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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SunTracker on March 06, 2005, 11:29:49 AM
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Oil is just as likely to go down or to the sides as it is to go on the windscreen. Oil leaks should effect engine performance, not visibility. Plus, my virtual pilot carries a rag and oil remover, so he would have cleaned his windshield had oil gotten on his screen.
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Well "less" oil would be nice, think it should "impair" you slightly but not to the degree it does now. Should make it harder to see but not almost impossible (gamewise - don't know or care about reallife).
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apparently youve never blown an engine.....the oil goes EVERYWHERE:D It is also a concession to reality where smoke or other visability effecting stuff may have filled the cockpit. In the past an oil hit was nothing more than a time limit till you had to disengage, and with the typical short distances in the MA, the damage didnt mean much...now thats fixed.
I would like to see some additional modeling for engine hits as well. All engine damage was not oil or coolant (which has been conspicuously missing in my experience as of late....maybe Im just good). I would like damage that effects performance:
Type 1 would just cause a loss of power, as in a missfiring cylinder(s), or loss of compression. I would run forever but at reduced power output. The amount of missing power could be represented with the way the 'miss' sound effect played, the more frequent the more power loss......think of an old car that runs like crap:aok
Type 2 would be more severe and involve a thrown rod or other major mechanical issue. This may reduce power, but the real effect would be that you could no longer use full power safely. Based on the damage level, the sound effect for the damage (think loud mettal wacking like) would get louder, and not only MAY it cause failure over time....higher power setting would cause progressively quicker deterioration of the engine.....till the evil cease:eek:
Ah well....just my 2¢
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Oil is just as likely to go down or to the sides as it is to go on the windscreen. Oil leaks should effect engine performance, not visibility. Plus, my virtual pilot carries a rag and oil remover, so he would have cleaned his windshield had oil gotten on his screen.
Actually, it does go over the windshield, but it is usually worse. I lost an engine once in a Cessna 172 and lost ALL forward visibility, not to mention the stench of the oil burning on the manifolds, and the smoke in the cockpit, and the stench of crap in my pants :).
I think it is FAIR in AH that you can at least see something :)
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I've blown a motor in my '74 Road Runner and lets just say it will spray EVERYWHERE.
If I had a tape recorder in the car you'd hear:
"My oil gauge is acting goofy."
"What do you mean?"
"Its going up and down."
"Its probably just old"
*WHAM! Wbbrrrrrrrrrrrrtttsss errrrrrrrrshhhh*
"Oh ****"
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ALF and co. nailed it on the head.
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Originally posted by Anchor
Actually, it does go over the windshield, but it is usually worse. I lost an engine once in a Cessna 172 and lost ALL forward visibility, not to mention the stench of the oil burning on the manifolds, and the smoke in the cockpit, and the stench of crap in my pants :)
How does landing work when that happens? You had to do it on instruments alone, I guess? Scary.
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yeah...ok...so it does go everywhere IRL.
but you can also open the canopy ~IRL.
there should at least be some randomizer for how much it covers your canopy, not the same full coat all over every time.
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Well hey ST, have HTC redesign the engines so that they don't need oil! While your virtual pilot has the window open, wiping off the windscreen with a rag (as the air rushes past at 300mph) why not have him "listen out" for enemies on your 6? Hope you enjoyed your first jet flight experience. Next time, ask them to seat you by a window that opens, so you can enjoy some fresh air during the flight. :aok
Did any of you see "Battle of Britain"? There's a scene in which a 109 takes a hit in the engine, and oil goes everywhere, completely obscuring the pilot's view.
Originally posted by DipStick
Well "less" oil would be nice, think it should "impair" you slightly but not to the degree it does now. Should make it harder to see but not almost impossible (gamewise - don't know or care about reallife).
Ah well that says it all. Hey, why not have HTC write gravity out of the game? Your aircraft would climb much faster and use less fuel! Better yet, as an unobscured view is so important, you wouldn't need wings (HTC could remove those) and you'd have a much better view of what was going on around you!
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Leave smartass.
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Originally posted by ALF
All engine damage was not oil or coolant (which has been conspicuously missing in my experience as of late....maybe Im just good).
Now that I think about it, I've NEVER had a radiator hit since AH2 came out. :confused:
PS... He did "leave" the game Morph cuz he suxxor'd but he can't leave the BBS cuz he has NO OTHER LIFE. Sad really... :(
PSS... "Did any of you see "Battle of Britain"? There's a scene".
Is that "real life" for you beet?
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Originally posted by DipStick
PSS... "Did any of you see "Battle of Britain"? There's a scene".
Is that "real life" for you beet?
Let's just say that the BoB film was a much more authentic re-enactment of WW2 aerial combat than your vision of a "flight sim"/*game* will ever be. Besides, other posters here have already said what it's like to have an oil leak in RL, and it concurs with that scene in BoB, so :p
Forgot to say that if you can persuade HTC to get rid of gravity, you'll be back to the good old days of 800yd shots! Heck, your ammo would travel in a straight line! Set your convergence to 20,000yds and let 'em rip. Yeah, baby! Think how much "fun" that would be. :):cool:
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yeah...ok...so it does go everywhere IRL.
but you can also open the canopy ~IRL.
there should at least be some randomizer for how much it covers your canopy, not the same full coat all over every time.
Now suddenly the importance of 'real life'?
I could swear I spotted some of us in this thread, writing in other threads concerning 'realism' issues like landings or trims and stuff, mentioning 'this isn't real life, so get over it yadayada..'.
And why would be a 'randomizer' in this instance be good, while another 'randomizer' regarding something like the 88mm flak is bad?
Not intended as a personal jab at you batfink, but I have to point out the inconsistencies of general thinking when it comes to realism. People have this weird tendency of loving realism in some cases, and hating it in other cases.
In this case the, the basic intentions on how they implemented the oil burst is so damn clear that I'm quite surprised to find anyone has got any beef with it.
The impairing of frontal vision is obviously intended on purpose. Many of the much more serious issues regarding oil bursts are left out because it's impossible to implement it in the game. For one thing, people aren't afraid of deaths. There's no smoke, no smell, no heat, no fear. The only 'discomfort' factor regarding engine damage is the fact a 'timer' is set on your engine, like ALF correctly pointed out.
How does the developer make us respect serious damage that doesn't immediately effect flight controls(so it doesn't feel much serious)?? By limiting outside vision. Simple, brilliant, and realistic method IMO.
Besides, it's not like the windshield is totally blacked out(as it would in most cases if a real leak ever happened). There's just enough visibility to make out the runways and safely land, but not enough to spot out enemy planes or target them.
If anything is perfectly done, it's the way it is.
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Well Just Fly the 38 :D Oil never gets in the way:D
Crims
479th Raiders
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Now that I think about it, I've NEVER had a radiator hit since AH2 came out/
Maybe it depends on the plane.
I've quite often got rad damage on many different planes. The IL2 typically has a very high chance of radiator damage when strafing tanks.. 109s have really vulnerable wingroot rads, which was damaged in many occasions.. Both in Tas and 190Ds I've experienced rad damage.. etc etc.
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some one posted an american ww2 real picture of a plane that got "hit in the oil".
All the windows were BLACK on that picture. I wonder if some one could post that pic again?
Actually, I wonder if a oil leak in AH could gradually get worse and worse, untill one cant see nothing but black lol.
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Question....was the oil just changed or old?
I have my mechanic change the oil after ever flight so if I take a hit to the engine the windshield should really look like coconut oil, right?
I can understand that there are many of you who never give yer mechanic a case of jungle juice to keep him going and never get your oil changed. Those who do that should have dirty oil all over the windscreen.
For those of us that do please, make the oil nice and clear.
:lol :rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rofl :lol :mad: :rofl
Ren
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Question....was the oil just changed or old?
I have my mechanic change the oil after ever flight so if I take a hit to the engine the windshield should really look like coconut oil, right?
Apparently, the planes in AH2 use graphite oils, so it's always jet black.
(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/oilleak.jpg)
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ahem... some nice planes had this pump to spray gasoline on the windshield... to spray away the oil... Howabout it ;)
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Now suddenly the importance of 'real life'?
I could swear I spotted some of us in this thread, writing in other threads concerning 'realism' issues like landings or trims and stuff, mentioning 'this isn't real life, so get over it yadayada..'. .............etc
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personally i have always been in favour of realism.
please correct/quote me if i have a bad memory.
i believe there is another thread in the works right now started by me requesting friendly collisions and no killshooter.
very rarely do I forget which side of the fence i sit on in any given topic, but I appologise if I have given the impression of wanting relaxed realism in the past.
but i understand your point, just it wasnt very relative to quote me when making it.
:)
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(excerpt taken from:
Franz Kurowski's:
BRIDGEHEAD KURLAND: The Six Epic Battles of Heeresgruppe Kurland
ISBN:
0 921991 66 5)
On 16 February 1945, I attacked enemy armor in my Focke Wolf 190. It had already gotten quite close to our main line of resistance in foggy weather about 10 kilometers southeast of Tukkum.
Three of my comrades closed up with me when I designated the target. We dove on the group of armor and fired our rockets. I was fortunate enough to knock out three enemy tanks in three passes. Three more were crippled by my comrades. Since I expended my rockets, I tried to destroy the remaining tanks, which had already turned back, with my on-board weapons. In the process my aircraft took one or two hits in the lubrication system and also in the compass connections.
Orientation was no longer possible. Vision forward was prevented by the oil film that built up on the front windshield. The cockpit canopy was also stuck, so I sat in my aircraft as if I were in a coffin.
When the engine oil ran out and the engine temperature rose, I had to make an emergency landing. I could only see to the rear, so, with a “look back” I landed on an open field near an abandoned artillery position about 30 meters from a farmstead and 80 meters from a high-tension electric line.
I am certain that my landing rates as a most extraordinary piece of good luck in aviation.
I had neither pistol nor identification with me. When I saw several soldiers in camouflage parkas draw near I grabbed the flare pistol from the cockpit and waited.
Again my luck held. They were Latvians from one of the two Latvian Waffen-SS divisions. They took me to their battalion command post.
I was well received in the grenadiers’ bunker and fed. Soon I was driven back to my airfield.
Incidentally, Erhard Jähnert received the knights cross on 18 May 1943 as a Leutnant flying stukas while attached to Stukageschwader 4.
Later as Staffelkäpitan of 9./Stukageschwader 2, he took part in that squadrons greatest success when it sank 3 soviet destroyers in the Black Sea south of the Crimea.
He was later removed from combat duty and assigned as an instructor. In the fall of 1944 at his own personal request he was transferred to the Kurland Bridgehead and made Staffelkäpitan of 2./Schlachtgeschwader 3.
He destroyed 25 Soviet tanks while flying the FW 190F-8 over Kurland.. On the day of surrender he took what passengers he could and flew out of Kurland and landed at Flensburg. He was put up for the oak leaves but in the hectic days just prior to German capitulation the award never went through.
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Originally posted by mechanic
yeah...ok...so it does go everywhere IRL.
but you can also open the canopy ~IRL.
there should at least be some randomizer for how much it covers your canopy, not the same full coat all over every time.
And then YOU get covered in oil. From all the books I've read on WWII combat, and oil leak caused major havoc, including removing forward visibility totally. I think it was Pierre Closterman who had the bright idea of opening the canopy when he had an oil leak, and he then lost forward visibility AND instruments, because the oil streamed into the cockpit. I think the minor impact we get is pretty gamey ;)
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good point there.
but obviously you never have flown a spitfire in AH and got an oil leak.
i would guess that 85% of the window is covered to the point of totaly obstructing visibilty.
however....in the 190, the visibilty is only reduced by about 40%
doesnt seem right considering the extract from a german pilot a few posts up.
is this to combat the 'spit dweeb' or is it simply to do with the shape of the canopies/possition of oil pipes and tanks in different planes?
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Graphite oil wasn't availabile in our theatre of operations (whereever that is and I can't tell you because loose lips sink ships). When we ran outa coconut oil some guys actually put whale oil in that this guy named Ishmal used to pedal. Unfortunately, you didnt know if someone snuck by and stole the oil to put into their lamps. Some guys didn't find out until after they had their wheels up. If they lived they came back really mad and said the whale oil was bad. They ran down to the docks looking for Ishmal so they could keelhaul him.
When they got down to the docks they heard this dude Ishmal had jumped on a ship that was heading out to sea. Everyone said, don't worry that guy Ihsmal's as good as dead. The ship he left on was Captained by some crazy guy that was after some rock band member named Dick. It seems this Dick had messed up Captains leg somehow and the crazy Captain was out for revenge. But, that's another story.
The wrecked crew figured Ishmal would prolly get his just rewards in Calcutta or Shanghai and never been seen again so they headed back to the field.
It wasn't til almost after the war (just beofer the Knits won it) that someone figured out locals were stealing whale oil.
Ren
:rofl :lol :lol :rofl :rofl
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Also the oil entering the cockpit / burning the pilot is not modeled.
Neither is hurricane's tendency to burst into a fireball when hit - the pilot sat right on the auxiliary fuel tank which resulted in horrendous pilot burns to those who survived.
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Scramble, I really laughed out loud in the office when I saw your picture.
Thats pretty funny....dont lose that one
:lol
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Well hey ST, have HTC redesign the engines so that they don't need oil! While your virtual pilot has the window open, wiping off the windscreen with a rag (as the air rushes past at 300mph) why not have him "listen out" for enemies on your 6? Hope you enjoyed your first jet flight experience. Next time, ask them to seat you by a window that opens, so you can enjoy some fresh air during the flight.
LOL, I really laughed at the 'listen out' part. It is possible to stand up in a plane going 200mph.
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My only gripe is that on some planes the oil splatter is a perfectly symetrical pattern...would like to see random splatters of varying vision impairment.
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Anchor- - -.....What was the "official" failure when you were flying your oil covered 172....
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Question....was the oil just changed or old?
I have my mechanic change the oil after ever flight so if I take a hit to the engine the windshield should really look like coconut oil, right?
I can understand that there are many of you who never give yer mechanic a case of jungle juice to keep him going and never get your oil changed. Those who do that should have dirty oil all over the windscreen.
For those of us that do please, make the oil nice and clear.
:lol :rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rofl :lol :mad: :rofl
Ren
You have a mechanic? Hmmm. I have a aussie (female) bartender who only puts non artificially colored single malt scotch in my engine.....:)
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Originally posted by cav58d
Anchor- - -.....What was the "official" failure when you were flying your oil covered 172....
A "main bearing" was the official cause. How that ruptured an oil line I don't know. The engine did not seize immediately, which is good because I was climbing out at the time.
The oil was on the windshield and passenger window. Rudder control kept the runway visible and it was really an uneventful landing...cept for the toilet paper later.
Ever since then, the slightest miss in an engine makes my arse eat the seats right off the seat frame.
Flying is a hobby for me now. I'm doing something less dangerous now...I'm a cop.
heh
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Oil is just as likely to go down or to the sides as it is to go on the windscreen. Oil leaks should effect engine performance, not visibility. Plus, my virtual pilot carries a rag and oil remover, so he would have cleaned his windshield had oil gotten on his screen.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Here are two thousand words worth of pictures to explain why complaining about the AH oil on the windscreen is silly. If we had it like the real deal, you'd really be hurting.
Thankfully both these Jugs made it back ok.
Kinda doubt a rag would have done much good :)
Dan
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1110174765_oilleak1.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1110174787_oilleak2.jpg)
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Hehe one step ahead of me Dan. I was going to ask someone to post that pic again.
:aok
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Dont let the enemy shoot at you from front.
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Yes that the pic I remembered.
How in earth did he get that plane down lol :confused:
So HTC should put even MORE oil on the windscreen.
And in pilot wound I want a voice goin "uh oh auch, well good they did not hit me in the, aaaaaah (black out)" :lol
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Graphite oil wasn't availabile in our theatre of operations
Minor detail - you're speaking about realism. Guys like Morpheus and Dipstick don't give a fork about realism.
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Yes that the pic I remembered.
How in earth did he get that plane down lol
So HTC should put even MORE oil on the windscreen.
And in pilot wound I want a voice goin "uh oh auch, well good they did not hit me in the, aaaaaah (black out)"
Well, those birds could open their canopies during the landing phase.
Since we can't do that in AH, the oil streaks are pretty much thin and semi-transparent. Enough nuisance to discourage combat, but not as menacing as to make landings totally impossible.
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So hot oil is spraying all over the airplane.
Opening the canopy sounds like a bright idea ;)
Thk g this is only a simulator.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Minor detail - you're speaking about realism. Guys like Morpheus and Dipstick don't give a fork about realism.
You didn't happen to read the rest of my response to the thread. As you say realism is important. Why do you think that guy Ishmal ran off to sea with crazy Captain who was out for revenge on this guitar player named Dick iso facing the wrath of the pilots. I thnk the bands name was Moby. But, wadoino?
:D
Ren
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maybe they should make it so we can open the canopy then raise up in the seat to get our heads above the screen to see, or maybe they could add choking from the smoke to the pilot .however i have noticed that i fight better when oil is on the screen ,hhmmm could be desperation.i would like to see rear view mirrors as next addition to the game to.maybe some 22 in. spintechs on my pony:D naww just kidding but if you fly a 38 you gonna have to learn to fly with a pilot wound so i guess that everyone else gets the oil treatment to even things out a little.
VIC
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Current oil spray is good.
I suspect is the key complaint is really that you can't continue to fight as if nothing is wrong - I like the fact that an oil hit essentially puts you on the defensive.
I don't see the issue with landing - visibility is easily enough for carrier landings.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Oil is just as likely to go down or to the sides as it is to go on the windscreen. Oil leaks should effect engine performance, not visibility. Plus, my virtual pilot carries a rag and oil remover, so he would have cleaned his windshield had oil gotten on his screen.
I have NO issue with oil on windscreen but certainly DO have one with the blood that spatters there!!!!
IMO it's just not necessary to the outcome or the enhancement of AH. What it is, however, is a very realistic depiction of gore. Something our younger people ( namely those pre-teens and early teens that fly here ) can do very well without.
Have'nt we, as a society, already exposed them to enough of that? Have'nt we made sure already that any feelings of humanity are negated by the desire to create a situation of blood and gore.......GET RID OF THE BLOOD htc before somegroup, interested in the welfae of children, files a lawsuit .
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Originally posted by java45
GET RID OF THE BLOOD htc before somegroup, interested in the welfae of children, files a lawsuit .
Ah - make AH politically correct! I agree, but the only change needed is to make the blood green instead of red. Then players can pretend to be Volcans in a game of Star Trek. Then just add a battery of photon torpedoes to the Spit V, and maybe the Romulan cloaking device to the LA7. Think of the FUN factor! :eek::cool:
Oh, and enable the tractor beam on the C47, and possibly the M3 - at least when carrying troops. Or maybe enable a transporter so that troops can simply beam down to the surface. After all, those troop drops are so tedious.
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Originally posted by java45
RID OF THE BLOOD htc before somegroup, interested in the welfae of children, files a lawsuit .
:rolleyes: :mad:
I'm sorry, but that's just pathetic. Further, I'd hardly call a bit of red pixels "realistic gore". As to the quasi-threat of a lawsuit, that's laughable.
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Originally posted by java45
GET RID OF THE BLOOD htc before somegroup, interested in the welfae of children, files a lawsuit .
Just 2 quick points here, before I get deleted.
A) Notice this thread is about oil hits.
B) That ranks very highly in the list of STUPIDEST ***** WHINES I'VE EVER HAD THE MISFORTUNE TO READ.
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I see every other first person shooter or MMOG that has 50 times the blood and guts of AH getting sued every day. Oh wait...
:rolleyes:
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I like the realism of the oil splatter. Atleast the smoke and fumes do not choke out the pilot in the cockpit, though the more realistic the better! IMHO :D
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Actually, the Bf109 and Fw190 both had tubes that ran along the windscreen that enabled the pilot to 'wash' off oil (or whatever else) with fuel, like your car windshield washer. We need that capability added to AH :aok
Also, I liked the oil leakage that Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe had, it would start spurting out and then keep getting denser and cover more of the windscreen the longer the engine ran.
Bazi
Cactus Air Force
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Originally posted by java45
I have NO issue with oil on windscreen but certainly DO have one with the blood that spatters there!!!!
IMO it's just not necessary to the outcome or the enhancement of AH. What it is, however, is a very realistic depiction of gore. Something our younger people ( namely those pre-teens and early teens that fly here ) can do very well without.
Have'nt we, as a society, already exposed them to enough of that? Have'nt we made sure already that any feelings of humanity are negated by the desire to create a situation of blood and gore.......GET RID OF THE BLOOD htc before somegroup, interested in the welfae of children, files a lawsuit .
Oh man, here we go. This is a "Combat" flight sim and not a petting zoo. I do believe that if a bullet or shrapnel hits human flesh, blood is inevitable. Not to mention this game already exposes those poor tender souls to the violence of SHOOTING in the first place! If they are going to play a COMBAT simulation then they should expect on ocasion to see blood, It is not like they actually depict brains hanging on the gun sight. Children see more on console games. Sorrry, I have to strongly disagree on that one. :)
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hehe, good job java
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Other damage like blown cylinders and stuck valves would be nice.
On my presolo final check ride I had a valve stick open. The engine performance dropped and it felt like I was riding in an unbalanced washing machine. It was 110 degrees in phoenix and the density altitude was off the charts. It was a chore getting the plane to climb back to alt (It stuck on throttle up after a simulated emergency decent) so we could land. The whole time oil temp gauge going deeper and deeper into the red. We were only 15 miles from the airport.
Thank goodness it didn’t stick down and blow the cylinder.
Anchor great job getting that one down. I can only imagine how tuff that was.
GrmRpr
For those detail nutz like me :)
--Cessna 172N was the ac.
--Field was KDVT Deer Valley
--Westwind Aviation
--Simulated Emergency Decent was done on AUX1 northwest of Goodyear and North of Luke.
--Didn't declare emergency- Had luke monitoring our progress home and KDVT had cleared us straight in and were aware of our situation.
--Instructor said I handled it well. As soon as the problem hit I yelled it's your plane! and immediatly awaited positive exchange of controls back to him ;) After he got it back into the climb he gave it to me and told me to redo the emergency checklist he had just done and to land it.
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Originally posted by Wurger
Also, I liked the oil leakage that Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe had, it would start spurting out and then keep getting denser and cover more of the windscreen the longer the engine ran.
Yea that was cool. Also liked the engine fire that got worse as you flew. If you didn't put it down you were a flamer.
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This thread has been punted. :rolleyes:
Sigh :(
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Originally posted by Guppy35
A picture is worth a thousand words. Here are two thousand words worth of pictures to explain why complaining about the AH oil on the windscreen is silly. If we had it like the real deal, you'd really be hurting.
Thankfully both these Jugs made it back ok.
Kinda doubt a rag would have done much good :)
Dan
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1110174765_oilleak1.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1110174787_oilleak2.jpg)
OK, how did they get home?
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I'd imagine they had someone winging close by that talked em back while they were on instruments and they then had to crank back the canopy to land hoping not to get too much oil in the face.
There was no definitive explaination with the photos although the pilot of the bubble top jug was listed and was with the 350th FG in Italy.
Dan
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More engine damage types would be terrific. When flying IL2/FB, on some occasions my throttle system was somehow damaged - the plane was stuck on full throttle and there was no way to slow down except turn the engine off in mid-air.
Was a cool experience.
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I can see the engine damage at the very top of the cowling. What if the engine had been hit lower?
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Originally posted by DipStick
OK, how did they get home?
- and was the US Air Force fined because they got back late? :lol
They got home because those radial engines could take enormous punishment and still function. IIRC they were air cooled, so the problem of taking a hit in the cooling system was not a factor. I once saw a picture of a plane with a radial engine, and one of the cylinders had been pretty much shot off - but the engine kept on going.
Now I'm not sure of the facts here, but consider this: In some cases, radial engines were built with two sets of radial cylinder arrangements, one behind the other. I would have thought that such an engine would be designed such that each set of cylinders has its own independent oil system, so that if one gets shot up, the other is still OK. That's probably what happened with those P47s.
Here is a picture of a P47 being rebuilt at Duxford. I'm fairly certain that what you can see here is two sets of radial cylinders on the same crankshaft.
(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/p47rebuild.jpg)
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Here is a picture of a P47 being rebuilt at Duxford. I'm fairly certain that what you can see here is two sets of radial cylinders on the same crankshaft.
That looks good and new!!
:aok
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
That looks good and new!!
:aok
Yes! I like the spinner - as shiny as Creamo's head! :cool:
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As much as I hate when I take an oil hit, it does add to the game and tactics used while fighting.
If you hit someones oil, you know that their visability is going to be greatly decreased. Many times if i'm in an engagement with multiple cons and I hit one of the cons oil, I will concentrate more on the other cons that can still see me fine.
I remember that picture of the Jug above when we had this talk a long while back about this same subject when AH2 first came out.
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"...my Bf 109 F took 11 direct hits from the tail gunner.We were flying without armoured glass in front of the windscreen,and I was lucky to escape unhurt,all the bullets smashed into my cockpit to the side of me.I was only just able to make a proper landing,although the tyre on the left-hand undercarriage had been shot through;moreover I couldn't see a thing,as the oil pump had been hit and my entire messerschmitt was like a sardine in oil.By opening the small sliding window on the side of the cockpit Hood I was just able to see enough to land properly..."
Lt Otto P Stammberger IIIrd Gruppe Jg 26 1941
If we didn't have oil damage people would ask for it.Opening hoods would be nice though. :)
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Originally posted by Anchor
Actually, it does go over the windshield, but it is usually worse. I lost an engine once in a Cessna 172 and lost ALL forward visibility, not to mention the stench of the oil burning on the manifolds, and the smoke in the cockpit, and the stench of crap in my pants :).
I think it is FAIR in AH that you can at least see something :)
He is right same thing happened to me in a Cessna the head gasket went was a real pain to land. Was like raining blackoil than the wind streaked it almost like AH.
Just fly 38 and you will not have this problem or going for the HO.
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beet1e, I'm no engineer, but logically if a planes loses all of its oil, it should mean it's entire lubrication system is gone for broke. Being air-cooled does not mean the airflow will always cool the engine in whatever situation. The Fw190A was also used a radial engine but had quite a few problems in getting enough airflow to cool the engines properly IIRC. They actually had to install an internal fan to help the cooling process, and this is a normal functioning engine we're talking about.
If a plane loses all of its oil, shouldn't it mean that the friction in the cylinders would cause dangerously high level of temperatures, whether it be air-cooled or not?
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Kwe
I'm not an engineer either. I was just going from titbits of information I've read while walking round military aviation museums, one being the case of the radial engine with a cylinder almost shot off. I was surprised too.
I don't know whether the engine used in the P47 had two separate radials as shown in my photo, nor indeed whether each had its own independent oil supply.
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Beetle....!
SILENCE!!1:mad:
:lol
How comes u never invite me to Europe?!
I like Euro Girls. :D
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Morph - you can come here whenever you like. It's a standing invitation! But if you come to my house, you can't leave until after 9am when everyone around here has gone to work, else they'll think I had a rent boy for the night. :D
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Rent Boy!?! I dont even want to know! lol
Can I rent a girl? Or two or three?
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Morph, talk to Furball. He doesn't care what his neighbors think, since they already know he keeps company with rent boys.
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Meh the oils fine, the blood is a JOKE.
i have never felt more "unharmed" by a pilot wounder in any other game,than in aces high.
haveing a wounded pilot is like, just a stupid timer that makes you black out on randome times, mostly when your about to land "LAME!!!" the same can be said about the engine oil, note how QUICK is starts to go empty the second you turn your nose twards home, and begain geting closer to base, BAM..the oil starts leaking faster..and faster..and fatser..ehy..miget..get out of my engine, i need that oil yah fuxer!
Ever get pilot wounded in janes ww2 fighters?
blood squirts all over the cockpit, your pilot SCREAMS..and SCREAMS..and grunts..and moans..then he does something you will NEVER see in aces high with pilots being wounded, HE DIES!.
you feal, your plane become more slugish as your pilot looses more and more blood "dieing" the view sweys arounda bit inside the cockpit to simulate a person "without alot of blood runing thru the brain".
and then after a few mins of watching the blood fly from your body, your pilot gives one last "agonizeing scream" ARRAAGH!..then he dies..and your plane do's whatever,untill it hits the ground.
on another side note: have you guys seen how planes HIT the ground in janes ww2 fighters? they hit and BLOW Up,im talking sounds,lights..plane parts...KABOOOOM!! "someone just crashed" not this cheesy little fire ball aces high has.
man, with all us dieing so much, youd figure a little added detail here and there would add alot to the game, seeing a plane fly down to ther ground on fire and smokeing, without wings..hits the ground and KABOOOOM.
dunno, in janes ww2 fighters, i always feal like im in combat, with aces high..im just simulating it.
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http://www.acepilots.com/planes/f4u_corsair.html (http://www.acepilots.com/planes/f4u_corsair.html)
"Each of fourteen cowl flaps had its own baby hydraulic cylinder to open and close it. These tended to leak. In addition, until the maintenance crews became expert, the big radial engine tended to throw a lot of oil. The combination rapidly coated the windshield and seriously decreased the airplane's inherently limited forward visibility. We all became expert at quickly locating rain showers through which we could fly in order to wash away the oil."
quoted from The Jolly Rogers, by Tom Blackburn and Eric Hammel
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http://www.aviation-history.com/vought/f4u.html (http://www.aviation-history.com/vought/f4u.html)
"In carrier landings it was practically impossible to see the Landing Signals Officer once the Corsair was lined up with the carrier deck on final approach. Adding to this problem were oil and hydraulic leaks from the engine compartment which seeped past the cowl flaps and smeared the windshield, further restricting visibility.
To alleviate the problem of oil and hydraulic fluid smearing the windshield, the Brits simply wired shut the cowl flaps across the top of the engine compartment, diverting the oil and hydraulic fluid around the sides of the fuselage."
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So regarding fouled windscreens, it looks like for at least the early F4U's, we've got it easy in AH compared to R/L.
Best Regards
Cement1
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One day I was driving down a highway in Alaska in my Karman Ghia convertible. I was about 75 yards behind an old station wagon when a big puff of smoke poofed off of it followed by a steady stream of smoke. Pretty soon drops of oil began appearing on my windshield. It made a big impression on me because it kind of felt like I got a freebie kill; it was very much like how I had always imagined scoring an air to air engine hit would look like. I could certainly see through the oil, but I was 75 yards behind the blown engine.
eskimo
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off topic, what do you use to make gif's eskimo. and is it simple or any simple programs?
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Originally posted by yayyyy
off topic, what do you use to make gif's eskimo. and is it simple or any simple programs?
Its very easy, and you can do a lot with it:
GIF Construction Set Professional (http://www.mindworkshop.com/alchemy/gifcon.html)
eskimo
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ok i downloaded it, where do i start? i tried uploading a gif i had on computer but it wouldnt play it was a still image when i hit preview :confused:
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Originally posted by yayyyy
ok i downloaded it, where do i start? i tried uploading a gif i had on computer but it wouldnt play it was a still image when i hit preview :confused:
Open the program, click: File > Open > find your GIF.
Click on the sun glasses.
If it doesn't play, its probably not an animated GIF.
Check out the help files.
eskimo
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will do..........did you purchase it or you use the free version with the talking everytime you exit?
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Originally posted by beet1e
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They got home because those radial engines could take enormous punishment and still function. IIRC they were air cooled, so the problem of taking a hit in the cooling system was not a factor. I once saw a picture of a plane with a radial engine, and one of the cylinders had been pretty much shot off - but the engine kept on going.
Now I'm not sure of the facts here, but consider this: In some cases, radial engines were built with two sets of radial cylinder arrangements, one behind the other. I would have thought that such an engine would be designed such that each set of cylinders has its own independent oil system, so that if one gets shot up, the other is still OK. That's probably what happened with those P47s.
Here is a picture of a P47 being rebuilt at Duxford. I'm fairly certain that what you can see here is two sets of radial cylinders on the same crankshaft.
(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/p47rebuild.jpg)
The little cylinders things at the front bottom of the engine are the oil coolers. A little behing it, are respectively a wind deflector, then the oil cooler exit. The big yellow tank just ahead of the cockpit is the oil tank.