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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Siaf__csf on February 23, 2005, 11:05:41 AM
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And this comes just weeks after Boroda was explaining to us of what kind of security goes with russian nuclear material.
http://www.spacer.com/news/nuclear-blackmarket-02a.html
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THis is not good whatsoever. It will end up in the hands of al queda.
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So what city do you think they will use it on :(
I sure boroda will come in soon and tell us this is just western propaganda.
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Common guys..... we all know that Russia really has it's **** together.
They could neeeevr let any type of nuclear incident happen..........
For too responsible for that..... :rolleyes:
I do find it intersting that this was released right before Bush is to meet the Czar... errr I mean Putin.
Not a coincidence.
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It's all evil Western propaganda.
So, relax.
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cliped from report::
"We assess that undetected smuggling has occurred, although we do not know the extent or magnitude of such thefts," the report said. "Nevertheless, we are concerned about the total amount of material that could have been diverted over the last 10 years"
translation:: " we are doing our job and congress should increase our funding"
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So you think it'd be real easy for us to keep track of all their nuclear material?
Do explain.
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the US intelligence community has concluded.
But it would be nice to see how they use it. At least speculation about this will be over.
May be its time to beat China's great wall :D
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Again? Really wish this would stop happening.
How many uranium fuel rods have walked out by now?
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This is the scariest thing I could ever think of.
And now it has happened for real.
How are you VOR?
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Looks like the west needs to make an extra special effort not to p*ss people off then! something our govts don't seem to be good at doing right now!
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Well all I have to say is, if any nuclear bomb or dirty bomb is set off in the USA or anywhere else in the free democratic world, I say the gloves are off and I hope we Nuke all terrorist states and all those states suspected of harboring terrorists.
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Originally posted by Zulu7
Looks like the west needs to make an extra special effort not to p*ss people off then!
and vise versa, I'm sure you would agree.
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Originally posted by NUKE
and vise versa, I'm sure you would agree.
I agree: it would be great if we could all just be nice to each other.
Now everyone have a lovely day!
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This article is almost 3 years old if I read correctly. Not that it's not an issue , but it's been discussed already I thought.
Interesting read tho.:)
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the main thing is to keep such material from entering the US.
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Old news.............
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Originally posted by Pei
I agree: it would be great if we could all just be nice to each other.
Now everyone have a lovely day!
"Hate never cures Hate.... Only Love cures Hate" Buddha
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Uranium fuel rods are safe to carry out in your briefcase. I do think they require an extensive processing to turn into nuclear weapondry though.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Uranium fuel rods are safe to carry out in your briefcase. I do think they require an extensive processing to turn into nuclear weapondry though.
They'll steralize you. Here, hold this briefcase for us SunTracker.
Karaya
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Fuel rods safe...heh.
I went to the University of Illinois, and even before 9/11 they were downplaying the fact that we had a 5 MWT training reactor on campus. My Nuc Engineering class got the grand tour and where they stored the spent fuel.
And I remember the guys words to this day...
"If you took this with your bare hands, you would get about 100 yards down the street before you dropped to your knee's."
Perhaps as a scare tactic - U-OX is fine if it hasn't been irrediated by neutrons - but that goes away very shortly after the reactor goes critical.
Wolf
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Russia is a screwed up mess of a country, and had been for a long, long time.
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For once we agree whole heartedly NUKE.
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By some estimations, for ever crime detected 10 - 100 are commited. One can only assume OBL right now in his cave listening to an illegal napster copy of Ride of the Valkeries & getting excited
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Smuggling of military hardware from russia into china and north korea is a big problem. Most of it is not weaponry, su27 parts and such.
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Maybe someone needed a nuclear reaction to generate 1.21 gigawatts of electricity?
Tronsky
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I saw on 60 minutes people handling a uranium rod. It is safe. In fact, even the host held it in his hands.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
I saw on 60 minutes people handling a uranium rod. It is safe. In fact, even the host held it in his hands.
Sun - a spent fuel rod.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
I saw on 60 minutes people handling a uranium rod. It is safe. In fact, even the host held it in his hands.
Spent rods are safe, we're not talking spent rods. On a Mineralogy trip to Bancroft, Ontario several years back, we went to a place that had Uraninite. The geiger counter was pegged at 15000 "clicks" a minute. That watermelon alone would steralize you within weeks if not enclosed properly. Uranium rods will not only steralize you, they'll kill you, if handled incorrectly.
Karaya
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I dont think these were spent rods. These were rods distributed by the U.S. under a program by either Eisenhower or Truman. The program said it would take about 3 of these tiny rods to create a bomb the size of Hiroshima/Nagasaki. Each rod was about 24 inches long.
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That reporter could have a tumor in his hand by now for all we know.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
I dont think these were spent rods. These were rods distributed by the U.S. under a program by either Eisenhower or Truman. The program said it would take about 3 of these tiny rods to create a bomb the size of Hiroshima/Nagasaki. Each rod was about 24 inches long.
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Karaya
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Originally posted by Suave
Smuggling of military hardware from russia into china and north korea is a big problem. Most of it is not weaponry, su27 parts and such.
hehe im glad that you mind only smuggliing and not official contracts :)
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You need a lot more than highly enriched uranium to make a bomb. See the thing with nukes is they are always tested, because it is so difficult to construct one that works. I am not worried about them building one I am more concerned about al-qaida's getting there hands on a live nuke. Yeah they could build a dirty bomb but even that you gotta smuggle it into the country put it somewhere it will do signifigant damage and again construct the bomb to where it will actually spread the radiation..
Especially now that we now are constructing a good detector for such material...
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/nuclear_detection_030319.html
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Hmm. Before criticizing Russian nucleat security - please find all the H-bombs that you lost. :rolleyes:
In May 2000, two students at a training center that prepares guards for nuclear weapons facilities were expelled because they had failed their drug tests.
That same month, the Russian Defense Ministry started using officers instead of enlisted men for guard duty while transporting nuclear warheads because of seven incidents in just one month when sentries had left their posts.
Strange matters. "training center that prepares guards for nuclear weapons facilities"? My colleague served in special internal troops corps, in fact - guarding "special cargos". He has no idea of what this "training center" is.
"Russian facilities housing nuclear materials typically receive low funding, lack trained security personnel, and do not have sufficient equipment for securely storing nuclear materials," the council said.
Great. Absolutely eye-opening. I want this "council" to try entering the Physical Problems Institute and it's secured part. I speak about it because I had a chance to work there (networking), it's an institute across the fence from ours. They'll be surprised. Even in our institute, that deals mostly with radiobiology (i mean with radioactive stuff) - the whole building occupied by research units using radioactive materials is guarded as a vital defence object. Funding is quite fine when it somes to security issues.
Most of the "evidence" of "stealing" radioactive material I have heard (and believe me, I heard enough because I work in this organisations of Academy of Science) is anecdotal. Mostly - things that are told at the table after halflitre per nose.
As for "weapon grade materials" - it's a pure nonsence. JFYI, US government "bought" Russian stock of weapon-grade plutonium, many tons, for some strangely small amount of money, IIRC - $800M. This story is covered by darkness, many people involved in it died of some interesting reasons or were simply assassinated... Maybe it's where all this crap comes from... Our beloved party and government made so many interesting things that it deserves to be hanged on display on lamp-posts all over Gorky street (Tverskaya now). I'll not be surprised if one day we'll see enemy troops "securing" our nuclear arsenal.
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Yeah I guess they want to go to the year 2015 where every has a hoverboards, hovercrafts,and instantpizza and I'll be 33 years old by then...scary thoguht indeed.
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Originally posted by Glasses
Yeah I guess they want to go to the year 2015 where every has a hoverboards, hovercrafts,and instantpizza and I'll be 33 years old by then...scary thoguht indeed.
Scary indeed. I am 32 already, and believe me - it's really scary.:rolleyes: ;)
Instantpizza will probably taste like ****. And I think of what they'll do to a nuclear reactor that I can watch from my window at work after they'll close our institute and sell the land for expencive "elite" apartment houses :mad: There is a small chance that stupid nouveau riche will be too scared of having a reactor near their homes.
Putin has a task to kill fundamental science in Russia. There is a serious rumour that our institute, Chemical Physics, the one that made a Bomb in 1949, will be closed and the land (in one of the most beautifull places in Moscow, on top of a high bamk of Moskva river, in a 200 years old park) will be sold for something like billion dollars. They say that they'll let us celebrate 110 years to it's founder, Nikolay Semyonov, a Nobel Prize winner, in 2006, and then we are extinct.
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Originally posted by john9001
cliped from report::
"We assess that undetected smuggling has occurred, although we do not know the extent or magnitude of such thefts," the report said. "Nevertheless, we are concerned about the total amount of material that could have been diverted over the last 10 years"
translation:: " we are doing our job and congress should increase our funding"
The article lists three cases of 'stolen weapon-grade uranium' (1.5 kilogram in 1992, three kilograms in 1994, and "enough for a nuclear bomb" amount in 1998),but it's 2005 outside and there's no follow-up info on these three cases for long time already. Why so ?
At the same time we have to endure the mumble of "we ass-ess", "undetected", and the pearl of them all - "we do not know".
I can predict that the WMD scenario is very much likely in these cases too.
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Article is 3 years old. About the same time US Intelligence services also though SH had nukes for all that's worth...
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http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/02/21/senatornuclear.shtml
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/02/21/senatornuclear.shtml
Yeah, Senator John Rockfeller said that.
Did you happen to notice the guy's last name ? :D