fair fight in the MA - ever. I'm not looking for a fair fight when I put the Dora on WEP with 25 nose down, and I'm certainly not looking for a fair fight if I'm over a field and 3 birds are uping. I'm looking for a chance to anihilate/kill/slaughter/eviscerate/destroy my opponent, any way humanly possible.
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Originally posted by JB51
Am I alone in this when I say that fair fights are for the dueling arena? I'm not looking for a fair fight in the MA - ever. I'm not looking for a fair fight when I put the Dora on WEP with 25 nose down, and I'm certainly not looking for a fair fight if I'm over a field and 3 birds are uping. I'm looking for a chance to anihilate/kill/slaughter/eviscerate/destroy my opponent, any way humanly possible.
You will hear the cries all day/night long of those seeking 'fairness' in the MA. It ain't going to happen. The only fair thing about the MA is we all have the opportunity to secure the same aircraft with the same altitude and speed if we so desire. From that point forward there is nothing 'fair' about it. Fairness in real war or simulated war is non-existant, and in many respects totally counter to the entire object of the war. Is it fair the US bombed Iraq for 6 months before a massive overwhelming joint arms attack with complete air supremacy...hell no, but it was darn effective..
Effectiveness is what it is all about, if you find a particular tactic, approach or methodology to be consistantly effective for you you will be rewarded, you will feel satisfied and thus you will have fun. Fun is what it is all about. If the only thing that you find fun is a 'fair' 1 vs. 1 similiar plane co-E, co-alt engagement the MA is going to be a very fun-less place for you to spend your discretionary free-time, head to the DA with a friend instead....
Zazen
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Depends on mood. Main trend is ... unpredictability.
On really good fights, I've confirmed when opponent was out of ammo, saluted, and escorted him to his airspace.
But sometimes it's fun to vulch, mess with chutes or spray a P-47 full load into someone's face HO and wait for the screams of anguish.
Or dive bomb with a Lanc formation -- then read howls of unrealistic gameplay ... unless they did it to you first.
Can be especially satisfying to nail a score potato trying to land more.
Sometimes like to shadow prey and kill with fewest shots possible. Other times it's a rush to load max and trash an entire area.
Sometimes play like real and nurse bird home. Toil around with realistic horizontal bombing. Take an early war bird and stalk perk rides. Other times go pure cyber and repeatedly fight till die.
Occasionally just cruise the entire arena and decoy pursuers.
Play smash with ground vehicles or plink away with ack.
Gotta have variety, gotta have challenge, gotta have fun or why bother. After all, it's a ... g a m e.
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Originally posted by Halo
Can be especially satisfying to nail a score potato trying to land more.
Lol, one of my favorite Kills EVAR!!!
We were flying on the Pizza Map and a fight broke out in one of the Deep Canyons. I dove in on an La-7 in my Yak, but ended up compressing (It might be the only time I've compressed in a Yak, I still am not sure it's possible). I augered. Oh well, that's my LOFT for ya.
On Channel 1 the La-7 is just SPEWING about what a POS I am for Augering instead of fighting. I tried to calmly explain that no, I just suck. But that wasn't good enough. He just kept going and going.
By the time I made it back to his base he was just lining up for a landing :lol You should have heard him ranting then.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Zazen13
You will hear the cries all day/night long of those seeking 'fairness' in the MA. It ain't going to happen. The only fair thing about the MA is we all have the opportunity to secure the same aircraft with the same altitude and speed if we so desire. From that point forward there is nothing 'fair' about it. Fairness in real war or simulated war is non-existant, and in many respects totally counter to the entire object of the war. Is it fair the US bombed Iraq for 6 months before a massive overwhelming joint arms attack with complete air supremacy...hell no, but it was darn effective..
Effectiveness is what it is all about, if you find a particular tactic, approach or methodology to be consistantly effective for you you will be rewarded, you will feel satisfied and thus you will have fun. Fun is what it is all about. If the only thing that you find fun is a 'fair' 1 vs. 1 similiar plane co-E, co-alt engagement the MA is going to be a very fun-less place for you to spend your discretionary free-time, head to the DA with a friend instead....
Zazen
This is where I'll have to disagree. This is still just a game. It's not war. No one is dying. There is no risk.
If two guys are locked in a good 1 v 1 and you dive in and grab a kill it accomplishes nothing beyond ending what may have been a good fight and learning experience for the two guys involved. If that fight goes to the end and one of them 'dies', he still gets a free plane and is right back up.
Too many folks get caught up in the "so and so lands 97 kills in their Me262" messages and all the WTGs that follow.
I'll agree it's all about fun, but that should be fun for everyone. It seems like there was a time where folks looked for the even fight. Radar and dar bars sent folks heading for the spot where the bad guys were, not where they were not. Now it seems folks look for the one where they might have the best chance to vulch a field and land a zillion kills.
That's a generalization of course but as an example last night, when I'd probably already been on too long, I bounced around to some fields that had few good guys and more bad guys, and from the tower it was always the same. The bad guys were just loitering, waiting for someone to try and up. They'd come screaming in and nail em before they got away from the runway. And these were the LA7, Niki guys.
If that's fun, then folks are setting some fairly low expectations for it :)
Dan/Slack
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Whats amazing to me is how many peeps say here they never take a HO shot....either total bs ...or I always run into other guys instead
I always and I mean always, as I either try to go under or some other move hear the shots being taken as the plane zooms by...
So either all u guys are full of chit...or that da*** target is still painted on my face....
NwBie
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Reply to Dan/Slack
Slack
I will always give a wtg if the person lands with 6 or more kills, especially since AH2 came out...
My reasoning, albeit lame, 6 or more kills is kinda hard now unless of course u have been vulching, I usually assume that the 6 or more killer had to refuel and rearm, unless he is inhuman like Levi, or Wildthing, and other known impossibly lucky :), bastages...or Rope-a-matics like SHawk :)
Just to survive the rearming process now for me is an accomplishment, trolling down the runway, slipping back and forth, avoiding the rearm building, the fuel tanks, getting back on the runway...H*** I usually am sweating so much by then that I wish I had just replaned lol
NwBie
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Why force yourself to use a hammer to screw in a nail? If you have the tool at your disposal, use it. I will headon, I'll vulch, and I'll be a low-down despicable scoundrel if you let me.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Why force yourself to use a hammer to screw in a nail? If you have the tool at your disposal, use it. I will headon, I'll vulch, and I'll be a low-down despical scoundrel if you let me.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Yeah but you've always been that way, even in your AW days when you went into FR and cheated against those old 38 vets when you beat up on em :)
Dan/Slack
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Originally posted by Nwbie
Whats amazing to me is how many peeps say here they never take a HO shot....either total bs ...or I always run into other guys instead
I always and I mean always, as I either try to go under or some other move hear the shots being taken as the plane zooms by...
So either all u guys are full of chit...or that da*** target is still painted on my face....
NwBie
Don't fall for the go under their nose move. First of all, if you do, they will take the shot and claim it was not a head on because, well, its not a HO any more. Second, its not the great move everyone makes it to be. Some people will make you believe that if you do that you have a guaranted kill.
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Originally posted by Nwbie
Whats amazing to me is how many peeps say here they never take a HO shot....either total bs ...or I always run into other guys instead
I'm guessing that there are a LOT more players in game than there are on the BBS.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Why force yourself to use a hammer to screw in a nail? If you have the tool at your disposal, use it. I will headon, I'll vulch, and I'll be a low-down despical scoundrel if you let me.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Hehe, and it's 'fun'! Not necessarily fair to your prey, but fun nonetheless. ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Guppy35
This is where I'll have to disagree. This is still just a game. It's not war. No one is dying. There is no risk.
If two guys are locked in a good 1 v 1 and you dive in and grab a kill it accomplishes nothing beyond ending what may have been a good fight and learning experience for the two guys involved. If that fight goes to the end and one of them 'dies', he still gets a free plane and is right back up.
Too many folks get caught up in the "so and so lands 97 kills in their Me262" messages and all the WTGs that follow.
I'll agree it's all about fun, but that should be fun for everyone. It seems like there was a time where folks looked for the even fight. Radar and dar bars sent folks heading for the spot where the bad guys were, not where they were not. Now it seems folks look for the one where they might have the best chance to vulch a field and land a zillion kills.
That's a generalization of course but as an example last night, when I'd probably already been on too long, I bounced around to some fields that had few good guys and more bad guys, and from the tower it was always the same. The bad guys were just loitering, waiting for someone to try and up. They'd come screaming in and nail em before they got away from the runway. And these were the LA7, Niki guys.
If that's fun, then folks are setting some fairly low expectations for it :)
Dan/Slack
In an ideal world you may be correct, but as we know this is not an ideal world. For better or worse we are people playing a game that is a simulation of war. Each of us has certain things that motivates us to play. Often that particular motivator is related to attaining some form of recognition, recognition by friend and/or foe. While I am not denying the personal satisfaction that can be derived from a quality 1 vs. 1, there is a very low recognition factor associated with it and it ranks very low on the scale of risk vs. reward in terms of the potential of attaining a multi-kill sortie to land. Also, just because a fight is 1 vs. 1 does not mean it is fair. There is an almost infinite variety of 1 vs. 1 type engagements and very rarely do these fall in the same/similiar plane, co-alt, co-E merge type and as such are intrinsically unfair in some respect before the merge.
My point is, right down to the core, this game is almost guarenteed to provide you with 'unfair' encounters, both in your favor and against. When we discuss rules of engagement outside of an actual context we are divorced from reality. In reality ROE are 'situational', that is, as some have announced', our ROE are dependent upon the situation, therefore it is part of situational awareness. While player X may proclaim he never HO's, let's see what he does in a cannon plane when faced with a face shooting perk plane without cannons such as a F4u4. There is no absolute ROE, anyone who proclaims they adhere to one is either completely devoid of situational tactical awareness or lying...
In summary, if your motivation to play in the MA is derived from co-alt, co-E, same/similiar plane engagements, my condolences. ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by streetstang
The only rule is.
There are no rules.
In a squad where guys like slapshot will blast the plane to bits after I just took its tail off. (kill stealing *&^$%#$$#%&) LOL, I can't restrict myself with rules. :D
I killshooter people who do that to me ;)
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By the time I made it back to his base he was just lining up for a landing You should have heard him ranting then.
Beautiful. :aok
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Whats amazing to me is how many peeps say here they never take a HO shot....either total bs
I'm one of those who don't HO, Newbie.
Again, it's not out of some misplaced feelings of honor and nobility, I just want my plane to remain in good enough shape to move on to my next victim.
Steve
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The truth be known, no one cares how I fly unless they are being sprayed with my cannon fire.
And I don't care how anyone else flies either :)
I have one personal rule in the snake pit they call the Main Arena. And that is, "No kill is worth dying for" If I can kill you without dying myself, I will.
I'm just a razor toting psychopathic scumbag. :D
And I'll bet in you really couldn't care less. Unless of course I just sent you walking back to your hangar with your nuts in a paper bag. :rofl
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
The truth be known, no one cares how I fly unless they are being sprayed with my cannon fire.
And I don't care how anyone else flies either :)
I have one personal rule in the snake pit they call the Main Arena. And that is, "No kill is worth dying for" If I can kill you without dying myself, I will.
I'm just a razor toting psychopathic scumbag. :D
And I'll bet in you really couldn't care less. Unless of course I just sent you walking back to your hangar with your nuts in a paper bag. :rofl
The problem lies in that you doing what you want causes others with very narrow threshholds and tolerances to get their panties in a bunch. They allow you to ruin their fun instead of adapting and changing to accomodate your tactics. The, "I want 1 vs 1's in a MA with 500+ plus people!", whiners are a prime example of this phenomena.
What really keeps my interest going in these games is the fact that my human opponents adapt and change and employ wide varieties of tactics to which I also must adapt to in order to continue to remain effective. This infinitely ever-changing and dynamic play is what it's all about, something you cannot get with AI opponents. Some seem to not understand this and stubbornly adhere to one methodology getting very pissy when it is rendered obsolete by adapting foes, refusing to change and adapt to the new circumstances themselves...
Zazen
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Originally posted by lazs2
I will let a helpless plane go if I am out of ammo.
:lol
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I killshooter people who do that to me
only noobs fall for a forced kill shot.
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Originally posted by streetstang
only noobs fall for a forced kill shot.
Not only noobs do, just gotta be sneaky with vets ;-)
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there are rules of engagement here?
I am with Dan/slack/Tiff on the :
It seems like there was a time where folks looked for the even fight. Radar and dar bars sent folks heading for the spot where the bad guys were, not where they were not.
Some of us are here for the shear enjoyment we get out of having basically even fights, Dan was not talking even as in co-alt/co-E/ duel type fights, least I don't read it that way.
I read it as even being 1 to 1, or 2 to 3 ,or 1 to 2 ,or 2 to1, or 3 to 4 type even fights 1 side may be a smidge higher or lower than the other, but not 10K and massively outnumbering the opposing team. To me that is pure boredom and annoying, where is the fun in that type of action..........it's like monkey see monkey do nowadays in the MA ( actually has been that way for sometime since alil while back before AH1 switched over to AH2.......VOD syndrom set in for some. Then it started playing that Merle Haggard song rolling down hill, some of you know what I mean.
as we travel further along in life all this will change, maybe for the better but probably for the worst, (at least in the old old players minds), the new guys will think that is how things are and accept them.
I refer everyone to 2 quotes by 2 of my squadmates
DmdChief: "Have the courage to step up and lead, and the public will follow."
NB : " If it ain't fun don't do it"
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
ROE
there are rules of engagement here?
I am with Dan/slack/Tiff on the :
Some of us are here for the shear enjoyment we get out of having basically even fights, Dan was not talking even as in co-alt/co-E/ duel type fights, least I don't read it that way.
I read it as even being 1 to 1, or 2 to 3 ,or 1 to 2 ,or 2 to1, or 3 to 4 type even fights 1 side may be a smidge higher or lower than the other, but not 10K and massively outnumbering the opposing team. To me that is pure boredom and annoying, where is the fun in that type of action..........it's like monkey see monkey do nowadays in the MA ( actually has been that way for sometime since alil while back before AH1 switched over to AH2.......VOD syndrom set in for some. Then it started playing that Merle Haggard song rolling down hill, some of you know what I mean.
as we travel further along in life all this will change, maybe for the better but probably for the worst, (at least in the old old players minds), the new guys will think that is how things are and accept them.
I refer everyone to 2 quotes by 2 of my squadmates
DmdChief: "Have the courage to step up and lead, and the public will follow."
NB : " If it ain't fun don't do it"
Exactly TC , some folks just don't get it.
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I second TCs statement.
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Never ever HO, because HO sucks.
This is ofcourse allways true, exept if the enemy is in a JET...
262 are JET planes, and they are very very fast.
There might also be other planes that are JET planes.
If unsure if the enemy is in a JET plane or not, then its ok to HO.
Also if you can see, and be 100% sure, that the enemy plane is NOT a JET, then its also ok to HO.
PS.
I dont like HO.
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for once i think you've swung off the mark urchin
the majority of times ive flown with and agaist the JBs they have flown with the same passion as any other reckless lonny.
ive upped from capped fields with 42, 73, 71....infact most of em (cant remember the damn numbers)
Burnout comes not from honourable ROE, it comes from a lack of creativity from the individual.
you make the game what it is, nobody else is to blame if you're not having fun.
theres plenty of decent folk still playing every day.
my personal ROE:
never HO, even after the 'merge'.
i often get beaten after the first immleman on a merge with a decent stick because i refuse to go striaght for that second merge HO.
fly how you are, and be who you are in the air, on the ground, at sea, whatever.
If you are a tard then be a tard.
if you're not, then dont complain that someguys are honest enough to admit 'I am a skilless tard'.
just have fun.