Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AKFokerFoder+ on March 02, 2005, 12:48:22 AM
-
I do not want this to turn into another of a endless stream of perk the LA7s.
I would like it to be some good advice on how to deal with the LA7.
Now I just may be me and the pilots I've run into lately, but it seems the LA7 pilots as a whole are getting a lot better. It used to be that if you ran into a LA7, chances are it was driven by a bunny pilot. I would use a SWAG of about 4 in 5 were bunnies, and just steak on the plate. It would seem that some of these bunnies are now getting to be salty dogs, and a lot tougher to shoot down. And a whole lot more likely to shoot me down. I would say at least a third of them are not bunnies these days. Or is it just me?
I am just starting to try out the F6F as hopefully a better MA plane than the 190A8. But it is becoming very apparent to me that I will have to use simular tactics in the F6F that I used in the 190A8, or I'm going to spend a lot of time explaining to the flight Sgt why his plane is a bent up peace of junk. :)
I am just in my infancy of flying a more manuverable plane. What has been happening is I have become over confident in the planes turning ability, and have been getting too low and too slow. Low slow planes die...
Any tips on dealing with a LA7 on your six when you are flying stupid? I mean other than reaching down, grabbing your ankles and kissing your tail feathers goodbye?
-
Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
But it is becoming very apparent to me that I will have to use simular tactics in the F6F that I used in the 190A8, or I'm going to spend a lot of time explaining to the flight Sgt why his plane is a bent up peace of junk. :)
Best and only tip I can really give you:
Spend a lot of time explaining to the flight Sgt why his plane is a bent up peace of junk.
(Altho I'm sure some good F6F sticks can give you a few tips to cut down the # of planes your messing up on him)
-
As a 38G driver I'm finding that I can handle the LA7 guys for the most part if it's 1 v 1. Once they figure out you can turn inside em they tend to run for the hills. If you are lucky they try and turn with you and then you can nail em.
it's the pack of em that gets tough :)
And of course the guys that know what they're doing can really control the fight with that speed in particular down low
Dan/Slack
Who still sucks at this game, but might be getting just a tad better
-
You can outturn them if you can catch them (which you can't) .
If they are coming for you avoid them for a pass or two (dodge a couple of HO's ) until they run off.
I would find another plane though, you will find the Hellcat too slow for todays MA - it's stuck in the no-mans land of too slow for the e-fighters and not turning well enough for the turnfighters.
-
only thing to shake a decent stick la7 in a hellcat (or most planes) is to make him overshoot.
as he aproaches D800, cut power completely (assuming you arnt already at stall speed) and prepare to weave around his bullets.
judge your throttle control so you can stay with him long enough for a shot after he has blown by.
if he sticks to you, barrel roll followed by scissor, followed by barrel roll, always with him overshooting in mind.
-
let them make a few passes at you, time them to do a reverse at @1.5 out. If they point their nose at you guns blazing, you have a shot at killing them. The key here is to keep E up. I tend to do low G low yoyo's, and after they miss, I do a gentle climb to gain back potential E. Repeat this move 2-4 times. EVENTUALLY, after missing you over and over, the lala driver will commit themself. This is where you have to be quick. When they commit, i.e. not zoom up and gain distance (generally, after missing that 3-4 pass, they tend to immel hard, and are usually d1.0 out) THAT is when you do your merge, get on 'em fast, and shoot them down. You have to be fairly quick here. After they blow the merge, and figure out you are d400 or under behind them, they do some evasives (blowing their E) and you SHOULD have 2-3 good shot opportunities on 'em. Generally, this is where I tag 'em w/ a deflection shot during their evasives. You have to be quick, because when the figure out they not gonna lose you, most lala drivers will point nose down and run. The F6f has a GREAT zero G dive, and you can stay w/ 'em and possibly get a good 6 shot as they run.
How I tend to do it anyway....
-
If you find the F6F too slow
Try the F4Us they are very fast, hard to compress and have dive brackes (landing gear) if you do compress they also turn and roll very well with flaps and rudder...
In a way it is a lesser vertion of the P38 but it goes faster.
Oh, and BTW the F4U-1a is the fastest F4U on the deck and at higher altitudes.
If you are interested in learning the F4U find WideWing.
-
Oh, and BTW the F4U-1a is the fastest F4U on the deck and at higher altitudes.
Wrong, have you forgotten the F4U-4 which is faster than the P51 at all altitudes ?
-
I'm sure he meant non-perk hogs.
but as an ex-dedicated F4U-1 driver (still do from time to time) the best defense I had against LA's if I was caught low and slow was it's low speed maneuverability with flaps. If they didnt overshoot but instead tried to follow for a shot 9 times outta 10 they augered.
-
Originally posted by Guppy35
As a 38G driver I'm finding that I can handle the LA7 guys for the most part if it's 1 v 1. Once they figure out you can turn inside em they tend to run for the hills. If you are lucky they try and turn with you and then you can nail em.
it's the pack of em that gets tough :)
I've found this to be true with the P-38L, too. I love it when the LA-7s realize they won't out-turn me so they extend out, turn around, and try to HO my P-38.
I haven't tried it in the 38G and J yet.
As for the Hellcat, I've found that it'll bleed E pretty quickly. Some weaving and kicking the rudder should force an overshoot. Just make sure you have some altitude underneath you so you can dive and get your speed back.
-
Originally posted by Redd
You can outturn them if you can catch them (which you can't) .
If they are coming for you avoid them for a pass or two (dodge a couple of HO's ) until they run off.
I would find another plane though, you will find the Hellcat too slow for todays MA - it's stuck in the no-mans land of too slow for the e-fighters and not turning well enough for the turnfighters.
Actually I think the F6F is just fine....
Foder....
I think the biggest transition is going to be going from the rollrate/throttle/snapshot mentality of the A8 to more off an E to angles mentality. I normally dont have a lot of problems with lala's in a Ki-61 or -1 hog (1 on 1). The key is to get them aggressive and then whack em. Personally I use the drex "covergence of E" thingie....basically get em into a semi saddled position then force em out in front. I'll see if I have a decent clip or two that shows what I'm talking about....
-
Originally posted by Mitchell
If you find the F6F too slow
Try the F4Us they are very fast, hard to compress and have dive brackes (landing gear) if you do compress they also turn and roll very well with flaps and rudder...
In a way it is a lesser vertion of the P38 but it goes faster.
The hog has a lot of things I like, such as roll rates, smooth handling up to compression, it manuevers exceptionally well at high speeds.
What I didn't like was that I had a couple of Spit5 outdive me. I mean, I am plunging down from over 10k to the deck, plane screeching and moaning, compressed so bad that it will only respond to trim controlls. I barely missed augering in. I was a 50ft, looked back, and the Spittie who started following me from 1.5K back was now D400 and still gaining.
A little while later, another Spittie (not sure which one did the same thing, only I started from 8K, and he had mabe 2K on me. I wasn't compressed, but screeching of frame stress was quite loud. He was closing fast as we hit the deck. The spittie finally got me as I tried to roll and force an overshoot.
No Non perk Spittie could touch my A8, and I always thought that the Hog was one of the premiere divers in WWII.
-
I fly the f6 quite a bit. I tend to take things situation by situation, but here are a few things that I like to use when talking about f6f vs. la7.
1. He's faster than you, and can maneuver well when he's faster. You need to keep him turning with you. If he decides to run, the fight is over, and no kill for you.
2. la7 will tend to snaproll at 150-175 mph, especially in a hard turn, this may give you a moment to capitalize
3. F6 has a great reversal if you pull a high left yoyo while adding rudder. That nose will literally flip right over the body of the plane.
4. You are better at low speeds than he is, and your flaps are WAY more effective. If he gets behind you (this works better on the deck), cut throttle and keep him scissoring. Either he will overshoot you because he's going too fast, or he'll cut his throttle, pull to hard, and auger. If you keep him going back and forth, you make a tough target, even though you may lose a few pieces. What lute was saying works well too... best chance to kill this fool is under 175mph in my opinion =)
-
Great answers, but I think he is woried about the LA7 pilot that knows what he is doing. That means, the lala is not about to overshoot and it is not going to turn fight. I think that when two equal pilots meet, the better plane will win. Now if the better plane is already on your six, all the talk about how great you and your plane are is not going to help mach.
key words: lala pilot knows how to fly lala. Equal pilot skill.
-
In that case, barring any mistake on the LA's part you can be pretty much toast. The best you could do is HOPE he augers or overshoots but if he's good he'll just dictate the fight until he gets his shot.
-
Foder....
I shot this a little while ago...
All I did was film the reverse part....
http://www.azhacker.com/images/bookofdrex.ahf
I think that when two equal pilots meet, the better plane will win. Now if the better plane is already on your six, all the talk about how great you and your plane are is not going to help mach
Personally, I dont think thats always the case. As a general rule the petter pilot will win. I personally have no problem giving anyone my six...in fact I tend to let guys in better planes on my six. Now obviously there has to be a method to the madness, but even with better pilots you can gain an advantage by taking them out of "their fight".
I think the mediocre pilot in the better plane is often a bigger threat since he's not going to be as aggressive. He wont kill you as often, but he'll keep you tied up till the horde arrives
-
Oh yes, you can make him overshoot...
...upto right about the point where enemy Spitfires finally catch up with you.
Not too many good La-7 pilots around, but that's never the problem. The real headbanger is that the La-7 stops you from leaving the area with your life intact if you are in something like a Hellcat.
-
Originally posted by Kweassa
Oh yes, you can make him overshoot...
...upto right about the point where enemy Spitfires finally catch up with you.
Not too many good La-7 pilots around, but that's never the problem. The real headbanger is that the La-7 stops you from leaving the area with your life intact if you are in something like a Hellcat.
That was the point I was making too Kweassa , it's OK to talk about 1-1 , but that's not the MA
The best way to beat a lala in a Hellcat is get him slow , or play reversals - sure , but where does that leave you .
Foder is looking for a plane to stay alive in - in the MA environment - Hellcat is a great plane , it's fun , but's it not the plane to fly if you don't want to die.
-
but those kinda planes are exactly the ones that make the game fun and challenging. Landing a decent amount of kills after exiting a furball in a plane that most think is not survivable in the MA does leave one with a sense of accomplishment. At least with me it does and that keeps the game interesting, as long as roll expecting to get caught and killed then one might not get as discouraged as some do when they get waxed and rant on 200 about it.
-
Originally posted by Redd
That was the point I was making too Kweassa , it's OK to talk about 1-1 , but that's not the MA
The best way to beat a lala in a Hellcat is get him slow , or play reversals - sure , but where does that leave you .
Foder is looking for a plane to stay alive in - in the MA environment - Hellcat is a great plane , it's fun , but's it not the plane to fly if you don't want to die.
Redd said it exactly, if you are even matched, your only hope is to get him slow. You can beat him slow. The risk you take is him going nose down and running... but then again you are saying he's a good stick which means hopefully he won't run like a weeny. Any good lala stick will use that speed against you, if he does this effectively you are done, but you have to make him think its a good idea to get slow with you. Try a bumper sticker that says "I brake for lala dweebs" :aok
-
But that does not make sence. If a plane is not 'survivable' in the MA and you manage to land after geting 5 kills and escaping from the furball, then it was either cherry picking or luck. By luck, I mean, eventualy you would run out of ammo, the fastest planes would catch you, the better turners would out turn you, etc. I am sure it took all the skill in the world to get those 5 kils, but getting away with it, requires a fast plane or a lot of luck.
-
Originally posted by dedalos
But that does not make sence. If a plane is not 'survivable' in the MA and you manage to land after geting 5 kills and escaping from the furball, then it was either cherry picking or luck. By luck, I mean, eventualy you would run out of ammo, the fastest planes would catch you, the better turners would out turn you, etc. I am sure it took all the skill in the world to get those 5 kils, but getting away with it, requires a fast plane or a lot of luck.
or.....SA
-
I am hanging on to every word in this thread. There is so much good stuff.
And I thank you all for staying on topic, this is very constructive stuff! :)
And basically the topic is:
F6F or other suggestions as to plane.
Survivability in a MA that is seeing more good LaLa drivers.
La7 shaking or reversal if you are caught with your pants down (which is real lousey SA to begin with)
And point taken that the F6F will not allow you to run once someone has you in a turn fight. Low and slow, usually = dead :)
-
Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
I am hanging on to every word in this thread. There is so much good stuff.
And I thank you all for staying on topic, this is very constructive stuff! :)
And basically the topic is:
F6F or other suggestions as to plane.
Survivability in a MA that is seeing more good LaLa drivers.
La7 shaking or reversal if you are caught with your pants down (which is real lousey SA to begin with)
And point taken that the F6F will not allow you to run once someone has you in a turn fight. Low and slow, usually = dead :)
If you want to fly survival style , there's only 4 choices for you (unperked)
P51
190
Typhoon
La7
Personally, if that was my thing, I'd probably go the 190 range , fly the A5 in light traffic, and the D9 in heavy traffic .
-
OK pilot(me) in hellcat without support is low on the deck with an OK pilot(me) in an La7.
La7 expects turning behavior from the Hellcat. Hellcat expects either run away behavior if the La7 wants to disengage or Climb if he wants to gain adavantage.
Hellcat best chance is to show turn but expect climb, keep enought speed that you can bring the guns to bare for a 4-500 yard shot at the climbing la7. If you can cut off his climb befor he really gets in the saddle you get him turning at slow speeds where you have the only advantages that you will get against him. I think lots of LA7s die in a way to aggressive climb out.
You cant be shy with the ammo, you have to really hurt him or he will just disengage at will.
If he is just pining you down till the spits come then go for the ho.
-
Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
The hog has a lot of things I like, such as roll rates, smooth handling up to compression, it manuevers exceptionally well at high speeds.
What I didn't like was that I had a couple of Spit5 outdive me. I mean, I am plunging down from over 10k to the deck, plane screeching and moaning, compressed so bad that it will only respond to trim controlls. I barely missed augering in. I was a 50ft, looked back, and the Spittie who started following me from 1.5K back was now D400 and still gaining.
A little while later, another Spittie (not sure which one did the same thing, only I started from 8K, and he had mabe 2K on me. I wasn't compressed, but screeching of frame stress was quite loud. He was closing fast as we hit the deck. The spittie finally got me as I tried to roll and force an overshoot.
No Non perk Spittie could touch my A8, and I always thought that the Hog was one of the premiere divers in WWII.
dude! if you quit running to the deck you'd have more luck im sure!
-
If he is determined to hold e and deny you the snap shot then you best hang on until he runs out of fuel or ammo.
Else your left with tricks.... trying to sucker him in to a close fight.
Your only advantages are your low speed stability and the spray shot.
-
Spits are very good in a dive, however once you level out they cannot retain that speed for long.
Any LA7 that stays to fight an F6F should be dead.
Co alt if an LA7 tries to disengage with a dive he will be in trouble because the F6F accelerates well in a dive and he will be in your guns range for long enough, but again once level the LA7 will run away.
-
Originally posted by Kweassa
Oh yes, you can make him overshoot...
...upto right about the point where enemy Spitfires finally catch up with you.
Not too many good La-7 pilots around, but that's never the problem. The real headbanger is that the La-7 stops you from leaving the area with your life intact if you are in something like a Hellcat.
Yup, it's never the lala that gets you. It's just the dweeb that makes you have to break and get caught by the horde following him.
-
Originally posted by Redd
Foder is looking for a plane to stay alive in - in the MA environment - Hellcat is a great plane , it's fun , but's it not the plane to fly if you don't want to die.
Somedbody needs to notify GREEBO of this right away and tell him to stop flying his hellcat around. He needs to read this thread and realize that he's supposed to die - not land 5 or 6 kills everytime he takes that thing up.......maybe the rest of us could live longer!
-
Originally posted by debuman
Somedbody needs to notify GREEBO of this right away and tell him to stop flying his hellcat around. He needs to read this thread and realize that he's supposed to die - not land 5 or 6 kills everytime he takes that thing up.......maybe the rest of us could live longer!
Greebo is a very good Hellcat pilot, he career K/D's at around 4.0
The survivalist guys (eg AKfoder) are looking for something they can K/D at least 10+ in - even more.
I don't believe he will do this in a Hellcat , you just can't always leave when you need to - it's as simple as that.
-
Originally posted by AcId
or.....SA
You can tell that to your self if you like. SA and furbal don't really mix very well. Unless you are talking about a 2 on 2. In a furbal of 10 on 10, there is no SA, unless you are flying 5K over it and you pick people off.
-
Originally posted by Pongo
OK pilot(me) in hellcat without support is low on the deck with an OK pilot(me) in an La7.
La7 expects turning behavior from the Hellcat. Hellcat expects either run away behavior if the La7 wants to disengage or Climb if he wants to gain adavantage.
Hellcat best chance is to show turn but expect climb, keep enought speed that you can bring the guns to bare for a 4-500 yard shot at the climbing la7. If you can cut off his climb befor he really gets in the saddle you get him turning at slow speeds where you have the only advantages that you will get against him. I think lots of LA7s die in a way to aggressive climb out.
You cant be shy with the ammo, you have to really hurt him or he will just disengage at will.
If he is just pining you down till the spits come then go for the ho.
Pongo, this is a situation where equal pilots meet, but the guy on your six has the better plane. What am I missing here? Why do you, and a lot of other people, think they can win this situation? Not impossible, but it would require a lot of mistakes from the bad guy. Please dont view this as an attack. I really don;t get it since if anyone with any skill gets on my six, I am dead. The whole game is to avoid having some one there.
-
Originally posted by 214thCavalier
Spits are very good in a dive, however once you level out they cannot retain that speed for long.
Any LA7 that stays to fight an F6F should be dead.
Co alt if an LA7 tries to disengage with a dive he will be in trouble because the F6F accelerates well in a dive and he will be in your guns range for long enough, but again once level the LA7 will run away.
What? Dead? Anyone ever hear of airbrakes? The LA7 can turn with alot of other planes if you use em! Sorry, an F6F is meat around an LA7.
Now you figure out what the airbrakes are :)
Tactics!!! Think tactics!
-
Originally posted by dedalos
Pongo, this is a situation where equal pilots meet, but the guy on your six has the better plane. What am I missing here? Why do you, and a lot of other people, think they can win this situation? Not impossible, but it would require a lot of mistakes from the bad guy. Please dont view this as an attack. I really don;t get it since if anyone with any skill gets on my six, I am dead. The whole game is to avoid having some one there.
Actually I dont think it matters if the con is on your 6 or in a "better" plane or both. The overriding factor is still going to be pilot skill and enviornment. The number of cons is a much greater factor since its relatively easy to reverse a single con.
-
Originally posted by humble
Actually I dont think it matters if the con is on your 6 or in a "better" plane or both. The overriding factor is still going to be pilot skill and enviornment. The number of cons is a much greater factor since its relatively easy to reverse a single con.
True, I am only talking equal skills 1 on 1. The better plane should win right? If not, then it is not the better plane. Perk the F6, lol
-
I missed that part Dedelos.
-
Basically you all know i disagree with yas. I fly that hellcat way too much.
Basically ya gotta use angles and flaps to your advantage. The Hellcat is great at low speeds IMHO. Only a few planes really give me any trouble at low alt (Spit5, A6M). Dodge the La7 and he will get impatient and end up getting into a turnfight witrh you and then he is meat on a platter.
On a side note the Hellcat is slow, except when diving. It can also hide it's E state very well which is what you want. I say keep flying the thing and use angles to your advantage.
I don't fly my hellcat very altitude wise (barely get past 7K). The thing is an animal and ya gotta be confident you can beat who your fighting and most of tyhe time you will win.
-
Originally posted by dedalos
True, I am only talking equal skills 1 on 1. The better plane should win right? If not, then it is not the better plane. Perk the F6, lol
Thats a fine line....even if pilot skill is "even" then you get into style...its not uncommon in a 1 on 1 for two good sticks to reverse each other 2 or 3 times...often it comes down to choosing your shot and taking your chance. Personally if I'm in a F6..or Ki-61, -1 hog etc...and I'm facing a "top 5" plane I want the better stick...since usually he'll be more aggressive. It's the mediocre pilot in the great plane that presents the biggest problem since he's good enough to "know" ACM...but only flies well inside the safe zone.
-
Originally posted by humble
Thats a fine line....even if pilot skill is "even" then you get into style...its not uncommon in a 1 on 1 for two good sticks to reverse each other 2 or 3 times...often it comes down to choosing your shot and taking your chance. Personally if I'm in a F6..or Ki-61, -1 hog etc...and I'm facing a "top 5" plane I want the better stick...since usually he'll be more aggressive. It's the mediocre pilot in the great plane that presents the biggest problem since he's good enough to "know" ACM...but only flies well inside the safe zone.
All this is true and they are all good points. I am not saing the F6 doe snot have a chance.
Don't forget, the lala is already on your six. All I was saing is that some people here will tell you that they have a guaranted kill on the LA7 in that situation and they go on the list all the assumptions and the things the LA pilot will do for sure, lol. If I was going to place a bet, I would place it on the LA7
-
While the Hellcat can turn very well, especially with the aid of a notch or two of flaps, it's heavy, and has poor acceleration. This means that you should try to stay fast if you are facing more than one enemy. The F6F is my second favourite plane, one down from the 38, and the two planes are very similar in that both fall between "average" and "good" in most characteristics, but hold few to no trump cards, so it's all about being aware of the strength and weaknesses of your own plane and the planes of your enemies, and applying them appropriately.
In the F6F, your strengths are:
-Above average instantaneous turn rate at all speeds
-Low stall speed and good sustained turn, especially with use of flaps and rudder
-Good dive handling and acceleration, remains controllable at very high speed
-Good zoom climb due to heavy airframe
-High durability
-Good view over the nose for gunnery
Your weaknesses are:
-Mediocre top speed
-Poor level acceleration
-Poor energy retention
-Fairly crappy roll rate at low speed
Against an LA-7 you definitely want to try to force them to slow down and fall prey to your superior stallfighting characteristics. However, against multiple opponents, the F6F will have a very hard time extricating itself from a situation where it gets low and slow, due to the bad acceleration, especially from 100 to 200 mph. So, against multiple cons or planes that can out-turn you, it's a better idea to try to take advantage of your dive and zoom climb to do what I like to call "micro-BnZ", where you perform a series of tight/steep, looping BnZ passes on people, never getting more than 4000-5000 feet above them. You can dive away from most planes, and often it's your only option for building speed, so keeping some altitude is essential.
Edit: Didn't notice the specific situation where the LA-7 is on your six. Your only option is to dump some speed and force the overshoot. Chop your throttle, pop out some flaps if possible, and pull into a rolling scissors. Hopefully you'll have a shot when he comes out the other side. The Hellcat's durability is a benefit that you really feel here, as you have a pretty good chance at surviving a few 20mm hits.
-
Originally posted by dedalos
All this is true and they are all good points. I am not saing the F6 doe snot have a chance.
Don't forget, the lala is already on your six. All I was saing is that some people here will tell you that they have a guaranted kill on the LA7 in that situation and they go on the list all the assumptions and the things the LA pilot will do for sure, lol. If I was going to place a bet, I would place it on the LA7
I agree with you there...
Especially with a lala you never have a "sure kill"...it has the power to overcome pilot idiocy:)...
I never worried about a "fair fight" in a 1 vs 1....unless its a pure bounce right after takeoff I could care less about starting positions. He's still got to get in close to kill ya...and if he's close enough to hit you ...then he's close enough for you to hit him also...
-
Ren in my opinion your opinion is wrong.
I can only recall being killed 1v1 v an LA7 once.
I do not count those where they play whack-a-mole while your already engaged.
Perhaps if you had more time in the F6F you might appreciate it more.
-
Originally posted by dedalos
You can tell that to your self if you like. SA and furbal don't really mix very well. Unless you are talking about a 2 on 2. In a furbal of 10 on 10, there is no SA, unless you are flying 5K over it and you pick people off.
Thats a subjective opinion, nothin wrong with that man, we're all entitled to our own. However, I'm not "telling myself what I like" I was just sharing my opinion and experience. You didn't come out and say it was impossible to do, I'll give ya that, but you must admit it is possible to get in the fray and exit without cherry pickin. One might not have the best chance at surviving but I'll tell you what, in a large furball you bet yer bottom my view hat is gettin hot from the friction so ya can't say there is no SA involved. One might not be able to track and anticipate all targets, and those that don't probably prioritize the list to the nearest/fastest bandits.
sorry folks.....I'm gettin slightly off topic here.....back to your regularly scheduled thread.
oh and Cav.....:rofl -Whack-a-mole- :rofl
-
Originally posted by 214thCavalier
Ren in my opinion your opinion is wrong.
I can only recall being killed 1v1 v an LA7 once.
I do not count those where they play whack-a-mole while your already engaged.
Perhaps if you had more time in the F6F you might appreciate it more.
Everyone has a right to their opinions and I respect yours. I have flown cat's before and know their characteristics. When I see a Cat I go right for em because they're so easy to kill. :D
I surely hope you continue to fly them as we'll meet one of these days "up there" and you can have yer way with me. :)
Ren
-
i cant believe what i am reading.
F6F is uber.
it does everything well / pretty well. perfect all round plane.
-
well doesn't hack it in the life and death struggles of the virtual skies over...where ever it is we're supposed to be over. :)
Ren
-
Funny when people don't like what they can't deal with.Nobody liked 109 exept for Germans..........
-
Good thread! I hope the "Perk the LA7" crowd don't read this. They may find the LA7 is not the Boogyman :)
Gunner
-
Originally posted by AcId
Thats a subjective opinion, nothin wrong with that man, we're all entitled to our own. However, I'm not "telling myself what I like" I was just sharing my opinion and experience. You didn't come out and say it was impossible to do, I'll give ya that, but you must admit it is possible to get in the fray and exit without cherry pickin. One might not have the best chance at surviving but I'll tell you what, in a large furball you bet yer bottom my view hat is gettin hot from the friction so ya can't say there is no SA involved. One might not be able to track and anticipate all targets, and those that don't probably prioritize the list to the nearest/fastest bandits.
sorry folks.....I'm gettin slightly off topic here.....back to your regularly scheduled thread.
oh and Cav.....:rofl -Whack-a-mole- :rofl
All its true. I thought you were one of those guys that claim their superior ACM and SA can get them in and out a furbal alive. Sure good SA will keep you alive longer and once in a while you will get out of it with 10 kills. For the most part though, there is only so mach you can track. Everyone is different but every one has their limit.
-
Originally posted by ATA
Funny when people don't like what they can't deal with.Nobody liked 109 exept for Germans..........
Didn't Goring berate his pilots for not taking control of the English sky's? Then he said, "enuff with the scolding, how can I help you"? His pilots responded, "give us a squadron of Spitfires".
Sounds like the Germans didn't like em either :)
Ren
-
F6F PWNS LA7!:D
-
Didn't Goring berate his pilots for not taking control of the English sky's? Then he said, "enuff with the scolding, how can I help you"? His pilots responded, "give us a squadron of Spitfires".
Sounds like the Germans didn't like em either
That's usually what happens when you read something and then remember only the part you personally like. The three people in that conversation was Moelders, Goering, and Galland. None of them said any of that.
-
All u dummy's stop doing the 190 vulch and run and similar offenses and I will never fly a la7 again..that being said i look forward to a long career of chasing down the aforementioned said offenders :)
-
>>but it seems the LA7 pilots as a whole are getting a lot better.
...I think what you're seeing is the better pilots turning away from their regular rides more often and resorting to flying the lalas themselves due to frustration.
Regards,
Oddball
-
I'll say it again... the F6F sucks... no one should fly it.... ever.....
-
Originally posted by Wadke
F6F PWNS LA7!:D
Peeee Phortay PWNS @LL!
pfffffft Wadke
:D
-
Originally posted by mechanic
i got told never to listen to stang!
he says nasty things about eastern europeans past mistakes!!!
kill him!
omg!!1
?
But yeah, don't listen to me hehe
-
sorry, what you talking about? :cool:
-
Uh, what were you talking about?
hehe
-
some rubbish from the o'club.
someone didnt like your humour... :)
dont know where you got that quote from, i never posted that...:cool:
-
Oh that... yeah came home drunk the other night and fired a shot at the habitual Israel bashers in the O'club. Bad form, but so is the crap most of them spew every day.
-
well, i still aint gunna listen to you untill you can whoop me in DA on your touchpad ya hear me?
-
That might not be able to happen this cpu really doesn't like to run AH anymore :(
-
Originally posted by Stang
That might not be able to happen this cpu really doesn't like to run AH anymore :(
yey!
-
Just for that I'm gonna fix this pos laptop and pwn you every day in the MA from here to eternity.
:D
-
Originally posted by Stang
Just for that I'm gonna fix this pos laptop and pwn you every day in the MA from here to eternity.
:D
boo
-
Hah!
:p
-
BUT!
if i was in an la7 and you an f6f, how would you pwn me oh great one?
(ah, the circles that we find in the windmills of our minds)
-
all i gotta do is up something faster than a pee 40 and then i will be a l33t runner awayer!! I will be a 190D-9 experten!!!1!!
-
Hard to shoot something when you're running from it hehe
:eek:
-
oi! you posted the exact same time as me so i now call 'JYNX!!!'
you cant talk untill someone says your name.
NObody say furball's name ok?
doh!
-
Furball!!!!
:lol
-
Originally posted by Stang
Furball!!!!
:lol
hi