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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Jackal1 on February 19, 2005, 09:04:28 AM
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Frankly I can tell no difference in the 38 gauges with the new patch that was supposed to back light them.
The gauges just need to be resized a tad.
Please, once again, no more itsy bitsy, teen weeny,chigger sized gauges.
OK, OK, before someone posts " just map a zoom of the gauges". That idea works if your doing test flights or you are out for a Sunday afternoon pleasure flight. It does nothing for when you are in the heat of things.
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agreed. I would fly the p38 and ki84 more if I could read the gagues.
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Yep!
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Hmmm...I have no troubles reading the dials at 1024x768 resolution. They are really crisp and clear at 1600x1200 resolution though.
ack-ack
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I was all excited about the new 38s and the 84..then......Rut Roh. Can`t see the teeny weeny things in flight without zooming which is not very practical when engaged.
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Gauges work fine for me.
Please dont make oversized clumsy gauges, really i want to see airspace not the damn cockpit.
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Nobody is suggesting Big Ben size here. Just a tad of resizing would do the trick. I don`t see how the instrument panel could interfere with your "airspace" viewing at any rate .
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You guys must have seriously ****ed-up eyes. These gauges are *easier* to read than the old bitmapped ones.
You could stop being stubborn and get glasses, if that is what you need. And really, anbody with 20-20 vision can read those gauges quite easily, so I'm assuming that you have bad eyesight.
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Let me be the 1st to say BS. :D
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So it's small mind syndrome, rather than small pupil syndrome? Or is it can't-deal-with-more-realism syndrome?
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Realism hasn`t got crap to do with it. I seriously doubt the 38 pilots had any trouble reading the friggen gauges. If you can read em, fine, then carry on . I am one among many who have expressed difficulty in reading the gauges.
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You're probably of the same class that ragged on AH2 for changing the original Aces High's uber P-51D flight model.
Of course you might not be, but that's what this whole thing is beginning to sound like. "Make the game easier for me, damnit, or I'm gonna whine like an idiot!"
All I'm saying is that me, and many others, have absolutely no problem reading the new gauges. They're actually *easier* to read than the old Aces High 1-standard gauges.
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Look slick, if ya wanna argue take it to the O`club. I`ll be more than happy to oblige.
There is no one whining here. Just stating a fact. BTW it was to HTC as this is supposed to be.
If you are a happy camper, then more power to you. I don`t need to nor do I care one way or another about your sniveling. Have a goodun.
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Jackal1, I agree with you, the gauges are harder to read at least in the P38's, not that I spend much time looking at the gages when engaged.
Fruda, your comments are out of line and not really helpful.
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Originally posted by Fruda
So it's small mind syndrome, rather than small pupil syndrome? Or is it can't-deal-with-more-realism syndrome?
There is no need to act like an arse. Jackal1 has a legitimate complaint about the dials. The dials in the new re-worked planes are kind of hard to read at some resolutions such as at 1024x768. Not all systems can run the game with decent FPS at 1600x1200 resolution where the dials are crisp and easy to read.
ack-ack
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They're easy to read even at 800x600... I'm really not seeing the problem here.
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Jackel - have you played with gamma at all? I had to set mine to 1.40 to see pretty much anything. It's ugly as hell but it made seeing the instruments in the 38's easier for me.
asw
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Yea, been trying that.
I just beleive a slight enlargement would do the trick. Ya know, nothing drastic or nothing that would appear incorrect. Just a tad, a smidgen, little dab will do ya kind of thing. lol
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Originally posted by Fruda
They're easy to read even at 800x600... I'm really not seeing the problem here.
For you they are, for some they aren't. Get use to the realities of life kid, despite what your mommy and daddy tell you every night when they tuck you in, the world does not revolve an arse such as you.
ack-ack
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Gameplay should not be altered for the benefit of people who whine needlessly.
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Originally posted by Fruda
Gameplay should not be altered for the benefit of people who whine needlessly.
Were talking size of gauges here Einstein. No gameplay altering and nobody is whining but you.
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i run 1028 768 and also have trouble reading the p38 gauges. slightly larger gauges and indicators would be helpful
the last patch did brighten the dive flap indicator slightly. but its still hard to read. the gauges are nowhere near as easy to read as in many other planes.
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Originally posted by Fruda
Gameplay should not be altered for the benefit of people who whine needlessly.
So, tell us how making the gauges more legible at different resolutions will alter the game play?
ack-ack
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What you guys doing with your heads in the cockpit looking at guages? The bad guys are outside!
But seriously folks. What are you looking at in the cockpit? I think the only guages I glance at are the fuel and the flap guage.
Dan/Slack
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Aren't they interchangeable? :D
Originally posted by Guppy35
the only guages I glance at are the fuel and the flap guage.
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LOL Ocassionaly I like to know at what alt, speed, etc I am at. :D
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I agree that the gauges need to be clearer, however it's done.
Also, if you have time to be worried about alt/exact airspeed, you can hold down 8 and zoom in with arrow-up and page down to get the gauges in easy sight, then hit F10 and let go of 8. That way when you have no buttons pushed you're looking at the default level, but if you push 8, you're looking into your gauges like a midget.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
LOL Ocassionaly I like to know at what alt, speed, etc I am at. :D
Guess this will sound goofy, but can't you guage how high you are in relation to things by looking outside the cockpit? :)
And after flying a particular AH bird, don't you get a 'feel' for your speed?
Maybe that's why I get shot down so often. I gotta look at the guages more :)
Dan/Slack
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Originally posted by Delirium
Aren't they interchangeable? :D
As you well know, I'm generally leaking fuel and have my flaps shot off, so I guess that makes them somewhat interchangable :)
Dan/Slack
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Guess this will sound goofy, but can't you guage how high you are in relation to things by looking outside the cockpit? :)
And after flying a particular AH bird, don't you get a 'feel' for your speed?
Dan/Slack
Yea, that works pretty well if you are close to deck, but not so hot with alt.
I don`t know, just call me silly I guess, but in the scheme of things this just seems like a small thing to ask for.
I mean we have dust on the runways now, fireballs for the puffy, water splashing wake for the PTs and now a working .45 that is a cool thought I guess , but totaly useless. I would just like to be able to read the gauges in the plane I happen to be flying. I`m just funny like that. :D
Frankly , another thing I am concerned about, seeing how the 84 was introduced new and these gauges were sized like this in the new 38s and the reworked L, I am hoping this is not going to be the norm for the future reworking of all planes.
It just doesn`t appear to me that a little , just a tad, of resizing would be that big of a deal to do.
I`d like to hear from Pyro, Suds, Supe or HT concerning this. Maybe I am wrong and this is a big feat to accomplish.
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:D A little perspective.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1109519937_38real.jpeg)
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I think the point is that:
1) This is a game, not real life, played using a limited resolution computer monitor.
2) It makes good business sense for HTC to consider allowing those of us with worse than 20-20 vision to still enjoy the game we are paying $15. a month for.
3) Keeping the gauges readable by slightly enlarging them does not affect gameplay for other players. (Not like changing the performance of one's favorite plane).
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Here's an idea: How about instead of changing the gauge sizes in general, why not add an "increase gauge size" option?
I get pissed off when a few people start complaining, and then sometimes, whaddya know, the game gets changed for the worse because of it. Not just this game, but a lot of games (Half-Life mods, mainly).
This just seems like it would be a lot better than changing it completely. Sort of like the Easy Flight switches.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Guess this will sound goofy, but can't you guage how high you are in relation to things by looking outside the cockpit? :)
And after flying a particular AH bird, don't you get a 'feel' for your speed?
Maybe that's why I get shot down so often. I gotta look at the guages more :)
Dan/Slack
I use my instruments, they can fill in the gaps for me that you can't get because of the lack of sensory information that is inherent in PC flightsims. The G indicator I use a lot, especially in high speed maneuvering so I won't blow too much E in turns.
ack-ack
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Fruda,
What we are talking about here is not "changing the gauge size", but "retaining the traditional gauge size". The concern is that the new, smaller gauge size on the Frank and the 38s will be extended to the whole lineup.
I don't think people had a problem with gauge size as it was prior to the above 2 new planes. Anyway, I didn't.
Looking at them again, it's not just the overall size, but the size of the markings and needle, plus reflections off the glass. They are pretty, but I would vote against going any farther in that direction, due to the readability issue. The 38 gauges seem to be incrementally less readable than the Frank's, to my eye.
Also, Fruda, as people get older, more and more body parts get "****ed up", as you put it. Getting glasses only works up to a point. Also, the ability to focus at different distances gradually goes away, and glasses don't help much with this (not even bifocals). You may well experience this phenomenon when you get past 50... :-)
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Fruda, try to get a grip, would ya.
Once again, as has been explained to you before, we are not talking about changing the game. I`d like to know what you think would hinder your Aceness so much by retaining the original gauge size. :D What do you fly under, IDwise anyway? Man you must have everything honed to a delicate fine edge if this is going to hinder your gameplay.
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Did I say it would hinder my gameplay? It would hinder my experience as a whole, simply by knowing that once again, a very small amount of people whined hard enough to make the developers change the game, where complete change wasn't needed. It would almost ruin the look of the cockpit. It's like somebody permanently resizing the fonts on Internet Explorer. That would just suck.
I'm hoping that this scenario doesn't happen, but rather a switch that you could turn on to enlarge the instruments. The gauges are the size they're supposed to be --- but, having that switch for those of you with less than 20-20 vision would be nice.
Like I said, it's better than changing it for every one.
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What about this --
Could there be a setting to make the needles incandescently bright? That way nothing would have to be remodelled, and those of us with lower screen resolutions or ..... more mature, yeah, thats it...... eyes could still get a quick look at the data. Might not be able to see the numbers, but knowing the gauge's location and the needle's position would give everything I need.
And Fruda, my vision is 20/15 to 20/20. I have an LCD screen and have to run at 1024. The gauges on the new planes are almsot indecipherable for me at my preferred seat position -- and I think its a factor of the LCD pixel size. If I slide the seat forward and back, the distortion shifts and I can see different parts of the gauge graphic, but never the whole thing clearly at once.
Arrogant: 1. marked by or arising from an assumption of one's superiority toward others>
Examples come to mind? ;)
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Originally posted by Fruda
Did I say it would hinder my gameplay?
Now that you bring it up, yes you did.
Gameplay should not be altered for the benefit of people who whine needlessly.
And once again, nobody is whining here but you and I don`t think you even know what about.
It would hinder my experience as a whole, simply by knowing that once again, a very small amount of people whined hard enough to make the developers change the game, where complete change wasn't needed.
If change hinders your experience, then MAN have you picked the wrong game. The game changes on an ongoing basis. And yet once again , nobody is whining but you. And yes, the change is needed. Anyone that can comprehend can see that from this thead.
The gauges are the size they're supposed to be
You didn`t happen to run across that picture up there of the 38 cockpit did ya? And that was taken from outside, above and to the rear of the cockpit.
Once again I`d like to ask the question you never answered. What ID do you play under? I just need to see where all this Aceness is coming from. :D
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Honestly.....The very first thing I noticed when I took up the new 38 was that I could barely make out what guages were what. I'm no old fart, I'm 32 and my eyes are still in good shape (knock on wood) yet the difference in readability is there whether one likes it or not. I for one cannot for the life of me understand how making guages more readable would hinder anyones overall experience. Do you think HTC, if they make a change, is going to make it so drastic that it becomes too gamey or not historical??? If so, then in my opinion your not familiar with how Hitech conducts business. Try to be a little open minded and use a little common sense here, I really don't think thats too much to ask......this is NOT a half-life mod :rofl
Ya know what.....I bet if HTC took a poll and asked if the general public thought the new 38's guages were less readable than every other plane in the set the results would likely favor "yes"
I haven't seen anyone whining here....it's an observation. To some it's blatantly obvious, to others it may not be. So what? Just because someone doesn't notice something doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
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it's obvious from the pic. by makin' the gagues MORE like real life, they would be easier to read.
I too am wondering what Fruda's in game ID is...... guys that post lots of smack talk on the bbs, and don't use their in game ID always make we wonder.......
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i dont really care either way because i never fly those allied planes...
but at 1024x768 on my system, when i did try the new planes offline i could not read a single guage, i'll take a screenshot of what i see soon, keep the resolution, and make the jpeg no compression.
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73, still gonna post those screenies?
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Originally posted by Jackal1
73, still gonna post those screenies?
ummm
lol
old thread
lol serious i forgot, and saturday my PC went Buzzzt...........
blank, nothing, nada, zilch
pretty positive the power supple went, but not sure of residual damage. if there is any residual damage i may be out of the game for a month or more.
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Rut Roh.
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finally got it...
here's what they look like on my system:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1111622928_p38jcockpit.jpg)
this is on my system here:
http://home.wi.rr.com/jabostaffelhq/dxdiag.htm
this is with moniter brightness up to 2/3 contrast full / and gamma in game to 1.4 (with those moniter settings "black" is not black, but grayish
dont think they should be that dark..
that pic was taken from the raw BMP into paint shop pro, and saved with least compression to jpg, hopefully it kept most of the color quality
also that is the default "home" head position moved "up" just a tad to get the stick out of the way, but not forward or back
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Thank ya sir. :D
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Sometimes a quick mouse-pan view helps.
I've set one of my stick keys to toggle mouse-pan. I use only the altimeter and speedometer during fighting and don't have much trouble in seeing them in both the P38s and the Ki84. If I get rad/oil damage and have to check temperatures or fuel status, I toggle the mouse-pan and use the mouse to check individual gauges closely, and then toggle it back off.
(Mouse-pan view also helps a lot when using AA vehicles. Toggle mouse-pan, look around the skies freely, spot target, move turret, push F1(which instantly centers view) and fire.)
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nice gunsight jb73 :P
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im using most of them, but the 190d / 190a5 i use AERO's green one.
i did edit most of them, there was alot of noise around the edges and middle, i blacked that all out (manually LOL)
i also removed some parts, to make the middle less cluttered on some.
HiTech / Nate / Super / Pyro... should i have something set differently to get the clarity and brightness you had in the release screenshots of these new models?
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Last couple of nights I've been flying the P38J. The gauges are bit hard to read so I hit my zoom button on my joystick and adjust it in a few. I can read the guages, and my viz is a bit better all around the plane subsuquently.
I do the same with the Ki84. Maybe this is why HiTech programmed a zoom button into the game????:)