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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Furball on February 18, 2005, 01:44:02 PM
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yay!
PILOT CAN SHOOT!! W00T!
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The bailed out pilot now has separate mappable controls in the keymap and can fire his weapon.
How sweeeet
Now I have a reason to bail lolh.
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Originally posted by mars01
How sweeeet
Now I have a reason to bail lolh.
Dammmm, beat me to it.
Watch out chute shooters :) :) :)
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Some great stuff on the film viewer too.
WTG HTC kepp up the good and timely work!
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Icons change from generic to specific at close range!!!!!!
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AI JUNMPED outTA my aeroplne!! piolet go BANGF BNAG!! PIOW POEWIWW!!! it wsa teh funnay!!!111!!1 I R L33T!!212123111 I R CowntaSTreik H4XXOR!
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Originally posted by Octavius
Icons change from generic to specific at close range!!!!!!
I disagree with this and wish it would not have been added. Gives the other guy too much information, which RL combat pilots did/do not have.
Bazi
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Originally posted by Octavius
Icons change from generic to specific at close range!!!!!!
Yeah!! now people will dive on you! thinking you are a pathetic P-40B! when really you are an uber-l33t P-40E!
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Think of the perk tags. Might be stretching it, but I wonder if the 152 reads as 190.
patching now
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Originally posted by Wurger
I disagree with this and wish it would not have been added. Gives the other guy too much information, which RL combat pilots did/do not have.
Bazi
Yeah, but how many real life combat pilots had to worry about whether he was going up against a 109F or 109G10? By the time the G10 was out the F really just wasn't around.
-pellik
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remember reading about the german pilots who attacked spitfires gung ho, thinking they were spit V's.... and subsequently getting pwnd because they were IX's... They were pretty indistinguishable in the air.
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Originally posted by Furball
AI JUNMPED outTA my aeroplne!! piolet go BANGF BNAG!! PIOW POEWIWW!!! it wsa teh funnay!!!111!!1 I R L33T!!212123111 I R CowntaSTreik H4XXOR!
Oh Furball, you slay me!:rofl :rofl :rofl
No really, in game and on these boards, I can't win!
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The transitions to a new plane were dangerous, yeah. But you generally wouldn't have to worry about someone flying say a spit 1 in '45.
-pellik
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Skins show up in the film viewer now. Has a bug tho. In cockpit view is screwed up. You see a propeller and not much else.
Guncam works great. Seeing skins rocks.
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Pyro, i have a question sir.
in the release notes you mentioned the WGr 21cm rockets now have a "shorter flight time"
these are the LW rockets correct?
does that mean the engine burns a shorter time (then the rocket glides)
or
the 5.25 second until detonation time is now shorter?
i am referencing this thread for the time:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131797
thanks
this seems worded wrong... dont know how to fix it though lol
oh BTW <> patch sounds great! and i LOVE the new icon system!
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If the enemy can now tell that I am in a 190A8 rather than an uber D9, they certainly will know they can run me down quickly.
This means I will either have to modify my tactics, or change planes.
I kind of liked the 190A8. But now that you can no longer disguise yourself, I am sure that many will now change to the more uber rides.
For me that will probably be a Dora, or a LA7 or maybe go back to the Pony D. I like the Pony, but the guns package is way to light for bombers.
I really think that this will have some major impact on game play.
I will adapt, improvise and overcome.
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
I will adapt, improvise and overcome.
screw that.. Whine for victory!
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The max velocity was increased by increasing the rocket's thrust. This required the detonation time to be reduced as well. It's now very close to the specs that Mando posted.
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ahh thank you sir! great to hear.
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Originally posted by Furball
yay!
PILOT CAN SHOOT!! W00T!
yes, but can he hold the gun gangsta style?
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I disagree with this and wish it would not have been added. Gives the other guy too much information, which RL combat pilots did/do not have.
Bazi
Folks see will see 'G-6' and know it's not a G-10 or an F-4 and know its not a G-2.
Folks will go after the lesser planes avoid the tougher ones. It will continue to push folks into late war aircraft.
All the element of the 'hunt' and the unknown is slowly disappearing from AH, not that there was much there to begin with.
AH2 icons at the beginning were great then they added the +/- and allowed them to be huge by allow a larger increase in size. Now you know the exact plane type.
Who's going to fly a Hurri 1 or Spit 1 or Emil, F4F, P-40B etc...
With the fuel mod and now with exact plane type AH2 is truly the Allies High just as many folks around the the flight game circles claim it is.
If that's how AH will continue to make money more power to them but it doesn't bode well for the future of ToD, at least imo.
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not many folks..small handful from what i have read.
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agreed, I like not knowing at first and having to try to identify type of a/c, weather a franz or G10 etc.
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for once i kinda agree with the naysayers.. i enjoyed outfitting my F4 with skins that looked closer to G10 and vice versa, hoping to catch spit pilots off guard...
kinda curious as to the reasoning behind changing what i thought was a decent system to begin with? i didnt see many people calling for that feature?
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After seeing it in action only for a few moments online, my opinion has changed. With moose now :/
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how far out does the change take place?
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I think the aim may have been just the opposite actually. Perhaps it is meant to add a little ambiguity at far ranges. I saw the effect on friendlies take place under a thousand yards. If this distance is changeable, my personal preference would be under 200yds or even closer for a true ID.
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LAGG---la5, la7
Machi--- mc202, mc205
Typhoon-----typhoon, tempest
The system cannot penalize some planes becuase the designers didnt follow the Spit and 109 lead of keeping the same name for very very different aircraft.
Will the pilot be able to have a perk side arm?
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I think ranged icons is a nice addition to the game. Think of it, before we could destinguish planes at close range due to their camo. Now if you have textures switched on, you can't say what is what because of too many different camos available (some camos of diff. models are very close to each other, and they are too many to easily remember). So it is only bringing situation back to AH1 standards.
It also solve some strange things, like all planes were Spits, but la5 and la7 had different tags. HogC which were almost totally identical to HogD had a separate tag. Do you really believe pilots could destinguish cannon bird from mg at 6k? New feature makes it all less confusion and more logical.
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i just can't warm up to the idea.. as much as i try to hash it different ways
with such a broad planeset with different versions of planes there are so many different strategies that go into a typical dogfight. (1v1 for instance)
if that plane knows im an f4, then they'll extend wherever possible... if they know im a g10, then they might try and tnb me.. and vice versa
it reduces the element of surprise to zero in my mind
who knows, maybe enough people will not like it to change it back. im sure htc will listen if people are mature about being critical
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plane id = gamey
but what's the diff, you have the gameyness too ... you know its a spitV and not a 14...
it will push some out of the 109f and into 109g10, etc..
it is a feature I will not cry if it goes away
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i haven't flow it yet, but im looking forward to the opposite of what you guys are saying..
suckering a spit into a fight with him thinking i can't turn with him...
then when it's too late the fight is on im in a 109E and he can't turn with me.
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only way i could accept it is if it only showed at under something like 200 yards, at that range most people can tell the difference anyway...
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Originally posted by vorticon
only way i could accept it is if it only showed at under something like 200 yards, at that range most people can tell the difference anyway...
under 200 the icon should go away altogether
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Originally posted by Wotan
With the fuel mod and now with exact plane type AH2 is truly the Allies High just as many folks around the the flight game circles claim it is.
My understanding is that HT is going to change the FM on the 190's very soon. They will also get a face lift.
If we can get maneuvering flaps on the 190's, and this is somewhat contentious, the 190's may become a more popular ride.
And if they set the A8 so that it can outturn a A5, as my understanding the real A8 outturned the A5, and the Dora outturned the A8.
So we can just hope that the 190s get tuned up soon.
But from my limited readings of WW2 (I'm a WW1 buff) the late war Allied planes were in fact very good. And in a MA where all planes are available most people will gravitate to the better plane sets. The Pony D, Spit 9, NIKI and LA7 are prime expamples, and more people fly the Dora than the 190A8 even though the Dora has only a slight edge on K/D over the A8.
Here is an example, since you can no longer sucker a Pony or a LA7 into a turn fight with your 109F4, because he thinks it's a G10, why fly the Frank?
Late model rides will be more popular, and the late war allied planes are excellent.
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Not the LW conspiracy theory again :rolleyes:
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I think the effect will be far more subltle then some here propose.
If you see two 109s running and you realize at 500 yards that one is a F4 and the other a G10 then you might have some added information to make your decisions.
Basically they have to limit the high detial icon to a range where you have allready engaged.
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
My understanding is that HT is going to change the FM on the 190's very soon. They will also get a face lift.
If we can get maneuvering flaps on the 190's, and this is somewhat contentious, the 190's may become a more popular ride.
And if they set the A8 so that it can outturn a A5, as my understanding the real A8 outturned the A5, and the Dora outturned the A8.
So we can just hope that the 190s get tuned up soon.
But from my limited readings of WW2 (I'm a WW1 buff) the late war Allied planes were in fact very good. And in a MA where all planes are available most people will gravitate to the better plane sets. The Pony D, Spit 9, NIKI and LA7 are prime expamples, and more people fly the Dora than the 190A8 even though the Dora has only a slight edge on K/D over the A8.
Here is an example, since you can no longer sucker a Pony or a LA7 into a turn fight with your 109F4, because he thinks it's a G10, why fly the Frank?
Late model rides will be more popular, and the late war allied planes are excellent.
Bah. And BS. And other not nice things.
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This may be an unfair question, but it might help illistrate the new icon systems usefullness.
How many of you in a fly over of an airshow at 1000yds above the flight line could identify the following planes parked side by side? Even from 200yds up...or if you merged with each having 1000yds separation between your wing tips as you passed.
North American
NJ-1
NJ-2
SNJ-1
SNJ-2
SNJ-3
SNJ-4
SNJ-5
SNJ-6
AT-6 Texan
AT-6 Texan Mosquito
Harvard
BT-9B
These planes all look very similare with variations. BT-9B has fixed gear. Harvard was built for the british. They would all have different color and marking scheams. But to this day when I go to airshows I goof and call them all Texans untill I get closer than 200yds.
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is it just me?
I am seeing 109 subtypes way earlier than other ac?
Is there a setting error re the 109's
Otherwise the icon thing is great!
Oh and its La (as in La7 or La5FN or La5F or La5 or LaGG3) not LA
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Bah. And BS. And other not nice things.
I am trully humbled by such scholarly wisdom. Very concise and well articulated! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Am I the only one who doesn't care which plane I'm fighting, nor fear certain planes more then others?
Am I the only one who chooses an aircraft to fly because it'll be fun to fly, not because it is good?
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I fear a low spit dragging its wing. But thats me.
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No you're not but now you will be ganged up on more than ever if you fly older planes because you will be an easier target.
This will cut your fun real soon, real fast.
Originally posted by lasersailor184
Am I the only one who doesn't care which plane I'm fighting, nor fear certain planes more then others?
Am I the only one who chooses an aircraft to fly because it'll be fun to fly, not because it is good?
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Funny, I've been fighting the rook La7's for about a year now. Yet, I still have fun downing them with P40b's...
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i pesonaly would like to see icons reduced to red dot and only show type at 1000 yrds..more realistic to get confirmation at lesser distances.. also reduce icon range from 6 to 3 k...this is getting so arcadish... next we will be having life bars on enemies..
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The icon thing is fine. If you are in a lesser model version of an aircraft and are relying on basically a "bluff" to survive and get kills chances are you gonna die anyway.
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Originally posted by Raider179
The icon thing is fine. If you are in a lesser model version of an aircraft and are relying on basically a "bluff" to survive and get kills chances are you gonna die anyway.
Raider - not true at all... A FW190A8 now is a fat slow target.. without the corrections in the FM and its damage model set in such a way that almost every first ping kills engine oil it's now useless except in suicide vulching missions.
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Originally posted by Furball
yay!
PILOT CAN SHOOT!! W00T!
this should be interesting. Cant wait to see how many pilot wounds are caused by bailed players and the whines sure to follow LMAO
Dont care one way or the other. but it should be interesting
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As for the icons.
fly what you want. I'll stay in my FW A-5 A8 or 109 F4 without the disguises and kill you anyway:D
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Originally posted by Furball
AI JUNMPED outTA my aeroplne!! piolet go BANGF BNAG!! PIOW POEWIWW!!! it wsa teh funnay!!!111!!1 I R L33T!!212123111 I R CowntaSTreik H4XXOR!
holy crap! :rofl
Dont know if I should laugh or buy you some medication
:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by 6GunUSMC
Raider - not true at all... A FW190A8 now is a fat slow target.. without the corrections in the FM and its damage model set in such a way that almost every first ping kills engine oil it's now useless except in suicide vulching missions.
man i've played IL-2FB and 190s are more stable there...
190s here should be fixed like ASAP!
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Does this mean you can spawn camp with a .45?
Do you only get 1 clip?
Can you get resupplied?
If you and the emeny bail out can you shoot it out on the ground?
Can you bail out at the map room and shoot incoming troops?
I think I've exhausted the ridiculous questions. Did I miss any?
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tikky ever consider that their 190's shoudl be fixed? lol
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Can I use 47th Sentai Skin in the Ki-84 fianlly?
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Originally posted by Mitsu
Can I use 47th Sentai Skin in the Ki-84 fianlly?
Skins are fixed thankfully!
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Yucca ofcourse not since it's an Allied conspiracy. We also know that the last WWII sim we played was correct with it's modeling and this new sim we are playing isn't.
As some have said if you worried about hidding behind a plane type because it didn't give the enemy all the details, then just stop flying. Every plane is a threat regardless of what variant it is. If you choose to engage or disengage purely on what type of plane it is then as I stated above stop flying. The only thing that should make you choose to engage or disengage is your ammo, fuel state and the horde.
People are gonna fight the same as they did before. If they want to chase you down they are gonna try until it proves futile. If they wanna turn fight they are gonna turn fight. If they wanna bnz they are gonna bnz. They'd figure it out one way or the other if it is prudent to use a tactic against a particular airframe. If they fly intelligently they'd test the waters before just jumping into a fight in the first place.
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Originally posted by 6GunUSMC
[B... A FW190A8 now is a fat slow target.. without the corrections in the FM and its damage model set in such a way that almost every first ping kills engine oil it's now useless except in suicide vulching missions. [/B]
6Gun :)
The A8 is only a fat slow target if flown that way. It is fast, just not in a long drawn-out run with the LA7's hunting you down.
Keep her high, and keep her fast, swoop down, attack and get back on perch, that is the 190's key. She's no furballer, she's an assassin’s weapon.
Basically you really never want to get a bogey on you six, control your engagements. But bogeys do get on your six eventually. The 190A8 is a very maneuverable plane, that doesn’t mean she turns well (she turns very poorly), but maneuverability is more than turn rate. Use your roll rate to change your lift vector and your direction quickly. Stay off of the rudders and the elevator; they are both notorious bleeders of energy. No plane in the arena can follow your roll, they will be using elevator, and hopefully rudder to try and follow you.
If the bogey has to much e on you, wait until he just breaks 600 yards, then chop throttle, kick full rudder, aileron roll, drop your speed, make a couple of rolls to throw off his aim. He will hit 200 yards a lot quicker than he expected, and then he will realize that you are trying to force an overshoot. But now is the tough part, you have to watch your six more than your front as you are in this full rudder state. See what he is doing, roll to keep him from getting a good guns solution. If he breaks off to get alt, you should be behind him and should get a shot into him at under D300. Hopefully you have friendlies who will now take him out or force him to disengage. This works especially well with LA7s as they don't slow down very well. But it works on Spits and NIKIs also. Sometimes you do your best and get shot down anyway. Try to figure out how he got on your six, and don't do whatever you did again :)
Don’t get down on the deck with a 190 unless your speed is above 450 mph, then grab alt after the pass, remember that a low A8 is a dead A8.
The A8 is a diver, if it is a 109 on your six do some rolls and try to get pointed straight down. Full WEP until you reach about 450 mph, then chop throttle, the 109's compress at about 480 mph, once you are 480 and he is closing, gently pull up, the 109 can’t follow. Now get up some alt on him, and dive down as he pulls out of compression, or break off if it is a G10, he’ll just outrun you. This works for other planes, but you have to get more speed before they compress, once you hit 550 mph chop throttle , kick rudder to bleed speed or you will compress. He should be target fixated and compress in just about anything, gently pull out as he roars by you. You will probably just have to disengage and hit for your lines until you get alt back.
Keep your egress route well planned, your egress is more important as your ingress. As people now know you are a A8 and not a Dora, you will get more people pursuing you than before. Keep it faster and higher than you did before.
The A8 has some other tricks that I will keep to myself. ;)
She is really a much better plane than people think. :aok
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Originally posted by moose
for once i kinda agree with the naysayers.. i enjoyed outfitting my F4 with skins that looked closer to G10 and vice versa, hoping to catch spit pilots off guard...
kinda curious as to the reasoning behind changing what i thought was a decent system to begin with? i didnt see many people calling for that feature?
I'm with Moose..Leave it as it is for friendlies though.
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I am with Cobra on this one.
If its RED and it wants to dance ... then we're gonna dance no matter what the plane or variant ... doesn't make a watermelon bit of difference to me.
All those who are trying to over-engineer the distances at when and what you see ... please.
I don't know about you, but when I am all tangled up with someone that is D400 or less ... I am not trying to figure out what variant of the plane is. I am trying to figure out how to get my nose into a guns solution. Things happen too fast to be worried about what exactly I am fighting.
Gotta love the resurgence of the LW conspricy ... always good for a laugh.
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this is just personally frustrating to me because of how I choose my fights.. the spits arent too different but the 109s are, which are my personal favorite ride
flying against a decent pilot, they will know every capibility of my plane now by the merge. kinda annoying. i enjoying tnbing with the f4 but no more now, not worth the time because people will just extend on me whereas before they wouldnt dare take a g10 into a race
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Yes you missed questions like
"You ever seen a grown man naked?"
or
"Have you ever been to a turkish prision?"
Originally posted by Ratnick
Does this mean you can spawn camp with a .45?
Do you only get 1 clip?
Can you get resupplied?
If you and the emeny bail out can you shoot it out on the ground?
Can you bail out at the map room and shoot incoming troops?
I think I've exhausted the ridiculous questions. Did I miss any?
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Originally posted by 6GunUSMC
Raider - not true at all... A FW190A8 now is a fat slow target.. without the corrections in the FM and its damage model set in such a way that almost every first ping kills engine oil it's now useless except in suicide vulching missions.
Ridiculous...I fly the A-8 as a primary plane. Like I said if you rely on camoflauge as an advantage you do not know how to fly it. The A8 is not used as a turn fighter. You stay fast. You live . You turn and do dumb things your gonna have a bad day.
FYI I use a-8 as buff interdiction with much sucess.
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What we need is green or red tags at long distance,then after 3.0k you can "target" the plane your looking at by hiting tab,then you get a basic plane id "p51 spitm109 ,ect"..then at 1000 yards you get a total plane id.
Would put skill into entering a dog fight,at any point and time.
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
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Flame??????
Sheesh, you can't even try to be humorous in here. :rolleyes:
I certainly wasn't attacking anyone, nor did anyone else that I saw on the comentary.
It was just a hilarious take on the situation IMHO, not that my opinion matters! :rofl :rofl
Tough Room,
Sigh :(
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my old boss and furball I know you both, especially TC, who is as a standup gentleman as there is in this game. I can not imagine either of you said anything that needed admin punishment. I have free acess to an unused T1 with a 5 year contract, censorship rubs me wrong .. stay tuned
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Anyone have already registered domains? I have an old athlon warmed up and ready. A ton of bandwidth, we do video conferencing/ telephones everything this connect. (Yeah a REAL T1)
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any shareware bbs software?
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email support@ocalacomputer.com
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Is this how that other Warbirds site started?
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I certainly feel a bit chaffed about this, maybe hurt would be a better word. We were just off on a rather ridiculous tangent.
I am not sure a new BBS is the answer.
But then what do I know? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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well thankfully i missed out on getting the old edit :D
although it would have been humerous if instead of 'flame' you put 'deleted for whine' instead. :lol :lol
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
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oh well, guess what I thought was funny and laughed at by using the ----->:D
was took the wrong way
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Originally posted by Furball
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I cant even remember what i said? what did i say to get deleted?
HiTech how about when your post gets edited, you get an automated email telling you what you said and why it is not allowed. I am honestly clueless to what i said and why it was bad.
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Shame on you Furby! Gonna have a talk with the 'Public Relations Officer' about this. :p
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Originally posted by Meatwad
holy crap! :rofl
Dont know if I should laugh or buy you some medication
:rofl :rofl
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My understanding is that HT is going to change the FM on the 190's very soon. They will also get a face lift.
If we can get maneuvering flaps on the 190's, and this is somewhat contentious, the 190's may become a more popular ride.
And if they set the A8 so that it can outturn a A5, as my understanding the real A8 outturned the A5, and the Dora outturned the A8.
So we can just hope that the 190s get tuned up soon.
But from my limited readings of WW2 (I'm a WW1 buff) the late war Allied planes were in fact very good. And in a MA where all planes are available most people will gravitate to the better plane sets. The Pony D, Spit 9, NIKI and LA7 are prime expamples, and more people fly the Dora than the 190A8 even though the Dora has only a slight edge on K/D over the A8.
Here is an example, since you can no longer sucker a Pony or a LA7 into a turn fight with your 109F4, because he thinks it's a G10, why fly the Frank?
Late model rides will be more popular, and the late war allied planes are excellent.
The 190 A5 had much less wingloading the the A8 aswell as the D9 thus the A5 turned better then both. The A8 was much designed as a bomber killer and was more heavily armed and overall heavier. More or less the same airframe otherwise and the same wing area = heigher wingloading = worse turn rate.
The dora is a couple of hundred kilos heavier then the A8 (both being empty) and it's got the same wing area which would result in a slightly worse turn rate. Of course, the Dora is by far the better fighter when it comes to all fights, including turnfights thanks to engine power and the more smooth lines of the plane.
Not sure where you have heard the A8 will outturn the A5 and the Dora oututrn both of them, but it's wrong.
As for maneuvering flaps, non of the 190's (according to the manual) we capable of having the flaps extended in speed of 350Km/h or above (about 218mph). This is about 40-50mph heigher then what can currently be used in AH (unless it has been changed since I flew last time). It doesn't say what speeds the flaps can be deployed at though.
As for the 190's getting tuned up, don't get your hopes up. As to my undertstaning Pyro has said he will remodell them after LW charts (if I remember correct). This doesn't mean they will be improved though, just different. Much depends on what charts will be used but Pyro said that many of the charts he's got show the planes inferior (or atleast worse) then what we have now.
Before I had to take a paus from AH, shortly after 2.0 was released, I found the 190's to be quite different from AH 1.x. Infact, for the first time in AH I felt they were real competative planes, closer to what many 190 pilots said they were.
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The dora is a couple of hundred kilos heavier then the A8
Hi Wilbus, you sure about that? If i remember right the D9 is almost equal in empty and loaded weight as the A8 with 4xMG151.
The slightly higher weight of the JUMO213 is offset by the somewhat lighter armament the D9 has compared to the A8.
As for maneuvering flaps, non of the 190's (according to the manual) we capable of having the flaps extended in speed of 350Km/h or above (about 218mph).
The manual i have for the FW190A Series doesn't give a limiting speed for the "take off" flap position. Only with flaps down in "landing" position it is prohibited to exceed 300 km/k (~185 mph).
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Last edited by hitech on 02-20-2005 at 01:28 AM
Stoped smoking recently did we now? ;)
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Hey Naudet, good to see ya again.
As for the weights, looking through two books now, the first being the exelent "Focke Wulf Fw190 in Combat" by Alfred Price. The other book is "Warplanes of the Luftwaffe".
Empty weight of the 190 A8 is 3170 Kg. For the D9 it is 3323 Kg.
Normal flying weight of the two are more or less identical though of about 4300 kg.
The manual I have or had (can't find it on this Hard-drive) stated that maximum speed with one notch of flaps was 350Km/h.
As for turnradius though, a few Kg's here or there on the A8 and D9 won't matter that much. The A5 was clearly the lightest of them all, aswell as the best turner. The A8 and D9 were both quite bad, if any, the D9 would probarly turn better then the A8.
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I feel the 200 range plane type icon should be replaced by the enemies game ID. In this way I'll know who to give a
to in a stalmate without have to stop to look at the film then having to come back online to find that person who has already logged off. Or I'll know when to just stick my tail between my legs and "RUNAWAY".:D
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Originally posted by Wotan
If that's how AH will continue to make money more power to them but it doesn't bode well for the future of ToD, at least imo.
Simple answer, fly TOD without icons. You know your going up against the other sides planes. This will bring the aspect of plane recognition into the game. This along with friendly fire would make for some interesting times as in a noob firing on you because he didn't take to the time to make sure it was an enemy plane.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
As for maneuvering flaps, non of the 190's (according to the manual) we capable of having the flaps extended in speed of 350Km/h or above (about 218mph). This is about 40-50mph heigher then what can currently be used in AH (unless it has been changed since I flew last time). It doesn't say what speeds the flaps can be deployed at though.
From what I've read the 190's had flaps that would (or could) be set to automatically deploy below certain speeds and then retract as speeds increased.
This was also a feature used on the f4f's. While not an intended feature, the f4f's utilized a vacuum system to deploy flaps, Above deployment speeds the vacume wasn't strong enough to deploy the flaps but as speeds decreases the flaps would deploy if the flap lever was set to say 1 notch. Navy pilots used this "feature" to help stay in a turn fight with the zekes.
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As for turnradius though,...
I have found a small .txt file among my aircraft data which lists turn/corner times for the D9. The problem is i don't have a clue who forwarded this info to me back in 2002, but original documents at the german museum in Munich are given as source.
As i will visit the archive of the german museum in may for a couple of days, i may find the original document there and if yes i can confirm if the numbers are right.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Not sure where you have heard the A8 will outturn the A5 and the Dora oututrn both of them, but it's wrong.
As for maneuvering flaps, non of the 190's (according to the manual) we capable of having the flaps extended in speed of 350Km/h or above (about 218mph). This is about 40-50mph heigher then what can currently be used in AH (unless it has been changed since I flew last time). It doesn't say what speeds the flaps can be deployed at though.
As for the 190's getting tuned up, don't get your hopes up. As to my undertstaning Pyro has said he will remodell them after LW charts (if I remember correct). This doesn't mean they will be improved though, just different. Much depends on what charts will be used but Pyro said that many of the charts he's got show the planes inferior (or atleast worse) then what we have now.
Before I had to take a paus from AH, shortly after 2.0 was isreleased, I found the 190's to be quite different from AH 1.x. Infact, for the first time in AH I felt they were real competative planes, closer to what many 190 pilots said they were.
Thank you for the informative reply. The only thing I know about the FW190s is what I read on the boards. I am not a LW buff, or even a WWII buff. My love is the crates of WW1, but there are no decent WWI sims out there. And AH is the best flying sim I've seen. To many gamey things about IL2 for me, but I only played it off line.
To me this icon move is gamey (hope I don't get deleted for flame again), for what is IMHO the premiere flight sim of WWII.
If we are going to get more realistic about the 190's FM it would then seem indicate that a move to another aircraft may be my best move. As I said, I am not a LW buff, I don't know anything about some "LW conspiracy" that was mentioned earlier. I just want a good competative ride in the MA, that doesn't have such a low eny that I can't fly it when numbers are high on the side I am flying on. I have to fly on the side the AK CO says to fly on, which is of course part of being in a squad :)
I am not liking the Dora, can't hit a thing in it :(
I am considering maybe a late model Jug, or a Typhie.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Normal flying weight of the two are more or less identical though of about 4300 kg.
4250 Kg for D9 with ETC504.
D9 chart (http://www.terra.es/personal2/matias.s/d9speed2chart.jpg)
4300 Kg for A8 without ETC 501 and 4x20mm
A8 chart (http://www.terra.es/personal2/matias.s/fw190-1.jpg)
And 4000 Kg for 4x20mm 190A5
D9 was not that heavier compared with A5 at all.
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No Mando, not all that much, but it makes a difference, quite a big difference.
Please let me know when you have found the charts Naudet, could you mail me at "rasmus_friluft@yahoo.se" please? Won't have good access to the internet after this week (home for holliday) so won't be able to keep up woth the board.
AkFokerFoder, you need to give the 190's time, they can be difficult to get into, and to fly good but they are damn fun to fly once you learn them. If you still don't wanna take the time to learn them, and you choose from the Jug and the Tiffie, pick the Jug, it's by far the better fighter (although slower at most alt where it matters) and it's also very fun to fly.
As for the new icon system, although I haven't tried it yet, it does sound like it is a step in the wrong (for me atleast) direction, takes another fun aspect out of the game. We'll see when I get the chance to try it.
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Wilbus, as i said the trip to munich is in may, so you have to wait for atleast 9-10 weeks. If i find the charts or anything else interesing i will notify you.
A real sad thing is that there do not exist any performance measurements for D9 using either "Erhöhte Notleistung" or "MW50 Einspritzung".
All curves that show those speeds or climbrates are calculated ones.
Tests in Rechlin were done only with the normal Start-/Notleistung, which was cleared in September '44 for 30 Minutes use (which than makes it actually the climb/combat setting).
And for the TA152 the situation is very similar, so far i am not aware of any test flights of the TA152 with either MW50 or GM1.