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Title: Good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Siaf__csf on February 27, 2005, 01:25:39 PM: I know one poster that will spend his days watching this (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6987348/)

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The station will feature documentary programs about the army, rousing old Soviet films, and children's shows,

Interesting that they should reintroduce the old USSR time propaganda.
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Siaf__csf on February 27, 2005, 04:44:40 PM: Hmm Boroda must be out drinking.
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: GRUNHERZ on February 27, 2005, 04:58:37 PM: (http://radio.weblogs.com/0001015/images/2002/09/21/lenin.jpg)

:rofl
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Zulu7 on February 27, 2005, 05:00:04 PM: The enemy in the east again?

watch this space......
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: GRUNHERZ on February 27, 2005, 05:02:39 PM: If Boroda is any indication I think it's safe to say that Bolshevik mongrel horde never went away in the first place...
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Zulu7 on February 27, 2005, 05:17:16 PM: "that Bolshevik mongrel horde"

(http://www.soldat.com/Kunst%20Hitler.jpg)

Didn't this guy say that too? careful Grunherz!
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: GRUNHERZ on February 27, 2005, 05:19:45 PM: You see Boroda was supposed to say that, but in a more funny way..

tsk tsk tsk

I'm trying really hard to convince Boroda that the capitalist pig west is still out to destroy the motherland...
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Zulu7 on February 27, 2005, 07:45:29 PM: What worries me Grun is that you quote this old B*tch

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/ilove/years/1979/gallery/images/340/maggie.jpg)
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Sandman on February 27, 2005, 09:22:32 PM: BSG?
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Tarmac on February 27, 2005, 09:23:46 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Sandman
BSG?

It's that stuff in Chinese food. Gives ya hives and the runs and stuff.
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Sandman on February 27, 2005, 11:31:26 PM: Thought that was MSG.

:)
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Siaf__csf on February 28, 2005, 12:35:14 AM: I wanted to have irony - people in US rave about BSG while in russia it's 'yei a full time propaganda channel from the department of defense'

Now the government controls every single news media in russia including the newspapers. The propaganda channel was a logical step in the progress.

Let the brainwash commence!
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: -tronski- on February 28, 2005, 02:12:29 AM: I thought it was a thread about Battlestar Galactica

Tronsky
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Boroda on February 28, 2005, 08:01:59 AM: I already tuned my TV to Zvezda channel. They run Soviet films (all kinds) and some low-budget "educational" programms including ones that are about Orthodox church. Still "test broadcasting" only, the picture quality is not good in my area. I already enjoyed some forgotten films like "Train out of timetable" about railway emergency services dealing with an uncontrolled train with an engine driver who died from heart-attack. Pure commie propaganda, isn't it? :lol

I like the idea of showing Soviet films without idiotic commercials. I'll prefer good old Soviet films to Hollywood crap that is run 90% of the time on other channles. TRC "Kultura" that runs non-commercial programms, educational, historical and other non-profit stuff without advertisement is getting more and more popular every year.

What IMHO is really wrong is that government TV channels show enemy propaganda production 24/7.
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: DREDIOCK on February 28, 2005, 08:10:54 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Boroda

What IMHO is really wrong is that government TV channels show enemy propaganda production 24/7.

Ummm just out of pure curiousity.
Whom is the "enemy" of which you speak?
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Boroda on February 28, 2005, 08:17:51 AM: Quote
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Ummm just out of pure curiousity.
Whom is the "enemy" of which you speak?

I mean that showing Rambo-III in prime-time on weekend in Russia is... hmm... strange.

I tried to think of a Soviet film about American soldiers that was as stupid and full of hatred and failed :( Even pure propaganda films like "Coordinates of death" about Vietnam war don't show American servicemen as stupid bloodthirsty maniacs.
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: DREDIOCK on February 28, 2005, 08:22:51 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Boroda
I mean that showing Rambo-III in prime-time on weekend in Russia is... hmm... strange.

I tried to think of a Soviet film about American soldiers that was as stupid and full of hatred and failed :( Even pure propaganda films like "Coordinates of death" about Vietnam war don't show American servicemen as stupid bloodthirsty maniacs.

Soooo you are identifying America as the "enemy"?

BTW most Americans think Rambo III sucked too
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Siaf__csf on February 28, 2005, 08:55:32 AM: I knew it would be your favourite Boroda. :aok
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Krusher on February 28, 2005, 09:22:56 AM: Quote
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Soooo you are identifying America as the "enemy"?

BTW most Americans think Rambo III sucked too

I thought the III was the number of people who watched the movie :)
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Boroda on February 28, 2005, 10:12:59 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I knew it would be your favourite Boroda. :aok

Zvezda transmits only 12 hours daily now, and most of this time I am at work.

I rarely watch TV, mostly after midnight, when they show old Western movies. Last week some genius showed Hitchcock's "The Birds" at 02:00... And in prime-time they feed the public with modern Hollywood crap and soap operas :( Or imbecilic Jerry Springer-like talk shows. But the worst thing is their afternoon programms for kids. :mad: Feels like brain-McDonalds instead of real food. Zombyfication goes on and on.
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Zulu7 on February 28, 2005, 10:38:36 AM: Boroda you took the bait at last!

Actualy we get moronic Jerry Springer type stuff too. Personaly I just use the "off" button if I don't want to watch it.
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: DREDIOCK on February 28, 2005, 10:10:48 PM: Boroda, you never answered my question.

You identify America as "the Enemy"?
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Tarmac on February 28, 2005, 10:50:24 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Sandman
Thought that was MSG.

:)

Something like that. Mono sodium glutemate is just the little cousin to umm... bi-sodium glutemate?
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Airhead on February 28, 2005, 11:26:58 PM: Out of all the crap America has spread through the world- wars, coups, and invasions- the worst we've done is subject the Europian people to our television programming.

I am truly sorry, Baroda. I hope a Russian filmmaker does a version of Rambo featuring a Russian vet of the Afghan War. That way you can finally see a movie without subtitles.
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Staga on March 01, 2005, 02:22:00 AM: I think they prefer dubbing over subtitles... Well some movie had just translators speaking over original sound.
That did sound pretty annoying.
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Zulu7 on March 01, 2005, 02:36:02 AM: Airhead.

Urm I think maybe theres a little more than just the crap TV

(http://www.kolosej.si/kinocentri/kolosej-lj/mc-donalds/img/mc-donalds.gif)

(http://deneb.bu.edu/geocities/wisdom/reagan/pershing.jpg)

"The shooting of four teenagers in Birmingham is the most shocking example in a growing catalogue of gun crime in the city"

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1220000/images/_1220271_eminemap_300.jpg)

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/930000/images/_931726_logo.jpg)

Ands theres more

:rofl :lol :lol
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Siaf__csf on March 01, 2005, 04:28:09 AM: I saw the russian pirated version of 'titanic' back when the movie was new. Most western titles are sold for around $2 a piece or even less if you buy in quantity in the open markets and even shops down there.

It was funny. They dubbed over the voice and all cast members were dubbed by the same bass-rich male voice. Including the female actors.

:D

It really was hilarious.
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Staga on March 01, 2005, 07:17:59 AM: I did rent a movie (not a pirated) and just for the funnay I put the russian audio on and it was just like you described; single voice doing the dubbing for whole movie but this one did sound like a female shot-putter from Ex-DDR.
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Lye-El on March 01, 2005, 07:36:58 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Zulu7

"The shooting of four teenagers in Birmingham is the most shocking example in a growing catalogue of gun crime in the city"

Gotta get rid of those citys. They are dangerous. Full of crime, hogging resources, drugs, high auto insurance.
There ought to be a law against them. :cool:
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Zulu7 on March 01, 2005, 08:21:26 AM: :rofl

I quoted that from local news e-bulletin.

Yeah Citys huh who'd have em!
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: bunch on March 01, 2005, 12:30:11 PM: If you like Soviet movies dont miss Torpedo Bombers
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Curval on March 01, 2005, 12:34:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Boroda, you never answered my question.

You identify America as "the Enemy"?

When the stupid Rambo movies were made...yes.
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Boroda on March 01, 2005, 01:37:08 PM: Quote
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Boroda, you never answered my question.

You identify America as "the Enemy"?

I identify movies like Rambo-II and III as "enemy propaganda".

Our countries are far from being allies, at least until you harbour Chechen terrorists.

You have to understand that both our countries have their own interests, that often contradict each other. That's life. I, personally, don't think that American people are my enemy. Your government often is. It's not an emotional matter, it's a well-known fact.

Alexander III said that Russia has only two reliable allies: it's Army and Navy. And he was the only Emperor who didn't wage wars.

I hope I made it clear.
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Boroda on March 01, 2005, 01:43:25 PM: double post, sorry.
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Post by: Boroda on March 01, 2005, 01:49:37 PM: triple post, sorry. ;)
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Post by: Boroda on March 01, 2005, 01:49:39 PM: Quote
Originally posted by bunch
If you like Soviet movies dont miss Torpedo Bombers

http://imdb.com/title/tt0262052/

This film is availible on DVD in the US.

One of the most impressive films I have ever seen.

Before watching it - please grab a bottle of strong alcohol. Otherwise it can be dangerous for your untrained nervous system. I simply can't watch it when sober :(
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Boroda on March 01, 2005, 02:12:47 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Staga
I think they prefer dubbing over subtitles... Well some movie had just translators speaking over original sound.
That did sound pretty annoying.

Yes, it's an old tradition. In Soviet times all foreign language films or films from other Soviet republics were dubbed. Then in the 80s, when VCRs became availible, Western films were translated and the translator's voice was mixed over original soundtrack.

Many such translators make stuff much better then "professional" studios.

BTW, Bulgarians, who have the same Cyrillic ABC and can read Russian without any problems always complain that Russians dub films instead of making subtitles ;)
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: WilldCrd on March 01, 2005, 02:15:04 PM: Quote
Originally posted by -tronski-
I thought it was a thread about Battlestar Galactica

Tronsky

glad i wasn't the only one:rolleyes:
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 01, 2005, 02:18:08 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Boroda

Before watching it - please grab a bottle of strong alcohol. Otherwise it can be dangerous for your untrained nervous system. I simply can't watch it when sober :(

No wonder you people drink so much, I bet there is and was a whole bunch of things you cant stand while sober...
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Boroda on March 01, 2005, 02:28:32 PM: Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
No wonder you people drink so much, I bet there is and was a whole bunch of things you cant stand while sober...

We just had too many such things in our history. In every family.

A torpedo-bomber crew seeing the flotsam from the boat with their evacuated families... With gunner completely collapsed on the floor screaming and commander saying on the intercom: "We will chastise them... chastise...".

I wish you never be in such a situation.

It's much more touching then hanging partisans.
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: GRUNHERZ on March 01, 2005, 02:34:31 PM: Yep Boroda, your people have not had many good times in the past few hundred years...
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Post by: mosgood on March 01, 2005, 02:44:12 PM: Quote
Originally posted by -tronski-
I thought it was a thread about Battlestar Galactica

Tronsky

Me too!:mad:
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: DREDIOCK on March 01, 2005, 07:35:02 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Boroda
I identify movies like Rambo-II and III as "enemy propaganda".

Our countries are far from being allies, at least until you harbour Chechen terrorists.

You have to understand that both our countries have their own interests, that often contradict each other. That's life. I, personally, don't think that American people are my enemy. Your government often is. It's not an emotional matter, it's a well-known fact.

Alexander III said that Russia has only two reliable allies: it's Army and Navy. And he was the only Emperor who didn't wage wars.

I hope I made it clear.

Fair nuff.

I pretty much feel the same way about the Russian,And now French governments.
Although you have one up on the french as of those I've met personally I've yet to meet one I liked let alone trusted

Our own Thomas Jefferson maintained that the USA should look after its own interests first and not maintain permanent alliances
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: DREDIOCK on March 01, 2005, 07:46:26 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Boroda
Yes, it's an old tradition. In Soviet times all foreign language films or films from other Soviet republics were dubbed. Then in the 80s, when VCRs became availible, Western films were translated and the translator's voice was mixed over original soundtrack.

Many such translators make stuff much better then "professional" studios.

BTW, Bulgarians, who have the same Cyrillic ABC and can read Russian without any problems always complain that Russians dub films instead of making subtitles ;)

Honestly I'd rather have the subtitles.

something gets lost int he translation when you get rid of the actors voice and replace it with another.

You loose some of the flavor.

Dunno if you ever have seen a John Wayne movie but I've seen one dubbed over and it just doesnt work

To put it into some kind of explination fellow English speaking folk understand.

Imagine Woddy Allans voice instead of Jack Nicolson in The Shining saying, "Honey, Im home"
It suddenly becomes an entirely different movie
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Siaf__csf on March 02, 2005, 12:55:17 AM: We were laughing with tears when we saw the dubbed titanic. Remember the scene where Jack is handcuffed to the ship while it's sinking and Rose comes for his help?

The scene lasts a long time where they are in panic and keep calling 'Jack!..Rose!..Jack!..Rose..' etc.

Now imagine this again with a deep male voice reading both actors lines with _zero_ emotion whatsoever. :rofl
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Airhead on March 02, 2005, 01:32:35 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Siaf__csf
We were laughing with tears when we saw the dubbed titanic. Remember the scene where Jack is handcuffed to the ship while it's sinking and Rose comes for his help?

The scene lasts a long time where they are in panic and keep calling 'Jack!..Rose!..Jack!..Rose..' etc.

Now imagine this again with a deep male voice reading both actors lines with _zero_ emotion whatsoever. :rofl

Dude... I just realized this...You're a Commie! I didn't want to believe it when Lazs called you a Commie, but if you watch dubbed movies done live by Baroda's cousin then you're a Gommie.

Could be worse...you could be from Texas...
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Siaf__csf on March 02, 2005, 01:50:24 AM: Airhead you really live up to your name.

If you think that viewing a pirated movie purchased from a tourist trip makes someone a commie I'm left without words.

:( :eek:

You've got ancious paranoia issues. Consult professional help.
Title: BSG? Nah, it's good old fashion propaganda for peasants
Post by: Staga on March 02, 2005, 02:16:28 AM: Hook and sinker.
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Post by: Siaf__csf on March 02, 2005, 07:40:25 AM: Well it's understandable after seeing my great love for the USSR. Clearly I'm a commie.