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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Yeager on February 19, 2005, 06:10:34 PM
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Oh my........
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/19/submarine.commissioned.ap/index.html
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"The USS Jimmy Carter is a heavily armed fast attack submarine."
Unlike its namesake LMAO
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bout time this dinosaurs leave, who needs them? they just eat
your Tax.
"It was part of our strategy on how we were going to win World War III...."
hehe again a dinosaur speak ;)
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Indeed a dinosaur of no use but vast expense!
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Of no use, yeah right :rolleyes:
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If they want it to be true to it's namesake, they will only give it half the required ordinance, as when he was president, most all ships were at half magazines due to his budget disasters regarding the military. Let's not forget the work Reagan had to do to restore our military after the damage Jimmy did.
Then, use the Sub to give away things to avoid confrontation, as Jimmy did.
For the life of me I cannot understand why the Navy would allow a ship to be named after one of the worst Presidents to ever hold office.
dago
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The Virginia class isn't quite a dinosaur the way the Seawolf could be, it's designed to operate in littoral waters, a capability that makes it useful against a wide variety of threats.
It's a lot cheaper, too, made with many COTS components.
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If it is equipped to replace Parche, it will pay for itself many times over.
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Originally posted by Dago
For the life of me I cannot understand why the Navy would allow a ship to be named after one of the worst Presidents to ever hold office.
dago
Carter was very good to the submarine black ops guys and that's whose sub this is. Add in the fact that he was one of Rickover's guys and it's a no brainer.
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The naming is perfect, considering his submarine service. After all, it's not like they named an airport after the guy who fired all the air traffic controllers or anything, right?
...wait
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Originally posted by Chairboy
The naming is perfect, considering his submarine service. After all, it's not like they named an airport after the guy who fired all the air traffic controllers or anything, right?
...wait
I don't think any ATCer's have new equipment named/dedicated to Ronald Reagan.
Carter was the worst president in modern history.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
The naming is perfect, considering his submarine service. After all, it's not like they named an airport after the guy who fired all the air traffic controllers or anything, right?
...wait
and I beleive he was absolutely right in doing so.
Had my full support.
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Hopefully it's more effective than he was.
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I don't really have a strong opinion on the name, just saw an opportunity for 'ye olde reagan intl airport vs. ATC' joke.
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ATC violated their government contract. Reagan was right to Fire all those bastards! He even warned the dumb****s too lol
To name a Warship after Jimmy Carter is a disgrace to the ship and her crew.
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Reagan was in the Navy too, thats why he got his boat. :p
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/145_1108876877_ronnieboy.jpg)
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Someone in the navy still has a HUGE sense of humour.
I wonder if Jimmy is proud or pissed off.
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proud and jimmy carter are mutually exclusive.
carter makes wee willy clinton look like a WAR HERO (puke)
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Originally posted by Yeager
proud and jimmy carter are mutually exclusive.
carter makes wee willy clinton look like a WAR HERO (puke)
You obviously don't know anything about Carter's Naval service. He was hand picked by Rickover. Not a small statement.
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oh my.....CARTER IS HIMMLER!!!!!!!!OH JEEBUS!!!!
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Yeager, are you mixing medications? Just because you think someone is a poor president doesn't mean that every other aspect of their life must be cat crap too. Rickover was the ultimate navy hardass. He demanded perfection, and got it. He was a real jerk, too, but he's the reason we haven't lost a nuke sub since the Scorpion. Compare that with the Soviet/Russian safety record, and you might realize just how big a feat that is, and just how unforgiving the depths are.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
The Virginia class isn't quite a dinosaur the way the Seawolf could be, it's designed to operate in littoral waters, a capability that makes it useful against a wide variety of threats.
It's a lot cheaper, too, made with many COTS components.
yep it is cheaper by a billion. Billions just dont stretch like they used to. lol
At a procurement rate of 1 boat per year, Virginia-class SSNs cost about $1.9 billion to $2.0 billion per boat to procure. This cost might decline to about $1.8 billion per boat at a procurement rate of 2 boats per year or $1.6-$1.7 billion per boat at a procurement rate of 3 or 4 boats per year
jimmy carter--- The Navy does not acknowledge that the $3.2 billion submarine...
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Originally posted by NUKE
I don't think any ATCer's have new equipment named/dedicated to Ronald Reagan.
Carter was the worst president in modern history.
So you start "modern history" sometime after 1974?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
It's a lot cheaper, too, made with many COTS components.
Possibly, but as far as the U.S. military is concerned, there's no such thing as COTS. We always modify. :)
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Carter is a geniune, honest, straight shooting, 98th percentile IQ guy. And he was a hell of a sailor and an officer.
No wonder he's considered a failure in american politics.
To those of you who chose to deride him because you can't get past your brand loyalty. Why don't you write a letter to any of the enlisted founding members of Delta, the detatchment not the airline, and ask them what their opinion of President Carter is.
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The five worst presidents in recent history are:
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Harry Trumann
John F. Kennedy
Lyndon B. Johnson
Jimmy Carter
Billy Jeff
I think the worst of all was LBJ.
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Nixon was probably the worst, total and complete abuse of power for his own egotistic purposes. There are people who he would've liked to have seen dead who are working in the whitehouse today, most prominently Rumsfield.
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I'd like to add that JFK expressed a Weltbild that I whole heartedly embrace. The exact prose escapes me, but something about exterminating oppression.
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Originally posted by storch
The five worst presidents in recent history are:
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Harry Trumann
John F. Kennedy
Lyndon B. Johnson
Jimmy Carter
Billy Jeff
I think the worst of all was LBJ.
Anyone but Bush?
:aok
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I was in under Carter.
Maintenance, supplies and even fuel were so short that we had to do...literally......... illegal things to get the necessary stuff to fly NSA directed reconnaissance missions.
I got out because of Carter.
I don't hate him or anything but....... good President? Not from my vantage point.
Name a sub after him? Sure.. he did after all rise to the Presidency. Not many folks can say that. But just don't pretend he was somehow "good" for the military. That'd be a joke.
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Which in itself is just odd... an ex-military man becomes president and bad for the military.
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I think Carter, at heart, is basically a good person.
But, IMO, he wasn't ready for Prime Time in DC. They ate him alive. Running Georgia didn't properly prepare him for running the nation. Apparently, neither did anything else in his career as a military person or politician.
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Originally posted by rpm
You obviously don't know anything about Carter's Naval service. He was hand picked by Rickover. Not a small statement.
All nuke officers were hand picked by Rickover, and individually interviewed by him. At least, they were until the old gentleman's retirement.
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Good for the military often means culling. The 1991 downsizing was one of the best things to happen to the US army. Speaking from the perspective of a grunt in a line unit, all of the 8up fat tulips were fired.
My generation were told horror stories from the senior NCO's of how ****edup the 70s and early 80s Army was. Full of nonprofessional ****ups who couldn't make it on the outside and had nowhere else to go.
When I was in, if you wanted out, pretty much all you had to do was knock on the commander's door. Unfortunately that started to change about 1997.
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Originally posted by Toad
I think Carter, at heart, is basically a good person.
But, IMO, he wasn't ready for Prime Time in DC. They ate him alive. Running Georgia didn't properly prepare him for running the nation. Apparently, neither did anything else in his career as a military person or politician.
Yeah that's basically how I see it. Carter may well of been the most intelligent man to ever hold the presidential office. I'm talking raw intelligence. He also had the misfortune of coming from very good parents. He left a sterling naval career when he bacame the eldest male of his family. It's not that he wasn't ready for prime time, don't confuse honor with nievety as so many do. He just didn't compromise his values. It's a rather distastfull truth that american executive politicians in todays age are really corporate employees.
Look at what the man's doing since he left office, he could be profiteering like so many of his collegues, but he's imbued with that quality that seems so rare nowadays, that is, to do good, just because you can. He's what men who guys like you and I look up to when asked, would refer to as "a good guy".
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Originally posted by Suave
It's not that he wasn't ready for prime time, don't confuse honor with nievety as so many do. He just didn't compromise his values.
As you like.
However, the point is that when he got to DC he was unable to accomplish much.
He simply wasn't prepared. You can source this anyway you like, honor, naivete, principles, rube-come-to-the-big-city.... whatever.
He simply didn't get the job done on any front, the military being the one I was deeply concerned with at that time.
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I don't think Carter is a bad person but I don't think politics is his strong point.
He's too much of a liberal to be able to handle tough circumstances.
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Originally posted by Mighty1
He's too much of a liberal to be able to handle tough circumstances.
What a load of crap.
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No more than the ones in here trying to say he was a GOOD President.
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Maybe they can have a USS Lewinsky, then they can go down together :)
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
bout time this dinosaurs leave, who needs them? they just eat
your Tax.
"It was part of our strategy on how we were going to win World War III...."
hehe again a dinosaur speak ;)
A tremndous deterrent to war, I'm thinking. Best to have it, and not use it, than to need it, and not have it. Part of the price of freedom.
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Originally posted by Suave
Nixon was probably the worst, total and complete abuse of power for his own egotistic purposes. There are people who he would've liked to have seen dead who are working in the whitehouse today, most prominently Rumsfield.
Really?
Nixon was one of our better Presidents. Carter was a completely naive embicile, and still is today.
Today he goes around the world certifying bogus elections ( Palestine) and criticizing legitimate elections ( Iraq)
He's a fool on the world stage.
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So why is the Delta Force .so thankful for President Carter\?
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"Carter was a completely naive embicile, and still is today.
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Originally posted by Mighty1
No more than the ones in here trying to say he was a GOOD President.
Who said he was a GOOD President?
:aok
You keep on thinkin Mighty... that's what your good at.
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Nixon was the best President ever! So he taped a few episodes of "all in the family". At least he didn't break into the George McGovern camp....... never mind.
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(http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/05.02.20.USSIronic-X.gif)
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The 453-foot, 12,000-ton submarine has a 50-torpedo payload and eight torpedo tubes. And, according to intelligence experts, it can tap undersea cables and eavesdrop on the communications passing through them.
Anybody know anything about this? I'd be interested in reading about it. I mean, really, wtf do you do? Dive down and jam some sort of probe into it? Or is it a really strong sat uplink with some banana sitting behind an NSA desk?
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I dont recall the series/epsiode name...but the History Channel had a neat show about the Cold War Subs...how they secretly tapped into Russian communications via underwater taps, etc
If you can catch it on re-runs, or buy the tape/dvd from them, its pretty amazing.
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Originally posted by LePaul
I dont recall the series/epsiode name...but the History Channel had a neat show about the Cold War Subs...how they secretly tapped into Russian communications via underwater taps, etc
If you can catch it on re-runs, or buy the tape/dvd from them, its pretty amazing.
"Blind Man's Bluff" buy the book it's an amazing read
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When I was on USCGC Boutwell, we spent 45 days off Fairway Rock as a Seal Team "repaired" an underwater communications cable. ;)