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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on February 17, 2005, 11:51:37 AM
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...for my own actions.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/02/16/news_6118699.html
Ridiculous.
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People actually accept responsibility for their actions in this century? Nooo! Must not! Thousands of trial attorneys need the work!
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when i was a child. i played with woodchips. it was good enough for me dammit!
lol.
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like i said in my thread, impressioinable minds should NOT play games like that...
sad thing is they may have a case:
where Thompson is said to have bought both M-rated games while under the ESRB-mandated 17-year-old purchase age.
for that alone someone is going to get into trouble
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Originally posted by LePaul
People actually accept responsibility for their actions in this century?
that would be un-American in a Liberal America.
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Parents are to blame when things like this happen..
Video Games give Ideas granted, but so do books, other people, and movies..
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I wanna know how that game "trained" this dope to take a gun away from a cop?
And how a cop managed to let him get his gun
Yanno its strange. I like alot of other kids used to watch the threee stooges Yet I dont remember many stories of kid hitting each other on the head with things like sledgehammers.
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sorry but I Will never buy that a video game made some car theif kill cops. This is this guys loser family trying to make a $ off a tradgedy. Let me ask this where was his family while this kid "trained" play GTA?Now they want to sue cause he played it. Its all about bad parenting or just plain rotten kids.
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How many of us watched the Roadrunner cartoon? That is one of the most violent shows ever on TV. Something bad happens to Wile E Coyote like every 5 or 6 seconds on that show on average. It didnt mess us up.
Otoh someone IS gonna have to pay big $ because he bought that game while under the age of 17. At least thats what the article implies.
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Originally posted by Raider179
This is this guys loser family trying to make a $ off a tradgedy. Let me ask this where was his family while this kid "trained" play GTA?Now they want to sue cause he played it. Its all about bad parenting or just plain rotten kids.
It's the victims next of kin that are chasing the lawsuit, .not the kids family.
Is AL a death sentence state? If not, it should be. Let him finish out his "video game" reality strapped to a table after a few months of being raped in prison.
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I dunno.. I know a lot of kids were "trained" how to fight by Mortal Kombat... had two kids get their hearts ripped out of their chests in the cafeteria while another student got on the intercom screaming "FINISH HIM!"
This other kid used to cut in line by shooting this little grappling hook out of his wrist and yelling "GET OVER HERE!"
Freaky **** man... freaky ****.
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Look its a big difference between "Roadrunner" cartoons, "Tom and Jerry" and the like and people who market a video game thast celebrates every low life scumbag in our society, turns them into heroes and glamourises killing cops, drug dealing and prostitution. If you can't see that what hope is there.
Yes some of us may be well educated sensible and able to seperate fantasy from reality. But there are a host of kids out there who do not have our good fortune. They have been emotionaly abused, given bad role models, badly parented, you name it. And this kind of stuff just feeds them more. Its not the games fault. Its sensible responsible people allowing this kind of thing to be fashionable and fun! and going on about our rights to see this stuff if we want to because we can handle it. We aint everyone and we have a responsibility to make society a better place instead of pleasing ourselves all the time.
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Originally posted by indy007
It's the victims next of kin that are chasing the lawsuit, .not the kids family.
In other words, it's a money grab because there's no blood to be extracted from the turnip that committed the crime.
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Originally posted by Sandman
In other words, it's a money grab because there's no blood to be extracted from the turnip that committed the crime.
Yeah pretty much. I think some people were assuming the kid's family were pushing the lawsuit... which, ironically, wouldn't be suprising with our legal system.
btw guys, I don't think the 3 stooges or the roadrunner are a good comparison to GTA. I'm all for violent video games, but uh.. Wile E. Coyote was never wallowing in a pool of his own blood after he rocketskated his way into a cliff. The roadrunner also never beat his carcass with a baseball bat for the satisfaction of it. My generation is pretty numb to violence as it is... our next generation is going to be *really* screwed up.
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Originally posted by indy007
btw guys, I don't think the 3 stooges or the roadrunner are a good comparison to GTA. I'm all for violent video games, but uh.. Wile E. Coyote was never wallowing in a pool of his own blood after he rocketskated his way into a cliff. The roadrunner also never beat his carcass with a baseball bat for the satisfaction of it. My generation is pretty numb to violence as it is... our next generation is going to be *really* screwed up.
very true...
you weren't dictating what evil thing the coyote or tom or jerry would do either.
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I watched a lot of Pepe Le Pew as a child. Now I have this uncontrollable urge to chase poon around.
-SW
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but the "poon" is of a different species right?
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Originally posted by Sandman
In other words, it's a money grab because there's no blood to be extracted from the turnip that committed the crime.
exactamundo, chase the ambulance to the loot.
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Hell if I know. Everytime I get around it, it has black and white stripes.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I watched a lot of Pepe Le Pew as a child. Now I have this uncontrollable urge to chase poon around.
-SW
Pepe would probably be sued by women's rights groups nowadays. No means no, Pepe!
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Originally posted by Raider179
sorry but I Will never buy that a video game made some car theif kill cops. This is this guys loser family trying to make a $ off a tradgedy. Let me ask this where was his family while this kid "trained" play GTA?Now they want to sue cause he played it. Its all about bad parenting or just plain rotten kids.
You're missing out. GTA is a hoot.
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I'm 50/50 on this.
I don't think games should be liable or censored as they are like any other media - and where does it stop?
However the big difference with video games is the IMMERSION and INTERACTIVITY. The more immersive the experience is, the more real it becomes. Interactivity also kicks in as a sort of teacher.
We have to face facts, immersive game environments plus interactivity plus more detail in graphics sound etc plus extremely violent games = a very bad mix. Its a lot different to the sit at the movies environment.
Look across at the Everquest or WoW groupies, talk to some of those people and they are so immersed in the game they talk like its real.
Gaming is standing on a very thin line at the moment.
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Originally posted by indy007
It's the victims next of kin that are chasing the lawsuit, .not the kids family.
Is AL a death sentence state? If not, it should be. Let him finish out his "video game" reality strapped to a table after a few months of being raped in prison.
awww your right I misread it.
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Pfftt... reality is reality and virtual is not.
Do what you want in the virtual world. Kill, rape, maim and pillage to your hearts content.
But in the real world, you better not hurt anyone... and if you do, it's your fault. It's not the fault of the game.
I think the thin ice is putting limits on personal accountabilty for one's own actions.
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Originally posted by Sandman
You're missing out. GTA is a hoot.
Oh i've played it. I am saying I dont think it is at fault. Maybe the rating system needs to be enforced since parents obviously are not doing it. But banning the game or suing them? I call BS.
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You do realize that there is no law that requires game manufacturers to use this rating system?
It doesn't make sense that the retailers should be compelled to use it. If Wal-Mart wants to, good for them. They probably have a customer base that desires such things.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Pfftt... reality is reality and virtual is not.
Do what you want in the virtual world. Kill, rape, maim and pillage to your hearts content.
But in the real world, you better not hurt anyone... and if you do, it's your fault. It's not the fault of the game.
I think the thin ice is putting limits on personal accountabilty for one's own actions.
I agree.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I dunno.. I know a lot of kids were "trained" how to fight by Mortal Kombat... had two kids get their hearts ripped out of their chests in the cafeteria while another student got on the intercom screaming "FINISH HIM!"
This other kid used to cut in line by shooting this little grappling hook out of his wrist and yelling "GET OVER HERE!"
Freaky **** man... freaky ****.
ROFLMAO!! :rofl Am I the only one that found this funny as ****?
HAHAHAHA.
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Originally posted by Zulu7
They have been emotionaly abused, given bad role models, badly parented, you name it. And this kind of stuff just feeds them more.
I think you hit the main cause right there.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Pfftt... reality is reality and virtual is not.
Do what you want in the virtual world. Kill, rape, maim and pillage to your hearts content.
But in the real world, you better not hurt anyone... and if you do, it's your fault. It's not the fault of the game.
I think the thin ice is putting limits on personal accountabilty for one's own actions.
Yes be virtual is often used as a training mechanism. Repetivie exposure to these environments has to have some effect. Good parents will mostly likely negate it but.... it does leave the door open.
Look at hypnosis, and all those other mind-shaping techniques used for things like crowd control, motivation, teamwork etc... 5 minutes on a pacman didn't do stuff all to your head. But now graphics like GTA exposed to a kid hours on end during the day.... u gotta wonder what it does to him inside.
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On the one hand we have your standard run of the mill criminal that doesn't respect the rights of others.
On the other... we have your standard run of the mill whackjob that can't respect the rights of others.
Lock 'em up together.
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" 5 minutes on a pacman didn't do stuff all to your head."
i was 10 times more violent after 20 minutes of repetive losing of games like pacman than after a similar string of repetive losing in a FPS...
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For better or worse, regardless of stimuli, people are responsible for their own actions and must take the consequences for any crimes they commit under whatever influences.
Mitigating circumstances primarily concern mental competency before and during the crimes.
Rating systems such as mopic and game content, and usage restrictions such as drivers' licenses are a reasonable attempt for society to allow fullest freedom to all citizens while regulating access by immature or otherwise unqualified individuals.
Suing manufacturers simply because their products are involved in crimes is misplaced blame -- e.g., gun makers don't kill people; some people who use guns kill people, some with justification and some without.
Faulty products are a different issue. Then liability is logical.
Most people, in the U.S. anyway, seem to agree on these principles judging from past and present law.
Sandman's thread title sums it up: the guilty and those involved with them often resort to trying to blame anything other than themselves for what they did.
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Originally posted by JB88
when i was a child. i played with woodchips. it was good enough for me dammit!
lol.
When I was a child, if I hadn't been born a boy, I wouldn't have had anything to play with.
:D
dago
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How's your vision?
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if your kid can be pushed over the edge by a video-game or an album, you're not doing your job.
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Thing is I agree with most of you. The Video game is not the cause. I just question wether we need a "game" that glamourises cop killing, prostution and drug dealing. A game is way more immersive than a movie. And this kind of sh*t adds to the crime is cool culture that is turning estates like the ones I work in into hellish places for decent people to live. Even the good parents struggle because their kids are out of the house and in contact with those, whose parents are not so good, at school and on the street.
I don't want to take away rights from people but I think we have to look at our responsibility too and its not clever to produce this kind of cr*p and sell it to kids or to be honest some adults I've met too! We ought to stop blaming other people, bad parents etc and look at whart we as individuals can do to make this a better world. One small tjhing is to stop buying cr*p games like GTA. No market no production. One less factor to add to the mix Crime is not cool it busts up peoples lives and this kind of game stinks in my humble opinion.
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Originally posted by Zulu7
Thing is I agree with most of you. The Video game is not the cause. I just question whether we need a "game" that glamourises cop killing, prostution and drug dealing. A game is way more immersive than a movie. And this kind of sh*t adds to the crime is cool culture that is turning estates like the ones I work in into hellish places for decent people to live. Even the good parents struggle because their kids are out of the house and in contact with those, whose parents are not so good, at school and on the street.
I don't want to take away rights from people but I think we have to look at our responsibility too and its not clever to produce this kind of cr*p and sell it to kids or to be honest some adults I've met too! We ought to stop blaming other people, bad parents etc and look at whart we as individuals can do to make this a better world. One small tjhing is to stop buying cr*p games like GTA. No market no production. One less factor to add to the mix Crime is not cool it busts up peoples lives and this kind of game stinks in my humble opinion.
oh, won't someone please think of the children? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
it's not about whether or not we "need" games like this. it's about "should the gov't be involved in telling you what type of entertainment is OK?"
it's my opinion (and I'm fairly sure our founding-fathers would back me up on this if they were around) that the gov't has no business deciding what I need to be doing as long as I'm not hurting anyone else.
other than restricting who can purchase certain games. if the parents decide their kids can play them then they just go pick them up for the kid and the rest of us butt out.
these sort of issues are personal family matters and and should be handled within the individual family.
BTW- I do agree with you that the game is a POS. it was my decision that my kids wouldn't be allowed to play it until they where about 16.
I really don't want the gov't involved in the process of raising my kids. I've met quite a few people who were raised under he supervision of gov't caseworkers I think I'll do better without their input.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Pfftt... reality is reality and virtual is not.
Do what you want in the virtual world. Kill, rape, maim and pillage to your hearts content.
But in the real world, you better not hurt anyone... and if you do, it's your fault. It's not the fault of the game.
I think the thin ice is putting limits on personal accountabilty for one's own actions.
Exactly. its about knowing right from wrong and accepting and being held personally responcable for your own actions.
something which is becomming rarer by the day.
Now its "because he was abused as a child" or "because its on TV, or a game", or whatever
BS No matter what you know doing these things is wrong. And if you do it anyway YOU are the one responcable because you KNEW it was wrong yet you did it anyway.
Lack of real parenting is as much a part of it as anything with kids these days.
We've gotten way to soft with our kids over fear that we may "emotionally scar" them. Well some scars are good and longterm serve a greater purpose.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
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Look at hypnosis, and all those other mind-shaping techniques used for things like crowd control, motivation, teamwork etc... 5 minutes on a pacman didn't do stuff all to your head. But now graphics like GTA exposed to a kid hours on end during the day.... u gotta wonder what it does to him inside.
Yes but hasnt it been proven that you cant make people do things under hypnosis they dont want to do?
If not then I need to learn it
For the wife
"whenever you hear me say the word pillow"
"You will become a kinky nymphomanic, you will become a kinky nymphomaniac"
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Originally posted by Sandman
How's your vision?
Lets hope its at least well enough to shave his palms
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vulcan... are you female? or are u just.. you know... a "UK' type?
If you are female are you good looking?
lazs
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:lol Tell your "are a UK type" to those chaps in the British army!!!!
Or a bunch of very pissed off ( probably leftwing ) Miners back in the 80s
:rofl :rofl
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you mean... all those really liberal soldiers or...
maybe the strikers of what? the eighties? I don't think you know what they were thinking or their ideoldgies but my guess is that they were far less left wing than you think and far more concerned with personal gain.
lazs
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It wasn't the video game's fault.
It was the gun's fault.
If that cop hadn't been carrying the gun, this never would have happened.
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Originally posted by Furious
It wasn't the video game's fault.
It was the gun's fault.
If that cop hadn't been carrying the gun, this never would have happened.
if the company that made the gun never made it this wouldn't have happened.
it's the gun manufacturer's fault
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Yes but hasnt it been proven that you cant make people do things under hypnosis they dont want to do?
If not then I need to learn it
For the wife
"whenever you hear me say the word pillow"
"You will become a kinky nymphomanic, you will become a kinky nymphomaniac"
:rofl
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if people wouldn't invent stuff there wouldn't be any guns... it is a human failing.
lazs
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I know the British Army is hardly a "liberal " bastion , my point was don't think all UK people are soft or that being left wing makes you soft!
Bit like not all US citizens are gun totin rednecks.
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Originally posted by JB73
if the company that made the gun never made it this wouldn't have happened.
it's the gun manufacturer's fault
If the steel mills hand sold the metal to the gun maufacturers they would have never made the guns.
Its the steel mills fault
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my point being that you are not picking typical liberal groups to prove your point. Soldiers are pretty much the same everywhere. Strikeing minors are not usually concerned with socialist theory so much as they are self interest. Their ethics and lifestyle would probly put them into the conservative camp save for the aformentioned self interest.
In fairness... A lot of the conservative values I embrace are self interest motivated. I will vote for satan himself if he leaves me alone.
lazs
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
If the steel mills hand sold the metal to the gun maufacturers they would have never made the guns.
Its the steel mills fault
If the earth didn't have such precious resources to mine, then there wouldn't have been a steel mill to sell metal to the gun manufacturer, who then couldn't sell guns to the police that violent video games make kids take away from them and go on killing sprees.
It's the planet's fault.
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I gottqa be honest with ya here. Its a money grab pure and simple. If the "next of kin" really cared about anything they would be demanding to know why the officer whos weapon the suspect used hadnt secured his weapon before entering the booking area. If thats not SOP at that dept then they should be demanding it be made into SOP
secondly what kinda cop lets a suspect IN custody get his weapon then kill the officer and 2 other officers? They should investigate negligence, misconduct and reveiw their procedures on how they handle suspects in custody.
But their isnt any money in all that.
With regard to Mr. [Jack] Thompson, unfortunately he has a habit of doing this kind of thing often. No court has yet to take his legal claims seriously.
Well thank god for that