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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: red420 on February 24, 2005, 03:43:17 AM
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I think the Germans have the AH tank fight pretty covered. would really like to see Sherman 76mm or M3A3/5 with I think it's 75mm and 35mm, with gunner being able to use 1. would definately make things a little more interesting. with the good speed of the shermans, could bring plenty of them to play like in the good ol days. anybody else like this idea?
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It's a good idea Red, but the Sherman already is on everyones tank list.
IMO that the Sherman will definately be added, it's a logical expanse of the tanksetup.
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The Sherman may be added for TOD, but would see next to zero use in the MA. It was known as the "Ronson" by German tankers because it lights up first time, every time.
Seriously, the Sherman had inadequate armor and weapons. It was gasoline powered, making it highly explosive. It has a very high profile caused from trying to make it short and narrow.
It's main advantage was reliabilty and huge numbers, both of which are not going to help it in AHII MA. Any of our current tanks would eat it for lunch at any range.
IMHO, a waste of precious HTC resources to model it when so many other planes or GVs should be added.
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I would use it, especially if they make it good for perkies when you do get to kill somebody in it. what about the M3A5 Grant? it may be a rolling coffin but it would be fun to take with a main 75mm gun and a 37mm. I mean, I usually die from one shot in a tank anyway, I just want a little more to choose from. Germans aren't the only ones that had tanks in ww2, but looking around here it seems like it.
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i agree shermans would probly complete the tank loadout. But, it would indeed get slaughtered. The Jeb Stuart might have some base attack perks though. What this game really needs is a good tank destroyer or mobile artillery. The germans hold the market on all tread warfare during WW2. Now if the US M26 was incorporated it might have a chance. I would like to see the Sturmtiger implemented. It had indirect fire by use of a 380 cm mortar. That could rain down pretty nasty on a field. I personally don't understand why indirect fire (besides warships) Haven't been brought in yet since it was a major component of that war.
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would like to see some kind of artillery, M40 would be nice. we definately need something that can kill a tiger better than a panzer can. there are such vehicles. personally I think more countries armor should be modeled in ah. makes sense to look at the vehicles that were produced in the highest numbers, saw the most combat, and actually made a difference.
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Just give me an M26 Pershing, that's all I need.
(http://www.michiganhistorymagazine.com/extra/tanks/images/m26.jpg)
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i would like too seee them put ina EleFant.
Or a Jadgtiger.
let me go out on a limb here..... The King Tiger
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oh my the Konigstiger would be awesome industrucable by any means air or ground. Would be a super perk gv!
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2 comments:
I think the modern opinion is that the Sherman's flamability was primarily due to the ammunition propellant igniting, not the fuel. Some later variants of the Sherman dealt with this by either armoring the ammo storage bins, or by filling them with water. This is the variant which AH could introduce.
Also, if the Sherman introduced was the Sherman Firefly (17 pdr, possibly with APDS), the vehicle might be adequately competitive. This gun had way better penetration than the 88L56 on the Tiger I.
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TDeacon,
I don't think the Sherman 'Firefly' "might be adequately competitive", I think it would need to be lightly perked.
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Don't think they would perk it, as the armor is basically the same as the regular Sherman (various models) it was converted from. So you have for the Firefly vs. the Tiger:
Firefly gun has better penetration.
Firefly mobility is similar (worse over soft ground).
Firefly armor is worse.
BTW, Mosq, my reference materials indicate that the height of a Sherman is about the same as that of a Tiger I (9 1/2 feet). The Tiger looks lower only because it is much wider.
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The sherman was no match for the tiger then ,
and it will be no match(if made) for it now.
If they did incorporate it into this game,they would prolly give you perks for takin it out in the first place.
The hieght of the sherman is 2.99 meters.
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I like to see the Sherman with a optional weapon bay. Like the rocket pods mounted on top of the sherman. That be very cool. And I would like to see a british tank like the churchhill.
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Sherman would be one of the most popular addons in the game. red's right, in WW2 the Germans were'nt the only ones that had tanks, but in AHII it seems like it, though they are making more things. The Sherman was very useful due to high numbers they produced, the amount that were together in battle that out numbered the german tanks by like 20 to 8. Also, the sherman was very maneuverable and was fast. Thus getting away from the enemy fairly quick, and being able to go places the german tanks couldnt. So I really hope you change your mind on saying the sherman would render "useless" in AH.
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Gives us a duece and a half and a howitzer (sp?)
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Maybe a Sherman with a Flame thrower.
Sherman was for Infantry killing.
Cleaning out the enemy on foot.
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Originally posted by 1Klink
Maybe a Sherman with a Flame thrower.
Sherman was for Infantry killing.
Cleaning out the enemy on foot.
You're right, there. In American doctrine, the tanks were to fight against infantry and positions, while tank destroyers went after enemy tanks.
Bring the M-18 Hellcat to AH! Tigers beware! Don't run, you'll only die tired!
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How about one of these?
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/68_1109605178_naamloos.jpg)
Chi-Ha, the best of the Japanese tanks of WWII, but still nowhere near good enough to match anything in production by the Allies. It first appeared in 1937.
The main gun was a decent 57mm, but armor, whilst it would stop a rifle bullet would have difficulty in stopping a 2pdr, let alone a Sherman's 75mm. In time, the 57mm was replaced by a 47mm high velocity A/T gun that could kill a Sherman at 500 yards, this was the only decent A/T weapon fielded by the Japanese, this variant was known as Shinhoto Chi-Ha. This example is in the Aberdeen Proving Grounds, and is one of the few WWII vehicles there that still look like they are in the original color pattern.
Length: 5.53m
Width: 2.31m
Height: 2.36m
Weight: 13465kg
Crew: 4
Armament: 47mm, 2x MG
Armor: 8mm-33mm
Max Speed: 40km/h
Range: 240km
Engine Rating: 150hp
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Frank thanx for the trip down memory lane,But an Ostwind
would take that Jap Crap out.
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Yeah it probably would
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How about the M-24 Chaffee? It was considered a light tank but it had a top speed of 35mph with a high velocity 75mm main gun and 2x .30 cal and 1x .50 cal machine gun. It was much lower in profile and was the predecessor of the M-41 . It was introduced into europe during WWII in late 1944.
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T34 would wax any of the tanks mentioned thus far, and the t34 sucks. (Was Jeb Stuart the one with the small turret with 37mm, and large fix 75mm?)
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Originally posted by bj229r
T34 would wax any of the tanks mentioned thus far, and the t34 sucks. (Was Jeb Stuart the one with the small turret with 37mm, and large fix 75mm?)
Not quite, as the M-24 had a high velocity 75mmgun and the lower profile indicitive of the T-34 (look at the body and notice the relative comparison). and was much lower than a T-34 but the 1944 models of T-34 did have 85MM guns which were more than a match for the tiger 1 but not the tiger II. The "Jeb Stuart" was an M-3 light tank and the one you are referring to is an M-3 "Grant/Lee" with a side mounted low velocity 75mm and a 37mm turret gun.
All the Best...
Jay
awDOC1
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I believe im thinkin of somethin called General Lee, or similar--we used it in North Africa before Sherman came out--stood like 13 feet tall--it could actually kill german tanks tho
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The M3 was called Lee by the British and Grant by the Americans. It had a turret with a high velocity 47mm gun and a hull mounted 75mm howitzer which had a field of fire from straight ahead to somewhat off to the right. Unfortunately it was riveted, not wielded, which created many little projectiles o'death buzzing around inside when hit. The M3 did a lot of service in North Africa.