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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Seagoon on February 22, 2005, 06:41:33 PM
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Alright, I know I'm going to get Flak for this but so be it...
Yesterday I was playing, and since my headset has been going out of late, I had the my big speakers on - somtimes its nice to have the surround sound stereo effect as well.
Just as my four-year-old and two year old bumbled in to see what daddy was up to (they love airplanes) out came a long stream of some of the most foul language imaginable* from one of our players on range channel. It was so long and loud my wife in the other room heard it and was appalled. I had to sit down with the kids for some time to talk about the fact that some people in the game that daddy plays use corrupt and filthy language, like daddy used to use before his own heart was changed - which led to my four year old asking the salient question: "Why do you play with people who do that?" Which led my wife to ask "Yes daddy, why do you play with people like that?" One long and unpleasant conversation later...
I've got to admit I'm kind of sick of having to listen to it myself and having to keep the speakers off because of the constant use of profanity (which I believe has gotten worse of late - used to be guys might actually pipe and say "language" but these days the stream of abuse they get in return usually shuts them down).
Can I ask therefore - can we get a command to disable range vox and leave the squad channel open? Or can we get a PG rated Main Arena? Is there any hope for those of us who are bummed out by vox pottymouth populi? Its not like we can "change the range channel" to another more family friendly one.
* the stream included "m*th*r-f*ck*rs" which my four year old girl repeated exactly, and without the asterisks, thanks.
Tired of gangstahigh, I remain...
Your Servant,
SEAGOON
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agree in principle... make allllll radio channels squelchable.... doesn't seem like it'd be hard to implement. not as a default setting, but as an option.
this includes abiltity to squelch *any* and all pvt comms, vox or text, a global setting, not a case by case post defacto.
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Had the same thing happen Seagoon. Almost to the letter. The difference was it was my Nephew...WHO happens to be my Brother the MINSITERS son. Real nice to try to explain that one.
My brother thank goodness understands the nature of things but , would rather my lil nephew not be around that while visiting his uncle. I totally understand it. I got the headphones on 90 percent of the time now.
But , I have this nice surround sound system that is pretty much usless in the game becuase of Idiots like that.
My mother also lives with my wife and I and although she knows all those words , it again because of my up bringing forces me to use headphones.
Sad really....but I don't expect a change at all. And that is a shame really.
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Squelch for range would be sooooo welcome..
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Lemme guess. Someone didnt get a check 6 call right?
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Agree 100%, I have to use headphones while playing this game so that, my children and their friends don't hear such garbage.
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Speak up and tell em there are children able to hear you on the speakers, and you'd appreciate it if they tone it down a bit.
Les
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Ya....It would be nice to be able to squelch range channel. I am pretty bad on the language thing...but don't use profanity on range channel (try to watch it on squad also). It really doesn't bother me to hear it but some folks find that sort of thing quite offensive. It would be easier I would think to set up range vox as squelchable than trying to police it for profanity.
I think some people forget that others are offended by profanity or that youngsters may be online. Of course there is the group that really doesn't care also, so I'm in for being able to squelch the whole channel.
Zaphod
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Yup squelchable range channel is very high up on my list of wants in this game.
asw
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I really wish people would control their mouths better, but sadly that seems to much for some.
If range could be squelched, HiTech might as well just remove it from the game. It'd be useless with an unknown number of people unable to hear it.
Maybe that is the only real solution, because gods know the current method is unacceptable.
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maybe volume sliders for range and private comms?
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Possibly a range channel toggle button?
Btw, if it was me that cursed (Punishr) please call me out on it. I do have the mouth of a sailor, but I hold it most of the time when I'm playing. Occasionally, I'll say something then immediately correct myself. If I miss it completely, please say something.
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Originally posted by Leslie
Speak up and tell em there are children able to hear you on the speakers, and you'd appreciate it if they tone it down a bit.
The usual response is "@#$^%$ I'll say whatever the #$@^#$ I want because it's a free !@#$% country and you're impinging on my #$%#$@ right to !@#$% use whatever @$% language I like!" or something along those lines.
The problem is that most people have absolutely no concept of common courtesy anymore.
The only in-game fix for that is:
.squelch rangevox
Please HTC...
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Originally posted by Leslie
Speak up and tell em there are children able to hear you on the speakers, and you'd appreciate it if they tone it down a bit.
Les
Been there...Done that..got an ear full. So many could give 2 cents for what you think. They don't care that kids are online. They don't care that kids maybe watching. They REALLY don't care if your an adult and just had rather not have to listen to it. I cant TELL you how many times I have logged on..went to a base...1st person I saw was a certain one that is INFAMOUS in the Knight Land for his mouth..and it was automatic squelch.
I'm even for .PermaSquelch CussingMoron
It's not like I care if he gives me a check 6 or not...Or even acknowledges my being there. Just a person I never have to listen to.:aok
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Im not exactly sure but
Didnt HT say once before this wasnt going to happen?
Forget what the reason was but Im pretty sure he did.
The cussing doesnt really bother me.
The only thing that "bothers" me if you really wanna call it that is so many vox hogs using 20 words to say something that could just as easily be said in 4 And usually about something unimportant
And not shutting uplong enough for anyone to get a word in edgwise with something that might be.
the only Other thing is I think Squad Vox should override range Vox and not vise versa
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Well, I'm heartened to see that I'm not the only one who is frustrated with the current situation. Unfortunately, I've had the experience RedTop describes happen too often myself. There really does seem to be a small group who believe that their $14.95 a month or free 2 week trial grants them a inalienable right to blast everyone else with what they read on the bathroom wall and they will fight anyone and everyone who asks them to lay off, however politely.
Setting aside the fact that not even the adults on-line are particularly pleased or impressed by it, and that it adds nothing to the game, has anyone considered all those squeeky little pre-pubescent voices on vox? Guys, there are kids playing who by the grace of God haven't yet had to wade knee deep through human depravity as many of us have (and wish we hadn't). They are wearing headphones too, lets let 'em have a couple more years of their childhood eh? I wouldn't want anyone to have to hear what my childhood sounded like...
HT, can we get some relief?
- SEAGOON
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While profanity doesn't phase me, I do agree that you should be able to squelch anything you want. I would also like the game to remember who you squelch so you don't have to do it everytime you log on.
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Originally posted by Blue Mako
The problem is that most people have absolutely no concept of common courtesy anymore.
Yup. Plus, I think it makes them feel grown up or something. It's pretty ridiculous. There's no way I would go to the MA and put the speakers on in my house.
- oldman
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I think rangechannel-vox is an integral part of gameplay by now, making it squelchable is not a solution anymore. The game thrives on the ability to call out to somene in your vicinity, if you always have to wonder if that guy might have heard you or not, then a lot of interaction with your countrymen goes down the drain.
I resent the guys who hog that channel, too, but they will usually shut up if being told that "nobody cares" how many trees they see, or if they think the sky is so pretty. They crave for attention and like to hear themselves talk, and usually care a whole lot about what others think about them.
The pottymouths are a different breed. My solution: make the filmrecorder also record vox-transmissions. If someone sounds like a 50cent-rapsong, just record it and send the film to HTC...
Litjan
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Can appreciate your frustration, Seagoon, Redtop and others. This is a recurring topic and I recall hitech saying that he would not institute a squelch function for range channel. Also, no permanent .vsquelch list would be available either.
The argument that a player must individually and repetitively use '.vsquelch playername' is cumbersome to the normal human beings with children and/or grandmothers around the house. Usually, it's too late though.
There are plenty of reasons to justify a permanent squelch list or ability to squelch range channel. I can't think of any good reasons to justify foul mouth, obnoxious behavior.
This topic may be in vain, but it took many, many topics about nightime before HTC changed their viewpoint. You certainly don't see topic after topic now asking for nightime to come back.
I say give decent people a break and implement a solution, and remove it if causes a problem. From a business perspective, people leave the game because of the profanity or obnoxious behavior. No one leaves because they can't be oboxious or foul mouthed.
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Originally posted by Rolex
This topic may be in vain, but it took many, many topics about nightime before HTC changed their viewpoint. You certainly don't see topic after topic now asking for nightime to come back.
Actually yea we do.
With about the same frequency as we do with this topic.
But I can see the point about Vox though I dont think its a good idea even though there are times when I would like to be able to squelch it as well.
But for different reasons.
Best thing to do I think is just get on the person ranting.
By and large I dont hear people rant alot. usually its only the occasional cuss word and not a whole lot worse then I hear on regular TV channels.
but occasionally Someone comes out ranting and raving with strings of obscenities that make even me roll my eyes.
the most common reason for the rants.
Someone didnt get a 6 call
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Janov. It'd be your choice whether or not you want to turn it off.
If you turn it off however, know that you won't get hearing any vocal check sixes or anything.
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When someone else has the ability to take a dump on my living room carpet at will and my only option is to deal with the mess eventually I'm going to move.
Range channel at most times I play the game isn't actually that bad, however when it is bad it is very bad. I'm not talking just about foul language, I'm also talking about going into a large fight where range vox is constantly, without break, in use. I don't play AH to listen to other shoot the breeze, insult each other, talk politics/religion, etc. I have no problem with people doing that but I do have a problem with is being in a situation where my only choice is to put up with it or leave the area/game. I do know that there are "private" channels that people can use for this kind of banter barrage but the fact is that private channels are not used for it by enough players and that impacts my enjoyment of the game.
Giving me the option of turning off range channel, or even turning down the volume of it pretty much makes this problem go away.
asw
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Walmart has nice headphones for less than $20.
Not only does your family not want to hear cussing, they don't want to hear the other sounds.
Gooss
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I may be wrong , but when people use range or any channel on the radio their name appears in the upper right of the screen. You then have enough information to squelch the ofending player, right?
It's not the range vox that's the problem, it's the person that has the foul mouth, right? use squelch to shut them up.
that's what I do.
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Originally posted by Traveler
I may be wrong , but when people use range or any channel on the radio their name appears in the upper right of the screen. You then have enough information to squelch the ofending player, right?
It's not the range vox that's the problem, it's the person that has the foul mouth, right? use squelch to shut them up.
that's what I do.
Only by then, it is too late. Your 3 yearold just learned a new word.
I really don't understand what your point is here. You don't want someone to have the ability to not be tuned to range? How does that effect your life? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Traveler
I may be wrong , but when people use range or any channel on the radio their name appears in the upper right of the screen. You then have enough information to squelch the ofending player, right?
I play AH to play AH. I don't see it as an opportunity to polish up my typing skills.
What I'd like to know is how, if given a choice to do so, my squelching range vox interferes with anyone else's game play?
It's not all about shutting down some foul-mouthed git, sometimes its about just cutting down on the background noise and enjoying the fights for the fights. If someone needs to talk to me that badly they can tune me on private or figure out what channel I'm on.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Only by then, it is too late. Your 3 yearold just learned a new word.
I really don't understand what your point is here. You don't want someone to have the ability to not be tuned to range? How does that effect your life? :rolleyes:
dedalos,
The fact that people didn't have to wait for Aces High to make the range channel squelchable. That there was a means right now to eleminate the offending foul mouth.
That was my point and you didn't get it. As a point of clairification I in no way stated or indicated from my statement that I was "against anyone haveing the ability to not be tuned to range", I don't see how you inferred that from what I actually did say.
I spent 4 years in the service of my country, 18 months as a combat medic in VietNam with the 5th Special Forces, I imagine I have heard every curse word known to man many times over, I didn’t much care for it then, I don't care to listen to it now. I was just trying to offer an immediate solution to what can be a very distressing problem, especially when one has young children at home.
I found the use of stero head phones very useful, along with a gentel reminder to the offenders that I don't care to listen to it.
detch01,
you are 100% right, you don't need vox to enjoy the good fight, but my understanding of this thread was that it was about the potty mouth and what might be done about not noise polution.
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Traveler,
First let me sincerely thank you and your family for your service.
I pastor a church in Fayetteville ( http://www.providencepca.com ), and many of our congregation are members of the SF community, particularly 7th and 19th group or are going through the Q course (most of whom hope to be 18 Deltas as well). Many of them feel the same way you did about the language problem, but soldier on anyway. Generally speaking though, even the worst offenders in the field have enough sense of honor and propriety not to use that kind of language around children.
Anyway, I won't go over the reasons yet again, but obviously headphones (while they help) aren't going to solve the problem. What I'd really like to know at this point is if HT is actually concerned and views it as a problem himself?
PS: My kids do love the zooming, shooting, engine, and explosion noises. Often my daughter or older son will climb up on my lap and we'll go flying *OFFLINE* My daughters favorite plane is the Nikki because she can shoot down the most pesky P-51s with it. She wants a pink cammo job for it though.
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yeah its one thing to make your squaddies listen to your swearing but another to do it over range. I feel sorry for those with kids that have that happen. Seems like a range squelch would be best and maybe have a disclaimer next to their ID that says range vox off or something so you can still type to them if you need to pass a message on the situation.
also agreed that 90% of profanity on range comes from lack of check 6, which really makes me laugh because its the same as blaming someone else for your lack of SA.
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Traveler,
Appologies if I misunderstood your post.
However, you can see how I took it the wrong way.
Abillity to squelch range = permanent fix to the issue
Squelch offender = wait for offence to happen, then squelch offender, go back to waiting for next offence.
I guess I could not understand why you even offered the alternative or why we are still talking about this. It has been requested in the past and it has got to be the easyest code change ever requested from HT. I can understand that it is low pririty and at the bottom of the list, but arguing about if it would be a good future?
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Originally posted by Gooss
Walmart has nice headphones for less than $20.
Not only does your family not want to hear cussing, they don't want to hear the other sounds.
Gooss
Lmao I would have to agree with that.
Nobody was more happy then my wife when I finally got a set of headphones.
Cept maybe my mother who happened to be up visiting with us at the time.
Wasnt the cussing they hated. It was the noise.
My mother hated the tank gun the most
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Given that you can't swear on over text comms I can only assume HTC does not approve of such language. As such, I would simply suggest that if you hear someone being offensive ask them to stop. If they do not, use the film recorder to sample some of their language and send it in to HTC. Whom could hopefully issue a warning email and possibly revoke VOX privileges.
After a while I think it would be much more civilized.
P.S. Free speech does not apply to a private service such as this.
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Traveler,
PS: My kids do love the zooming, shooting, engine, and explosion noises.
Here ya go then
Solution (http://www.earthstation1.com/WWII_Sound_Effects.html)
Problem solved.
Next subject
;)
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Interesting Replies.........
I have to agree with a few here. If everytinme I log on I need to look at the roster....Find those that I KNOW will be a "Peach" on range....do the squelch command and then fly , then thats just a bit more that needs to be done IMO:)
On the other hand...If they had a permasquelch deal....then...I can just fly and add as I need to...but not have to CHECK things everytime.
Maybe I'm being a lil rigid , but , I could care less about hearing how some ()#*$&@#()$&*@)#&^@#)*(^#@%)^#%)@#*(^)@#*(^$)@#%^@#()*^% ran so in so down in there LA7 and how he thinks its such *()&*$)#&($)@#*^$)@#*^$)#*^$)#^*$)#*^$)#*$^ that it can happen here when in REAL life that NEVER HAPPENED.
I don't care half the time about Ck 6's from others. AND , why cant you still have that...dont we have a HOT key for that?
Guess it's just me and my age. Becoming more and more tired of hearing it.
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How dare you people try to infringe on my right to free speech over vox. HOW DARE YOU?! I don't pay $15 a month and taxes for this sort of First Amendment abuse.
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Originally posted by Engine
How dare you people try to infringe on my right to free speech over vox. HOW DARE YOU?! I don't pay $15 a month and taxes for this sort of First Amendment abuse.
:lol Comon now. You got to put some cheese or something out there. You cant expect a bite by just throwing the hook in the water.
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i will say i agree with the topic, but find is a quagmire of complications.
some people expect the communication of working together in a furball, not a whole "squad" thing, just in that sortie, help their neighbors.
you are correct back when vox first came out natively in AH, the crowd was alot better. they'd tell someone to shutup and quit cussing, or something and the offender would do it.
i will also say i have committed this sin myself. 90% of the time on squad channel (which a few squaddies have their kids watching) and i always feel bad, but i thak the game so ****** personally, and get all emotional about it i dont know what to do sometimes LOL.
what is it about kids loving to watch this game? family and friends too? my CO's girlfriend likes to sit wand read a book / watch / listen during squad night. she say's it's like watching a movie. i have a buddy who stops by to get away from his kids every now and then, he likes to watch too.
the problem with that is the sound. everyone i know who likes to watch wants to hear also. a headphone splitter and extra headphones might work, but who wants to make a bunch of people put on headphones (and buy a bunch too)? i have had as many as 6 people watching one time, showing them the game, and what it is like online.
i my be a bit more lax about the cussing, as yes i have heard it, but never more than a few seconds, then i fly out of the area. that or the offender was shot down.
i intentionally fly out of range vox of the "dlamba" types most of the time anyway, i can't stand to hear that screetching.
anyway, being mroe "lax"... growing up in the 70's before HBO, pay TV, and multimedia i still knew most of the "bad words" by 1st and 2nd grade (6-7 years old). i also knew i'd get my butt WHIPPED for using any of them, even around friends that might say "mommy davey said *****" or something.
my best frined in the world has 4 children. 10, 6, 4, and 2. the 10 and 6 are boys, the other 2 girls. the 10 year old has said sh** in front of him, and got a talking to i guess, but the mother did pretty much nothing. dad was almost laughing when the 6 year old said sh** one day (he thought the way the kid said it it was hilarious) that made the kid giggly, and hence all of a sudden cussing is not a punishable offense in the real sence.
it is unfortunate, they are not as strict religiously or morally as our parents were. i have a feeling many families are like that now sadly, and of course along with the liberal parenting comes the liberal blame game: "my kid cusses because TV is corrupt and needs to be censored" instead of teaching kids properly in the first place.
i in NO way say any here are like that, and i want to make clear i am NOT making any judgments on anyone in this thread. Redtop we have met and you know or i hope you can trust me on that.
Seagoon, i can understand your situation, and sympathize with it. the choice you have to make is a frustrating one, and is not easy.
the real problem in this situation is where do we go from here? HTC can give in and make range squelchable (or tunable like CH200), then have alot of people mad they couldn't communicate with the pilots in their area.
he could leave it the way it is, and keep some people mad in a sence.
either way there are unhappy customers, the question is which one aggravates more than the other? HTC is a business, in the business of making a profit. they are great nice people, but those are the facts jack. noone want's to hear they are the customer in the minority that is getting ignnored, or however you explain it. the bummer is no matter what they finally decide, there will be a customer base that is the "ignored" part.
it is the same way with all the plane requests, gameplay requests, and everything. i highly doubt HTC staff make a snap decision about this stuff. from what i have seen of HT and Pyro, they probably have 20 spreadsheets of data charting the trends and probabilities in different scenarios. if the "numbers" say leave vox, they probably will i am guessing. that does not make them the bad guy in no way in my mind. they made a business decision. the business is not about constitutional rights, free speech, or any of that garbage. they make the rules, we obey, or go somewhere else where the rules fit us i guess.
personally i have given up trying to "demand" they do anything to change the game. it doesn't matter what a lone person thinks. i may come up with an idea, and can suggest it. maybe other players will like it, maybe HTC will like it. maybe they will all hate it. i will not be mad or sad or pissed off if they do. why be?
in closing, all, this has been a free flowing tirade of text, with no real reason. if i worded something in a bad way i am sorry, i am not great with language all the time. nothing in this is meant to offend, attack, direct agnst towards a player / group of players.
i agree that cussing on range vox is a bad thing, i agree that something should possibly be done about it, but i can not think of a solution that does not make a part of the AH community upset in some way. i think AH is a great game, and there are tons of changes out there that may or may not work. i think socitey is more corrupt than a polititian in strip strip club. i think there are no real answers, only comprimises that lead to the least aggravating course.
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Originally posted by dedalos
:lol Comon now. You got to put some cheese or something out there. You cant expect a bite by just throwing the hook in the water.
It was part troll, part biting sociological satire. A muckraking expose, if you will, of the glaring injustices... oh screw it, you win. :)
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You can take your cencorship and **** off ******** you ******* ***** I ******* pay my own *** ****** ****, **** is my **** ******* problem ******* **** ****** ***** horse **** nancy drew ******* mystery **** ***** ****** *** ***** ***** ********* **** ******* quala bear ***** **** runstang dweeb ********* ***** ****** ***** * ****** *************** ******. That's what I think of your ***** ****** ******* *** ***** cencorship.
-pellik
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Why not a permanant squelch list thats kills all coms from the blacklisted player? Why do I have to squelch the same people over and over again?
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Permanent squelch list would be awesome. But then I would have to remember every time I squelch Fubar...
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EDIT: That was odd. I only clicked post once...
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
Why not a permanant squelch list thats kills all coms from the blacklisted player? Why do I have to squelch the same people over and over again?
I agree - this seems to be the most "do-able" of the options listed.
For the life of me I don't see why HTC won't enable a ".squelch rangevox" function. It seems like it should be MY choice if I want to hear people give me check six or not (not to mention all the other babbling that we are forced to listen to). If I don't, I'm the one who gets shot down - not them. Also, we already have that keyboard command that allows you to send a check six to others.....
Is this some kind of 1st amendment thing? Doesn't it violate MY right to free speech to have to listen to speech laced with profanity? Don't tell me to take my $14.95 somewhere else - the fact that HTC doen't allow profanity in the text box tells you that they seem to be against it. Why only in written form and not in vocal? Oh well, I gotta get off here and go and the %&@*$ dishes.:D
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Originally posted by pellik
You can take your cencorship and **** off ******** you ******* ***** I ******* pay my own *** ****** ****, **** is my **** ******* problem ******* **** ****** ***** horse **** nancy drew ******* mystery **** ***** ****** *** ***** ***** ********* **** ******* quala bear ***** **** runstang dweeb ********* ***** ****** ***** * ****** *************** ******. That's what I think of your ***** ****** ******* *** ***** cencorship.
-pellik
hehe
:lol
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I have 4 children ages 6-5-4 and 2 and several times when I have the big speakers on someone says the magic F-word or at the least a nice loud GD-it.
I really don't care. I worked as a pipe fitter for 3 years and if you don't hear those things on the construction site you have to be deaf. But I don't think my kids need to repeat those particular words yet.
If I am on squad channel and someone says one of those not so nice words all I have to say is I have kids in the room and for the rest of the night squad chanle will be free of profanity. As for range I really don't want to squelch range but I would like to be able to squelch those few that don't give a damn permanantly.
Like the saying go's If you can't say something nice I won't let you talk... Well I guess thats non exactally how it go's but that is what I would like.
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The keys to dealing with this issue are deeper than squelch lists. This is a problem that will never be comeplete solved. We are always going to be dealing with it.
But this is where we start.
A Realising that there is a problem and no one person, group, or entitiy can fix it.
HT can't fix it, Knights can't fix it, Middleaged guys who play AH can't fix it. However, working together we do have a chance.
B Raising awareness as a community.
This is a problem, its not just my problem or your problem, its everyones problem.
C Putting pressure on those who do it.
and keeping it on till the behaivior stops. The key here is to keep the pressure on until they change their ways.
D Supporting someone else who has a problem. You support them when they need help and maybe they'll support you when you need it.
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Agreed Ghosth
squelch list are just a band aid, in having a squelch list, one will still be having to add the next new player that comes in and starts up the obscene language or behavior. bandaiding the player is not fixing the problem, it is still allowing such an individual to participate in his undesired actions.
Some are willing to step up and call a player on his vox use or typing skills from time to time, even seen where when 1 player calls out such an individual on such a case that others back that player up in supporting his decision to call down on an obusive player.
The community should and must police itself, the only other alternative would be a more moderated arena.
and we have seen in past instances that certian moderators use their powers in an abusive or favortism way in which it just causes more problems in the end.
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Hmmm......
Not sure is the vox recorded with the vid?
Can you record it and send a copy to HTC?
Ya I know why record every flight?
How bout you hear it? Set record on and ask the offending party to cool the verbage, and record what follows?
Free speech is just like any other freedom. It stops when you over step certain boundries.
"Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it" ~~ George Bernard Shaw
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Yes Wrag vox is recorded with video.
Yes filming it does help. If for no other reason that to show a continueing pattern of behaivior.
But HTC has limits as well. If they banned everyone who ever lost it & got filmed they would be short customers after a while.
Anyone can make a mistake, or have a bad night. But in the long term only the community can decide what it will and what it won't tolerate.
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This sim is kind of like watching TV. You know the show has some
"mature content" (potty mouth) and yet you want to watch it (fly).
Now what do you do? Do you make sure the young ones aren't in
the same room? Do you turn down the volume of your system or
put your head set on? Maybe close and lock the door to your
computer room. Explain that there are people that want to exercise
their right to "free speech", which is what cussing is.
I can cuss with the best of them, but I don't on-line. I also understand
a slip of the tongue once in a while. I also know how to use the
squelch command.
JB73 pretty much hit the nail on the head.
I didn't serve 20 years in the USAF for "free speech" to be stomped on.
SCDR
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Thinking about it, yah! squelch range!!! Well turn on the ol' TV and anymore you and anyone else, will probley hear the same talk. I'm floored sometimes watching TV the crap that comes outa mouths and other viewing situations :p Hey I'm a everyday cusser, if there were not cuss words, I'd have little to say most of the time.
But, I do control it online, just kinda a respect thing. I talk to you face to face IRL , oh i'm probley cussing every third word, depending on topic . But ya might as well introduce your kids here and there with a few cuss words, kinda harden them to it.
otherwise wait til they get into kinder or 1st grade and the other kids will do it for ya. I cussed in front of my kids, but they knew better outa respect not to. But most kids today have no respect wow! have they got foul mouths at Young ages and then you watch there parents laugh as johnny 6 or 7 years old tells the friends visting to F off and eat s. teehee isnt john john cute mommy says .I guess you could smack the parents but, cant smack the lit'l brats up side there heads anymore , It should be a law, kids outa line reach over, (smack'm law) the worlds gone mad, mad I tell you!! lmao!!
:) Its not the words said or used is what bothers people, its the succession, the number of cuss words used in a row, with little or no reasoning. Heres what Most people say to these cuss spurts ," hey whats wrong"? lol! You Cussers need to learn to explain why your going to spurt, then maybe we deal with it better. :p
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Originally posted by Janov
My solution: make the filmrecorder also record vox-transmissions. If someone sounds like a 50cent-rapsong, just record it and send the film to HTC...
Our films do record vox transmissions as long as you leave them in .ahf format.
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The real problem is the anonymity inherent in an online game. Smart-mouthed punks don't have to look those they offend in the eye. This makes them bold enough to say things they could not otherwise get away with.
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Actually I've found most cut the garbage talk if you ask em to. Doesn't prevent out burst though. Yes some do get upset and say a word or two. So I agree with that. Even said a few myself. Probably on squad channel. Heard a squadie or 2 use em too. Again on SQUAD CHANNEL. I wear headphones whenever my son's girlfriends 9 year old is around because of it. It frees up the language and avoids young ears hearing it. My squadies are pretty cool about it. I got no problem with it. Hey it's squad channel.
Local is another matter IMHO.
On local some get very very carried away. And when you ask them to cool it they get even more abusive. NOTE I said ASK them to. I did not say threaten, I did not say order, I said ASK. Such as "Yo bro EZ on the language please." "Some of us got little kids around." Used that on someone that sounded about 12 years old and was GD'n every other word for abit. It worked.
IMHO If they knew they could be recorded and that recording might get em banned they might be more willing to resist their urge to vent using..... errr lol potty talk
Sadly there are some individuals that just don't care. With such it SEEMS the only effective method is the threat of some sort of punishment. Those are the ones I'm refering to when the talk starts. Recording on and off if they stop leave it on if they get even more abusive. Do nothing with it maybe the 1st time but if they repeat one or two more times??????
What ya gonna do? Ya can't meet em face to face. Which frequently calms people down immediately, because most have been taught manners, with no threat needed or intended. Some just don't seem to bring em to the MA. Ya can't do anything really except go to HTC for redress. That or put up with their crap. Hey we all pay to play. We all should have similar rights. While some think their right to free speach gives carte blanche other disagree.
That's just my opinion. And Yes Ghosth I hear ya
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:lol That's my point Tactic, if people don't like what's on TV they need
to change the channel. Given there are a few "potty mouths" out
there, you'ld think these "intelligent" people would "change the
channel" ( put headset on, close door, turn volume down ), but
no.
oh well, life goes on.
SCDR
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Swearing is un-mature in alot of cases but remember one thing. Just because your kids hear it in life doe not mean they will swear. I've been around it all my life and quite frankly, from hearing it all the time, i simply chose to "Not speak like the others" because it sounds dumb. Just because everyone may swear at a time or another does not mean you have to hide it from your family. Your kind of hiding yourself and your family from the outside world. Don't get me wrong, I believe you that it can be annoying and in-proper, but the whole world is involved with swearing whether you like it or not. Just something in life that will never stop. Just my 2 cents.
also headphones are'nt expensive, the sound's closer to you to hear/making it bit more real, and nobody else will hear it like yourself.
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Agreed Ghosth
squelch list are just a band aid, in having a squelch list, one will still be having to add the next new player that comes in and starts up the obscene language or behavior. bandaiding the player is not fixing the problem, it is still allowing such an individual to participate in his undesired actions.
Some are willing to step up and call a player on his vox use or typing skills from time to time, even seen where when 1 player calls out such an individual on such a case that others back that player up in supporting his decision to call down on an obusive player.
The community should and must police itself, the only other alternative would be a more moderated arena.
and we have seen in past instances that certian moderators use their powers in an abusive or favortism way in which it just causes more problems in the end.
Well I have not read all this thread, but most of it. Seagoon I can relate all to well. I have 4 of my own and now my son who is 9, “sondog” is flying and enjoying the game. I think most of the time the community should police itself. When I hear some swearing I always let it slide. If it continues I ask them politely to stop. Once when I did the fellow when wild and was cussing even more. I told him my son was on and I did not want him to hear it. He just got worse. I logged extremely frustrated and shot off an e-mail to HTC and who it was. It was dealt with and I know if it happened again he would be gone. Sometimes that is what has to happen to clean out the real bad apples.
I personally would love to see a permanent squelch channel, but don’t know if it will ever happen.
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I'm online quite a bit & I've never heard it as bad as described (not that it doesn't happen) it doesn't happen often. May I suggest to politely remind "Kinder" to the channel/person-most people are cool and will chill out.
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So JB73, if my neighbor expresses himself by pouring nails and broken glass into the street, I need to start looking into buying solid rubber tires rather than daring to get him to stop. Better yet, I should stop using the street entirely if I don't like it. Regardless, his freedom of anti-social expression is absolutely inviolable regardless of the fact we both pay to use and maintain the same thoroughfare. I just better hope he doesn't take up nude sunbathing in the front yard, or my children will never be allowed outside again.
JB swearing in this venue is no more protected free speech than whacking someone in the head is "the pursuit of happiness." Additionally, swearing on AH comms is technically against the use agreement you entered into when you signed up to play. Therefore the game operators, HI-Tech have already determined they aren't going to allow it online, the question is how will they enforce their decision?
- SEAGOON
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Those for moderation of speech: Over 25
Those against: Under 25
Given that this is one of the most bloodless combat games available, it is suitable for younger people. Heck it's even educational! If squelching was possible on all vox channels it could be argued this was a wholesome and fun environment for almost all ages, like 10 and up?
The 15 year olds screeching obscenties kinda throws that out the window.
g00b
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Originally posted by SCDR
:lol That's my point Tactic, if people don't like what's on TV they need
to change the channel. Given there are a few "potty mouths" out
there, you'ld think these "intelligent" people would "change the
channel" ( put headset on, close door, turn volume down ), but
no.
oh well, life goes on.
SCDR
Your analogy was a nice try but:
The whole point is that we can't "change the channel", range vox is always enabled. Saying that putting on headphones etc is not the same as being able to choose whether to listen to the rubbish that is spewing from the range vox. I don't have kids in the house yet I still don't want obscenities blaring at me from AH. With my TV I can choose what I see and hear, with range vox in AH I cannot.
What we are asking for from HTC is the ability to choose, not the ability to censor someone. Giving freedom of choice is not removing any freedom from anyone else...
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But we do have the option of turning off an offender.
Squelching him turns it off. Makes it go away.
Granted thats only a short term solution. Which I think is partly why HT has been slow to build a perma squelch list.
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Originally posted by SCDR
This sim is kind of like watching TV. You know the show has some
"mature content" (potty mouth) and yet you want to watch it (fly).
Now what do you do? Do you make sure the young ones aren't in
the same room? Do you turn down the volume of your system or
put your head set on? Maybe close and lock the door to your
computer room. Explain that there are people that want to exercise
their right to "free speech", which is what cussing is.
I can cuss with the best of them, but I don't on-line. I also understand
a slip of the tongue once in a while. I also know how to use the
squelch command.
JB73 pretty much hit the nail on the head.
I didn't serve 20 years in the USAF for "free speech" to be stomped on.
SCDR
You can have your freedom to say what ever you want (even though you don't seem to grasp that this is a privetly owned company and your freedoms are what ever HT says they are). All I ask, is for the right to not listen to what you have to say.
I guess you only served 20 years for your rights, not ours?
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Originally posted by Ghosth
But we do have the option of turning off an offender.
Squelching him turns it off. Makes it go away.
Granted thats only a short term solution. Which I think is partly why HT has been slow to build a perma squelch list.
Ghost unfortunately it's also reactive and only works for a single log on...
So, two options:
Perma squelch list
or
Range vox on/off switch
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Originally posted by Blue Mako
Ghost unfortunately it's also reactive and only works for a single log on...
So, two options:
Perma squelch list
or
Range vox on/off switch
A saved list, i.e. perma squelch, would be nice as I have to type .squelch 6 every time I log on. I don't care who landed how many kills in what.
I only care about the kills I get.
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/.squelch name
It's just that easy.
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ya know.....I've seen others request a "range squelch" option and provide their argument(s) as to why they personaly would like to see it implemented. So far it's been my opinion that noone has really provided a valid reason until now (unless I missed it in the past).
Yeah you can squelch an individual but not until after the offence has been made.
Seagoon, I can't see why anyone at all would be against allowing you to protect/raise your children how you see fit. Sadly for you that may mean daddy can't play with the kids around.
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Originally posted by sepp99
I'm online quite a bit & I've never heard it as bad as described (not that it doesn't happen) it doesn't happen often. May I suggest to politely remind "Kinder" to the channel/person-most people are cool and will chill out.
A perma Squelch is not censorship. Its simply an Ignore from those who don't want to listen to it or have their kids listen to it.
They are not being censored as they can still say what they like to who ever will listen.
Thats really the crux of this argument. I chose NOT to listen to certain things on TV. So I change the channel. I don't wnat to watch certain things so I change the channel. I CAN NOT change the channel now in AH. I can squelch said moron with a command.
I have listened to a certain individual DAILY when flying cuss and rant over his dieing because he didnt get a 6 call. I have heard this person rant over everything. I have listened to quite a few people go off on the VOX and people in my home hear it. I chose for them not to. So I put the headphones on.
This isn't cencership. Its a simple Iggy button. You guys that think this is such a "Bad Thing" IMO don't care who hears what anyway. Others do. This would in no way "Hurt" the game as I see it.
Simply make an option that I can add people to a squelch list. I add me and never have to listen to em again. How hard is that? Or , make a squelch range and problem taken care of another way.
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While this does not really treat the source of the problem.... I use a real nice, not expensive, Plantronics headset with microphone and volume control. Aside from people looking at you weird when you are talking to the computer, they keep all game activity in the game. Fortunately I have been spared a lot of potty mouth while in the game, but it does happen.
If you see the person who continually does this regularly, you can squelch them. Most of the time, you never see it coming. If I could vote, I would vote for a permanent vox squelch list in AH2.
Regards,
Malta
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http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/cat640035
is a plantronics link. The individual in the photo is wearing a pair of plantronics .Audio 90 headphones with microphone. This is the same type I have had for two(?) years and they are still going strong, even after being taken off and thrown on the floor (but not stomped on!) more than once.
Regards,
Malta
p.s. wanted to follow up with a specific rather than nebulous answer. I don't appreciate that type of response, so I try not to give them.
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Simply film it and send it in. I assure you the problem will be takin care of in a timely manner.
O, Make sure you turn the film on BEFORE you ask them to ease up. :D
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Originally posted by Blue Mako
Your analogy was a nice try but:
The whole point is that we can't "change the channel", range vox is always enabled. Saying that putting on headphones etc is not the same as being able to choose whether to listen to the rubbish that is spewing from the range vox. I don't have kids in the house yet I still don't want obscenities blaring at me from AH. With my TV I can choose what I see and hear, with range vox in AH I cannot.
What we are asking for from HTC is the ability to choose, not the ability to censor someone. Giving freedom of choice is not removing any freedom from anyone else...
Ahh but you CAN use the squelch command, you just don't want to. No big deal if you don't, you just want someone else to do it for you.
Funny how people think it's fun to "simulate killing" someone/thing but get upest about some cuss words.
Oh and for you people that like to have your sound turned up loud, it's not good for your hearing. Oh maybe you want to go deaf so you won't hear the cussing when you get older.:rofl
Bottom line, use squelch command.
SCDR
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Originally posted by dedalos
You can have your freedom to say what ever you want (even though you don't seem to grasp that this is a privetly owned company and your freedoms are what ever HT says they are). All I ask, is for the right to not listen to what you have to say.
I guess you only served 20 years for your rights, not ours?
Oh I understand alright. Maybe HT and Co. are working to make this a better sim.
Seeing as you reply isn't considered a flame by HT, I know where I stand. Maybe I mis-read it, but don't think so.
:rofl Actually I served for yours too, so bite me.:D You have your opinion and I have mine.
SCDR
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Etiquette when typing / using vox:
In the world of online gaming we are tasked with participating with individuals from all over the world and of all ages, from children to senior citizens. Along with this comes the mixture of cultures and a word that means one thing to you may have a completely different meaning to someone from let’s say England.
It is disliked by most to spout abusive vulgar language over F12 (Local Vox Range) or try to trick the text buffer filter when masking vulgar text.
None of us know who is at the other end of the connection. It may be a School teacher, A Mother with children or Father. It might even be a young child that is 10 years old.
It is good practice to ask players new & old to try and not use language or text of this type. If we all practice this then it just makes for a better online gaming environment for everyone.
Lol, really why even take the extra time to type for instance "You F***ing F**k Head On F*g F***ing freak" instead of a shorter version of "you HO shootin noob" it really cracks me up to see people "Who Think It Is COOL" or "They are COOL" by typing such a way, it is like in grade school when you start cussing around the gang you hang out with. Is that what you want your AH game experience to be examples of this everytime you play? instead of typing WTFG, why do you need the "F"? what is wrong with "wtg" ? heck you waste time by even using caps for that matter......
and as Skuzzy pointed out a few or so months back "Squelching" does not solve the problem, it is merely a band-aid for it.......
The problem is the individuals who participate in these type situations and continue to do so.
To play this game you agree to certian conditions, and one of them is to not disrupt game play for other individual game players in an abusive manner.
so film it, email it to support@hitechcreations.com and let them handle the degenerate types......
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Originally posted by Seagoon
So JB73, if my neighbor expresses himself by pouring nails and broken glass into the street, I need to start looking into buying solid rubber tires rather than daring to get him to stop. Better yet, I should stop using the street entirely if I don't like it. Regardless, his freedom of anti-social expression is absolutely inviolable regardless of the fact we both pay to use and maintain the same thoroughfare. I just better hope he doesn't take up nude sunbathing in the front yard, or my children will never be allowed outside again.
JB swearing in this venue is no more protected free speech than whacking someone in the head is "the pursuit of happiness." Additionally, swearing on AH comms is technically against the use agreement you entered into when you signed up to play. Therefore the game operators, HI-Tech have already determined they aren't going to allow it online, the question is how will they enforce their decision?
- SEAGOON
SEAGOON did you read my whole post?
instead of making up wild scenarios outside of a private game just read this part again:
i agree that cussing on range vox is a bad thing, i agree that something should possibly be done about it, but i can not think of a solution that does not make a part of the AH community upset in some way. i think AH is a great game, and there are tons of changes out there that may or may not work. i think socitey is more corrupt than a polititian in strip strip club. i think there are no real answers, only comprimises that lead to the least aggravating course.
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Originally posted by Flit
Simply film it and send it in. I assure you the problem will be takin care of in a timely manner.
O, Make sure you turn the film on BEFORE you ask them to ease up. :D
I have and nothing happened. Not just one film of one event, but a total of 6 taken on 6 different nights. The offender is still on and still a potty mouth.
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Originally posted by Traveler
I have and nothing happened. Not just one film of one event, but a total of 6 taken on 6 different nights. The offender is still on and still a potty mouth.
Ya know , thats funny, because every time I send send a film in I get a "problem has been takin care of" e-mail back.And it has been.Every time.
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Who could possibly think a personal permanent squelch, or an option to disable range vox, could in any way be a bad thing?
Boggling.
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Originally posted by Engine
Who could possibly think a personal permanent squelch, or an option to disable range vox, could in any way be a bad thing?
Boggling.
in a fight defending a base, all the friendlies in the air are needed.
helping your fellow man stay alive becomes important if the FH have been killed. now when you look around and see someone unaware of the diving p38 comming at them, you want to warn them.
myself i have a HOTAS setup, with rudder pedals (with all the X45's, X52's, and CH setups out there i know there are more than just a few). i have used all my buttons for essential items, and for 2 years have not had the ability in combat to let go of my stick, pull out the keyboard tray, find the " ' " key, scroll through the planes in sight, and check six the guy.
so i call out, "XXXX check six p38 diving" on range.
let's imagine he has range turned off, i have no way of knowing this, and expect he heard me, yet he doesn't evade. he dies, and now there is one less plane trying to save a base.
now he's in the tower typing on country text that he's mad at my me, my squad, or all people at that base for no check six call -OR- he just silently is mad, and intentionally does not help certain people, because in his mind they didn't help him. -OR- maybe now im mad at him because i have to fight more planes alone because he was to worried about what might be said on vox that working together, and accomplishing something as a group doesn't matter to him. sounds selfish to me.
yes it is his fault for now having the SA, but nobody's perfect, and you can not see everything every time.
there is a reason they have a check six button, and there is a reason we can talk on range to each other.
like i said before, for every example of someone who wants range to be squelched, there is an example of another relying on it.
i have been around for over 3 years, not as much as many, but long enough i think to understand the importance of communication in a fight. i have also spoken to enough, and seen enough at the cons that have similar HOTAS setups, and only have to touch their keyboard to type into the text buffer.
just because i have chosen to spend the money, and learn to fly that way, shoudl i be punished and HAVE to use the keyboard more to communicate to someone who doesn't want to hear me try and help him?
now this is just simple examples, but i think with a little thought you can see the possibilities. i'll say it again, there are 2 sides to every issue, we happen to disagree.
what does the entire MA (all the masses that do not even come to the bulletin board) think about this? i can only guess that with so many upset over VOX being lost, that this would frustrate them also. i may be wrong, but i may be right also.
in all the only solution i can think of is making range a tunable second VOX, but then new players would have to be tuned by default. that would defeat the purpose of making it tunable.
i personally have yet to come up with a solution that suits all. so who do you isolate? who do you metaphorically give the finger to, saying "i dont care what you think is best"? which side?
i will make clear AGAIN i am NOT for cussing on vox, or anything like that at all. i am meerly pointing out a side to the story.
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Originally posted by Engine
Who could possibly think a personal permanent squelch, or an option to disable range vox, could in any way be a bad thing?
Boggling.
73, I think you misunderstood and typed that out for nothing. :)
I'm talking about an OPTION to disable range vox. If someone turns off their range because their 4-yr old daughter is playing in the room, they fully understand they run the risk of not getting a vocal check 6. If they get upset, it's their fault for turning off vox, and in turn the fault of those who irresponsibly curse on vox, forcing them to disable it.
I think you'll agree that the right of a parent to protect the ears of their kids, without having to use headphones in place of the $300 sound sytem they bought just for gaming, shouldn't be traded for your desire for team play. Which you'd still get from the %95 of the arena who will keep vox on.
As for the permanent squelch list... if you don't make a habit of being a ******* on vox, you probably won't end up on the list, will ya? :)
To sum it up, it's silly to say "Sorry, I don't care if your kids are around, you've got to run the risk of people cursing so I can give you a verbal check 6"
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Originally posted by Flit
Ya know , thats funny, because every time I send send a film in I get a "problem has been takin care of" e-mail back.And it has been.Every time.
Oh, I got the e-mails, but the offender is still on and still a problem. I can understand some people haveing a concern with team members squelching VOX on the range channel, however I do think that is the only solution that is workable. that combined with squelch list would be nice. Perhaps when a potty mouth realized that they could no longer hear anyone, they might just clean up their act. Right for now the poor taste of some players does not threaten my family, because I use headphones and I mentally tune out the cussing.
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Originally posted by Flit
Ya know , thats funny, because every time I send send a film in I get a "problem has been takin care of" e-mail back.And it has been.Every time.
I sent in a film a couple weeks ago and never got a responce.
Not complaining, just saying
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Originally posted by Flit
Ya know , thats funny, because every time I send send a film in I get a "problem has been takin care of" e-mail back.And it has been.Every time.
I sent in a film a couple weeks ago and never got a responce.
Not complaining, just saying
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Originally posted by Flit
Ya know , thats funny, because every time I send send a film in I get a "problem has been takin care of" e-mail back.And it has been.Every time.
I sent in a film a couple weeks ago and never got a responce.
Not complaining, just saying
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Originally posted by SCDR
Ahh but you CAN use the squelch command, you just don't want to. No big deal if you don't, you just want someone else to do it for you.
Funny how people think it's fun to "simulate killing" someone/thing but get upest about some cuss words.
Oh and for you people that like to have your sound turned up loud, it's not good for your hearing. Oh maybe you want to go deaf so you won't hear the cussing when you get older.:rofl
Bottom line, use squelch command.
SCDR
Bottom line is...When you have to use the squelch command for language on VOX...it's usually already been SAID!!!!! It prevents more...but not the initial.
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Originally posted by RedTop
Bottom line is...When you have to use the squelch command for language on VOX...it's usually already been SAID!!!!! It prevents more...but not the initial.
Sad to say it's true. Guess the "Moral Majority" flies here.
:rofl Or claim to.
SCDR
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SCDR,
Please help me to understand how the world is a better place because four year old girls can continue to learn the word "m*th*r-f***k*rs" when daddy has a senior moment and forgets to turn the speakers off before starting an air combat simulation?
While we have squelch and resetv commands I haven't yet found the "reset childhood" or "clear audio buffer" channels on my children.
- SEAGOON
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You know, you're all going about this completely wrong... All we need to do is get ****06 laid = problem solved :D
Self-censored, save HT the trouble...
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Originally posted by Seagoon
SCDR,
Please help me to understand how the world is a better place because four year old girls can continue to learn the word "m*th*r-f***k*rs" when daddy has a senior moment and forgets to turn the speakers off before starting an air combat simulation?
While we have squelch and resetv commands I haven't yet found the "reset childhood" or "clear audio buffer" channels on my children.
- SEAGOON
Trust me we are actually on same sheet of music here.
I take responsibility for my actions. IF, when my daughters were younger, I made mistake of not closing door, putting on headset, or turning down volume, then it was MY fault they heard any bad words. I then had to explain why those words were not right to use. Even thou they had heard it coming from Dad's computer.
I am not, repeat, NOT condoning the use of foul language.
People do not want to take responsibilty for their actions, they seem to want others to do that for them, and that is what it seems like here. Sorry, but if you made mistake of letting your kids into the room and you KNOW there might be a chance of them hearing or reading foul language then it is YOUR fault as well as the one cussing.
I just think HT & Co are working on bigger and better things for AH, and yes someday they might/will put in a range vox squelch command/button, along with a perm squelch list.
SCDR
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Originally posted by SCDR
Trust me we are actually on same sheet of music here.
I take responsibility for my actions. IF, when my daughters were younger, I made mistake of not closing door, putting on headset, or turning down volume, then it was MY fault they heard any bad words. I then had to explain why those words were not right to use. Even thou they had heard it coming from Dad's computer.
I am not, repeat, NOT condoning the use of foul language.
People do not want to take responsibilty for their actions, they seem to want others to do that for them, and that is what it seems like here. Sorry, but if you made mistake of letting your kids into the room and you KNOW there might be a chance of them hearing or reading foul language then it is YOUR fault as well as the one cussing.
I just think HT & Co are working on bigger and better things for AH, and yes someday they might/will put in a range vox squelch command/button, along with a perm squelch list.
SCDR
Actually, its all of our faults for not filming the worst offenders and sending it on in. There's a few jerks who rant and rave on range at the top of their lungs with "F" thrown in there every other third word because they didn't get a six call. I have absolutely no idea how some are still allowed to fly here.
Send in the films, hopefully HT will cut them loose. I'd rather lose their company then the nice guys with families, any day.
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Originally posted by SCDR
Trust me we are actually on same sheet of music here.
I take responsibility for my actions. IF, when my daughters were younger, I made mistake of not closing door, putting on headset, or turning down volume, then it was MY fault they heard any bad words. I then had to explain why those words were not right to use. Even thou they had heard it coming from Dad's computer.
I am not, repeat, NOT condoning the use of foul language.
People do not want to take responsibilty for their actions, they seem to want others to do that for them, and that is what it seems like here. Sorry, but if you made mistake of letting your kids into the room and you KNOW there might be a chance of them hearing or reading foul language then it is YOUR fault as well as the one cussing.
I just think HT & Co are working on bigger and better things for AH, and yes someday they might/will put in a range vox squelch command/button, along with a perm squelch list.
SCDR
No, I don't think you are on the same sheet of music. I don't think you condemn the people doing it. That is just as bad as condoning it. I think it would be nice to be able to squelch any channel on AH and I hope that gets done someday. But even with that , the problem will still exist. As demonstrated to me last night by HITCHER on a Mission, on the Mission Channel. Every other word out of his mouth. When I asked “HITCHER do you kiss your wife with that mouth” thinking that he would get the message, his response was “yes and I eat her _USSY with it too”. It’s just a total lack of respect for others and a lack of respect for himself and his wife. No, I didn’t think to hit the film button to record it. I just squelched him. Not because I was afraid children would hear him, but because I didn’t want to hear him. I found it offensive. And I condemn him for talking like that, he is wrong, not me, not you, not anyone else, but HITCHER is dead wrong. But my experience so far is that he will not change, he doesn’t know how to help himself. He is either to ignorant or to arrogant to stop.
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Originally posted by JB73
bal bla bla bla
I can't have the ability to squelch, because you may not be able to check six me? You have to be kiding me. Whats next. Hardwire my speakers on so I cannot turn them off? Maybe prevent me from loging off the game while you are defending a base? We seem to be getting a lot of the things/futures that we don't care or make a difference. However, the one small thing that is probably the easyest change ever requested from HT, we cannont have. More over, we have ******* explaining to us why we should not have it. :confused:
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deleted because replying to 99% of these 'i want' threads is a total f***ing waste of time.
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yeah that should about cover it.
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OK,
Here I am to bring some sence of order to this mess :)
HiTech please add the following:
1. Perma-squelching.
2. Range-squelching.
Both are reasonable requests that do not negatively impact those who choose not to implement these options.
We should not be FORCED to listen to voice comms we find offensive. We should not be FORCED to re-squelch every possible offender every time we log in.
If players are disadvantaged because they can no longer hear a VOX check-6, that is their choice. There's still the check-6 button.
Why anyone would find these suggestions unreasonable is beyond me... Napoleon complex?
g00b
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
You have absolutely no reason to believe every one of 5000 different people from all over the world are going to act according to your standards.
Nothing prevents you from squelching those people. I have a personal list of people I can't tolerate being on range with- I can squelch them all in a matter of seconds. Its already the easiest possible request you could make -It's already in the game!
Sorry dedalos, but you don't make 1 single valid point in there. I also noticed the text filter dinked you. Whining about permasquelch for profanity while using profanities doesn't cut the mustard with me.
First they are not my standards or your standards, they are the standards set by HiTechCreations.
Second, I'd guess that HiTech expects all players to meet that standard.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
You have absolutely no reason to believe every one of 5000 different people from all over the world are going to act according to your standards.
Nothing prevents you from squelching those people. I have a personal list of people I can't tolerate being on range with- I can squelch them all in a matter of seconds. Its already the easiest possible request you could make -It's already in the game!
Sorry dedalos, but you don't make 1 single valid point in there. I also noticed the text filter dinked you. Whining about permasquelch for profanity while using profanities doesn't cut the mustard with me.
HUB,
It was not the filter, it was me that typed the asteriks. I am not making any point. You are right. I am making a request. I would like to be able to not listen to range if I so choose. This does not effect anyone else but HT and ME. NOT YOU. Why do YOU even have an opinion about a request I make to HT that will have no impact on YOU. It does not effect you. Why are you fighting it? Explain that if you please couse its really buging me.
Now go back to cutting mustard:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by dedalos
I can't have the ability to squelch, because you may not be able to check six me? You have to be kiding me. Whats next. Hardwire my speakers on so I cannot turn them off? Maybe prevent me from loging off the game while you are defending a base? We seem to be getting a lot of the things/futures that we don't care or make a difference. However, the one small thing that is probably the easyest change ever requested from HT, we cannont have. More over, we have ******* explaining to us why we should not have it. :confused:
asking for this option, while using both profanity and a personal attack....
makes sence to me
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Originally posted by JB73
asking for this option, while using both profanity and a personal attack....
makes sence to me
There was no profanity used. I typed them in. Now give us a good reason I should not have that option or go away. Personal attack, well, if thats how you see it. :D It was a summary of what you said. At this point, it is not so mach about having the ability to squelch but more about understanding why you, or anyone else, does not want us to have it. I really can't see how it effects you. I just don't get it.
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Originally posted by Traveler
No, I don't think you are on the same sheet of music. I don't think you condemn the people doing it. That is just as bad as condoning it. I think it would be nice to be able to squelch any channel on AH and I hope that gets done someday. But even with that , the problem will still exist. As demonstrated to me last night by HITCHER on a Mission, on the Mission Channel. Every other word out of his mouth. When I asked “HITCHER do you kiss your wife with that mouth” thinking that he would get the message, his response was “yes and I eat her _USSY with it too”. It’s just a total lack of respect for others and a lack of respect for himself and his wife. No, I didn’t think to hit the film button to record it. I just squelched him. Not because I was afraid children would hear him, but because I didn’t want to hear him. I found it offensive. And I condemn him for talking like that, he is wrong, not me, not you, not anyone else, but HITCHER is dead wrong. But my experience so far is that he will not change, he doesn’t know how to help himself. He is either to ignorant or to arrogant to stop.
Your opinion, not mine.:D If it bothers you so much, film it and send in.
SCDR
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By theway,
HT can and this by saig Will do some time, or will never do, or whatever.
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Originally posted by dedalos
By theway,
HT can and this by saig Will do some time, or will never do, or whatever.
Huh?
SCDR
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Originally posted by SCDR
Trust me we are actually on same sheet of music here.
I take responsibility for my actions. IF, when my daughters were younger, I made mistake of not closing door, putting on headset, or turning down volume, then it was MY fault they heard any bad words. I then had to explain why those words were not right to use. Even thou they had heard it coming from Dad's computer.
I am not, repeat, NOT condoning the use of foul language.
People do not want to take responsibilty for their actions, they seem to want others to do that for them, and that is what it seems like here. Sorry, but if you made mistake of letting your kids into the room and you KNOW there might be a chance of them hearing or reading foul language then it is YOUR fault as well as the one cussing.
I just think HT & Co are working on bigger and better things for AH, and yes someday they might/will put in a range vox squelch command/button, along with a perm squelch list.
SCDR
Taking responsibility? I take that everytime I squelch someone. Geesh maybe those with kids / grandkids / nieces and nephews should just put a sign on the door.
"Aces High II in progress. Some language may be offensive to children or some adults. Do Not enter as the flyer may have been irrespnsible and left the speakers on instead of the headphones."
Don't preach that "Taking responsibility" crap. I don't give a hoot who says what to who about anything and the language they use doing it. I DO however give a hoot when KIDS are around.
Why don't we just ask the PEOPLE TALKING like that to take responsiblity. Nope..that would infringe on there "Right" to freely express themselves.
Bunch a dang horse crap.
No impact what so ever on people. None. zero. Nadda.
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