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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Raider179 on February 19, 2005, 07:50:45 PM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/politics/20talk.html?ei=5065&en=3d3a7b4f99465096&ex=1109480400&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print&position=
that is an interesting read
But when Mr. Wead said that Mr. Bush had in the past publicly denied using cocaine, Mr. Bush replied, "I haven't denied anything."
He refused to answer reporters' questions about his past behavior, he said, even though it might cost him the election. Defending his approach, Mr. Bush said: "I wouldn't answer the marijuana questions. You know why? Because I don't want some little kid doing what I tried."
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Pretty interesting. It confirms my idea that Bush stands for what he believes in and doesn't let politics or anything else define who he is and what he believes.
The more I hear about Bush, the more I respect him.
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"As the author of a new book about presidential childhoods, Mr. Wead could benefit from any publicity, but he said that was not a motive in disclosing the tapes."
hahahaa.... yaright. :aok
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George Bush has morals. I really like him personally for that.
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Basically who gives a **** if he did a few drugs back in the '70s? It's not as if everyone else wasn't...
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well to me its because he along with congress fund the "drug war". He got to make "mistakes" that other people get to go to jail for.
Plus is some rehabed cokehead/pothead the best we can do for president? Apparently so.
But there was more to the article than that. I just thought those stuck out. Kinda gives an insider look into how he thinks. I suggest reading it.
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Originally posted by Raider179
well to me its because he along with congress fund the "drug war". He got to make "mistakes" that other people get to go to jail for.
Excellent point Raider.
Maybe he should institute the "president Bush get out of jail" system. All you have to do is find Jebus and you're off the hook ? :rolleyes:
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"It's me versus the world." - GWB
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well raider... I did a lot of things that I don't do anymore. If I would have gotten caught I would have went to prison.
Does that mean that I have no right now to say those things were wrong and that people who are caught doing them should go to prison?
a siimple example is... do you believe it is wrong to exceed the speed limit or fudge your taxes? If you go five mph over the speed limit or lie about how much you gave to charity.... does that mean that you have no right to want someone arrested who goes 70mph in a school zone or cheats the government out of a billion dollars in taxes?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
well raider... I did a lot of things that I don't do anymore. If I would have gotten caught I would have went to prison.
Does that mean that I have no right now to say those things were wrong and that people who are caught doing them should go to prison?
a siimple example is... do you believe it is wrong to exceed the speed limit or fudge your taxes? If you go five mph over the speed limit or lie about how much you gave to charity.... does that mean that you have no right to want someone arrested who goes 70mph in a school zone or cheats the government out of a billion dollars in taxes?
lazs
when did people get thrown in jail for 5 mph over? here in ga you have to be 10 over to get a ticket and 30 gets you reckless driving. As for taxes yeah you have no right to complain about a company doing the same thing as you. Its called being a HYPOCRITE. But that being said there is a big difference between you complaining about it or wanting it, and the PRESIDENT doing it. You have nothing you can really do about it but complain, the president and his congress do the money, make the laws so they are ultimately responsible for the "drug war". To me I find something seriously wrong with people who did something wanting to lock other people up for the same thing.
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Originally posted by JB88
"It's me versus the world." - GWB
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Yeah I saw that quote 88 and just thought his ego is getting out of control. He won a 2nd term by a huge majority but its all about BUSH. He likes his role in history, he likes fighting wars, and then he takes all the credit as if he is out there doing all the work. Hey Bush hows the ranch in texas? He doesnt even stay in D.C. because he is scared. One thing he lacks is humility, I have seen so many speeches where he is talking about something tragic, (soldiers deaths, civilian casulties, the world hating america) and he always grins like something is funny. I figured it was just because he remembered the prepared answer to the question and thats why he smiled but sometimes I wonder.
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Nothing shocking IMHO. It is nice to hear his rational for taking the stance that he took re. drug use questions. Seems reasonable to me.
Much ado about nothing aside from that.
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It's interesting seeing him rationalise out and out lies.
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I don't care if he was a coke head in the past...the swift boat crew might care or think he was comitting treason by going against the war on drugs, but I don't care (hopefully his opiate receptors have recovered otherwise he would still be prone to wild mood swings).
Wow, a politician who is not upfront about his past or that different rules apply to him - knock me over with a feather.
Bush doesn't bother me, but those who think he's Jesus Christ do bother me - well scare me in a freaky sort of way.
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I know Doug Wead from his Amway days. That he would tape stuff without W's knowledge doesn't surprise me one bit. He is a shameless self promoter and only interested in advancing his latest agenda. I'm surprised he didn't do it prior to the '04 election.
It is as Nuke stated, with Mr. Bush it is what you see is what you get. Very refreshing for a 21st Century american politician.
Thanks for posting that piece.
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actually with bush you get what he "feels" you should know. The rest he thinks is justifiable to cover up, lie, hide, or whatever other means of not answering questions. He is no different.
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raider
are you over 25?
me don't think so
get back with us when your brain catches up with your mouth
and don't worry - you have less than 4 years to go
LOL LOL LOL
how do you feel about a Republican black woman POTUS?
Ya better start searching her closet now...
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27...but there you go trying to think
If you think Condi is gonna be the next president I gotta say you are friggin retarded.
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Originally posted by Raider179
27...but there you go trying to think
If you think Condi is gonna be the next president I gotta say you are friggin retarded.
spoken like a boy from GA :)
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Originally posted by Eagler
spoken like a boy from GA :)
Again trying to think... I am from ND but live in GA. You have nothing constructive to say but just want to trade insults. Have fun by yourself.
btw The reason I dont think she will be POTUS is because it seems pretty obvious to me its gonna be McCain.
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Like there's a huge difference between Atlanta and Tampa.
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Originally posted by JB88
"It's me versus the world." - GWB
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The rest of that quote...
And he is cocky at times. "It's me versus the world," he told Mr. Wead. "The good news is, the world is on my side. Or more than half of it."
How is that its you vs. the world when more than half is on your side?
lol Nash
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Now that is a good question... Kinda dumb of GWB to say it then ... huh?
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Originally posted by Raider179
btw The reason I dont think she will be POTUS is because it seems pretty obvious to me its gonna be McCain.
well. IF it were to be a republican, it would either be mccain or newt gingrich (oh ya, he's gunnin for it...but i like mccain in that race...
condi is a tier administrator. she just doesnt have presidential ego.
etc.
etc.
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Originally posted by Nash
Like there's a huge difference between Atlanta and Tampa.
bout the same as Montreal and NY City :)
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Mmm... not so much, Eagler... Nope.
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Eagler, I'm 46 and I wish I still cared as much as when I was 25.
Frankly, if I'm fed and watered I dont give a flying frankfurter (:rolleyes: ) about politics. If I get a hankering for prostitutes, I'll hit Bourbon Street ( or Airline highway in the real world) and avoid the Iowa caucus.
The only differencee between 25 and 40 something is the part of your brain you use the most (front/back). Its not always better.
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Originally posted by Raider179
Plus is some rehabed cokehead/pothead the best we can do for president? Apparently so.
You forgot convicted drunk driver.
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By the time yer 45-46 years old, the lenses in your eyes have hardened to such an extent that you're forced to pick up a pair of reading glasses.
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I've got 4 pairs - one in the bathroom, one in the kitchen, one by my bed and one by my puter :)
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raider... 70 mph is not 5 mph over the speed limit in a school zone.. you will indeed be jailed if you go 70 in a school zone (or should be)
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
raider... 70 mph is not 5 mph over the speed limit in a school zone.. you will indeed be jailed if you go 70 in a school zone (or should be)
lazs
yeah but your quote was using a guy who went 5 over complaining about a guy that does 70 in a school zone. Now you switch that to a guy that does 30 over talking about a guy who does 70 over maybe you see where I am coming from.
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I dont see where you are coming from.
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Originally posted by Raider179
27...but there you go trying to think
If you think Condi is gonna be the next president I gotta say you are friggin retarded.
He was asking your age not your IQ.
But thanks for the info anyway. Of course we kinda already knew the answer.:lol
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your grandchildren can tell their children how you despised him
LOL LOL LOL
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Originally posted by Mighty1
He was asking your age not your IQ.
But thanks for the info anyway. Of course we kinda already knew the answer.:lol
You got something to say do it. I see you say I am not intelligent but you post nothing to back it up. Nice attempt at some lame bellybutton humor though. Havent heard that one since the 70s.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I dont see where you are coming from.
Its about the pot calling the kettle black.
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so raider... some laws are ok for you to break but not others because of.... severity?
Bush doing a line of coke in his youth gives him no right to make laws against a dealer selling crack to kids?
Going five miles over the speed limit on purpose is breaking the law and by your logic you would be a hypocrite to talk about someone going 70 in a school zone or.... is your contention that if you go 5 mph over then you have bought on to everyone who goes five mph over? How bout 10? 20? 30?
how bout someone who got his licence taken away for speeding and now doesn't speed? Is he a hypocrite if he tells people he was wrong in the past and thinks that speeders should be punished?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
so raider... some laws are ok for you to break but not others because of.... severity?
Bush doing a line of coke in his youth gives him no right to make laws against a dealer selling crack to kids?
Going five miles over the speed limit on purpose is breaking the law and by your logic you would be a hypocrite to talk about someone going 70 in a school zone or.... is your contention that if you go 5 mph over then you have bought on to everyone who goes five mph over? How bout 10? 20? 30?
how bout someone who got his licence taken away for speeding and now doesn't speed? Is he a hypocrite if he tells people he was wrong in the past and thinks that speeders should be punished?
lazs
I am sorry but comparing speeding to drug use is not really the point. Speeding doesnt affect one's mental capacity they way drugs have been proven to.
Severity is defintely a factor. Do you really think Bush did A line of coke? He was a rich man doing a rich mans drug and my guess would be plenty of it.
Hmmm telling them they are wrong..no
Going around funding police efforts to give other speeders tickets...yep
Now see I got from that article that Bush says its ok to lie(or not tell the whole truth, which my mom always said is still lying even if its not technically) rather that fess up for the good of the kids. Awww isn't he so considerate. Like kids use the president for a role model these days. They all try to act like eminem and 50cent. I propose the real reason he doesn't talk about it is because he was really addicted and doesnt want to have to talk about it not because he is looking out for the kids. He just found a diplomatic way of avoiding the situation.
But enough bush bashin for me today. I just think its a sad state of affairs when the best we got is him and his spineless buddy kerry.
FYI I think bush was 35 if I remember right when he quit/found jesus. Not exactly his youth.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Bush doesn't bother me, but those who think he's Jesus Christ do bother me - well scare me in a freaky sort of way.
He's NOT?:(
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raider... you seem to be saying that you think Bush is still doing coke but busting other casual users. Is that correct?
Would it be wrong for a former burglar to vote to increase the penalties on burglary?
oh... and 35 is not youth? The man is allmost 60 now ... that was more than two decades ago or.... about the same length of time that you have been on the earth if you don't count the crapping your diaper years. Are you saying that none of your opinions have changed in your lifetime?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
oh... and 35 is not youth? The man is allmost 60 now ... that was more than two decades ago or.... about the same length of time that you have been on the earth if you don't count the crapping your diaper years. Are you saying that none of your opinions have changed in your lifetime?
lazs
Sort of skirting the issue there lazs.
Bottom line: Bush is making people pay for transgressions he himself comitted and never paid for.
You see no hypocrisy?
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Originally posted by Horn
Sort of skirting the issue there lazs.
Bottom line: Bush is making people pay for transgressions he himself comitted and never paid for.
You see no hypocrisy?
Not at all. I'm not surprised you'll make that stretch, though.
You're suggesting that once you do something wrong, you must forever give people a free pass to commit the same wrong?
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Originally posted by Martlet
Not at all. I'm not surprised you'll make that stretch, though.
You're suggesting that once you do something wrong, you must forever give people a free pass to commit the same wrong?
sure
isn't that the way we all raised our own children? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Martlet
Not at all. I'm not surprised you'll make that stretch, though.
You're suggesting that once you do something wrong, you must forever give people a free pass to commit the same wrong?
Yeah with drugs that is what I am saying. Now, murder, burglary, and lots of other stuff that is not the case.
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Originally posted by lazs2
raider... you seem to be saying that you think Bush is still doing coke but busting other casual users. Is that correct?
Would it be wrong for a former burglar to vote to increase the penalties on burglary?
oh... and 35 is not youth? The man is allmost 60 now ... that was more than two decades ago or.... about the same length of time that you have been on the earth if you don't count the crapping your diaper years. Are you saying that none of your opinions have changed in your lifetime?
lazs
No not still doing it. I dont think burglary should be legal. But I think drugs should be. See you keep saying things like vote and complain. I am talking enforcement and funding. I am also talking strictly about drugs and shouldnt have gotten off track about it.
35 is not youth. 35 is old enough to have known better.
yeah my opinions still change, but from the time I knew what drugs were I knew they were bad for you and it didnt take me till 35 to quit using them. Nor would I feel the need to keep it secret to "protect" the children. It seems better to me to explain you dabbled and it was wrong and you regret it than to hide the fact you did it.
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Originally posted by Raider179
Yeah with drugs that is what I am saying. Now, murder, burglary, and lots of other stuff that is not the case.
That's right.
I forgot you were the hypocrisy rule maker.
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I don't care about drugs. I think they should probly be legal. I am a former drug addict. I have seen a lot of people hurt by drugs. legalizing em will probly hurt a lot more but I think people should decide.
I drove around loaded. I would vote to make it illegal and very stiff penalties for driving loaded.
Does that make me a hypocrite or someone who has experiance on the subject?
Does that disallow me from voicing any negative comments or voting for restrictions on drugs?
I think it makes me better qualified.
I think we should end womens suffrage for the same reasons.
lazs
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Originally posted by Martlet
That's right.
I forgot you were the hypocrisy rule maker.
now you know :)
The difference being martlet is drug use only affects the person (unless they go do something the wouldnt have ordinarily) but murder, burglary and other things of that type are crimes against people.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't care about drugs. I think they should probly be legal. I am a former drug addict. I have seen a lot of people hurt by drugs. legalizing em will probly hurt a lot more but I think people should decide.
I drove around loaded. I would vote to make it illegal and very stiff penalties for driving loaded.
Does that make me a hypocrite or someone who has experiance on the subject?
Does that disallow me from voicing any negative comments or voting for restrictions on drugs?
I think it makes me better qualified.
I think we should end womens suffrage for the same reasons.
lazs
I do see your point lazs I just wish he would fess up. I don't like the president deciding what information about his life he is going to reveal and what he is gonna keep secret.
As for legalization its so easy to get anything now I dont see that it could do any harm. When I was young 16 or so it was always easier to get drugs than alcohol and beer. Drug dealers dont care how old you are. I think if anything legalization will get rid of the money supply that goes to gangs and thugs and we could tax the almighty hell out of it.
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well.... I would say that he is a lot more open about it that most politicians have been in the past... "smoked it but didn't inhale"???? what the hell is that?
I disagree that legalizing it would not cause a lot more addicts. There really are addicts out there that have never tried drugs simply because they are law abiding for one reason or another. Fear or morality...
Take the stigma away from it and you would add another whole group of potential addicts. Still... not really my call. let grown men decide how they want to destroy their lives or not.
freedom is never free.. sometimes it is cheap but not in the case of drugs I don't think. booze is legal and it is probly one of the worst problems this country has to deal with.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
well.... I would say that he is a lot more open about it that most politicians have been in the past... "smoked it but didn't inhale"???? what the hell is that?
I could never figure out what was so unbelievable about that.
Surely you've seen it yourself, lazs. I know I musta seen it a hundred times. College parties, the joint gets passed around, and it winds up in the hands of someone who has never smoked anything before, and is just not interested in drugs. He feebly tugs at the thing, holds the smoke in his mouth for a few seconds then *poof* blows it out before passing the joint on.
Clinton could easily have been one of those guys.
And those guys are a lot different breed than, say, a Bush Jr. type who has a coke and alcohol problem big enough to have to admit to.... right up until 35 years old.
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Originally posted by Nash
I could never figure out what was so unbelievable about that.
Surely you've seen it yourself, lazs. I know I musta seen it a hundred times. College parties, the joint gets passed around, and it winds up in the hands of someone who has never smoked anything before, and is just not interested in drugs. He feebly tugs at the thing, holds the smoke in his mouth for a few seconds then *poof* blows it out before passing the joint on.
Clinton could easily have been one of those guys.
nope .. I can say I've never seen that type of fruit loop, just the opposite with my buds :)
If you believe slick willie on that one ... I guess you believe him when he said "I did not have sex with that women" then went on to define SEX for the rest of us ........... HAHHA HAHA HAHA !!! ROTFL !!
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Originally posted by Eagler
nope .. I can say I've never seen that type of fruit loop, just the opposite with my buds :)
If you believe slick willie on that one ... I guess you believe him when he said "I did not have sex with that women" then went on to define SEX for the rest of us ........... HAHHA HAHA HAHA !!! ROTFL !!
Did we ever really get to find out what "is" is?
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Originally posted by Raider179
.... I dont think burglary should be legal. But I think drugs should be.....
Hi Raider....
Just a question....Not a flame or anything....
By this statment you make...could it be that this is an underlying reason for you havuing a problem with him funding the "War on Drugs"? It looks like IMHO mind you...that your having this deal because he did someting in his earlier years...saw the wrong in it...stopped doinig it....wants it stopped...and you have a problem with that.
:confused:
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Originally posted by RedTop
Hi Raider....
Just a question....Not a flame or anything....
By this statment you make...could it be that this is an underlying reason for you havuing a problem with him funding the "War on Drugs"? It looks like IMHO mind you...that your having this deal because he did someting in his earlier years...saw the wrong in it...stopped doinig it....wants it stopped...and you have a problem with that.
:confused:
I want him to be honest about his past drug problem. I think it went way beyond the "smoke and didnt inhale" Clinton, and the admitted smoking Gore. Bush Not talking about it makes me think it must have been really bad. After all rich guys and coke....Seems to me he is teaching Kids its alright to lie/not tell the whole truth about things instead of taking responsibility for what you have done. I would rather explain to kids why drugs are bad and what was bad about them, then to just try the "just say no" program again. That really worked well when Nancy Reagan tried it.
Your right Red I do have a problem with a past cokehead waging the war on drugs.
After all if bush was such a drug user and he wound up being president of the united states, why are we locking people up for using? Maybe they aren't worth locking people up over.
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Originally posted by Eagler
nope .. I can say I've never seen that type of fruit loop, just the opposite with my buds :)
If you believe slick willie on that one ... I guess you believe him when he said "I did not have sex with that women" then went on to define SEX for the rest of us ........... HAHHA HAHA HAHA !!! ROTFL !!
Actually if you check the facts Clinton said he misspoke and regrets the quote.
:D
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Originally posted by lazs2
well.... I would say that he is a lot more open about it that most politicians have been in the past... "smoked it but didn't inhale"???? what the hell is that?
I disagree that legalizing it would not cause a lot more addicts. There really are addicts out there that have never tried drugs simply because they are law abiding for one reason or another. Fear or morality...
Take the stigma away from it and you would add another whole group of potential addicts. Still... not really my call. let grown men decide how they want to destroy their lives or not.
freedom is never free.. sometimes it is cheap but not in the case of drugs I don't think. booze is legal and it is probly one of the worst problems this country has to deal with.
lazs
He is open about some things , not about others just like other politicians.
I agree it is doubtful clinton didnt inhale, he seems like a smoker to me.
I would think the number of people that dont use that would start is fairly small. I don't know anyone who would start using drugs that already doesnt just because it was legal. I think taking money from drug dealers would be a lot more beneficial than having to deal with some new users. Like I said we could tax it and use that money for rehabs, war on terror, homeland security, social security the list goes on and on. But instead we throw people in jail and let dealers become billionaires.
I also agree alchohol is worse than some drugs(weed) and better than others(heroin, pcp).
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Originally posted by Raider179
After all if bush was such a drug user and he wound up being president of the united states, why are we locking people up for using? Maybe they aren't worth locking people up over.
Wow! What a statement! Simple, to the point, and couldn't be more true! Cheers!
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Heh first time I agree with a leftie.
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Originally posted by Raider179
I want him to be honest about his past drug problem. I think it went way beyond the "smoke and didnt inhale" Clinton, and the admitted smoking Gore. Bush Not talking about it makes me think it must have been really bad. After all rich guys and coke....Seems to me he is teaching Kids its alright to lie/not tell the whole truth about things instead of taking responsibility for what you have done. I would rather explain to kids why drugs are bad and what was bad about them, then to just try the "just say no" program again. That really worked well when Nancy Reagan tried it.
Your right Red I do have a problem with a past cokehead waging the war on drugs.
After all if bush was such a drug user and he wound up being president of the united states, why are we locking people up for using? Maybe they aren't worth locking people up over.
Ok...thanks for the reply.
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Originally posted by Raider179
well to me its because he along with congress fund the "drug war". He got to make "mistakes" that other people get to go to jail for.
Plus is some rehabed cokehead/pothead the best we can do for president? Apparently so.
But there was more to the article than that. I just thought those stuck out. Kinda gives an insider look into how he thinks. I suggest reading it.
Take the following high school students and choose which one you would want to be the leader of your country.
Choice A: an opium addict
Choice B: an alchoholic barely getting by in school
Choice C: Good student. doesnt drink or do drugs
A = Winston Churchill
B = FDR
C = Adolph Hitler
People change...
(sorry if those facts arent EXACTLY right, going by memory of a random fact thing but the general facts are close to that)
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Originally posted by Raider179
well to me its because he along with congress fund the "drug war". He got to make "mistakes" that other people get to go to jail for.
Plus is some rehabed cokehead/pothead the best we can do for president? Apparently so.
But there was more to the article than that. I just thought those stuck out. Kinda gives an insider look into how he thinks. I suggest reading it.
Clinton lied about just simply "toking a joint". Ted Kenndy killed how many and got away with murder?
C'mon, this needs to be a Two-Way street.
Karaya
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Heh heh! OLE SLICK! He's still got a lot of people snookered! A slicked up Hooey Long, he is!!
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Originally posted by Raptor01
Take the following high school students and choose which one you would want to be the leader of your country.
Choice A: an opium addict
Choice B: an alchoholic barely getting by in school
Choice C: Good student. doesnt drink or do drugs
A = Winston Churchill
B = FDR
C = Adolph Hitler
People change...
(sorry if those facts arent EXACTLY right, going by memory of a random fact thing but the general facts are close to that)
Better fact check you churchill stuff.
Memory or this website, or one of the others like it.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/beethovenabort.htm
FYI I couldnt find any info that said churchill did opium just these websites that happened to be the same question you asked. He did like some alcohol but that is the extent of it as far as I have seen. If I am wrong please link to it.
You forgot George Washington grew Hemp.
Like I said earlier I think Bush should admit to what he did in his past. He wont talk about what he did before 35. 35 is not a kid, its not youth, that is a serious addiction and we as the people have a right to know if he has serious flaws like that.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Clinton lied about just simply "toking a joint". Ted Kenndy killed how many and got away with murder?
C'mon, this needs to be a Two-Way street.
Karaya
Are you seriously saying Bush should get a free pass on his past because of what someone else did? I don't like that clinton lied and I don't like Ted Kennedy so I am not sure what you saying.
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You children should read a teen's book called: "That was then, this is now".
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Originally posted by Nash
Like there's a huge difference between Atlanta and Tampa.
haha!
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Originally posted by lazs2
well.... I would say that he is a lot more open about it that most politicians have been in the past... "smoked it but didn't inhale"???? what the hell is that?
Saw a SNL skit where Dole(I think it was Dole) goes back in time to dig stuff up on Clinton. He ends up in the room where the joint is being passed around. It gets to Clinton(he's kind of a dork) and he doesn't inhale it, and is kinda laughed at. Dole: "Damnit, he really didn't inhale!" Well, it was funny at the time
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Originally posted by Raider179
...I would rather explain to kids why drugs are bad and what was bad about them,...
(http://ohregina.com/drugsrbad.jpg)
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nash... ok... you are saying that you have seen wussy dishonest and gutless students take a joint and pretend to inhale? Well... maybe... klinton did strike me as all those things but... If you didn't inhale then you didn't smoke pot... why not just say "no, I didn't smoke pot"? He certainly didn't have any trouble saying "I did not have sex with that woman" by rationalizing that getting a hummer is out of the sexual realm.
He certainly had very little qualms about lieing.
I think the hypocracy rests on those who claim that... once you participate in something you can then never condem it for others. Make great parents you would.
lazs
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Well... I don't know the circumstances. The little scenario I made up could be completely wrong.
Actually, someone here alluded to Clinton later clarifying what he did/said. I think I remember hearing the same, but I forget what that was.
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no matter how you look at it... it was wussy and dishonest.
lazs
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Not sure how you can say that when you and I don't know what happened.
But maybe I'm missing the point? Are you saying that in comparison, Bush was manly and honest?
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well... if you pretend to do soimething so that your friends will think you are cool... or... if you really do something that is illegal and then latter weazel your way out with some lame lie... then yes..
doing the thing and then admitting it later is far more honest and manly.
lazs
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But Bush didn't admit it.
That's what these tapes were about. That's what this thread was about.
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Originally posted by Nash
But Bush didn't admit it.
That's what these tapes were about. That's what this thread was about.
He certainly didn't lie about it, and he explained in the tapes why he didn't comment on it.
All those tapes show is he is exactly the person he portrays.
Unlike a past POTUS.
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admit? you don't have to go around with it tattooed on your forhead. Not dennieing something that you did is honesty.
You can say that you don't deny something but that the details are no one elses bussiness and that is honest.
lazs
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Originally posted by Raider179
Are you seriously saying Bush should get a free pass on his past because of what someone else did? I don't like that clinton lied and I don't like Ted Kennedy so I am not sure what you saying.
I really don't care. Bush came clean with what he did. Big deal, he did cocaine, and drank. I smoked pot for a couple of years (haven't touched it since summer of 95) and drank like a fish (only drove drunk once). Again, Clinton, LIED before being elected Big deal, he smoked a joint, then NUT UP AND ADMIT IT).
Some of this country believed in a politician who was stupid enough to get caught cheating on his wife. Yet, they still supported him, when he BLATANTLY committed perjury, and got away with it.
Sad thing is, the Democrats enjoy taking potshots at Bush. When the ONLY people they have to blame for the Dubya's election wins, are themselves.
Karaya
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LoL some of you are claiming Bush is honest by refusing to discuss what he did. To me that is dishonest. He is trying to give the impression that he didn't do drugs. Without the tapes there would be no proof that he had done them except his refusal to discuss it. Bush never admitted to using drugs. He might have admitted an alcohol problem but I cant remember. So to say Bush is more honest than clinton is not here nor there they were both full of it. Like some others have said I have seen several people hit joints and not inhale from not knowing how. Not that I believe Clinton, I just think that was his way of skirting the drug issue just like it Bush's way of just not talking about it. Final analysis both are dishonest.