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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: RTStuka on February 16, 2005, 06:11:02 PM
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I always thought, if I was elected president what would I do as far as helping bring back America the great. I mean what would my ideas and platform be to solving all the issues we face. After hours of thought this is what I have come up with.
The first thing I would do is close many of the foreign military bases around the world. Then i would build numerous new military bases here in the U.S.. Many of them would be placed along the U.S. mexico border to help with the illegal immigration issue. Plus as an added bonus the construction of all these bases would lead to job creation in numerous areas. This would aslo lead to better economic situations where these bases were built. As for the lack of response time by the U.S. military I would say lets beef up the Navy. By doing this I believe that you could aslo stimulate job growth by the need for new Navy ships that need to be constructed.
Now on to the home front, obviously the war on drug is a huge issue. Here are my thoughts, drugs are illegal now so yes if you use drugs and get caught then you get in trouble. But I ask why are they illegal, I mean how much do we spend on trying to eliminate something that we will never be able to stop. Yes you keep up progarms such as D.A.R.E. and other Anti Drug messeges but by leagalizing them and Taxing the living shat out of them we can start to make a profit.
I also think we need to take a look at big business. This is the heart and sole that this country has been based on and we can not eliminate it but we do need to keep them in check so that they do not run the country.
The next issue is the Government, I mean as a people we need to make sure that this government does not become more than what it was meant for. The united states is supposed to be run by people who are the voice for the rest but I feel that we are moving in the direction of a government that is operating under the assumption that they are the only voice and that the people do not matter. The biggest solution I see to this issue is removing the connection between money and government.
Well these are just a few of my starting platforms in my run for president in 2020. So what does everyone think, you gonna vote for me. :D
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I can foresee you will never be a president or even a congress member :D
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Dammit. :D
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"The first thing I would do is close many of the foreign military bases around the world"
Thus eliminating any influence you will have on world affairs (good or bad)
You'd be like france. All talk, no teeth, always afraid to lose and forced to bribe others so they dont see you in a bad light.
"Then i would build numerous new military bases here in the U.S.. Many of them would be placed along the U.S. mexico border to help with the illegal immigration issue. Plus as an added bonus the construction of all these bases would lead to job creation in numerous areas. This would aslo lead to better economic situations where these bases were built."
Thus alienating a foreign government with which you have big economic interests with; the jobs you create will most likely be manned by the mexicans that live along the border (since civilian jobs will be mostly manual labor).
"As for the lack of response time by the U.S. military I would say lets beef up the Navy. By doing this I believe that you could aslo stimulate job growth by the need for new Navy ships that need to be constructed."
Ships are in service for many many decades, you would only accomplish economic benefits until the ships are built, then the cow dries up. Response time? you still need to move troops from the mainland to whatever hot spot in the world.. so no matter what it will be a month or more 'response time'. Not every nation is accessible by sea or in range of a carrier group either btw.
"But I ask why are they illegal, I mean how much do we spend on trying to eliminate something that we will never be able to stop. Yes you keep up progarms such as D.A.R.E. and other Anti Drug messeges but by leagalizing them and Taxing the living shat out of them we can start to make a profit. "
Legalizing them with a heavy tax only makes the illegal market sell them cheaper without tax... and you'd still be stuck with the effects drugs have on society...only that it will affect a whole lotta more people.
"The biggest solution I see to this issue is removing the connection between money and government."
Youve been watching too much star trek. Geek ;)
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1. Withdraw troops from foreign bases and return them to the border.
2. Attack the drug abuse problem
3. Campaign / Budget / etc. finance reform.
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Okay, so your foreign policy is to not have one?
I had a sure fire solution to the illegal drug abuse problem, without legalization, but I think there might be a small flaw.
The solution is to reduce the demand to nil. This is done by interdicting the supply, poisoning it, and then returning it to the pipeline. Within six months, the demand would be virtually eliminated.
I may still have a bug or two in the plan.
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BADNARIK '04!!!1~`1`one
oh, uh oops.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Okay, so your foreign policy is to not have one?
he speak about politics... he doesnt have to do what he say.... the only important thing is to explain his steps.
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Legalizing them with a heavy tax only makes the illegal market sell them cheaper without tax... and you'd still be stuck with the effects drugs have on society...only that it will affect a whole lotta more people.
Holland has done this. Initially they had a higher drug abuse rate but iirc that has tapered off and they now have a lower drug abuse rate than before drugs were made legal.
What I find confusing is that certain drugs like alcohol and nicotine are legal and others are illegal.
If I were elected President I would close ALL military bases outside of America's borders and move all units home. I would do things to encourage manufacturers to keep their plants in America instead of moving them to 3rd world countries. I would downsize our military. Instead of our military being a *reaction force able to deploy anywhere in the world in a matter of a few days* it would be a defense force.
I would sponsor legislation to make it criminal for the media to knowingly present false information.
I would also immediately stop ALL foreign aid. I would first use those funds to pay off the national debt, then I would use those funds to fight poverty and crime.
I would actively promote alternative fuel programs to eliminate our dependence on the middle east for oil.
I would also kick the UN out of America and withdraw from the UN body.
Actually the first thing I think I would do is deport Billary Clinton heh.
Thats my list for starters :)
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Originally posted by Elfie
Holland has done this. Initially they had a higher drug abuse rate but iirc that has tapered off and they now have a lower drug abuse rate than before drugs were made legal.
What I find confusing is that certain drugs like alcohol and nicotine are legal and others are illegal.
If I were elected President I would close ALL military bases outside of America's borders and move all units home. I would do things to encourage manufacturers to keep their plants in America instead of moving them to 3rd world countries. I would downsize our military. Instead of our military being a *reaction force able to deploy anywhere in the world in a matter of a few days* it would be a defense force.
I would sponsor legislation to make it criminal for the media to knowingly present false information.
I would also immediately stop ALL foreign aid. I would first use those funds to pay off the national debt, then I would use those funds to fight poverty and crime.
I would actively promote alternative fuel programs to eliminate our dependence on the middle east for oil.
I would also kick the UN out of America and withdraw from the UN body.
Actually the first thing I think I would do is deport Billary Clinton heh.
Thats my list for starters :)
Ladies and Gentleman I think I have found my Vice Presidential canidate. :aok
Oh I forgot to mention that I would also build military bases along the U.S. Canada border. With that countries 10 months of winter they have way to much time on their hand and I am sure they are up to something.
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Ladies and Gentleman I think I have found my Vice Presidential canidate.
:rofl
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Thus eliminating any influence you will have on world affairs (good or bad)
You'd be like france. All talk, no teeth, always afraid to lose and forced to bribe others so they dont see you in a bad light.
Isn't America's influence what everyone else in the world gripes about? Eliminating that influence would be a good thing imo.
Be like France???? NEVAH!! More like FDR said, walk softly but carry a big stick.Legalizing them with a heavy tax only makes the illegal market sell them cheaper without tax... and you'd still be stuck with the effects drugs have on society...only that it will affect a whole lotta more people.
No heavy tax here, just a tax, sales tax might be enough. Use the proceeds to treat drug addicts and run anti drug ad campaigns.
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"Holland has done this. Initially they had a higher drug abuse rate but iirc that has tapered off and they now have a lower drug abuse rate than before drugs were made legal. "
tapered off? Or more likely ceased to be reported as drug abuse. Remember once things become part of daily life they cease to be considered a 'problem'.
Like alchohol and tobacco for example. You dont consider someone getting drunk or smoking 2 packs a day to be an addict... mainly because the effects of those 2 drugs arent as serious as heroin or cocaine. But they are there.
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Originally posted by Elfie
Be like France???? NEVAH!! More like FDR said, walk softly but carry a big stick.
Could not have said it better myself, I may have not stated it correctly, but I was not speaking of using a policy of isolation. What I was refering to was pulling our troops and bases out of areas which have voiced strong opostion against us. I also believe we need to stop being such a policing agent for the world. I dont mean that we will just let the world do what it wants, but we whould examine every case individually and base our decison to get involved on how much it will effect us. If two countries get into a dispute we could step in as an arbitrator and not take sides. That way we can monitor the situation but not appear to be a force working for either faction.
I woud also encourgge open talks with the North Koreans that would hopefully work towards a nuclear back off on both sides.
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Thanks Oct, I knew it was one of the Roosevelt's :D
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I was positive that "Speak softly, carry a big stick" was Teddy, but some sources replace "Speak" with "Walk," so I killed my post before I could confirm :cool:.
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Originally posted by Octavius
I was positive that "Speak softly, carry a big stick" was Teddy, but some sources replace "Speak" with "Walk," so I killed my post before I could confirm :cool:.
You're probably right again, and I probably need to take American History 101 all over again ;)
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Any of you guys sound as if you'd be better than this idiot!
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Who's this "angelfire" lad?
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Originally posted by Elfie
Holland has done this. Initially they had a higher drug abuse rate but iirc that has tapered off and they now have a lower drug abuse rate than before drugs were made legal.
Rubbish.
Holland legalised marijuana, nothing else, just marijuana. And yeah, the only issue the Dutch now have with marijuana abuse is dealing with all the doped up American tourists who seem to think they can smoke the Dutch stuff neat like they do back home and not end up in hospital being prescribed valium.
In no other city in the world have I been offered cocaine, E, heroin and LSD by 4 different people while walking the length of a street 100 yards long. There's back streets in Amsterdam merely feet from main tourist areas that you cant walk down without stepping on a used needle.
Back in the 1990s the Dutch police tried a major undercover operation to infiltrate the smugglers........lots of money was put into the operation and some success was seen simply due to the fact that the undercover officers could easily arrange for border guards, etc, to be looking the other way. In fact the infiltration was so successful that when the operation was finally shut down the actual amount of cocaine/heroin being imported to Holland fell by 75% overnight. Now read that last sentance again.
That's right. The Dutch police were importing 75% of the hard drugs in the country. And no arrests were made either.
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Originally posted by Elfie
Be like France???? NEVAH!! More like FDR said, walk softly but carry a big stick.
Umm that was Teddy Roosevelt
Now THERE was a man
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Originally posted by RTStuka
As for the lack of response time by the U.S. military I would say lets beef up the Navy. By doing this I believe that you could aslo stimulate job growth by the need for new Navy ships that need to be constructed.
We definately need a smaller, more trim Navy.. but ironicaly, that doesn't fly with the admiralty. Keep in mind these are the same people that demanded there be a paint locker on a ship that doesn't use paint, and had a hard time finding anybody to command the first stealth ship because it had a crew of a dozen. Kelly Johnson of the Skunkworks always said don't deal with the Navy. Ben Rich didn't listen & learned his lesson =P
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Who's this "angelfire" lad?
Just looked it up
series of pictures.
1 was a picture of GW Bush. the rest looked to be ZULU7 and his immediate family
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:rofl :rofl
I just pinch the pics from google image searches. I tried posting my own but this BBs doesn't seem to accept them and just puts up the code. So until I have em loaded on a site this BBs likes I'll have to keep raiding.
Now back to the possible candidates to replace that Bush monkey.:rofl
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I guess I was waaaaaaaay out in left field on Hollands drug policies.....heck, I dont think I was even in the ballpark. :rofl
I was under the impression that Holland had legalized all manner of drugs and that their drug abuse rate had fallen after initially going up. Probably read some bogus information on it along time ago.
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19990501faessay982/larry-collins/holland-s-half-baked-drug-experiment.html
Thanks for getting me back on track Swoop ;)
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Wow, the complete lack of economical unawareness astounds me.
1.) If we pull out military bases from around the world, the world will not see America as being as strong as it is. Then foreign investors will not invest in america. (-1 Economy).
2.) If we stop factories from moving out of the country, the price for everything would triple, the dollar value will fall, we would have less people working and more people bankrupt (-5 economy).
3.) If you cut off foreign aid, those people who invest in this country will cut off their money flow. (-1 Economy).
Now, this doesn't mean we can't redirect the foreign aid to those that help us or those that truly need it.
On a non economical issue, the reason drugs are banned is not because of what it does to the person himself, but what that person does to other people. I couldn't give two flying ****s if you decide to shoot 5 KG's of heroine into your arm at one time. The moment you step out of that door, you will not be acting normally, nor will you have a clear and sane mind.
The only intelligent thing said in this post so far is Mr. McGroin's idea to poison incoming drug supplies and just let it go through.
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Wow sailor its so refreshing to see some one post a logical response, unfortunatly yours didnt do any of those. If you have not noticed people are already starting to slow their investment in america and the dollar is already droping in value under the current plan. I never stated that you would want to stop all foreign trade because obviously thats not smart. What needs to be done is thta we dont let foreign countries start controlling our survival in the technology and manufacturing world.
As for you amazing stance on the drugs tell me the difference between the guy who injects heroin and walks outside to the guy who drinks his face off and walks outside.
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1.) If we pull out military bases from around the world, the world will not see America as being as strong as it is. Then foreign investors will not invest in america. (-1 Economy).
Pulling ALL our troops home and downsizing our military to what is needed for defensive purposes only would save us a ton of tax dollars every year.
2.) If we stop factories from moving out of the country, the price for everything would triple, the dollar value will fall, we would have less people working and more people bankrupt (-5 economy).
If we DONT stop our factories from moving overseas our capability to manufacture things will drastically reduce, making our trade deficit even worse than it currently is. The more factories that move overseas the more Americans that lose their jobs.
3.) If you cut off foreign aid, those people who invest in this country will cut off their money flow. (-1 Economy).
We have a huge national debt. It isnt smart to toss money around to other countries when our gov't has to borrow money to make ends meet. Take care of our own people first, then if there is cash left over, give as much away as you like.
We have American's who are homeless, American's who are poverty stricken, help those people before helping people in other countries imo.
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As for you amazing stance on the drugs tell me the difference between the guy who injects heroin and walks outside to the guy who drinks his face off and walks outside.
There is no difference really. Both are drugs, both impair your abilities, both mental and physical. One is socially acceptable, the other isnt.
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You dont consider someone getting drunk or smoking 2 packs a day to be an addict...
I don't? I thought I did. And I do. :eek:
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No, if the factories stay here, there will be people to work at them.
However! ALL PRICES WILL BE TRIPLE! The factory itself would only be able to staff 1/3 of what it would need. Those few people who would work at the factory wouldn't be able to buy ANYTHING ANYWAY.
Guys, i'm not pulling insane economic theories out of my bellybutton here. These are ECONOMIC BASICS!
If you decide to balance the budget instead of the economy, the economy will nosedive faster then it did in 1929. This is one good reason why John Kerry wasn't elected president. If he actually did what he said he was going to do, we would all have no money, be working at coal mines for 20 hours a day.
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There are factories still here in America but prices on those products arent tripling. Move all our factories offshore and hundreds of thousands of Americans WONT have jobs OR money.
Those few people that would work at the factory? Many people are still jobless (including myself). I was working in a factory as a temporary employee, that factory is FULLY staffed and working overtime on a weekly basis. There are plenty of people who are willing to work in factories.
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A company moves a factory off shore because the price of using American people to staff it for the price they sell at is not worth it. It happens when the company needs it to happen. Some factories aren't huge, nor do they need to outsource to make a profit.
Before you post in this post again, I'd suggest you pick up an economics book before you really embarass yourself.
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Its embarrass not embarass I guess you need a dictionary to go with your economics book.
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Originally posted by Elfie
I guess I was waaaaaaaay out in left field on Hollands drug policies.....heck, I dont think I was even in the ballpark. :rofl
Same thing applies to your interpretation of the guns situation in Britain. But I won't bring it up here. :aok
I have watched a guy shooting heroin in a shop doorway in Amsterdam. Like Swoop, I've also been offered E and "coca" just walking down the street. It goes without saying that you've always been able to get marijuana and smoke it without being harassed by the police. You don't even need to do that - just go to any of the bars nearby the banana club, and inhale deeply. M is so freely available that I've not seen it offered on the street. Why bother? That would be like offering to sell normal cigarettes on the street. No point - you can get them anywhere.
Normally, I'm polite to trades people selling me stuff I don't want. In the case of these street drug dealers I say "no, ***k off". They seem OK about that, and simply go in search of another customer.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
A company moves a factory off shore because the price of using American people to staff it for the price they sell at is not worth it. It happens when the company needs it to happen. Some factories aren't huge, nor do they need to outsource to make a profit.
Before you post in this post again, I'd suggest you pick up an economics book before you really embarass yourself.
You seem to think it's ok for our manufacturing jobs to all move overseas. That defy's logic. Every country needs to manufacture items for consumption and trade. People also need jobs.
It doesnt always happen when a company needs it to either. Many times its done simply to increase profits, not because of any need.
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A company doesn't exist if it doesn't make a profit. Err, it doesn't want to exist if it doesn't make a profit.
Just a further note:
Wow, insulting my spelling already? Usually you hold off on admitting you lost until a few pages in.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
A company doesn't exist if it doesn't make a profit. Err, it doesn't want to exist if it doesn't make a profit.
Just a further note:
Wow, insulting my spelling already? Usually you hold off on admitting you lost until a few pages in.
Of course companies need to make a profit to exist :p It's about making those companies more effiecent. The last factory I was working in makes medical supplies. The dept I worked in made these electrode return pads at a rate of 20,000 per shift. There were 65 people in that dept, the labor costs per unit are minimal.
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Originally posted by RTStuka
Its embarrass
It's embarrass:D
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Originally posted by thrila
It's embarrass:D
LOL damn you