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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Lazerus on March 02, 2005, 02:18:48 PM
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Just got a chuckle out of this (http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200503/CUL20050302a.html) and thought I'd share.
Enjoy:D
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Heh that's almost like the Simpons episode where the ghost of Billy the Kid convinced everyone in Springfield to destroy thier arms.
Just so he would be the only one with guns. :D
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Press reports said Stevens did not have the ID card required of Illinois firearms owners.
You need to get a special ID card just to own a firearm in Illinois? WTF?
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SOB,
What do you expect from the state where a mayor can sign an agreement to maintain an airport, then order his city crews to tear up the runways in the middle of the night and then claim the airport is abandoned?
Big Al Capone would be proud.....
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Originally posted by Maverick
SOB,
What do you expect from the state where a mayor can sign an agreement to maintain an airport, then order his city crews to tear up the runways in the middle of the night and then claim the airport is abandoned?
Big Al Capone would be proud.....
so true, here in st pete we have a downtown water front airport, the developers have been trying to close it for more than 30 years so they can build their billion dollar condos.
mmmm, can you say prime water front land.
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she didn't know what to do with it, so she put it in a drawer.
How dumb can you be? Not only does she illegally possess a firearm, she stores in inappropriately as well. Whats the bet there was one in the chamber?
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Originally posted by john9001
so true, here in st pete we have a downtown water front airport, the developers have been trying to close it for more than 30 years so they can build their billion dollar condos.
mmmm, can you say prime water front land.
That's kinda sad. I lived in Tampa for 10 years and didn't even know there was an airport in St. Pete... always flew out of TIA
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You need to get a special ID card just to own a firearm in Illinois? WTF?
Yep. A FOID card. Plus, a 1-day waiting period for long guns, 3 day for pistols, limit on pistols per month. You don't register the guns but you do have to have a card on hand if you have a gun. Bunch of transport conditions to follow. Few upstate rifle ranges because of available land and the general discouragement and really crappy gun stores where milsurps are concerned (but not really related to the laws). Can't ship a firearm to another person or dealer without a FFl. Can't get ammo in Cook County without a FOID card and most internet sites wont ship to Cook County.
Then, in Cook County (where Chicago is) there are a bunch of additional regulations, and even more for Chicago itself. I live in Cook County and It's hard to keep all this crap straight, even with work to dig up the requirements. I mean, I think what I posted above is fact, but I would have to research it more to be absolutely sure exactly where, when and how they apply. You can't even buy a gun safe at a Cook County Wally Mart or SportFart because they avoid anything gun with a 10 foot pole.
FWIW, Daley has done a decent job keeping Chicago from becoming another rust belt casualty. But, on guns and Meigs Field he is a total ass. I usually vote Republican in the state (when they aren't under indictment) to counter the Daley Democrats (when they aren't under indictment), but frankly the Republican Soccer moms and their suburban middle manager Republican husbands hate guns too, so you can't exactly count on upstate local Republicans either.
Charon
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The FOID isnt really that big a deal. At least it never used to be, but then N. Illinois is a whole different world than the southern half. You could go to any Notary Public and get your card, they took a picture and sent the form to the State Police for a background check. A nice laminated card would come in the mail in about a week. Once you had that, it was easier to buy guns in Illinois than most other states. All you had to do was show the ID and buy what you wanted. In Missouri you have to get permission from the Sherrifs dept to buy a handgun, and you not only have to tell them what you are going to buy before they will give you a permit to buy one, you have to tell them SPECIFICALLY which gun you are buying. The only place I ever lived where it was easier to buy guns than Illinois was Kentucky (just need a Drivers License there).
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eh, in NJ we have to have an ID to own and purchase, etc... Need a ID permit for pistol (seperate ID btw). I have over 20 firearms of different kinds, Special kinds made specifically for Deer Hunting and small game, and some types of firearms for collecting as displays. All are secured safely, in my gun safe's and gun cabinets.
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Originally posted by AirWölf
eh, in NJ we have to have an ID to own and purchase, etc... Need a ID permit for pistol (seperate ID btw). I have over 20 firearms of different kinds, Special kinds made specifically for Deer Hunting and small game, and some types of firearms for collecting as displays. All are secured safely, in my gun safe's and gun cabinets.
Expecting worms?
(http://www.filmcritic.com/misc/mepics.nsf/view/gross1/$File/gross1.gif)
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It drips with sweet, sweet irony.
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It drips with sweet, sweet irony.
sure does..now the question is....how many more anti gun people realy carry or have a firearm?specialy a illegal one..good god the irony of it all..lol
here in washington its a 15day wait for a hand gun or regular.unless you buy from a private collection..then you can get it right away..i shoot alot of black powder too..good thing about them is the goverment dont consider them a real firearm..they consider it alot like a bow..so a repo colt 44 dragoon 6 shot i got,,was handed too me with out id with out back ground checks..i guess you have have them deliverd threw the mail:)
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"Police reportedly found the gun and illegal drugs while executing a search warrant at Stevens' home in connection with a spate of drive-by shootings in the area."
yeah she is a real good gun control advocate, y she is having her house raided for drive bys and drugs. lol
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Originally posted by Raider179
"Police reportedly found the gun and illegal drugs while executing a search warrant at Stevens' home in connection with a spate of drive-by shootings in the area."
yeah she is a real good gun control advocate, y she is having her house raided for drive bys and drugs. lol
I was thinking the same thing. ALot of shootings/crime is related to drugs or gang violence wich is usually related to drugs.
If she's buying or using Illegal drugs she is contributing to what probably (and I'm guessing here) her son's death.
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I think its apparent she wasn't a gun control advocate but a media potato. And she's not unique. I mean why not be a media potato - they can reinvent you in 60 seconds.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
I think its apparent she wasn't a gun control advocate but a media potato. And she's not unique.
In addition I think she blaimed the gun for her son's death and not the problem...hence she was blind to it.
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I think you guys would be surprised at the number of people who own guns and won't admit it to most of their friends. I have cleaned/fixed/bought ammo for a lot of guns that the owneres told me "don't tell anyone I have this".
Best part was here saying she found the gun and didn't know what to do with it so put it in a drawer... this after the MM people were telling everyone to turn in their guns to the police.
lazs
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If it's true many gun-control folks don't know anything about guns, then I could understand her not knowing what to do with the gun. Of course that argument is cutting her a lot of slack.
She may have been afraid to call the Police to come over and pick it up. Especially with it being illegal and all. She mighta thought she would be in for a rough time
The Police searched her house on an unrelated investigation involving guns. And they found that one. She was stupid to hold onto the gun for sure.
Serial numbers cannot be erased from a firearm. There will always be an imprint deep in the metal that a microscope can see. If she was in a lifestyle involving drugs and drive-bys, even if the gangsters lived across the street and she had nothing to do with it, it may have behooved her to be careful about calling Police.
You would think, being a high profile gun control advocate and activist. the woman would have been able to figure out a way to turn the illegal weapon in with the help of friends. If the neighborhood was rough, and the bad guys found out, she may have been next on the drive-by roster possibly.
Just a thought.
Les
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sorry lesli8e... won't hold up. The million mom people are allways telling people to turn in guns to the police. She kept it cause she wanted it. She doesn't want you to have one tho.
lazs
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Originally posted by Leslie
If it's true many gun-control folks don't know anything about guns, then I could understand her not knowing what to do with the gun. Of course that argument is cutting her a lot of slack.
Les
But that entire sentence proves that her and other's stance (against guns) is in fact flawed. They will bad mouth the NRA and other 2nd amendment rights organizations for oposing them but if they'd taken a second to educate themselves they would know THROUGH GUN EDUCATION the best thing to do was to turn it in.
Carlessness through ignorance has killed alot of people (inclucing children) when it comes to fire arms.
I see it like this and I know its a lot of ifs but here goes:
MAYBE her son would still be alive today if the previous owner of the gun that was used to kill him locked it up properly. By following the same example she's allowing THAT gun to get stolen and be used to kill someone elses son.
This goes to show that banning guns does not work and she is just adding to this cycle.
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She is just a hypocrite, kinda like Rosie
shamus
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Originally posted by SOB
You need to get a special ID card just to own a firearm in Illinois? WTF?
You do here in Massachusetts. In order to get that permit you have to take at least one class (at your expense), submit the permit request and fee, then it's at the whim of the police chief as to whether or not you get one.
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we have to pass a basic firearm test in California to buy a gun.. Anyone who fails probly shouldn't own a gun.... hell... they shouldn't have been allowed to drive over or use hand tools..
lazs
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Ah, here we go. I was looking for this thread - the March gun thread. :lol
Wow, was just reading the above, particularly Charon's post about Cook County, as I lived/worked there for about a year (lived in Mt. Prospect, worked for clients in Cicero, Schaumburg, and downtown). What a surprise to see that many Americans don't like guns! :eek: I thought that guns formed the yardstick of "freedom", and separated the free world from the rest of the world, and places like Europe languising in the shackles of "socialism". Who would have thought it - guns are a pariah in Cook County.
I'd love to join in this thread, which has all the ingredients of a 5-page slugfest. However, a period of toodle-pippage is imminent, and I shall be away in France. It's that seafood weekend. ;) So have fun, and save some of this thread for when I get back!
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people who live in cook county are not Americans beetle.
lazs
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Why? Because of being city people?
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Originally posted by john9001
so true, here in st pete we have a downtown water front airport, the developers have been trying to close it for more than 30 years so they can build their billion dollar condos.
mmmm, can you say prime water front land.
Hey there John, I've flown into Albert Whitted field many a time... I'd hate to see that airport get torn down. Used to love buzzing the Pier on my way out of there... LOL
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Originally posted by beet1e
Ah, here we go. I was looking for this thread - the March gun thread. :lol
Wow, was just reading the above, particularly Charon's post about Cook County, as I lived/worked there for about a year (lived in Mt. Prospect, worked for clients in Cicero, Schaumburg, and downtown). What a surprise to see that many Americans don't like guns! :eek: I thought that guns formed the yardstick of "freedom", and separated the free world from the rest of the world, and places like Europe languising in the shackles of "socialism". Who would have thought it - guns are a pariah in Cook County.
I'd love to join in this thread, which has all the ingredients of a 5-page slugfest. However, a period of toodle-pippage is imminent, and I shall be away in France. It's that seafood weekend. ;) So have fun, and save some of this thread for when I get back!
France? Been there once and didn't like it. People were snobby and didn't carry guns :-)
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Wow, was just reading the above, particularly Charon's post about Cook County, as I lived/worked there for about a year (lived in Mt. Prospect, worked for clients in Cicero, Schaumburg, and downtown). What a surprise to see that many Americans don't like guns! I thought that guns formed the yardstick of "freedom", and separated the free world from the rest of the world, and places like Europe languising in the shackles of "socialism". Who would have thought it - guns are a pariah in Cook County.
Da Mayor like to blame inner city crime on the guns instead of inner city poverty and inadequate policing in high crime areas. As long as can blame guns and get some buy in he doesn't have to do much about the real problems. As for the suburbs themselves, they don’t really face much gun-related crime with or without the regulatory quirks you have in Cook County. This is particularly the case in most of the areas where you get the strongest support and effort for these bills. It’s kind of a feel good thing, not base on personal experience or fear, for that matter. Most neither fear guns or have guns and it's a real casual thing to be for or against. If, by chance, you tied SUV regulation (can be dangerous, harmful to the environement, supports Middle East terror, unpopular in some circles - popular in others) to any of the gun bills I imagine you would see support evaporate overnight.
Charon