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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Fatty on February 07, 2000, 10:08:00 PM
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...please give this a rest. If you think the game is not working or not modelled correctly, by all means post it up here, but while in the arena please give the rest of us a bloody break and die with some dignity. At times the scrolling of excuses and accusations makes the game itself a chore.
Fatty
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Yup. Well said. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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Yep, tonight I was flying along in my G10, when another G10 bounced me from a higher altitude. I throttled back and started to do a scissors to bleed as much energy as I could to force an overshoot. Watching in my rear view he gets closer and passes me. He still had energy, but curiously doesn't opt for the alt grab/regroup. He goes into a flat right turn back to me. Because of this E bleeding move I was able to put my cannon on him in the middle of his turn.
WOW! I was ready to give a "Great Fight ****!" on channel 1, when I see "nice warp hblair!", "ya warp from my 12 to my 6!".
I might lose my temper on occasion flying these simms, but one thing you won't see me do is squeak like a kid because someone outflew me. There won't be any excuses, *warping* and horsesh*t like that.
Take it on the chin like a man, then shut up and replane.
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hblair
JG77 WB's Historical Arena & Events
The ASSASSINS WB's Main Arena, ACA, & Aces High
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[This message has been edited by hblair (edited 02-07-2000).]
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Er, um, please don't take the new topic I just started as a whine. (There is no excuse for my poor SA skills. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ) I really do think I'm having a small problem right now. I landed dozens of cannon rnds from a 205 right into 2 seperate planes with ABSOLUTELY no damage whatsoever.
(BTW: I agree with you, I usually just give a " and good fight" and get on with it. Can't go back and do it again anyway.)
bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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I also dislike whining on open channel...I find that a lot of smiley faces in my responses usually dissolve the issue.
Just play the game I say (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)...somethings you can't do anything about online..unless some of the HTC guys are on.
Also if you have to whine to someone, take it on private - noone else wants to hear it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)..here's the command incase you didn't know:
.radio 2 callsign
Especially if you have something to say to me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Ex.
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Originally posted by bloom25:
Er, um, please don't take the new topic I just started as a whine. (There is no excuse for my poor SA skills. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ) I really do think I'm having a small problem right now. I landed dozens of cannon rnds from a 205 right into 2 seperate planes with ABSOLUTELY no damage whatsoever.
(BTW: I agree with you, I usually just give a " and good fight" and get on with it. Can't go back and do it again anyway.)
bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
That's my point Bloom, you see a problem from your end and you post about it on the boards, better for all concerned (This aside from the fact it didn't look like whining to me). By the way I *think* that was me since I didn't see any other 205s and was a spit over 24 at the time, fyi my FE didn't get any pings if you were seening sparks at your end.
Fatty
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Thank you Fatty for not taking my post as a whine, as it was not my intention. I was having a (IMO serious) problem, and was only trying to find a solution. IMO your post shows class and I thank you for it.
bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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CC, it would also be nice not to see any swear words....IMHO you are there to shoot someone, and to be shot at. No need to insult someone when he shoots at you....otherwise, go play Pokemon...
PS : Ehem...I sometimes do use rough words myself, when a W***er choots my chute...but that is for another thread
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Saw/Saintaw
BISHOP'S FINEST FLYING BRICK
DCO 186th Wardogs (Falcon4 Squad)
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"Firepower Mate, that is what separates the men from the boys..."
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ROFL, Pokemon (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (I saw someone with the handle of Pikachu back in tour 2, so be careful what you ask for. Soon all of our prized sheep may turn into little monsters that we must fly around and take pictures of. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
As for the chute shooting, enable our pistol after bailing and I guarantee it won't happen so much.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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We need to be able to turn off radio channels that we don't want to "hear", including (especially) the open channel.
popeye
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Unfortunately Fatty it'll never ALL go away.
It should diminish greatly on pay-to-play day but even then there will be some folks who will still find they have a captive audience and they'll piss and moan just to here themselves talk. And they'll claim that since they pay thier entitled to complain. (sure they are. Do it on fruckin email though !) Squelching them is the best you can do, barring having the ability to untune the common channel as Popeye mentioned. Use the squelch/ignore command and save yourself some hairs.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 02-08-2000).]
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As for the chute shooting, enable our pistol after bailing and I guarantee it won't happen so much.
I always wondered: can you actually shoot down planes with the pistol in WarBirds? Aces High pilots get a carbine though, even better! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I disagree with hblair. If the guy saw you warp at a very convient time, and said just that, that is not squeaking.
You are being magnamios(sp) in victory he is dissapointed in a defeat he feels is unfair but that was broadcast to the whole comunity.
I would likley point out to you that you appeared to warp over open channel. If it was a long fight and you did it every time I got a solution on you (has happend with to me several times) I would probably anounce that you are probably cheating.
If you are really magnaminous(sp) and innocent you will say (sorry ill relog) if not you will probably sceam "quite wining" and carry on a tirad about the evils of main channel wining for several miniutes. These tirads get as long as the usual 10 miniute monologs that follow someone compaining about chute shooters.
One post to vent about something is not a problem it is the ongoing babble that we sometimes get locked into that are inappropriate.
Just my opinion.
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
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If it was a long fight and you did it every time I got a solution on you (has happend with to me several times) I would probably anounce that you are probably cheating.
Think about what you just said.
If you are watching me, how do you know your beacon wasn't going bad?
Do you even know that there are two distance markers from a plane where you will see a slight to bad warp practically every time? (One of them is around d4, the other is further out)
Did you know this is part of the game that hasn't been worked out yet?
I believe I remember pyro talking about it in a thread.
Other than the key command "cheat" that amazinhunks used in WB's occasionally (would just freeze your position for up to minute), I know of no other "cheats". And when this is done all you had to do was grab alt over their last seen position and wait for them. Wasn't really an advantage at all.
"Cheating" aint quite as simple as some of you guys think.
[This message has been edited by hblair (edited 02-08-2000).]
[This message has been edited by hblair (edited 02-08-2000).]
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I have thought about it hblair. I dont think that you have seen someone do this yet, it is unmistakable. I have seen the normal warping as targets approach, lots of micro warps etc...But there is a way to defensivly warp in this game...I thought everyone knew that....I dont know how to do it but it is some form or style of stick stirring no doubt..
Most people are here to have fun, so it is very rare. I have seen it maybe 2 times in the last month. One of the times I had caught a B26 over 23 with a F4U1c.. Every time I got the guy in the sights....zoom. Looked just like stick stiring to watch, but less plane wobble. Of course probeabley very hard to do and defensive fire the guns...Didnt help this guy. But by the 3rd time I had solution on him and he did it it was obvios that he was doing it on purpose.
After I killed him I congratulated him on his excellent warping techniqe he addmitted over open chanel that it was intentional.
That was it...My statement his addmission and then he went on to accuse HT of warping...
I aggree with you about long drawn out snivles on the open channel. I did it ounce and wrecked the night for me and probabley others so I really avoid it now. But one little note to someone about warp will either help them to fix it or let them know that they are not kidding anybody.
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
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Ya know, I don't think I've hardly ever heard someone squeak about warps on someone they just shot down. Its always the guy floating down in his parachute squeaking.
Of course its also always the dead guy squeaking about the "uber" plane that got him...about the alt monkey...about the vulcher...about the gang-bang...see a pattern?
I think dead guys should lose open channel privs for 2 minutes after a shoot down. This code feature could save us all a lot of annoyance. The only thing should should be broadcasting after a shootdown is "salute" or nothing at all. Spare us all the excuses.
$0.02,
Wab
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and .02 = .04
Hear it all the time ususally it is in the form of "By the way you were warping a bit.."
Follwed by OK ill check or nope none of my wingman see me warping...must be you..
I think that a command to tune out open channel is what you are looking for. If little complaints about warp and chute shooting bug you that much. By the time a guy has blabbed for 3 lines I have squelched him so its not a big deal for me.
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
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I use the squelch command alot! ALOT! I dont thing the open channel (1) is an AOL chat room, but some guys seem to think so.
Some guys have such huge egos, they have to make excuses or throw out insults when they get killed. I dont care to hear it. Nor do I care to hear anyones gloating when they win a fight. I guess if they won a fight very often, they would be used to it and not need to gloat.
If I could squelch ch 1, I would be a happy camper.
Dago
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Unfortunately Channel one has turned into somewhat of a joke. The Swearing has gotten so far outa hand it just not funny. Ive got screen shots of an open text buffer full from top to bottom with F***** this F**** you M******* F*******, Its the most rediculous thing ive seen in all my time flying online. And ive been flyin online since 1989.
Now i aint no prude,we all get frustrated and the odd time you will see S*** in the buffer. Thats not a problem. But what has been going on is Way outa hand.
Ive got kids that fly my accounts,had to stop them from flying my AH,now there restricted to WBs..
Very sad state here right now ..
Unfortunately theres an Idiot born every day.
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Wardog = 357th Pony Express =
== Death From Behind ==
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Bah, Fatty don't have no class. If he did, I'd have to kick him out of FDB!
As Popeye mentioned, I'd love to see a squelch channel command. Beyond whining, sometimes the banal conversation on radio 1 gets thick and keeps you from seeing important info.
Gordo
[This message has been edited by Lance (edited 02-08-2000).]
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I for one enjoy the squeaking and whineing. It is a vary human responce to the frustrations of the game. The first time I flew an online sim, I saw a player acuse another of cheating. I knew at that point that I really was playing against other people. And not some elaberate AI.
A squelch command has been thoughtfully added, for you macho, John Wayne types. So why whine about it here.
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In Bill Gates' book (Business @ The Speed of Thought), he lays out 11 rules that students do not learn in high school or college, but should. He argues that our feel-good, politically-correct teachings have created a generation of kids with no concept of reality who are set up for failure in the real world. I thought that you might be interested in his list:
RULE 1 - Life is not fair; get used to it.
RULE 2 - The world won't care about your self-esteem. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.
RULE 3 - You will NOT make 40 thousand dollars a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice president with a car phone, until you earn
both.
RULE 4 - If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss.He doesn't have tenure.
RULE 5 - Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your grandparents had a different word for burger flipping; they called it opportunity.
RULE 6 - If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so don't whine about your mistakes, learn from them.
RULE 7 - Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about how cool you are. So before you save the rain forest from the parasites of your parents' generation, try "delousing" the closet in your own room.
RULE 8 - Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life has not. In some schools they have abolished failing grades; they'll give you as many times as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.
RULE 9 - Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and every few employers are interested in helping you find yourself. Do that
on your own time.
RULE 10 - Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.
RULE 11 - Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one.
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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
++JG2++ ~Richthofen~
(Formerly VF-101 Grim Reapers~Defected~)
"There is no reason anyone would
want a computer in their home."
Ken Olson, president, chairman and
founder of Digital Equipment Corp.,1977
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...But there is a way to defensivly warp in this game...I thought everyone knew that....I dont know how to do it but it is some form or style of stick stirring no doubt..
This says it all! Maybe you should inform HiTech and Pyro of this well known secret (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Thats what I get for arguing with a newbie.
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I understand your confsion.
You are actually whining not arguing, and I am discussing not arguing, This can lead to confusion for people who are over aggressive..
Pyro and Hitech and most of you non newbies must allready know about defensive warping. The stick stirring code was implemented to curtail it. It has.
But feel free to forward this new (to you )revelation if you like.
Sorry I wasted your time with my opinion about the posted topic.
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
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Pongo, There is a big difference between "stick stirring" and purposeful warping".
I didn't mean to sound like a fuddy duddy.
But to listen to some peoples view of things you would think half the players had some kind of Application "cheat" software running in the background, modifying packets, causing their planes to move any direction at any time and speed that the "cheater" tells it.
I'm sorry, this simply aint the case.
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I knew we agreed, it just took some time to get there..
I squelch after the word "uber"
I squelch after the second or third "we will lose so and so field if you dont do as I say"
The guy that was on his fm hack rant a few weeks ago was on squelch for days with me..
But...
I dont see the difference between stick stirring and purposeful warping..One is done to induce the other. Like I said not prevelent. The knights I usually fight dont do it anyway. I will mention it if I see it. flame me then....
(http://route89.com/~wacko99/smile/angryfire.gif)
We are deffinatly a bunch of primadonas..I think its historical. Lots of WW2 aces are flaming each other right into the grave and beyond..
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
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How can stick stirring cause a warp?
I've never heard of this, and really don't think it is possible to be honest with you.
Lost/damaged Packets cause warping. In other words the information coming to and from your PC and the server gets interrupted or lost. Then your plane appears to jump from here (the last known place the server knew you were) to there (your present location).
Stick stirring in all my experience is just that, stick stirring. This is due to a general lack, on behalf of the pilot of what the hell to do to lose the bandit on his ass. Generally stick stirring just causes a plane to move erratically. Which to me is just fine, because it bleeds energy like crazy.
I'm not talking about you Pongo, but their are too many self appointed web/server/flight simm experts in the arena, who haven't got clue#1 what the hell they are talking about.
I don't claim to be an expert by any means, and am open to correction by anyone who really does know what they are talking about.
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Why can't we all just get along?
'cuz we wouldn't be playing a game that simulates killing people if we did (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I ignore warp comments for the most part unless they come from someone whose opinion I value. The rest of them, dead people can't talk, so shut it.
As far as "stick stirring" I'm no code expert, mind you, but it seems to me that small rapid stick movements to get the FE to lose updates so you "jump" all over the sky, wouldn't work, in actuality, the FE would move past the lost updates and lock you in the last speed/attitude you were in before it happened, in other words, easy meat. correct me if I'm wrong, peacefully, If you think the channels are bad this BB has reached the point where I send my daughter out of the room before I come here.
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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Hey no whining about he whining please!
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I run a firewall at home with packet mapping set to detect hit packets from the AH server.
Sometimes when I get really pissed off I set it to intercept these and replace them with hit packets back to the source IP address of shooter.
If anyone wants mappings let me know.
-vlkn- in
(wonders if the breaking strain on his line is enough).
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Not to fan the flames, but...
Stick-stirring definitely did happen in previous sims. Ever get on the tail of a 190 in one of the other sims? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I've seen P38's do stationary dances in the sky, then reappear 90 degrees one side or the other.
And, if they don't exist, why did HT write code into AH to prevent them? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Lephturn circles the boat and licks his lips at the brightly colored lure being trolled through the water by Vulcan. He tightens the circle and makes a close pass to inspect his prey... and notices the sharp steel barbs protruding from the juicy-looking morsel. Painful experience has taught this predator not to bite to quickly. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Lephturn
The Flying Pigs
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hblair.
Stick stiring induced a warp. How? It was described back at the time, host prediction on overload? cant remember never understood it well at the time. But if you where here in September you got to see stick stirring.
wobble wobble--------------->warp.
I know what it looks like when induced maybe thats why it doesnt suck me in as bad. I know the guy is going to disappear and I go off offensive to see were he will be, they are pretty helpless when they beam in.If you have sacrificed all your E to make that shot cause its a sure thing...then you are in trouble.
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew