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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Siaf__csf on February 16, 2005, 01:20:40 PM
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Sounds interesting doesn't it?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/14/eveningnews/main674120.shtml
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they need to mull getting thier heads examined.
just what we need. more taxes.
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The system could also track how often you drive during rush hour and charge higher fees to discourage peak use. That's an idea that could break the bottleneck on California's freeways.
THAT is fluffied up!
how the F we supposed to get to work? "sorry boss, can't drive in at 8 anymore, how's starting at 10 sound?"
if that ever goes into effect, it is the end of my faith in any common sence in the united states
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yeah end the bottle neck by making it so people cant affort to go to work.
I swear the Cali state legislature sucks ass.
I hate this damn state.
On top of that they are not going to give this GPS tracking BS away. You will have to buy it.
They will prolly use this to force hotrods of the road too. Cant buy gas without the GPS puter, sorry guys.
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Well dont forget the positive points of a system like this, we could also use it to track terrorists. Oh ya and issue speeding tickets.
shamus
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dry. shamus. very very dry.
:aok
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****ing communists
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There is not positive to this.
They already don't maintain the roads well. Road projects in the bay area take 4 times longer then they should.
This is the dumb bellybutton legislature finding one more way to mess this state up.
Bet your bellybutton if this go in, they will forget to take the current gas taxes off as well.
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They want you to use public transportation.. DUH!
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mrrrrrrriiiiiiiiight.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
They want you to use public transportation.. DUH!
yeah, that filthy, gum on the seats - puke in the corner - smelly people all over bus that stops 10 miles from my house, an hour and a half before i really go to work is going to get my business at $2.50 a ride 1 way for a 16 mile trip.
riiiiiiight
"public" transportation. it's for poor welfare collecting people with credit so bad they can't get a library card.
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I can just see it happen..
The travel tax report comes. Your wife opens the envelope.
Honey.. I was just looking through the tax report. Why is the report showing that you have driven to Sharons address every tuesday when you have your bowling session?
BUSTED!
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Maybe you can get premium services if regular people start to use them JB.
Are your buses really that bad? Yikes.. They weren't that bad even in russia.
Well ok, the hull filled up with fumes from the motor and many of the seats were loose etc..
But no gum (they didn't have much hehe) and definately on puke (I guess they didn't want to waste food.) :aok
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I am with JB 73 on the big to public transportation. It is over crowded. Stinky. Slow. and sucks.
**** public transportation.
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i have ridden a milwaukee city bus 1 time in my life, and a commuter bus 1 time also.
something i will never do again.
granted the commuter bus was to a music festeval, so the puke was probably from some over-eager partier.
the gum was on 3 seats i counted, 1 lump was so big it looked like a whole pack of bubble gum was chewed at one time, must have been 5 inches across and 1/4 inch thick in some places.
the city bus had and elderly minority that smelled so bad i was secretly retching even on the other end of the bus. let alone the overall filth. i felt i needed to burn my clothes, and boil my hands to sanitize them
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i just dont think that it is about that...not for one lilly livered minute.
the thing is...if they were to provide good public transportation, then people would use it. in a smog infested tar town it is a responsible thing to do...not to mention what it can do for saving the hassle of traffic jams.
but please oh please...dont try to tell me that would be taxing me for my own good. no. no. no. (x infinity) (squared and topped with pretty little NEGATORY)
i pay enough as it is and i dont want to give government another dime until they pull thier collective heads out of thier arses and start learning how to balance a frooking budget and quit blowing cash on world domination.
(pant pant)
MMRRRRRAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHNNNNN!
ahem.
i digress.
:)
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I might buy the idea if they were basing registration fees on mileage. Instead of a convoluded mess involving GPS trackers in every car and having no idea what you're going to pay for gas when you get to the pump. ODOT should pull their heads out; it's bad enough they won't raise the freeway speed above 65MPH.
Also, I think we should have a new rule: You are ineligeable in Oregon for state office or public employ above worker bee if you were born in Kalifornia. Plus, we should stop all immigration from Kalifornia immediately. Maybe set up a wall at the border with barbed wire and land mines.
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almost forgot.
the day that they track my movements by GPS will be the day that it is registered over my,cold, clutching at thier freakin eyeballs, torn apart by some robots body.
:)
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Originally posted by SOB
I might buy the idea if they were basing registration fees on mileage. Instead of a convoluded mess involving GPS trackers in every car and...
I think we should pay highway tax based upon how much fuel we use. If I had a Hummer 1 that got 8 miles to gallon, I should pay more than somebody in a hybrid getting 60+. Maybe a tax on each gallon of fuel. I wonder what the start-up cost of that system would be?
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"public" transportation. it's for poor welfare collecting people with credit so bad they can't get a library card.
Holy **** 73, that is assinine and you know it. Screw your stereotypes. Here's another one: You are a sheltered-suburbanite-racist moron. Take off your black and white goggles. Non-urban *******s think they see the big picture oh-so easily. And you wonder why racism and class segregation exists... of course not with you.
Siaf, it certainly isn't that bad, but public mass transport is nowhere comparable to that of Europe, Germany in particular (which I have used).
Public transportation may blow goats, but it *is* an option that may people depend on, not only the poor that 73 speaks of. But there isn't anything I hate more than the Milwaukee County bus drivers. Why even have turn signals and gigantic mirrors if they're gonna cut you off and force you into oncoming traffic anyway?
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There already is a tax on each gallon of fuel.
The problem with taxing how much fuel you use is that while you hurt those that desperately need to be hurt, soccer moms driving their death wagons while applying makeup, yelling at their kids, and talking on the cell phone, you really hurt the industries that need large vehicles to stay afloat. Construction, delivery, ect.
Catch 22.
-SW
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I think we should pay highway tax based upon how much fuel we use. If I had a Hummer 1 that got 8 miles to gallon, I should pay more than somebody in a hybrid getting 60+. Maybe a tax on each gallon of fuel. I wonder what the start-up cost of that system would be?
LOL, that could work too I suppose. I was just stipulating that if something was going to change, I might be agreeable to a mileage-based registration fee schedule.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
There already is a tax on each gallon of fuel.
I think he was using the sarcasm. ;)
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I think we should pay highway tax based upon how much fuel we use. If I had a Hummer 1 that got 8 miles to gallon, I should pay more than somebody in a hybrid getting 60+. Maybe a tax on each gallon of fuel. I wonder what the start-up cost of that system would be?
Maybe a better way would be if you have a car thet gets great mileage you should pay by the mile, poor mileage pays by the gallon, best of both worlds.
shamus
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
There already is a tax on each gallon of fuel.
Really? :rolleyes: Good call SOB
...you really hurt the industries that need large vehicles to stay afloat. Construction, delivery, ect.
Catch 22.
-SW
Large vehicles tend to wear the infrastructure more than an Insight. Big commercial vehicles pay PUC tax.
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Originally posted by SOB
I think he was using the sarcasm. ;)
I see.
Brains working on the level of MrBlack today, not the sharpest spoon in the drawer.
-SW
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The reason this GPS BS started to come up in Oregon is that, believe it or not, the bozos in Salem (No offense SOB) thought they would lose highway tax if fuel milage got better. They actually saw high fuel efficiency as a problem.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Really? :rolleyes:
Two demerits for the use of the gay rolleyes smilie! You disgust me.
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I had to do something to point out sarcasm. Half my jokes on this BBS go unrequited
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I understand the reasoning, but there's still no excuse. I guess I'll let you off with a warning this time. Next time, I'll let loose with my full BBS Hall Monitor powers!
And no offence taken...there are plenty of bozos in Salem. Just a couple of weeks ago, one of our fabulous state senators gallantly heeded the call of voters who were, for some reason, upset over the braindead law creating the 24hr 20MPH speed zones near schools. She was, of course, in the paper touting the fact that she was introducing this bill to get it reversed, and that she was the first one to do it. Of course, she also voted for the braindead bill in the first place, and upon the initial public reaction after the braindead bill passed and was publicised, she was quoted in the paper saying "duh, we uh didn't really read enough into this bill before voting it in" (I'm paraphrasing).
Another genius in the state senate is trying to change the drivers licenses again, and to require fingerprints on 'em.
Too bad that guy with the knife didn't have more modivation. ;)
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If we just required legal resident status for a driver's license, we wouldn't need to change, but I think we are one of the 10 or so states that the new bill going thru the Fed congress will affect.
If we do not change the security of our state ID's, we won't be able to use them to get on a plane. We will have to use a passport to fly out of state.
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Oct, it's more than that, that is just an "effect" phrase.
notice what i said about the freeway flyer. 16 mile trip. about a 1/2 gallon of gas to drive it, and i dont have to go to work @ 6:30 AM when i start at 8.
the whole thing about the milwaukee public system is a crock. there is nothing fast about it, there is nothing that is more convinenent about it like they try and say, there is nothing clean about it, and other than giving money away to hassel your life i see no reason to consider it as a viable option.
other large cities have train systems. i have used the train in atlanta many times, and it is quick and easy, and generally clean and safe.
the real problem is in milwaukee a system like that would not work. everything is too spread out to make it feasable. you'd need 10 different lines, and 50 stops on each line for the usage to be a moderate volume.
if you were to make it like that, the ammount of stops and number of train changes would make it a longer commute then and it would not get nearly the ammount of usage.
i tell you milwaukee is one weird, backward-arse, annoying city compared to most of the other major metropolis in the country. every where i have gone, the people who travel say milwaukee is "nice" but too hard to get around, not enough accomdations for business travlers, and dirty.
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Surprise!
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The only way I'm up for a tax on driving is if it gets all those slow drivers out of my way. I could get so much more done on the weekends if I didn't have to sit behind ma and pa kettle as they figure out which road has less bumps and a better view.
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Why don't we leap and bound to the enivitable and shove these Ground Positioning Devices up everybodys prettythanges. That way BIG Brother will know where everybodys been....it would solve kidnappings, help solve homicides, runaways... wild orgies.
:aok
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
****ing communists
This is the opposite. The communist way is to make everyone pay the same amount for using the roads. Making people pay taxes relative to the amount of roads they use is something else. ;)
...and oh by the way, if the state wanted to tax you based on your odometer they could do so today and without using GPS. Your odometer is read for each smog check and this data is sent to the state.
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Public transportation may blow goats, but it *is* an option that may people depend on, not only the poor that 73 speaks of. But there isn't anything I hate more than the Milwaukee County bus drivers. Why even have turn signals and gigantic mirrors if they're gonna cut you off and force you into oncoming traffic anyway?
Don't get me started on the RTD bus drivers here in the Denver metro area. :mad:
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how about trying something really radical, like living closer to where you work?
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Originally posted by Octavius
Holy **** 73, that is assinine and you know it. Screw your stereotypes. Here's another one: You are a sheltered-suburbanite-racist moron. Take off your black and white goggles. Non-urban *******s think they see the big picture oh-so easily. And you wonder why racism and class segregation exists... of course not with you.
Siaf, it certainly isn't that bad, but public mass transport is nowhere comparable to that of Europe, Germany in particular (which I have used).
Public transportation may blow goats, but it *is* an option that may people depend on, not only the poor that 73 speaks of. But there isn't anything I hate more than the Milwaukee County bus drivers. Why even have turn signals and gigantic mirrors if they're gonna cut you off and force you into oncoming traffic anyway?
My dad drives 3 miles to a bus stop, then commutes 45 miles on a bus each way. He says its a lot nicer than driving, since he saves on gas (if he buys a monthly pass) and he can read/do a crossword/etc. during the commute.
Seems like a solid option to me. There's the occasional weirdo he says, but nothing terrible.
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Exactly. In this case it works. And in many cases it works. I used my Upass (compensated public transportation included with tuition) for a few months to get to and from class one semester... roughly 10 miles one way. A ton of reading accomplished in the 40 minute ride.
"Occasional weirdo" hehe, they give the ride some flavor. Ever talk to one? :) Not so 'weird' once you introduce yourself. Had a twitching dude named Larry ride the same seat every day.
And 73, it's not completely backwards; it gets the job done... a little inefficient. We've built ourselves into horrible transit problems. The defense highway system allowed for very quick access to various places via autos. Now, we've built around that system and we *need* that outdated, ill-maintained system. Businesses and places of interest are spread out all over hell. If you don't or can't own an automobile, you're **** out of luck in our area. It is incredibly difficult to dig ourselves out of this hole because of the sheer amount of renovation necessary.
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Interesting:
- I already pay tax by the kilometer, in NZ diesel is untaxed at the pump (except the gst bit), and you pay per km.
- I already offset my driving times. We hardly have the same problems you guys do, but during peak I takes me 45 mins to do a 15 min drive. So I leave home at 9.15ish now, get to work 9.30 and leave at a later time. (it also suits me as I deal with Aussie, Hong Kong, and Singapore who are a couple of hours behind us).
Public transportation may blow goats, but it *is* an option that may people depend on, not only the poor that 73 speaks of. But there isn't anything I hate more than the Milwaukee County bus drivers. Why even have turn signals and gigantic mirrors if they're gonna cut you off and force you into oncoming traffic anyway?
Bus drivers are the same all around the world.
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Hey SOB,
Want to start an initative petition to stop the state from wasting any more money on this? Or maybe you know of one already running around somewhere?
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Any of you guys actually tried driving a bus in traffic?
If it wasn't for all the self centred morons in cars who have no clue about how a large vehicle drives/handles/brakes, it would be a breeze, as it is, all those morons with no clue make it a nerve wracking ***** of a job.
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I drive a fairly large truck and I know how difficult it can be... well on the tarmac where 757s have the right of way regardless... I have respect for the drivers of long haulers, movers, and other industrial sized rigs on the roads and highways. But when I make eye contact, a nod, a gesture, or some other form of communication with some bus drivers and they still want to ram my ass, I draw the line. :)
Example: Bus is pulled at a stop and I am maybe 50 yards behind it. I can see passengers boarding/exiting. Bus has flashers on to signal this. I can see the driver through his mirror as I am well to his side. I make contact, slow, I eggagerate a wide go-around... as I'm 3/4 the way past, he guns it and forces me into the other lane and slam on my brakes. I mean come on... I slow down to allow them to take off ahead of me... and they wait. I make it obvious I'm going around (as they are stopped!), and they cut me off. Two way street here...
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Originally posted by JB73
yeah, that filthy, gum on the seats - puke in the corner - smelly people all over bus that stops 10 miles from my house, an hour and a half before i really go to work is going to get my business at $2.50 a ride 1 way for a 16 mile trip.
"public" transportation. it's for poor welfare collecting people with credit so bad they can't get a library card.
73, I am apalled at this. Come on man, keep this watermelon private amongst your friends and / or family, please. You know, there may come a day where you might be poor, need a hand, when you get pushed down in life. Come on, you're too young to harbor this chit.
Originally posted by Octavius Holy **** 73, that is assinine and you know it. Screw your stereotypes. Here's another one: You are a sheltered-suburbanite-racist moron. Take off your black and white goggles. Non-urban *******s think they see the big picture oh-so easily. And you wonder why racism and class segregation exists... of course not with you.
Public transportation may blow goats, but it *is* an option that may people depend on, not only the poor that 73 speaks of. But there isn't anything I hate more than the Milwaukee County bus drivers. Why even have turn signals and gigantic mirrors if they're gonna cut you off and force you into oncoming traffic anyway?
I agree with you Octavious.
Karaya
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Public transportation in this country traditionally has been so bad that there is a negative stigma attached to using it anywhere outside of NYC or Hawaii.
Maybe that's an unfortunate statement about us.
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Originally posted by Suave
Public transportation in this country traditionally has been so bad that there is a negative stigma attached to using it anywhere outside of NYC or Hawaii.
I agree. I remember living in CT and telling my colleagues I got the bus to work. I got some very strange looks.
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I wonder if you can earn frequent driver points.
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Whatever happened to Jetpacks and cool hoverboards like Back to the Future II!
Hovering Delorianes and self walking dogs self drying jacket,self adjusting sneakers, Chaffe less leather apparel?
I want MR Fusion! I want Cold Fusion using waste material and travel 88mph and go to the 1880s and fight Mad Dog call myself Clint Eastwood and go back to the year 1985!
Wait I was 3 in '85
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