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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Goth on March 02, 2005, 09:50:42 PM
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For the love of God...perk the La7. I am sick to death of those running weenies. I literally spent all night chasing Lamer7 piluts. Even a 3 pt perk would make some of these timid boys not fly it and leave it to the fighting pilots who do.
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It does seem to be getting worse. Seems like lots more fly it now to just stay on equal ground in the MA. 3 sounds good but I would prefer 5-10, but heck even 1 would make me happier.
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As far as your runners go Goth... It's very simple really.
New game (AH2)+advertising push = more Newbies
More Newbies (Growing Game/Player base) = more inexperienced pilots... which ='s more running.
Running is only a very small part of it.
All of the above means more of alot of thing's. The thing's we all did when we were new.
What can you do?
A few things...
Ignore it and play your game.
Talk to these players and try to help them.
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I'm tired of the whining about it. Sheesh.
Cut the LGays back and the next fastest ride becomes the one to whine about.
Learn to deal with it. You know you can't catch 'em, so DON'T for Cod's sake :)
culero (its like watching dogs chase cars while barking like mad)
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It's only simple when you choose to see it that way.
Basically, the whole idea that the fast rides are unperked as a 'service to newbies' is total forgery. Newbies aren't strange, uneducated, and brainless socio-paths. They are just simply another group of gamers without any kind of real knowledge as to what is required to do well in that particular game.
Like any other thing, newbies come into the game without any kind of bias towards what planes should be free or not. They don't have this kind of special preference because they simply do not know enough about the game to think which should be free and which not.
The first thing newbies do in any kind of aircombat sim games is to learn to accept continuous deaths and try to do the best with what they are given. They don't particularly care about what is given to them because they don't know why that particular choice is good. It is only after they have gotten used to a certain pattern of flying and leave the 'newbie' status, that they finally get an idea of why their favorite rides are usually the most powerful MA rides.
In other words, whatever plane is given to them, the first steps of flying is always hard, and whether that newbie quits the game or not is usually totally dependant on one's own mental state rather than what the system offers to him.
If some newbie, despite acknowledging the fact that the learning curve is so severely high in this game genre, still decides that he likes flying and fighting in vintage aircraft, he is gonna stay regardless of whether the 'super rides' are perked or not.
If that newbie thinks that flying isn't much fun, and he doesn't like the fact that he may have to spend years to become 'good', he's gonna quit even if we gave him 262s and 163s for free.
Besides, even if that kind of analogy is true, it still doesn't explain why the only some of those 'easy to fight' or 'easy to run away' planes remain perked, while the rest of them remain totally free. If offering planes that are good for running, fighting, or running AND fighting, was that much important, then there's no reason that particularly the Tempest, F4U-4, Spit14, Ta152H and such are perked, while P-51s and La-7s are not.
If giving super planes to n00bs for free was so important, why's the Spit14 perked in the first place?
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UNPERK the CHOG
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Originally posted by Goth
For the love of God...perk the La7. I am sick to death of those running weenies. I literally spent all night chasing Lamer7 piluts. Even a 3 pt perk would make some of these timid boys not fly it and leave it to the fighting pilots who do.
so grab a temp/f4u-4/109d9/p-51/tiff/109g10 or even.... an la7, run them down and show them your l33t skillz.
surely you can afford a perk ride?
people learn by mimicking... an arena full of timidity only begets more timidity. there's only so much a minority can do to turn the tide the other way.
you see, an la7 is a perfectly adequate plane to have all sorts of fights in, i said "fights"... there's no reason for anyone in an la7 to run... they only run because... hmmmmm?
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Let's talk some points here guys:
The La has a small profile like the 109...hard to kill a dead six shot at 400+...and lately that's all I get because they run. Holds energy like the General Lee running from Rosco P Coltraine. Rolls like a Tilt O Wheel at a state fair. 3 cannon setup providing nice kills when it hits with 2-3 rounds. Great visibility. Convenient compression nose up attitude. Good all around cockpit visibility.
Top speed non perked plane right now. Perk it and your choice becomes Tiffie, Stang, Dora, g10.----
Tiffie...hizookas, good accel, tight instant turner, but it does not hold the energy in a turn like that La7 thing. Sure...Tiffie may be the next plane of choice, but it has a quick fuel burn like the La, and if you turn energy bleeds off and it loses that speed edge. I bet if you perk the La this would tie the Stang for the most used plane because of HO potential and speed. Rolls like Star Jones after a night at red Lobster. Compression locks plane up and if you pull too hard you run the risk of ripping parts.
Stang...6 .50's not as lethal as those 3 cannon. Doesn't accelerate at the drop of a dime. Can turn well when using flaps, but oops, there goes your energy. Dives great, good zoom, requires more than 3 brain cells as opposed to the La7 to fly into a furball. Can have a bad stall if you're not careful.
Dora....can be a nasty plane in the right hands. The round tranjectory however is this planes greatest weakness. You need a cone shaped plane the size of a B29 to hit effectively 400+. Can get you quickly into trouble if you think you can turn in a furball. Oh yeah...endless wep is nice.
g10....Fast...fast fast fast and a great climber. Bullet trajectory is bad bad bad. Roll rate blows monkey chunks and this bird can compress quickly with its high performance engine. Did I mention cockpit visibility?
There are many other traits and comparisons that can be made, however I think the top 4 behind the La7 have enough weaknesses to compensate for a perked La7. Hell...maybe the former La7 pilots will gravitate towards the yak. I don't think HT will address this issue, too many people fly the La7.
Btw...I'm tired of whining about it too. It seems to be nightly I get ticked at some La7 pilot...not because he gave me a good fight, but because he zoomed past me to go vulch the field behind me. I've said it before, if you're going to fly a fighter...fight, don't run.
Besides...grandma's fly La7's :p
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Hell perk the LA7, 190D9 and the Pony.
After all if a LA7 has the same ENY value as a 262 it should be perked.
Pony is ENY 6 so that also.
Include the D9.
How HT can justify perking the CHog and Spit 14 is way beyond my comprehension.
Let analyse the reason commonly trotted out for perking -
To prevent overusage - OK, LA7,D9 and Pony definately fall into that category.
What amazes me is that they have the gall to perk a relatively mediocre plane by MA standards, the Spit 14 and leave the above 3 untouched. Mediocre as regards speed low down, but as thats where most of the fights are now, its a valid point.
Will never happen though, despite how fugged up the perk system is the powers that be have never ever commented on any thread regarding perking.
It falls on deaf ears.
quote - so grab a temp/f4u-4/109d9/p-51/tiff/109g10 or even.... an la7 -
Yup how? if hes already running? By the time you up he's well gone. Or yeah grab a Tempest and have half the sector on your arse low level as you try to catch him.
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Originally posted by Shane
so grab a temp/f4u-4/109d9/p-51/tiff/109g10 or even.... an la7, run them down and show them your l33t skillz.
surely you can afford a perk ride?
people learn by mimicking... an arena full of timidity only begets more timidity. there's only so much a minority can do to turn the tide the other way.
you see, an la7 is a perfectly adequate plane to have all sorts of fights in, i said "fights"... there's no reason for anyone in an la7 to run... they only run because... hmmmmm?
Yeah...I can afford lotsa perk plane rides to get face shot in.
And Shane...I don't have a problem when you're not a rook and you shoot me down in a La7 because you fight .
It's funny some of the countrywide messages. "Hello, I'm new to the game, what's the best plane." Everyone inevitably answers la7.
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i see more FW's that La7's go zooming past to make a one-pass vulchicide run.
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The two questions I see the most are-
Whats the best plane - most reply Spit9 or 5 for a newb.
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Whats the fastest plane - invariably met with LA7
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THE CURE:
Grab a zeke. Most Lghey7 pile-its will stick around to fight u. Problem is, once they get into a turnfight with you most will have lost too much E (cept shane) to run quick enough. Purrrrrrrrfect opportunity for a good dead 6 shot (if ya haven't allready hit them in a snap :D ).
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BTW! Shane, do you still have that film of me and Spacer tanglin with ya?
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Be thankful that a larger portion of the newbies are flying spitfires... planes that you can catch. I fly Ki-84's mainly, and guess what I do when an LA7 runs from me? I let him go and hope he quickly comes back for my 6. If he does, there are any number of ways for me to kill him. If he doesn't, that's fine... there are plenty of spits for me to run down.
The only thing about the LA7 that needs to be perked is the 3 gun option (3 gun LA7 was probably about as rare as the 152 :p)... the 2 gun LA7 is fine by me. There will always be a plane faster than everything else. Just be thankful that most runners are in LA7's, a plane that newbs know can actually dogfight. Perk the La7, and the dora becomes the fastest plane (well... it's like 2 mph faster than the LA7 when you wep.. or at least it was when I was a newbie dora runner). And guess what? Newbs will quickly learn that the dora is, by and large, completely incapable of dogfighting, and will be even MORE timid than LA7's are now. The dora can E fight reasonable well, but most newbs are incapable of E fighting, and the 109's are better for that anyway.
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Originally posted by Scrap
THE CURE:
Grab a zeke. Most Lghey7 pile-its will stick around to fight u. Problem is, once they get into a turnfight with you most will have lost too much E (cept shane) to run quick enough. Purrrrrrrrfect opportunity for a good dead 6 shot (if ya haven't allready hit them in a snap :D ).
The heck with a Zeke, grab an IL-2, climb to 15k and go find a fight. That damn IL-2 will do 480+ in a dive and not compress. And, those 23mm cannon will shred anything. I'm just not sure if those wings were swept back before or after the dive....
My regards,
Widewing
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Witout a lot of wishy washy jibber jabber in answer to the original post intention.................... ............................. ....................
I agree!!!!!! Perk the LAdweeb7!!!!!
It's only right:D
Seems rediculous that the Chog is perked and not the lala. :confused:
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And now a pause for station identification.
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Originally posted by Scrap
BTW! Shane, do you still have that film of me and Spacer tanglin with ya?
probably... the one in the MA? will have to look for it if you can recall an approximate date, it'd be helpful.
i also did delete allllllll my films the other day (about 15 folders @80-100 each) but kept films from about a week ago and onwards.
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When y'all say pony do y'all mean both ponies or just the Delta?
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Originally posted by Shane
i see more FW's that La7's go zooming past to make a one-pass vulchicide run.
Thats because all the friggin La7 drivers dont get any alt. They tend to stay on the deck. Like someone is gonna turnfight an lgay on the deck in a 190.
I would even go as far as to say perk all the late war rides and maybe give newbs a few perks to mess with. Might make the arena a little more fun when its not 5 la7s and 3 spits coming to ho 1 plane.
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Morpheus - excuse me for butting in here. ;)
I found it frustrating to have to deal with the same 3-4 types of aircraft hour after hour. The fact that so many folks flew the same 3 planes and ignored the other 67 made me realise that these folks have no interest in what WW2 warfare was about. They just want an arcade shoot-em-up, and the best possible platform from which to achieve it.
It saddens me to see that there is so little interest left in WW2 amongst those who play this game. But that is the cross that I believe HTC must bear by opting for a flat rate pricing plan. It's no longer good enough to have say 500 dedicated guys all paying $2/hr and running up monthly bills of $100/$200/$400 or even more. With a flat rate pricing policy, HTC has to go for every single customer it can get. Unfortunately it's a fact of life that when a game is made available to s**m**s, then s**m***s is what we'll get. A game that costs only 50 cents a day will inevitably attract a younger element - hence the need for all the language/profanity filtering. For me, the problem with the younger element was two-fold. Besides just wanting a shoot-em-up, they are too young to remember the relevance of WW2. As a post-war baby-boomer, it was my parents' generation that fought in the war. But for the LA7 noobs being complained about here, it was their grandparents or even their great-grandparents that were in the war. For them, WW2 is about as significant as the Crimean War is to me. :(
What's the latest on the ENY balancer? Didn't that take care of the excess uberplanes? Or was it whined out of the game? :rolleyes::lol
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bahhh the "they are noobs, so they fly it" pfft
first plane i flew was a P47-D40. i saw 8x50 cals and all those rounds, started to drool.
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first time i played was in a spit1, i saw the 8xbrownings and also drooled.
took me many deaths to figure that 2 cannons beats 8x brownings easily.
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It's a good thing that I can't search the score boards by plane and post pilot names of those who fly the La7 on a regular basis...what a "Wall of Shame" that would be.
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Originally posted by Goth
For the love of God...perk the La7. I am sick to death of those running weenies. I literally spent all night chasing Lamer7 piluts. Even a 3 pt perk would make some of these timid boys not fly it and leave it to the fighting pilots who do.
::sigh:: As anyone who has owned a dog will tell you.
Never chase after it.
Remember this saying.
"Pet comes to Master, Master doesnt chase pet"
Turn away. He'll come back.
Just remember to keep half an eye on him.
Then when he comes back.
Spank his overconfident little arse
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Originally posted by Goth
For the love of God...perk the La7. I am sick to death of those running weenies.
The name Runstangs, I believe was coined back in the AW days.
Same complaints, somethings never change.....
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Ohhhhhhhh, another 'perk the ###' thread!!!
Just fly Hurricane for a tour. Youll stop relying on speed to get kills. And you learn not to start a futile chase. Hell, even bombers can run from a Hurri. That doesnt mean you cant get and land kills in it - turning *and* BnZ.
Eventually, they turn around. If they dont, just look for something else to kill.
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Originally posted by Goth
For the love of God...perk the La7. I am sick to death of those running weenies. I literally spent all night chasing Lamer7 piluts. Even a 3 pt perk would make some of these timid boys not fly it and leave it to the fighting pilots who do.
Yeah ... perk it ... thats the answer ... that will stop them from running immediately.
Think about it .... they run now without any cost to them ... perk it and what makes you think that they won't run even more when they have something to lose ?
I think that one should have to spend 100 perks to write a post whining about the La-7.
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Originally posted by Goth
It's a good thing that I can't search the score boards by plane and post pilot names of those who fly the La7 on a regular basis...what a "Wall of Shame" that would be.
I fly em and I have no qualms about fighting anything that comes at me. Then again being a dweeb I fly just about anything there is. So please add my name to the wall of shame!
If you can't spell I'll help.... it's R E N
or you can spell it as D A M N E D R E N
And anytime you see me be sure to say hi!
Lessee, I think I need to fly a Spit V tonight...maybe a Zero! Naw, I'm kinda partial to SPIT 9S's!!! Wait! How about a Pony? Yak? Forky? Hog? Jug? Darn...I just can't seem to make up my mind. I'm such a dweeb.
Maybe all planes should be perked so you have to learn to fly them before you can fly them. Hmmmm....catch-22? Did I say I was Damned....guess I am!
Honest suggestion...learn to deal with LA-7's. I have just as much fun shooting them down as flying them.
If people spent as much time learning to fly as they do whining about perkies they might become great sticks!
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Damned Ren , Ren, Dweeb...
:rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rofl
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Heh, want to make the newbs sweat for a night??? Lets make announce
a LA-7 night where we only use the LA-7 for the evening.
It really surprised me last night. I was up in a Pony doing bomber escort and fell behind the pack. I had a high 38 at my 12 and a co-alt LA-7 at my 3. I dove down to do a nose up merge on the 38, he dove past me and went for the deck (we started at about 19k) I wasnt watching the LA-7 at the time of the merge and was extremely surprised it was running away with the 38 and I never engaged the LA-7 to cause him to run! Dont think they were heavy cause they were no where near any of our bases..we were deap in NME territory
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Ah, the lala problem. It can run if it wants to. And a lot of people will chace. Text buff looks something like this: "muahahaha LGAY wheeny run monkie no skill dweeb, come back and fight"
And then, oh my god. What is he doing? He is turning around? Oh chit, where are all my friends? I chaced it too far out of my safety bubble.
Text buff looks something like this: "Wellcome to the tower. NO skill dweeb just killed you in a gay plane"
Get it? The lala will fight and kill you if you chace him out of range of other friendlies. The 190s will keep going so that you can continue talking on 200. Thats the problem with them. Besides, perking them will make them run more often.
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I think his idea was to perk them to try and reduce usage, after all isn't that the reason planes are perked in the 1st place?
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If you can fly it (have the points) and you want to....then do it! That's why its there. Perked or not.
Why would you wanna listen to some guy telling you not to fly an LA-7? Maybe cause he's afraid of them? They are a threat? That's his problem. Not yours. Look at the hanger list of planes. Chose what ya want and fly it!
Ya'll really gotta get over this perkie thing. :)
LOL
Ren
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Truely Ren if you had an inkling of me you would not have suggested I am afraid of the La. If your idea of fun is to fly a La7 and run from fights then you're getting your money's worth. I'll deal like I have the past few years I've been flying AH.
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The perk system is the biggest joke in AH.
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u know, hearing all these complaints about the LA7 are good. It means things are back to normal in the Aces High world.
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Goth,
Same here. I have no fear of fighting in anything while in an LA7 nor do I run. I also have no fear of fighting an LA7 when Im in any other plane.
And if you feel the same way why are you whining about perks? What difference does it make what's perked and what's not? The only folks it effects are those that need training and newbys who don't have the perks. Wait a minute, they may not have the perks cause they need training too! Never mind.
It's a game. If the plane is perked and you got points and wanna fly it then do so. If its not perked and you wanna fly it then do so.
If a guy likes to run thats ok with me. There's alot of enemy planes around to shoot at so some guy that doesn't want to fight and runs away then that's nice. He aint gonna hurt me by showing me his tail.
Sounds to me like yer frustrated cause some dude just didn't wanna fight you on your terms. Get over it.
Ren
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Perk also the D9,Spit V,P51D ...
What ... you won't be able to fly ?
Because you can't kill a LA7 is not a reason good enought to ask for perking a plane.
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is the la7 being an annoy little siht, reason to perk it?
i would perk it 3 points... just enough to stop the endless whining about perking it..
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One day, Hitech will agree that the LA7 whine "needs to be put on the other side of the fence". ;)
All I can say is that if the LA7 is not to be perked, then the F4U-1C should be unperked. But if the F4U-1C is to remain perked, the LA7 should be perked - and for the same reasons, plus a few others.
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Goth,
Same here. I have no fear of fighting in anything while in an LA7 nor do I run. I also have no fear of fighting an LA7 when Im in any other plane.
And if you feel the same way why are you whining about perks? What difference does it make what's perked and what's not? The only folks it effects are those that need training and newbys who don't have the perks. Wait a minute, they may not have the perks cause they need training too! Never mind.
It's a game. If the plane is perked and you got points and wanna fly it then do so. If its not perked and you wanna fly it then do so.
If a guy likes to run thats ok with me. There's alot of enemy planes around to shoot at so some guy that doesn't want to fight and runs away then that's nice. He aint gonna hurt me by showing me his tail.
Sounds to me like yer frustrated cause some dude just didn't wanna fight you on your terms. Get over it.
Ren
I am frustrated...it's not one isolated incident, but the compounding factors of many. If you read my initial post you will see that I just want them to fight instead of running...constantly running.....running running running......it's all I see them do.
Like someone else posted earlier, I've seen my share of La's above 12k. I start to drool. The majority of La7 pilots think it has the same characteristics at 12k that it does at 8k.....
I don't even have a problem with those that use it on the deck to fight. What I object to is the fact that it can nose down 500', gain full speed on the deck, pull a hard nose up reversal and it's still going 380. Unless you're in another La7, you can't turn and stay up with it. These days too many are dependent upon it's ability to retain energy, but instead of using those advantages, all they do is run. GAH!.....thinking about it has me frustrated......where's my nerve pills?
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Originally posted by Goth
What I object to is the fact that it can nose down 500', gain full speed on the deck, pull a hard nose up reversal and it's still going 380. Unless you're in another La7, you can't turn and stay up with it. These days too many are dependent upon it's ability to retain energy, but instead of using those advantages, all they do is run. GAH!.....thinking about it has me frustrated......where's my nerve pills?
Reversal and running in the same sentance? What did I miss here? Are you asking the lala to turn with lets say the spitV 600 on its tail? He might as well bail out. instead of using the planes straingth which is, yes, speed and exceleration?
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Originally posted by dedalos
Reversal and running in the same sentance? What did I miss here? Are you asking the lala to turn with lets say the spitV 600 on its tail? He might as well bail out. instead of using the planes straingth which is, yes, speed and exceleration?
Getting tired of defending my words....Suffice it to say that last night I dove on a La7, got 400 off his 6. Yes, I don't blame him for high tailing it..I have and would as well. Fact is, he ran....straight towards an nme base. At 2.0 distance from me he revved to go back to friendly airspace. At that time he had ample opportunity to engage as we were alone. Instead, he ran. Maybe he was out of ammo...maybe he was short on gas....I don't know. So, I continued on home to friendly base shaking my head wondering what the point of it all was. Why fly it if you're not going to use it....it was called a fighter for a reason.
I do know that a lot of people flying the La7 are not using any abilities other than its running capabilities. I can see that a lot of people in the game, and perhaps HT too, will not see eye to eye with me on this issue. Maybe I'm just SO far off base with my thinking no one will agree with me about the La7. I do know that's not the case as I am not the only one to have raised this issue.
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Originally posted by beet1e
One day, Hitech will agree that the LA7 whine "needs to be put on the other side of the fence". ;)
All I can say is that if the LA7 is not to be perked, then the F4U-1C should be unperked. But if the F4U-1C is to remain perked, the LA7 should be perked - and for the same reasons, plus a few others.
Exactly, HT needs to decide exactly why a plane is perked because at the moment it seems to be just random.
Perk the CHog, Spit14, don't perk LA7 etc.
Just seems to be a total clusterflob.
Seem to remeber the Chog was perked to reduce its usage? In which case wouldn't the Lala, Pony and 190D9 fall into this category? Or was that just the excuse to perk it?
I think all most people want is consistency in the perk system, not the current mess.
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Originally posted by Goth
Getting tired of defending my words....
Don't. There is no need to
engage as we were alone. Instead, he ran. Maybe he was out of ammo...maybe he was short on gas....I don't know. So, I continued on home to friendly base shaking my head wondering what the point of it all was. Why fly it if you're not going to use it....it was called a fighter for a reason.
You kind of answered that for me
I do know that a lot of people flying the La7 are not using any abilities other than its running capabilities. I can see that a lot of people in the game, and perhaps HT too, will not see eye to eye with me on this issue. Maybe I'm just SO far off base with my thinking no one will agree with me about the La7. I do know that's not the case as I am not the only one to have raised this issue.
No one is arguing that some people use the lala to run. However, the same behavior or worst can be seen by 190s, 51s, G10s even F4Us, P47s, TIFFYs etc. I have videos of me trying to run dow a spitV. Anything will run if thats what the pilot wants. If HT took LA7s out of the picture tomorrow, you would be posting the same way about D9s
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Think it's got the past the running thing.
If 1 plane perked for a specific reason, then all planes with the same trait/reason should be perked also.
As long as the current screw up remains in place the discussions will go on.
There are very few planes I think under the current setup deserved to be perked.
262,163 and the Tempest (but should be cheaper).
All others should be free, if not more planes should be on the perk list.
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Originally posted by Shane
i see more FW's that La7's go zooming past to make a one-pass vulchicide run.
:rofl
As I was starting to roll down the runway last night in a PJ a bish la7 lined himself up with the runway about 4.0 out. I was like "hell yeah! Bring it punk!" heheh as the dweeb thought he would get his 2 or 3 quick vulches in his elgay and run home at blazing speed. As my wheels lifted off the strip, he closed within 1,500 yards and I opened up as he tried to shoot the poor guy 200 yards in front of me. The next thing I see is a huge fireball 700 yards in front of me as the lamer exploded in a catasrophic flare of lameness.
I see this tactic more than any other these days. These are the same people who have no clue what to do if the enemy they are engaged with sees them or tries to corner them in a fight. And you know what? These aren't noObs. Some of the most prominent l337 score potatos are the ones who do this the most. One in particular flies a 190 for the Knights. It's sick, lame and just sad that veteran pilots have to resort to this tactic to get their kills to pad their prescious scores.
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It'll never get perked. 2/3 their profit come from La7 pilots I bet.
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Hell, perk everything but the Spit I, Hurricane I, F4F-4, A6M2, Bf 109E-4, and the dive bombers (Stuka, Kate, Val, SBD and TBM). Go for a graduated perk system with the fastest and deadliest gun packages at the top of the chain. Blow all yer perkies on those 262 rides? Darn. Grab a Spit I and start earning them back :)
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Originally posted by Stang
:rofl
As I was starting to roll down the runway last night in a PJ a bish la7 lined himself up with the runway about 4.0 out. I was like "hell yeah! Bring it punk!" heheh as the dweeb thought he would get his 2 or 3 quick vulches in his elgay and run home at blazing speed. As my wheels lifted off the strip, he closed within 1,500 yards and I opened up as he tried to shoot the poor guy 200 yards in front of me. The next thing I see is a huge fireball 700 yards in front of me as the lamer exploded in a catasrophic flare of lameness.
I see this tactic more than any other these days. These are the same people who have no clue what to do if the enemy they are engaged with sees them or tries to corner them in a fight. And you know what? These aren't noObs. Some of the most prominent l337 score potatos are the ones who do this the most. One in particular flies a 190 for the Knights. It's sick, lame and just sad that veteran pilots have to resort to this tactic to get their kills to pad their prescious scores.
This story sounds familiar, only it was not a lala dweeb and he did not get face shot. He blew the vulch and cought a 30mm from a G10. I can't remember his name though. Hmmmm, who could that be I wonder :confused:
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Well.. there must be a snowball fight in hell because I'm going to have to agree with Shane. :eek:
The other night a group of LA7s came in and did a fighter sweep of one of our bases. I was in an f6f, and after killing 3, I got caught in a bad spot and ended up getting killed by endless BnZ attempts from 3 planes. So, I upped a base back with a tempest... 75 gas and drop tanks. I went to 12k and found them still vulching. I just played their game. I BnZ'd the remaining 5 then went on to get 2 more on their way back. LA7s don't match to tempests at high speeds. I wouldn't give any of them the satisfaction of a fight, I would just zoom them till they made a mistake, and then BOOM! on to the next one :aok
Temp can dive to close to 600mph... la7 will only make about 475 before it starts to compress... maybe 500.
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Originally posted by SunKing
It'll never get perked. 2/3 their profit come from La7 pilots I bet.
IMO you're warm - very warm, and getting warmer. ;):aok
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Originally posted by Kev367th
I think his idea was to perk them to try and reduce usage, after all isn't that the reason planes are perked in the 1st place?
Kev ... 3 perk cost won't reduce the usage but will increase the runnage ... COD forbid that you might die and lose some perks at the same time ... OH THE HORROR !!!
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I'm trying to figure out why I read this whole thread.. Whats the point ? Nothing is going to change.
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
I fly em and I have no qualms about fighting anything that comes at me. Then again being a dweeb I fly just about anything there is. So please add my name to the wall of shame!
Honest suggestion...learn to deal with LA-7's. I have just as much fun shooting them down as flying them.
I HATE LA7's, don't get me wrong. The problem I have is not them running away, but running you down with the obligatory 3 slavering Spitties and NIKI’s trailing close behind. They start the pursuit from 2 or 3 K back, and they know they have a kill eventually. I have had them follow my 190A8 all the way to my base, only to die quickly as my side dog piled them.
And a LA7 is as likely to try to HO you as a Spittie. Of course, if you don’t know how to avoid a HO, learn.
It’s just the game. HT isn’t going to change it.
I too am sick of all the LA7’s. But perking isn’t the answer, and believe me I have no idea what the answer is. I stopped flying the 190A8, just for the reason I quoted about them running you down, now that the icons tell them you are a A8 and not a Dora.
Now I die almost every sortie. Believe me, I am frustrated. But perk the LA7?
I believe that even fewer planes should be perked. But that will not happen either.
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I am frustrated...it's not one isolated incident, but the compounding factors of many. If you read my initial post you will see that I just want them to fight instead of running...constantly running.....running running running......it's all I see them do.
LOL ... then ya better add the run-90, the run-O-9, and the runstang to the list too.
Especially the German iron. The slightest hint of reversal or loss of advantage and they are outta here quicker than the La-7 ... stick-stirrin' all the way.
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On the subject of the lala runing people down, all I have to say is, gooood. It is a game. A game of airplanes fighting. If a lala runs you down - even with 5 spits following - you just got your moneys worth. You get to fight. If you die, HT personaly will buy you a new plane. Now, instead of being ran down from going who knows where (and I am sure the lala is thinking you are running), turn around when he is 2K or 3K behind. Totaly different experience. ;)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I am frustrated...it's not one isolated incident, but the compounding factors of many. If you read my initial post you will see that I just want them to fight instead of running...constantly running.....running running running......it's all I see them do.
LOL ... then ya better add the run-90, the run-O-9, and the runstang to the list too.
Especially the German iron. The slightest hint of reversal or loss of advantage and they are outta here quicker than the La-7 ... stick-stirrin' all the way.
You have to refer to the "Lazs Conundrum" on that one Slappy
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Originally posted by dedalos
If a lala runs you down - even with 5 spits following - you just got your moneys worth. You get to fight.
If you die, HT personaly will buy you a new plane. Now, instead of being ran down from going who knows where (and I am sure the lala is thinking you are running), turn around when he is 2K or 3K behind. Totaly different experience. ;)
I imagine it would be a totally different experience. As I would die a lot quicker in a Spittie-LA7 dogpile. Spitties love to follow LA7's, free lunch :)
I try to run as you call it. I believe that fighter pilots call it "egress", I usually try to egress, er run, to the nearest pile of friendlies. The best way to get a bogey off you six is not to let him get there in the first place, the second best is to have a teammate blow him to pieces.
I am sure the Flying Tigers would roar with laughter if accused of "running". Because that is exactly what their tactic was. Dive down, make one pass, and run for base. One old Tiger said recently said something like "Hell, we INVENTED the drive by shooting." I think the Tigers war record is still the stuff of legends.
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Does this game/gameplay have anything to do with WW2 any more?
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I dont understand why all of you are even talking about this one anymore.
Wouldnt doing a search on this exact topic be alot easier?
Or you just like typing novles that have already been written 100 times over?
Do the words... Dead and Horse... Mean anything to any of you?
GIVE
IT
UP
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
I imagine it would be a totally different experience. As I would die a lot quicker in a Spittie-LA7 dogpile. Spitties love to follow LA7's, free lunch :)
I try to run as you call it. I believe that fighter pilots call it "egress", I usually try to egress, er run, to the nearest pile of friendlies. The best way to get a bogey off you six is not to let him get there in the first place, the second best is to have a teammate blow him to pieces.
I am sure the Flying Tigers would roar with laughter if accused of "running". Because that is exactly what their tactic was. Dive down, make one pass, and run for base. One old Tiger said recently said something like "Hell, we INVENTED the drive by shooting." I think the Tigers war record is still the stuff of legends.
No, the guy in the LA7 thinks you are running, not me. In real life, I would be the first to dive and run home. However, this is a game.
What I was trying to say was that the lala will run you down. You know what the outcome of egressing from a lala is going to be, so why not turn earlyer when you still have more options.
Bytheway, running from multiple cons just so you can regain some advantage and have a fair fight is perfectly fine by me. I don;t consider that running. Spit on your 6 d600 and you are not in a spit, extend. Turning would be, err, not smart.
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Originally posted by Shane
probably... the one in the MA? will have to look for it if you can recall an approximate date, it'd be helpful.
i also did delete allllllll my films the other day (about 15 folders @80-100 each) but kept films from about a week ago and onwards.
Bah, nevermind. Would've been about a month ago. Haven't flown much as of late due to relocation and new job.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
I dont understand why all of you are even talking about this one anymore.
Wouldnt doing a search on this exact topic be alot easier?
Or you just like typing novles that have already been written 100 times over?
Do the words... Dead and Horse... Mean anything to any of you?
GIVE
IT
UP
OMFG!!1111!!!!!11111 SO Tru3!!!!1111!
I'm with Morph on this one. This thread is a carbon copy of all the rest. Just a bunch of weak ralley call to P3rK TeH Ub3r Lghey!!!!111!!lol!!!111rawr!!!11
All it amounts to is the same boring chant and a bunch of sob stories about how CPID: X was pwn3d by an LA7 on date X.
Give it up allready. I like LAs being plentiful in the MA. It gives me a chance to improve my skills in lesser aircraft and feel GREAT about getting a kill. I even get to tangle with VERY able pile-its like shane every once in a while, and THAT my friends IS "THE ULTIMATE RUSH" IN AH2. So I leave this thread on one note:
PERK THE "PERK TEH LA7 THREADS"!!!!!11111111
You've all had enough of this gluttonous, sour-tasting, hapless, broken-hearted cry fest.
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HOSTAGE!
p-51s, 109g10, yakU, 190d, f4Uds, p-47-40, ect ect will not be freed unless you...
LET GO LA-7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:mad:
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Cant see the comparison between Lgay and D9: D9 almost as fast, and rolls REAL well, but cant turn for chit,lest it fall outta the sky, guns USELESS outside 400, as are all LW rides. (well, 30mm has better trajectory) LA7 guns kill at 800. Most of all, ANY ping on D9 hits radiator--which means your trip ends in about 90 seconds--Lgay HAS no radiator.--Also, flaps in LW rides just wont extend unless ya like 150 mph.
D9 HAS some trade-offs, LA7 has none of these. ..(I fly a8 now, screw em if they catch me, thats what fighting's for)
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In most cases, La7 will catch with you in seconds and will run away from you in seconds because its acceleration, not because its top speed. While your plane is still accelerating to 250 mph, the La is already doing 300, well below its and yours top speeds but running away from you or aproaching to you like a rocket.
Even the G10 is well below La7 in acceleration at low alts and If the fight starts hi (where the La is better than average but not uber), the La will simply try to attract you lower and lower (diving is cheap) and suddenly you will find yourself outaccelerated, outclimbed, outturned and outgunned.
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but with your mad skillz you should be able to *outfly* the la7's pilot...
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
I am sure the Flying Tigers would roar with laughter if accused of "running". Because that is exactly what their tactic was. Dive down, make one pass, and run for base. One old Tiger said recently said something like "Hell, we INVENTED the drive by shooting." I think the Tigers war record is still the stuff of legends.
Ah, they didn't run for their base. They extended, climbed and returned. P-40s can't dogfight with Ki-27s or Ki-43s. So they used their superior speed. But they didn't run, they stayed in the fight until the guns were empty or the Japanese retired. I count several of the AVG as personal friends. See my website for details.
My regards,
Widewing
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For LaLa Infection, take two aspirin ... aurally.
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Amen to both culero and morpheous.
Animl
Originally posted by culero
I'm tired of the whining about it. Sheesh.
Cut the LGays back and the next fastest ride becomes the one to whine about.
Learn to deal with it. You know you can't catch 'em, so DON'T for Cod's sake :)
culero (its like watching dogs chase cars while barking like mad)
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Originally posted by Goth
For the love of God...perk the La7. I am sick to death of those running weenies. I literally spent all night chasing Lamer7 piluts.
Well,don't.Unless somebody's gotta gun to your head
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Originally posted by MANDO
In most cases, La7 will catch with you in seconds and will run away from you in seconds because its acceleration, not because its top speed. While your plane is still accelerating to 250 mph, the La is already doing 300, well below its and yours top speeds but running away from you or aproaching to you like a rocket.
Even the G10 is well below La7 in acceleration at low alts and If the fight starts hi (where the La is better than average but not uber), the La will simply try to attract you lower and lower (diving is cheap) and suddenly you will find yourself outaccelerated, outclimbed, outturned and outgunned.
I hate to ruin a good rant, but much of what you said is no longer the case.
I have tested these aircraft at sea level for acceleration and climb. With the current AH2 flight model, the La-7 does not accelerate faster than the G-10. In fact, the G-10 goes from 200 mph to 300 mph a full second faster than the La-7. Moreover, it's no contest in a climb, the G-10 wins easily. If the Lavochkin has more speed at the outset, that's a different issue. Hell, the G-2 climbs as well as the La-7, and it can certainly dogfight it successfully.
In pure acceleraton, the Tempest is fastest on the deck, with the G-10 and F4U-4 dead even. Then comes the La-7, with the Spit14 right on its heels, followed by the Dora. If you start at 150 mph, going to 250, the Ki-84 is right there with the G-10 and F4U-4, but it lags behind going to 300 mph as it is substantially slower than the rest on the deck. As to the 190D, the La-7 beats it to 300 mph by 0.5 seconds. This isn't enough to get out of gun range. That translates to about a 1 mph advantage to the La-7 when it reaches 300 mph. If you are 3k ahead, it's going to take the La-7 quite a while to catch up.
In climb to 10k, starting at 300 mph @ 25 feet, the results are predictable. G-10 is first, but the Spit14 is very close. Then you have the F4U-4, with the Ki-84 next. Behind those come the Tempest, then the P-38J/L, with the Dora close to them. Finally we get to the La-7, trailing the Dora by 3 seconds. I haven't tested the G-2, but it should be close to the Dora, if not a bit better.
Grab a stopwatch and try it yourself, just be sure to use E6B for accurate speed measurements.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by bj229r
Cant see the comparison between Lgay and D9: D9 almost as fast, and rolls REAL well, but cant turn for chit,lest it fall outta the sky, guns USELESS outside 400, as are all LW rides. (well, 30mm has better trajectory) LA7 guns kill at 800. Most of all, ANY ping on D9 hits radiator--which means your trip ends in about 90 seconds--Lgay HAS no radiator.--Also, flaps in LW rides just wont extend unless ya like 150 mph.
D9 HAS some trade-offs, LA7 has none of these. ..(I fly a8 now, screw em if they catch me, thats what fighting's for)
check your facts.
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Originally posted by Widewing
Ah, they didn't run for their base. They extended, climbed and returned. P-40s can't dogfight with Ki-27s or Ki-43s. So they used their superior speed. But they didn't run, they stayed in the fight until the guns were empty or the Japanese retired. I count several of the AVG as personal friends. See my website for details.
My regards,
Widewing
It was never my intention to insinuate that the Flying Tigers were anything less than brave. They were voluteers from the American Armed forces, most were very experienced pilots. They flew smart, and aggressive, but they sure didn't turn fight the superior turning Japanese planes.
In AH, extending, making an egress, getting alt and then returning to the fight, is considered "running like a girl" and if you use that tactic, you are a dweebish coward. That is, you should just turn your 190 around and wipe the sky clean of all those nasty Spitties, NIKI's and LA7s in a down and dirty, low altitude, roll in the mud, knife fight. If your were a good enough pilot, it shouldn't be a problem. Remember, it is the pilot, not the plane.
The only pilots who have any credibility are those who fight wheels and flaps down. Anything else is an L Gay 7 (like this is 2005 who cares if someone is gay?) or a Run09, a Run90, or a Runstang.
I'm just a dweeb who runs like a girl, (more like a scalded dog actually). That is mainly because I really can't fight a LA7 and his 2 to 4 Spittie and NIKI friends in a 190A8 if I get low and slow. I just suck at that sort of thing.
The only way I know how to fly a 190 is to stay high and fast. But I am only an alt monkey dweeb in a Run90. Not a real man, in a manly plane.
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
In AH, extending, making an egress, getting alt and then returning to the fight, is considered "running like a girl" and if you use that tactic, you are a dweebish coward. That is, you should just turn your 190 around and wipe the sky clean of all those nasty Spitties, NIKI's and LA7s in a down and dirty, low altitude, roll in the mud, knife fight. If your were a good enough pilot, it shouldn't be a problem. Remember, it is the pilot, not the plane.
The only pilots who have any credibility are those who fight wheels and flaps down. Anything else is an L Gay 7 (like this is 2005 who cares if someone is gay?) or a Run09, a Run90, or a Runstang.
You are 100% dead frikkin wrong. Totally.
Running and extending are two totally different things. Someone who "runs" will flee the scene of a 1 on 1 because he doesn't know jack about any acm except cherry pick hoing. Someone who "extends" will extend a thousand yards or two, not running, but setting up his next run or his kill shot. He can do this in a thousand different ways, and you'll know it because in a matter of seconds he'll back back on you like a fly on sh*t. He'll keep doing this until he gets you, wears you out completely or has to rtb for fuel or ammo. Runners don't do this. Those that have a sack and actually fight do. The problem is maybe less than 1% of people who fly a BnZ ride fly anything like this. Try it Fodder, you'll pwn just about every slower plane you fight against, unless he's got a hell of a reverse move (beware low spit5's :D )
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Allright, I admit it. I fly 'em as much as anything else. HOWEVER, they can be beaten, as those that have killed me many times in mine will attest. Learn the LA's weakness and exploit it. It has a vicious snap in low E turns, not as bad as the doras but you should be able to make the pilot induce it if you can keep em turnin. They aren't a SUPER FIGHTER with the best characteristics of all other fighters, Spits can turn inside of them. Learn to merge. Also, if theyre runing, don't follow. They will turn back, then just use your superior skills to splash them. Don't have these skills? Get 'em. Most guys have @ 100:1 flight time ratio on me. That is for every 1 hour I'm up, they're up 100, so I don't feel really bad when I hear them whine (alot).
I also like to defend fields against the Dora hordes and, I do like to get to the 15-20k Rook alt. monkeys in a reasonable time frame. This is a good plane to do both. (Or maybe thats why the cryin?)
The LAs can be out maneuvered, but probably not in the BnZ plane most guys like to vulch with. So get a turn fighter.
Simply put, if you dont like gettin beat by them, grab an LA and beat them back (worked for me when Birdo was vulchin one of my bases in his LA last night). If you're "too good to take a 'Dweeb' ride", then dont cry when you get whacked by one. Who is the bigger dweeb, the dweeb himself, or the dweeb that just got splashed by him?
If runnin is the problem, then its the pilots, not the plane. Like I said, I get killed in them PLENTY, because I turn and fight instead of runnin, I also kill my share of 'em because when I see 'em I dont run flat out, I just out fly most of 'em' till they auger. :aok
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heck, here is a solution... perk all the planes and let no new person in unless they know the secret knock.. so the plane ran from you... ill run when im almost out of fuel.. or ammo.. but then again i guess that i should continue to bob and weave until im shot down.. or im considered a running dweeb.. ok, i can do that.. heck ive been a spit dweeb, spitV dweeb, La5 dweeb, and a mmmmmmm...oh yea a dweeb.
:aok :rofl
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than the La-7 ... stick-stirrin' all the way.
yep thats what these experten do.
yesterday 2 in a PJ it aint that easier.
I had a fight with a G10 the guy sees he loses and is able to run . in the mean while his buddy in a A5 comes to me.
I fight him and come on his 6 at d200 yes
FW's are stickstrirrers pur sang i never got to hit it. well i hit him a few. But the PJ rubber does nothing.
In the mean while the loser G10 comes back 1 ping and boem. :rolleyes:
I myself got to fly a F8 once and had a la5 at my tail for 2 sectors he never hit me just by jerkin the stick. eventualy he gave up.
Lame planes these FW's
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Let's start over...
1) I don't run from a fight while in an LA7.
2) I don't run from a fight against an LA7 while in another plane.
2) Other people don't run from a fight while in an LA7
3) Mustang's run from LA7's (til they die) so do FW's
4) Pucker factor goes way up when an LA7 arrives on the scene
5) Learn to deal with it.
6) Be positive when going up against one.
7) I'm positive if you're not in that frame of mind you will end up back here whining about LA7's again.
Have a nice day.
:D
Ren
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Okay, new numbers, with each fighter having 75% fuel at takeoff, fuel burn set at 2.0 per the MA.
Acceleration: Altitude, 25 feet. Adjust power to steady at 200 mph. Go to max power (with WEP where available). Time needed to attain 300 mph.
Results in seconds, no rounding.
Tempest: 26.16
F4U-4: 28.57
SpitXIV: 28.72
La-7: 28.78
109G-10: 28.97
190D-9: 30.83
Ki-84: 35.96
P-38J\L: 36.57
Yak-9U: 37.40
109G-2: 37.62
109G-2: 43.94 w/gondolos
Climb from sea level. Start altitude, 25 feet. Adjust power to steady 300 mph. Go to max power, engage auto-climb. Time needed to reach 10,000 feet.
Results in minutes and seconds, no rounding.
109G-10: 1:46.18
SpitXIV: 1:47.13
109G-2: 1:54.06
F4U-4: 1:55.67
P-38J/L: 2:03.55
109G-2: 2:04.00 w/gondolas
Ki-84: 2:04.09
190D-9: 2:04.35
Tempest: 2:05.38
La-7: 2:06.91
Yak-9U: 2:13.94
Comments:
We find what we expected from the Tempest. It wins the acceleration contest. However, the La-7 falls behind the F4U-4 and the Spitfire XIV, and barely nipping the 109G-10. This group of four can be looked at as a virtual dead heat. We see the Dora largely alone in 6th place. We see that the Ki-84 does edge out the P-38J/L, but not by much. The Yak and the 109G-2 bring up the rear. Note that gondolas penalizes the G-2 by adding more than 5 seconds to the acceleration time.
In terms of climb rate, the 109G-10 is still the winner, but only just barely over the Spitfire XIV. In terms of acceleration, speed and climb, these are about as equally matched as any two fighters in the game. Next we find the 109G-2, closely followed by the F4U-4. Add gondolas to the G-2 and it falls down the list just behind the next fighter, the P-38J/L. We then see the Ki-84 and 190D-9 right behind. These numbers establish another group, P-38J/L, Ki-84 and 190D-9 posting numbers close enough to be considered a dead heat. Almost a second behind this bunch is the Tempest, a full 19 seconds in arrears of the G-10. Lagging behind the Tempest is the La-7. While this fighter climbs tremendously up to 5,000 feet, climb rate tanks-out as it continues up. Bringing up the back is the Yak-9U, well behind the rest of the test fighters.
So there you have it. Yes, the La-7 is a monster, but it is not as terrific as some would have us believe. Should it be perked? I feel the 3 cannon version should be given a perk price similar to the F4U-1C, with 2 cannon version being free.
My regards,
Widewing
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I noticed in widewings analysis (see above thread) that the spit14 and the 109g10 are well matched aircraft. Im not looking to start anything , but why does the spit14 have a perk tag so high? I flew it once and didnt think it was worth near the perks I spent on it. Sure it climbed faster, but it doesnt turn as well as I would expect. I myself have spanked them in a turnfight with a seafire. To tell you the truth Im more worried about other seafires or spit5s than the perked model.
On a diferent note I love lots of La7s around. In a seafire you can get 4 or 5 perk points apiece for them. woohoo And with as many 262s as I lose I need all the perkies I can get.
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You guys are right...Unperk the Chog, Ta152, and the Spit XIV.....reduce Tempest cost, 163's free for HQ defense only give us the B29 and perk the nookes, but leave the regular payload free from perkage.
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Originally posted by Stang
You are 100% dead frikkin wrong. Totally.
Running and extending are two totally different things. Someone who "runs" will flee the scene of a 1 on 1 because he doesn't know jack about any acm except cherry pick hoing. Someone who "extends" will extend a thousand yards or two, not running, but setting up his next run or his kill shot. He can do this in a thousand different ways, and you'll know it because in a matter of seconds he'll back back on you like a fly on sh*t. He'll keep doing this until he gets you, wears you out completely or has to rtb for fuel or ammo. Runners don't do this. Those that have a sack and actually fight do. The problem is maybe less than 1% of people who fly a BnZ ride fly anything like this. Try it Fodder, you'll pwn just about every slower plane you fight against, unless he's got a hell of a reverse move (beware low spit5's :D )
Well maybe I am a 100% wrong, but in the Main Arena that I fly in, I could count on both hands, leaving out the thumbs and a couple of fingers the number of 1 on 1's H have had that were fought to completion without interference from either my side or theirs. I had a great 1 on 1 the other day with a LA7, I missed vulching him in F4U-D, I stayed on him like hair on a dog. I have flown the F4U only a little so I kept missing. The other pilot was a guy named something like Sundwnr or something like that. We kept it up for at least 10 minutes. Eventually he got on my six, and I kept forcing overshoots. He then overshot with speed looped over hit me from my high 12. He did that a couple of times until I went down. Really a fun fight, he was quite good. But that is the last time I have had a 1 on 1 in a long long time. People fly in hordes.
If you think I am going to BNZ a pack of bogeys, then blow my e with a quick reversal, shoot one bogey to bits, then have the pack of LA's and Spitties tear me apart, well I'm not gonna do that. I am a dweebish coward who doesn't like to play target drone. I boom with speed, climb out, get enought alt to make another pass safely, then dive again. I usually don't dive down make a pass and run for base. Sometimes I even dive down with a belly tank on as I helps control dive speed. I am not afraid of a LA7 one on one, drag him out and kill him if I can. But LA7's almost always have a pack of Spitties following them. So you dive down at about 450mph, make a pass, then zoom up. Most LA7s won't bother to follow you. But if I get to agressive, low and slow like you suggest. Then the LA7 starts to fly you down, with several buddies in tow.
Like I said, I am a alt monkey, cherry picking, vulching, gang banging, score potato. But the MA environment I fly in is not a gentlemans duel at dawn. It is a snake pit, full of gang bangers, vulchers, HO dweebs, LA7's cherry pickers, score potatos, river pirates and worse.
The only way to survive in the MA I fly in is to be a heartless, merciless, razor toting snake. And you better stay fast.
I certainly would like to try flying in this other MA you have found. Can I have the url?
But then they would throw me out. I have not fought in a gentlemen's arena in years. All I know is kill or be killed.
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
Well maybe I am a 100% wrong, but in the Main Arena that I fly in, I could count on both hands, leaving out the thumbs and a couple of fingers the number of 1 on 1's H have had that were fought to completion without interference from either my side or theirs. I had a great 1 on 1 the other day with a LA7, I missed vulching him in F4U-D,
Maybe if you let people up you will have more 1 on 1 fights. LMAO, he is talking about vulching while crying about the lala. As I have always said. The lala took off and killed the vulcher. A 190 or 51 would not have been able to do that and therefore, we cry about the lalas :lol.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
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You aint helping it either Jeffa hehe
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The only thing I can figure out is everyone's AH2 computer is tanked. Otherwise, why would anyone wanna be here iso the MA?
I gotta admit I spend time on here when I'm at work. I finish getting my releases done and all I gotta do is flight follow and make sure all is well. With 3 screens I can devote a small corner to read the fun stuff, like why is there air? Opps, why do Laffies run?
If you think laffies run from a fight come observe ride with me. Anyones welcome.
Ren:)
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tell 'em to make sure they bring their chutes. :D
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Originally posted by dedalos
Maybe if you let people up you will have more 1 on 1 fights. LMAO, he is talking about vulching while crying about the lala. As I have always said. The lala took off and killed the vulcher. A 190 or 51 would not have been able to do that and therefore, we cry about the lalas :lol.
Check a couple of posts up, and you will see that I claimed to be; Like I said, I am an alt monkey, cherry picking, vulching, gang banging, score potato.
And where have I cryed about the La7? I think if you look up a few posts I suggested that we leave them unperked. Get your facts straight. :rolleyes:
We were in the process of capping a field for capture. The LA7 took off, he was wheels up and turning when I missed the first past. It still would have been a vulch in my books. The other planes didn't bother with him, they were waiting to kill the next guy trying to up. I thought, what the hell, I'm gonna dog fight this dude. We ended the fight quite a ways from the base. I actually stayed above him 1 on 1. Then another plane dove in. Then the dude gets the LA on his six and extends. I have to blow my alt advantage to clear him. In thanks he boogies off and leaves me again in a 1 on 1, co-alt turnfight with the LA7. Let see, I'm in a D hog in a low turn fight with an la7. Hell, I'm not that good, still, I lasted a couple of minutes more. I had to bleed more speed forcing over shoots on the deck. The Hog accelerates like a turtle, and climbs like a sack of rocks. He then made short work of me with those passes, making me bleed speed, he would then loop over on my high 12 and dive down on me with firing passed Eventually he shot me up, andthen I was down. It took him I think 3 of those passes. Still a fun fight.
The guy I tried to vulch kills me, nothing wrong with that, you have to admire him, at least I do. He was quite slippery :)
I DO vulch, get it??? But I am not whining about getting killed by an LA7. It happens :)
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Originally posted by Stang
You aint helping it either Jeffa hehe
Pot kettle black
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Goth,
I couldn't agree more with you, man. Those things are ruining the game for most folks. I don't see HTC perking 'em however. What I think the situation is that they are fearful of doing so due to losing a percentage of their customer base. ie: financial contributors. I can't think of any other reason they're not perked; if even for 3-5 points or so.
Some guys have stated they're easy as hell to kill. Funny, but when I look up stats for a lot of those guys, the numbers don't reflect that. Of course, it looks "manly" up on the text buffer to say so.
When you do get one in a compromising position by outflying him, he just extends and runs his tail off. They say the Dora is faster, and that's true. But, to get a 4K extension on a Lala when both are Co-E takes about three full sectors. :lol
Regards, Odd
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Why not perk airfields? Only certain planes are available at certain airfields. If you don't have the perks for those fields you cant fly any planes from there. The lets take the short range planes and make sure their perked fields are at least two sectors from any enemy field. Those perked fields will require less perk points to fly from. Again,
only certain planes can be flown out of those fields.
So the perked fields would be bombers closest to the enemy fields. Short range planes would be hangered 2-3 sectors minimum from enemy fields. And long range planes would be hangered a mminimum of 4-5 sectors from the nearest enemy fields. The me163 can ony fly from a perked field that is 6 sectors from the nearests enemy field or their own HQ.
Take away all perks from vehicles including tigers but those vehicle fields can only spawn near an enemy field but not to defend their own.
There's more ideas onthe subject but I suppose all of this would make about as much sense as perking an LA7 cause you don't know how to deal with one.
Ya gotta admit this ha been a fun thread!!! Do you guys fly too?:)
Ren
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All anyone is saying is that La7 is an UNrealistically hot plane--it takes Barney Fife and turns him into fediddlein John Wayne. It's ammo package and flight characteristics make it near in performance to planes that are HIGHly perked
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perk every plane except the c47, that will take care of 92.9% of the whinning about runners, kamakazis ect...lol
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Perk the man on the chute who gave me a p/w.
He has no business up there!
Sharp
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Originally posted by SunKing
It'll never get perked. 2/3 their profit come from La7 pilots I bet.
Truer words were never spoken.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I am frustrated...it's not one isolated incident, but the compounding factors of many. If you read my initial post you will see that I just want them to fight instead of running...constantly running.....running running running......it's all I see them do.
LOL ... then ya better add the run-90, the run-O-9, and the runstang to the list too.
Especially the German iron. The slightest hint of reversal or loss of advantage and they are outta here quicker than the La-7 ... stick-stirrin' all the way.
Ya, I've been pretty dissapointed with the quality of the LW pilots that I've run into lately. I think most of the folks that actually knew how to fly em (Hblair and his, me & old JG2, Nath) have all stopped playing.. leaving new 'Wobbles to find their inspiration from people like the JaBores.
I know for me, I used to enjoy the hell out of grabbing an A5 and surprising people, especially Spits. Come into the merge hard, take your shot... "fighting" doesn't have to be long and drawn out, you go around 1-2 turns and book it if it isn't working out. But that was the MA of long ago, not today's.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Ya, I've been pretty dissapointed with the quality of the LW pilots that I've run into lately. I think most of the folks that actually knew how to fly em (Hblair and his, me & old JG2, Nath) have all stopped playing.. leaving new 'Wobbles to find their inspiration from people like the JaBores.
I know for me, I used to enjoy the hell out of grabbing an A5 and surprising people, especially Spits. Come into the merge hard, take your shot... "fighting" doesn't have to be long and drawn out, you go around 1-2 turns and book it if it isn't working out. But that was the MA of long ago, not today's.
I was going to, but I can't, I'm laughing to hard. ;-)
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I'm sorry.... you are who?
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Originally posted by Urchin
I think most of the folks that actually knew how to fly em (Hblair and his, me & old JG2, Nath) have all stopped playing..
Bah, just fly around 3am some odd day, you can still find Moot tearing it up in his D9.
Also - I ran into Doom the other day (granted, I was in a FW as well) but we had a fun fight.
There are some FW/109 pilots who try to kill you, but I'll agree, they're few and far between.
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I agree..everything should cost you something, except the lowliest of rides. I
m not sure how the current point system works right now, but if you killed a 109G in a 1o9G, you should get the point value of a 109G when you rtb. If you killed a Spit14 while in a 109e, you shoul get 3 times the worth of the 109e in points. Not exactly..but along those lines if you know what I mean.
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Originally posted by Goth
For the love of God...perk the La7. I am sick to death of those running weenies. I literally spent all night chasing Lamer7 piluts. Even a 3 pt perk would make some of these timid boys not fly it and leave it to the fighting pilots who do.
Hmmmmm,well I can't help but add a comment to this one:eek:
"leave it to the fighting pilots who do" ????? "perk the LA7"????
ahhh yes add yet another perk plane to the list of those already in that category, that's the solution to all problems...just perk all good planes so new members cant fly em. that guarantes the continued superiority of the so - called fighting pilots,and since that seems ( atfirst glance ) to be the reason for perked planes etc to begin with lets just let the new guys ( the non-fighting pilots) have this one OK.
java45
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Those who can't.....whine.
I flew an La7 the other night and had fun.I lived and I died in it but I had alot of fun. And....contrary to those who "can't", I fought in it. No running.
I flew a pony last night and turn fought everything I ran into. No running. Is there a difference? Like I said, "those who can't....whine". Did I live and die in it? Sure, but I had alot of fun.
Learn to fight La7's. You already "learned" how to whine about them and you have no compunction about sharing your whine with us. Now show us that you can learn to fight them. Show everyone you can have fun too!
Ren
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Originally posted by beet1e
Does this game/gameplay have anything to do with WW2 any more?
Better question would be .... Did it ever?
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Those who can't.....whine.
I flew an La7 the other night and had fun.I lived and I died in it but I had alot of fun. And....contrary to those who "can't", I fought in it. No running.
I flew a pony last night and turn fought everything I ran into. No running. Is there a difference? Like I said, "those who can't....whine". Did I live and die in it? Sure, but I had alot of fun.
Learn to fight La7's. You already "learned" how to whine about them and you have no compunction about sharing your whine with us. Now show us that you can learn to fight them. Show everyone you can have fun too!
Ren
HEAR, HEAR, HEAR !!!!!! YES Ren ....
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Originally posted by beet1e
Does this game/gameplay have anything to do with WW2 any more?
What's WW2? Is Stone Cold Austin gonna wrestle the Rock in it?
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Ohhhhhhhh, another 'perk the ###' thread!!!
Just fly Hurricane for a tour. Youll stop relying on speed to get kills. And you learn not to start a futile chase. Hell, even bombers can run from a Hurri. That doesnt mean you cant get and land kills in it - turning *and* BnZ.
Eventually, they turn around. If they dont, just look for something else to kill.
Hmm....
You can get a lala that shoots and scoots...or Hurricane that "HO"S...all the same to me. I'm amazed folks whine about the lala...its a very beatable plane. I have no problem with them in a ki-61,-1 hog or P47-25...now sometimes I've got issues with the guy flying em:)...but thats another story. The biggest problem with the lala isnt him...its the 4 other guys he makes you fight once he's run you down and blown on by:)
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Those who can't.....whine.
I flew an La7 the other night and had fun.I lived and I died in it but I had alot of fun. And....contrary to those who "can't", I fought in it. No running.
I flew a pony last night and turn fought everything I ran into. No running. Is there a difference? Like I said, "those who can't....whine". Did I live and die in it? Sure, but I had alot of fun.
Learn to fight La7's. You already "learned" how to whine about them and you have no compunction about sharing your whine with us. Now show us that you can learn to fight them. Show everyone you can have fun too!
Ren
Thank you, Ren
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La 7 is a fun ride.........as is the La5FN.
You just die more in the La5FN.
In my time zone the cautious (does that mean timid?) pilots are (generalising) FW pilots who stay fast and (generally) high. It seems to the ac of choice for an ultra high speed vulch of a runway (presumably the Dora....flown in this style the "borer") and "extending" back up to 15K before repeating.
The La7 is perfect for despatching these guys mid zoom.....
La7 v La7 (or any Lavochkin v any Lavochkin ) is a good fight bringing into play all elements of acm.
It runs well away too..........
But if you out manouvre some guy to the point he has to run away then you have won.........
If he comes back you can win again........... or at least enjoy trying.
It seems that the La7's ability to shake its tail annoys some folk who seem to assume therefore that every (and therefore only) La7 pilots run.
I note however that many also complaign that la7's "chase them down" to let other ac finish the job. Clearly those ac chased down by la7's were also "running"...........or have we ventured into some sophisticated definition of the term that is only applied to certain ac?