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Post by: Raider179 on February 26, 2005, 03:08:08 PM: Well he got what he wanted publicity...

WICHITA, Kansas (CNN) -- A 59-year-old Park City, Kansas, man has been arrested in Wichita's notorious "BTK" serial killings, according to Wichita police.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/26/btk.investigation/index.html
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Post by: Tumor on February 26, 2005, 04:59:04 PM: Kill him.
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Post by: Nilsen on February 26, 2005, 05:01:20 PM: Playing god are you tumor? ;)
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Post by: Toad on February 26, 2005, 05:09:21 PM: No, more like jury.
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Post by: Lizking on February 26, 2005, 05:18:14 PM: Forensics are too good to be dicking around with letters and things today.
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Post by: Tumor on February 26, 2005, 05:20:51 PM: Ok... after he's (BTK) found guilty. KILL HIM[/color]. I don't care what "God" thinks about it :)
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Post by: SOB on February 26, 2005, 05:22:33 PM: Yep, if he did it, kill him. After that, "God" is welcome to have him. Alternatively, if you've got a problem with the killing part, we could send him to live with you instead, Nilsen. ;)
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Post by: Lizking on February 26, 2005, 05:26:56 PM: BTK played God, his penalty is justice.
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Post by: Nilsen on February 26, 2005, 05:28:15 PM: After living with me for a few weeks he would kill himself so thats a deal SOB :)
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Post by: eagl on February 26, 2005, 06:29:09 PM: I always liked those cages they'd hang up from poles on the main road just outside of town. The iron ones that are a little shorter than the person but too narrow to sit down, and not enough space between the iron bars to stick yer legs through. So you get to die of thirst while crouched over just a little bit, hanging up about 20 ft in the air. Impressive, very public, and it sends the message that murder just isn't acceptable here.

Although there is a lot to be said for a a quick, painless, and relatively anonymous execution. The trouble is that it takes so darn long nowadays that it becomes personal again instead of a clinical application of the law.

It's gotta be fair and the system has to make every effort to keep innocent people from being executed, but it shouldn't take 10+ years to execute someone who is guilty beyond any shadow of a doubt. Only the lawyers and the perp get anything out of that.
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Post by: DREDIOCK on February 26, 2005, 06:34:02 PM: Bah. kill im anyway
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Post by: Raider179 on February 26, 2005, 06:35:57 PM: From what I heard earlier he is not eligble for the death penalty since the crimes were committed before 1994.
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Post by: jEEZY on February 26, 2005, 07:19:22 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Raider179
From what I heard earlier he is not eligble for the death penalty since the crimes were committed before 1994.

Perhaps...but the feds have yet to weigh in on this one and may throw in their dp laws--seems the us attornies are letting the local da have her day in the sun before the feds get their slam dunk murder trial.
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Post by: Tumor on February 26, 2005, 07:30:13 PM: Quote
Originally posted by jEEZY
Perhaps...but the feds have yet to weigh in on this one and may throw in their dp laws--seems the us attornies are letting the local da have her day in the sun before the feds get their slam dunk murder trial.

:D Good Fedfood fodder.
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Post by: Holden McGroin on February 26, 2005, 10:54:11 PM: Quote
Originally posted by jEEZY
Perhaps...but the feds have yet to weigh in on this one and may throw in their dp laws--seems the us attornies are letting the local da have her day in the sun before the feds get their slam dunk murder trial.

Generally murder is not a federal crime. Timoth McVeigh got executed on a federal charge because it is a federal crime to kill ATF agents, and there were some in the Murrow building.
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Post by: TweetyBird on February 26, 2005, 11:04:22 PM: I guess due process is a bad subject to bring up right now...
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Post by: Lizking on February 26, 2005, 11:59:33 PM: I think we should duly process him, then put him in the Gibbon.
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Post by: Raider179 on February 27, 2005, 02:29:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by jEEZY
Perhaps...but the feds have yet to weigh in on this one and may throw in their dp laws--seems the us attornies are letting the local da have her day in the sun before the feds get their slam dunk murder trial.

Not sure at all on the laws but I dont think he crossed state lines so I dont think he is eligible for federal trial either. But hell I think life in jail is way worse than the death penalty.
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Post by: Holden McGroin on February 27, 2005, 02:36:59 AM: Even if he went from Kansas to Arkansas to murder somebody it would not be a federal crime, it would be State of Arkansas that would try him for a murder committed in their state.
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Post by: Raider179 on February 27, 2005, 02:37:51 AM: It doesnt make it a federal crime to cross interstate boundries?
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Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on February 27, 2005, 03:00:09 AM: If he kidnapped a victim and crossed a state line with that victim, it is Federal.
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Post by: Holden McGroin on February 27, 2005, 03:09:08 AM: Since the Lindbergh baby kidnapping/murder, kidnapping has been a federal crime no matter the circumstances.

Travelling to another state to commit a crime does not make any crime federal, but interstate flight to avoid prosecution is a federal crime.

If BTK killed somebody out of state then he would be liable for murder charges there. Some federal prosecutor could probably argue that returning home was interstate flight, but that would not be a capital charge.
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Post by: Raider179 on February 27, 2005, 03:12:35 AM: Ok so he is not eligible for federal prosecution? is that correct?
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Post by: Holden McGroin on February 27, 2005, 03:19:26 AM: Not unless maybe one of the victims was a Federal Law Officer of some kind... ATF, FBI, or some other alphabetic agency.
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Post by: Raider179 on February 27, 2005, 03:24:09 AM: ok thats what I thought.
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Post by: Thrawn on February 27, 2005, 04:05:46 AM: Quote
Originally posted by eagl
It's gotta be fair and the system has to make every effort to keep innocent people from being executed, but it shouldn't take 10+ years to execute someone who is guilty beyond any shadow of a doubt.

Juries aren't asked if they think the defendant is guilty beyond any shadow of a doubt.
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Post by: Holden McGroin on February 27, 2005, 05:35:23 AM: Quote
"We're gonna give ya a fair trial, and then we're gonna hang ya." --- Paul Newman, "The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean"