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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: gofaster on March 04, 2005, 03:31:21 PM
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.... 2) air strike by Israel (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=721&e=1&u=/nm/20050304/wl_nm/nuclear_iran_dc)
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Probably both.
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3) pax americana
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god help us all...
since the holy Israel is mentioned here i think this fits here well,
Matthew 26:52 "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword".
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I'd say Isreal attacks, This causes a huge war(other than the one in Iraq) America forced to "defend" our allies.
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no doubt.... just another war to add to my resume....
Originally posted by Raider179
I'd say Isreal attacks, This causes a huge war(other than the one in Iraq) America forced to "defend" our allies.
:mad:
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why the angry face?
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"War Huh what is it good for? Absolutely nothing"
:D
Frankie goes to Hollywood I think?
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i predict a few hundred muslim americans sneak in and start sowing the seeds of rebellion, and as soon as that breaks out the americans jump in the help.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
"War Huh what is it good for? Absolutely nothing"
:D
Frankie goes to Hollywood I think?
Nope
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
god help us all...
since the holy Israel is mentioned here i think this fits here well,
Matthew 26:52 "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword".
Still bitter about the Holocaust not turning out like Hitler wanted?
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Well if the world does end in fiery nuclear armageddon....
I won't have to worry about repaying my college loans :aok
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Originally posted by Stang
Still bitter about the Holocaust not turning out like Hitler wanted?
What kind of thing is that to say. WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE THAT YOU NEED TO BRING UP THE NAZI COMMENTS ON A SIMPLE POST LIKE THAT.
That's not trolling that's just down right wrong! I'm not one of these big sensativity weanies but I lost a grand uncle fighting the Nazis. My Grand father flew ponys over Europe.
NONE OF US HERE ARE SUPREMISTS OR NAZIS!
You must love being the classic sterotypical liberal communist huh. You don't have anything to add to the discussion so you just break out the nazi remarks.......and worse, sudgesting somone wanted the "final solution" to continue.
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ah Gunslinger was faster...
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HITLER IS HIMMLER!!!!!!!OH JEEBUS!!!!!!OH JEEBUS!!!!!
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Originally posted by Heretik
Well if the world does end in fiery nuclear armageddon....
I won't have to worry about repaying my college loans :aok
I was thinking the same thing!!
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
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NONE OF US HERE ARE SUPREMISTS OR NAZIS!
Well, there's +Silat :)
culero
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Originally posted by Yeager
HITLER IS HIMMLER!!!!!!!OH JEEBUS!!!!!!OH JEEBUS!!!!!
:D
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Originally posted by Skydancer
"War Huh what is it good for? Absolutely nothing"
:D
Frankie goes to Hollywood I think?
That would be Edwin Starr.
Karaya
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These politically correct whiners are getting really annoying. You can't say anything about Israel without them starting to whine about holocost no matter how irrelevant it is to the subject.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
These politically correct whiners are getting really annoying. You can't say anything about Israel without them starting to whine about holocost no matter how irrelevant it is to the subject.
The problem here is somone braught up the holocost very first thing. But, the instant Nazi remarks on this board any time you bring up an opinion that is anti-socialist or slighting to the right (American style) is just completly rediculus.
Just like the zyclon-b remark made in another thread when dealing with execution.
I'm not asking Europe to thank me or my relatives for helping to fight the good fight....nore do I want to hear it took them long enough to get into it.....and especially that we are symbolic of the enemy we faught not to long ago.
It's especially hurtfull to bring up the holocaust that happend during that war. Maybe I should start calling every left wing liberal in here "comrade" and enrage in their fight against the "capitalistic pigs". No that's not the solution either.
This was a good discussion till some tard braught up the holocost of WWII. To me cheering for it like some of these tards do only help motivate fundamentalist type thinking.
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CAPS CAPS CAPS CAPS CAPS
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I'm not one of these big sensativity weanies but I lost a grand uncle fighting the Nazis. My Grand father flew ponys over Europe.
MORE CAPS CAPS CAPS CAPS
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"War Huh what is it good for? Absolutely nothing"
Frankie goes to Hollywood I think?
Edwin Star?
I'm either too young or too English. Over here it was Frankie Goes To Hollywood. Mind you might have been a cover version.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
"War Huh what is it good for? Absolutely nothing"
Frankie goes to Hollywood I think?
Edwin Star?
I'm either too young or too English. Over here it was Frankie Goes To Hollywood. Mind you might have been a cover version.
Edwin Starr sang the song for Motown, FGTH's version would be a cover.
Karaya
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Yep Masher You are right.
:aok
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I predict the price of glass dramatically drops
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I predict all the liberal trash that likes to make Nazi comments will eat their words.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
What kind of thing is that to say. WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE THAT YOU NEED TO BRING UP THE NAZI COMMENTS ON A SIMPLE POST LIKE THAT.
That's not trolling that's just down right wrong! I'm not one of these big sensativity weanies but I lost a grand uncle fighting the Nazis. My Grand father flew ponys over Europe.
NONE OF US HERE ARE SUPREMISTS OR NAZIS!
You must love being the classic sterotypical liberal communist huh. You don't have anything to add to the discussion so you just break out the nazi remarks.......and worse, sudgesting somone wanted the "final solution" to continue.
Ah, Stang, aren't ya glad you started hanging out in the OT? :p
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who gives a chit? we're all going to die anyhow.....
THE END IS NIGH!! THE END IS NIGH!!!
I'M BURNING ALIVE NOW! I FEEL THE DEAMON PRESENCE AMOUNG US!
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Eeeek, I apologize guys. Shouldn't post when drinking.
:o
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I was right there with Gunslinger railing against the Nazis and the Holocaust until he started blaming liberal communists,and then he lost me.
I thought everybody hates Nazis, including communists. In fact, if you look at the Soviets losses during WWII, don't communists have more reason to hate Nazis than we do even?
I'm not even sure what the heck a 'liberal' communist is. The term implies to me that there 'conservative' communists out there too. Are we talking about the difference between Red China communism and Soviet-style communism?
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Most people don't even know what they're talking about. They just label people they dislike.
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Originally posted by gofaster
.... 2) air strike by Israel (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=721&e=1&u=/nm/20050304/wl_nm/nuclear_iran_dc)
ahhh i see that you have no clue.
Russia has signed contract with iran and Iran will move/return all used Nuke fuel to russia.
I predict prosperity for region and big BIG $$ to whom who will have nuclear power plant in ME. Coz almost every country is lack of energy and Iran already announced planes to export electricity to those who would like to buy from them..
Since non of their neigbours belive in WMD story, nobody but emrekan intelectuals at home fear Nuclear war.
Did you guys also predict Nuclear war in Korea ? ...
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Lada, you're goooood at it.
:aok
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Originally posted by oboe
I was right there with Gunslinger railing against the Nazis and the Holocaust until he started blaming liberal communists,and then he lost me.
I thought everybody hates Nazis, including communists. In fact, if you look at the Soviets losses during WWII, don't communists have more reason to hate Nazis than we do even?
I'm not even sure what the heck a 'liberal' communist is. The term implies to me that there 'conservative' communists out there too. Are we talking about the difference between Red China communism and Soviet-style communism?
I was actually referencing a stereotype when I said: "classic sterotypical" but it would have been more accurate to say socialist. My appologies
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Sorry I jumped on ya, GS. I still agree with your main point about the Holocaust reference. No worries, sir.
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Par Toutatis !
The sky is falling I agree with Gunslinger:)
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Originally posted by genozaur
Lada, you're goooood at it.
:aok
dont know meaning of IT but ohh well thx..
ohh wait did you mean it ? .. like IT ? ... ahh rgr thx .. gentoo rulez :cool:
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careful lada... he asking if yu want to have sex with him.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
careful lada... he asking if yu want to have sex with him.
lazs
damm i probably missed oportunity... damm all that loong praying and now i miss it like a dweeb ... ohh well
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Originally posted by lada
ahhh i see that you have no clue.
Russia has signed contract with iran and Iran will move/return all used Nuke fuel to russia.
I predict prosperity for region and big BIG $$ to whom who will have nuclear power plant in ME. Coz almost every country is lack of energy and Iran already announced planes to export electricity to those who would like to buy from them..
Since non of their neigbours belive in WMD story, nobody but emrekan intelectuals at home fear Nuclear war.
Did you guys also predict Nuclear war in Korea ? ...
You think a contract is gonna stop Iran from doing what it wants? Russia can't even account for most of it's own nuclear material. You use Korea as an example how about Korea agreeing to not develop nukes and then doing it? Same thing is gonna happen in Iran.
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Originally posted by Raider179
You think a contract is gonna stop Iran from doing what it wants?
no i dont think that Iran will stop to do what they want. I dont see any single reason why they should not do what they want, specialy in their homeland.
yeeep NK is probably nice example.
Actualy when will they nuke South korea ? according to yours predicts ?
I guess you didnt even read NK official statement about Nuclear weapons, nor have clue what NK plane to do with them.
Btw did Israel already gave back Nukes whitch they got under "Nuke for Peace" program? Last time i read about this issue, Israel deny to give those Nukes back to US and US were officialy somehow ... confused :D
Come on .. every little children know that Nuclear bomb = peace.. its US doctrine isnt it ? so why do you care ?
As the proper peace maker, you should keen on spreading nuclear weapons all around the world.
btw.: did you even read article in the link above ?
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Originally posted by lada
Come on .. every little children know that Nuclear bomb = peace.. its US doctrine isnt it ? so why do you care ?
As the proper peace maker, you should keen on spreading nuclear weapons all around the world.
Wow.
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hehe i just found this in other article on same news site.
Washington and the Europeans had approved the building of 20 nuclear power plants in Iran and provide advanced nuclear technology when Tehran was under the pro-Western shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi in the 1970s. But they reversed their positions following the 1979 Islamic revolution which toppled the Shah and brought the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini to power.
its so hard to belive that Iran doesnt need Nuclear power plant isnt it ?
Their energy demands 30 years ago were covered by 20 PP .. yet some people still dont understand why they want NPP so much.
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Originally posted by lada
no i dont think that Iran will stop to do what they want. I dont see any single reason why they should not do what they want, specialy in their homeland.
yeeep NK is probably nice example.
Actualy when will they nuke South korea ? according to yours predicts ?
I guess you didnt even read NK official statement about Nuclear weapons, nor have clue what NK plane to do with them.
Btw did Israel already gave back Nukes whitch they got under "Nuke for Peace" program? Last time i read about this issue, Israel deny to give those Nukes back to US and US were officialy somehow ... confused :D
Come on .. every little children know that Nuclear bomb = peace.. its US doctrine isnt it ? so why do you care ?
As the proper peace maker, you should keen on spreading nuclear weapons all around the world.
btw.: did you even read article in the link above ?
1)The reason they should not be allowed to devlop nukes is because they are the kind of people(the leadership and intelligence services) that would give a nuke to someone who would smuggle it into a major city and set it off. Do I fear Iran launching nukes at the U.S. ? No. I worry about them because I think they will spread it to terrorists.
2)Korea, Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty. I never said they would nuke someone. I said they broke their word about it.
North Korea developed them after saying they wouldn't. There word means ZERO to me. I dont trust anything they say about what they are gonna do with them.
"In 1994, the United States and North Korea signed an "Agreed Framework" bringing North Korea into full compliance with its non-proliferation obligations under the NPT. North Korea affirmed its NPT member status and committed to allow implementation of its IAEA safeguards agreement."
The other stuff you said is mindless drivel. Hey here is an idea lets give everyone nukes and then we will all be safe. That has to be the dumbest thing ever said. I actually think I am dumber for having read that part of your post.
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Originally posted by lada
hehe i just found this in other article on same news site.
its so hard to belive that Iran doesnt need Nuclear power plant isnt it ?
Their energy demands 30 years ago were covered by 20 PP .. yet some people still dont understand why they want NPP so much.
Again, you just don't understand things apparently. Ok so lets say that their goal is energy. Why didnt they take this offer?
- Iran rejected a European demand to stop building a heavy water nuclear reactor in return for a light-water reactor Sunday, hardening Iran’s position on a key part of its nuclear facilities that critics claim is part of a weapons program.
see because the answer is you can't produce nukes with light water reactors.
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Originally posted by Raider179
The other stuff you said is mindless drivel. Hey here is an idea lets give everyone nukes and then we will all be safe. That has to be the dumbest thing ever said. I actually think I am dumber for having read that part of your post.
hehe you are just a dumb that you didnt take it as a joke.
About breaking words... IMAO you must be shock by Israel's way to Nukes and their doctrine... arent you ?
Well my dear you should read materials and other stuff about Iran from that site, where Iran said, that they bought most stuff for their Nuclear program on black market.
And simply math say... if iranian were able to buy sutch things 5+ years ago... then IMAO US must be full of dirty bombs :rofl
i guess you are one of those who belive that iranians drive camels and dreaming about blowing up US right ?
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Originally posted by Raider179
Again, you just don't understand things apparently. Ok so lets say that their goal is energy. Why didnt they take this offer?
- Iran rejected a European demand to stop building a heavy water nuclear reactor in return for a light-water reactor Sunday, hardening Iran’s position on a key part of its nuclear facilities that critics claim is part of a weapons program.
see because the answer is you can't produce nukes with light water reactors.
because reactors whitch they bought from russian need heavy water. Also reactors whitch use light water are weaker.
Anyway im wondering why nobody offer them complete know how with light water.
Since they want NP badly , they will not give it up untill they will have similary soloution for similary price.
Does it make sense ?
edit:
Iran is planning to become a major supplier of nuclear fuel in the future and Iran has said before it needs the heavy-water reactor for research and development.
It were in same report whitch you mentioned.. so why did you ask me ?
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Originally posted by lada
hehe you are just a dumb that you didnt take it as a joke.
About breaking words... IMAO you must be shock by Israel's way to Nukes and their doctrine... arent you ?
Well my dear you should read materials and other stuff about Iran from that site, where Iran said, that they bought most stuff for their Nuclear program on black market.
And simply math say... if iranian were able to buy sutch things 5+ years ago... then IMAO US must be full of dirty bombs :rofl
i guess you are one of those who belive that iranians drive camels and dreaming about blowing US right ?
Look its simple to me. I trust Isreal to not give their nukes out to terrorists. I don't trust Iran to do the same.
I know it's 2005 but I am still not a mind reader, you said it sarcsticaly then you get a sarcastic answer. Hmmm Iran black market I wonder who it came from...Pakistan would be my guess. Not that any of that matters on what I said to you above.
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Originally posted by lada
because reactors whitch they bought from russian need heavy water. Also reactors whitch use light water are weaker.
Anyway im wondering why nobody offer them complete know how with light water.
Since they want NP badly , they will not give it up untill they will have similary soloution for similary price.
Does it make sense ?
No. Only 1 reason to choose heavy water reactors over light. It gives you the ability to make nukes.
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Originally posted by Raider179
No. Only 1 reason to choose heavy water reactors over light. It gives you the ability to make nukes.
aha ... realy ? can you post some link to back it ... ?
im afraid that you have no clue about this theme
Iran has stated that the IR-40 will be used for research and development, radioisotope production, and training. One main advantage of a heavy water reactor is the low absorption factor of heavy water (D2O) over other moderators. This translates into a larger number of isotopes being produced to satisfy the increasing isotope requirements in the medical and agricultural industries.
source
http://www.firstwatchint.org/IR40.htm
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
god help us all...
since the holy Israel is mentioned here i think this fits here well,
Matthew 26:52 "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword".
Problem with scripture is using it's phrases completely out of context to the full story leading into a given passage. Do your scholorship:
http://www.piedmontfreethoughtassociation.org/Matt26_52.html
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Originally posted by lada
aha ... realy ? can you post some link to back it ... ?
im afraid that you have no clue about this theme
source
http://www.firstwatchint.org/IR40.htm
Using your source.
IR-40 is expected to produce 40MW thermal power, using a heavy water plant to supply its moderator and coolant.
There are light water reactors listed on that page that produce 40 MW. So now you are saying they need heavy water for isotopes for agriculture? What happened to the "they need it for power"
Also from your source...
The IR-40 heavy water research reactor is significant because it produces high quality plutonium, the most important component for a compact, nuclear device.
Western light water reactors which have been offered produce as much electricity than this IR-40. If not more. I cant find if 40MW is the same as 1500MWe but I gotta fly. will discuss it further.
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Light water reactors can produce an abundance of power. On par with Heavy water reactors. So there goes that idea of yours about its just for power. Also Russia built a lightwater reactor so there is no reason they couldnt build one for Iran.
While LWRs use lowly enriched uranium for fuel, a material that is unsuitable for building nuclear weapons from, the kind of fuel that Monju breeds and that eventually will provide its own fuel, is *identical* to weapons grade plutonium, the material nuclear warheads are made from.
Monju was a breeder reactor in japan. No point in it just to show the LWR cant be used for nukes.
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Originally posted by Raider179
There are light water reactors listed on that page that produce 40 MW. So now you are saying they need heavy water for isotopes for agriculture? What happened to the "they need it for power"
be so kind please and go back to that quote and read 1st sentese again.
Stop thinking what im trying to saw and read once more again what i posted. you may find your answer.
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Originally posted by lada
hehe i just found this in other article on same news site.
its so hard to belive that Iran doesnt need Nuclear power plant isnt it ?
Their energy demands 30 years ago were covered by 20 PP .. yet some people still dont understand why they want NPP so much.
This implies it.
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Originally posted by lada
be so kind please and go back to that quote and read 1st sentese again.
Stop thinking what im trying to saw and read once more again what i posted. you may find your answer.
I used the source you posted.
not sure what you are saying so please clarify. Making people figure out what you are asking instead just asking is a waste of both our times.
And you never did answer up for the power question. Here I will retype it for you.
Why would Iran not take the deal that involved the light water reactors?
You answered they dont provide as much power. That is not true.
In fact the reactor you linked to was actuall way less powerful than any current light water reactors. Then you posted a quote that had something to do with isotopes for agriculture.
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hehehe
mother russia doesn't even know where it's own nuclear materials are ... yeah, that's an airtight deal there with Iran...
no worries, if it needs attention, Israel will handle it when the time comes ....
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Originally posted by Eagler
hehehe
mother russia doesn't even know where it's own nuclear materials are ... yeah, that's an airtight deal there with Iran...
no worries, if it needs attention, Israel will handle it when the time comes ....
yep, I know where these are going....
Clarke: I can't explain anything, Alex. I'm just not aware of any changes that may be under consideration.
Q: But -- and I'm not suggesting there is a change. There is a sale that's been announced, a thousand JDAMs, to Israel. And it's at a time when the United States industry is working overtime, triple shifts, to get JDAMs back into the U.S. arsenal. So why, at this point when the U.S. is, you know, trying to, I think, build something like 12,000 of them, would you divert a thousand off to some other country
Clarke: The first part, again, I just don't think it's appropriate for us to talk about from here. The second part, in terms of making sure our people have the resources, the equipment, the ammunition that they need, I am absolutely confident that's being taken care of
DoD News Briefing - ASD PA Clarke and Gen. Rosa
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Originally posted by bustr
Do your scholorship:
This author (even i dont know him) have his own idea i dont agree with.
Thanks anyway for the link.
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Originally posted by Raider179
Using your source.
IR-40 is expected to produce 40MW thermal power, using a heavy water plant to supply its moderator and coolant.
There are light water reactors listed on that page that produce 40 MW. So now you are saying they need heavy water for isotopes for agriculture? What happened to the "they need it for power"
Also from your source...
The IR-40 heavy water research reactor is significant because it produces high quality plutonium, the most important component for a compact, nuclear device.
Western light water reactors which have been offered produce as much electricity than this IR-40. If not more. I cant find if 40MW is the same as 1500MWe but I gotta fly. will discuss it further.
yes .. i didnt say that its for agriculture ... you somehow pick that piece of text and start to laugh. here is first sentense from my quote.
Iran has stated that the IR-40 will be used for research and development, radioisotope production, and training.
I hope you dont imagine, that heavy water reactor produce instant WMD pointing on your village, anymore.
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I predict perpetual war. It'll keep the proles happy.;)
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(http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/umedia/20050310/cp.fc36a432b5d10a358e4bd5d08a352036)
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hehe nice joke OIO .. but only for those who know nothing about history of democracy in Iran.
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Originally posted by lada
yes .. i didnt say that its for agriculture ... you somehow pick that piece of text and start to laugh. here is first sentense from my quote.
I hope you dont imagine, that heavy water reactor produce instant WMD pointing on your village, anymore.
1)I didnt pick it, You quoted it as if to prove your point.
2) 1st you said Iran had huge power demans and they needed electricity. I provided you the deal that was offered of light water reactors. Now you say that they need it for the isotopes for medicine and agriculture. Tell you what they are gonna needs lots of medicine if they keep on trying to build a bomb.
3)See this today. Pakistan: Iran did get centrifuges.Pakistan's minister for information and broadcasting says that A.Q. Khan, the country's leading nuclear scientist, provided Iran with centrifuges that could be used in the process of making nuclear weapons.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/03/10/pakistan.iran/index.html
Wonder what they need centrifuges for.