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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Samiam on March 07, 2005, 12:21:58 PM
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'nuf said.
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6 time F1 champion. NUFF SAID:aok
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I've given up hope of the FIA ever doing anything about his ridiculous blocking.
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theres no F1 w/o schumiiiii :D
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Originally posted by wombatt
6 time F1 champion. NUFF SAID:aok
That doesn't mean he's not a first rate jerk.
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Originally posted by wombatt
6 time F1 champion. NUFF SAID:aok
I thought he had 7 championships...
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Originally posted by Panzzer
I thought he had 7 championships...
You might be right I think he is going after 6 in a row this year.
Look who really cares if they think he is a jerk?
I mean how many of you have ever even met him?
I don't think any of us can fully understand what pressure the guy is under.
From what i have read there is alot more to being an F1 driver than whats on the surface.
Has to deal with the people at Ferrari and his team.
Then theres the fans orcoures must keep them happy.
Oh and lets not forget about the press LOL.
When you are as good as he is everyone expects you to win.
Including his bosses at Ferrari.
Is he aggressive ? Heck yeah he is understand that in his mind he simply must be in first position or life is all bad LOL.
He along with all the drivers are competitors and by there very nature they are arrogant and aloof.
You really don't have to admire the guy but atleast be honest with
yourself and say you would trade jobs with him any day
Being the worlds highest paid athlete is a tough job.
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Wombatt funny thing is that many folks who are this good are hated and expected to do wonders all the time.
Jeff Gordon is a perfect example. I watched him racing as a kid at Kings Speedway in midgets and doing shoot outs in Sprints. He beat virtually everyone when he was in midgets. Because of California law he wasn't allowed to actually compete in any actual sprint car races because of his age so instead he did time trial shootouts. He competed against top names in the sprint car world like Brent Kaeding and Jimmy Sills. At the age of 16 he was not only beating these guys who had years of experience but beating them by a very substantial margin.
Jeff Gordons family moved him to Australia because there was no laws against 16 year olds racing. He did extremely well there and then returned to the states. Then his Nascar career started and he whooped butt there and people hated him for it. Then the same people who loved him hated him later when he wasn't always first.
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Athlete!!!! Good God all he does is sit in a car and make minor adjustments to the steering. He's no athlete. just a very highly paid passenger. F1 is not about the driver its about the car.
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Der Verängstige.
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Didn't say anything about hating him and I enjoy watching him win a good race.
But the one thing he's almost as consistent at as winning is making very questionable manuvers and then blaming the results on someone else.
One of two conclusions can be drawn:
- His skills are sorely lacking in real race situations and he only excels in the clear with a superior car.
- He's an out and out hack and intentionally makes these types of moves to send the message that you challenge him at your own peril, even if you are the better package that day.
Take your pick, he's dangerous.
Scoff at the criticisms as jelousy - that's what he does - but if I were Heidfeld I'd pick an opportune time to pound him one in the nose out of principle.
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Who is schumii and what is an F1?
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Schum did the same thing to Damon Hill and J.Villeneuve...
and that is INTENTIONAL Blocking...
never liked him, his 6 world champ are nothing fantastic in my book...best package does not equal best driver.
Schum is the best at 1 lap time trials, better then Senna in my book, but not as good as Gilles Villeneuve pure driving talents, any Tifosi nows that...
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Originally posted by SLO
Schum did the same thing to Damon Hill and J.Villeneuve...
and that is INTENTIONAL Blocking...
never liked him, his 6 world champ are nothing fantastic in my book...best package does not equal best driver.
Schum is the best at 1 lap time trials, better then Senna in my book, but not as good as Gilles Villeneuve pure driving talents, any Tifosi nows that...
Senna is in a league of his own, then Fangio and Clark. Schumi is nothing special. He intentionally blocks, and will not touch Senna's Pole Position record. Nor the 75% of Pole position's that Senna got, he finished first.
Karaya
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He's an athlete in the physical exertion he puts on himself. Can you control a car at 140MPH through an S curve? Sure they have power steering and what not but I think it's still hard to complete the moves at high speed over and over.
BTW Shumii=Michael Shumacher
F1=Formula 1 racing
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Schumi is nothing special. He intentionally blocks, and will not touch Senna's Pole Position record.
Schumacher wins. I thought that was the point.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Schumacher wins. I thought that was the point.
Senna didn't have to block. He traded paint with a rival named Prost, but Schumacher is a b****. Senna's teammates never "slowed up" to give Ayrton the checker or get a lap back.
Schumie wouldn't know class if he was in school. Senna also owned Schumie. Take Schumie out of Ferrari and onto another team, he'll be out after 5 years.
Karaya
PS - Senna is the best there ever was. That is the point.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
PS - Senna is the best there ever was. That is the point.
I always thought of this guy as the best.
(http://home.flash.net/~dralstin/pictures-jpg/JummyClark.jpg)
He did it without downforce.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I always thought of this guy as the best.
(http://home.flash.net/~dralstin/pictures-jpg/JummyClark.jpg)
He did it without downforce.
Read the post you replied too. I mentioned Clark. You're reinventing the wheel here.
Karaya
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Originally posted by wombatt
6 time F1 champion. NUFF SAID:aok
Sparky, he's a 7 time champ, edit your post.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Read the post you replied too. I mentioned Clark. You're reinventing the wheel here.
Karaya
I did read your post.
I just pointed out that Schumacher wins.
Faulting him for winning in a sport where the point is passing and then not being passed is like saying Tiger cheats because his drives are longer than most.
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"Nice guys finish last"
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Senna didn't have to block. He traded paint with a rival named Prost, but Schumacher is a b****. Senna's teammates never "slowed up" to give Ayrton the checker or get a lap back.
Schumie wouldn't know class if he was in school. Senna also owned Schumie. Take Schumie out of Ferrari and onto another team, he'll be out after 5 years.
Karaya
PS - Senna is the best there ever was. That is the point.
Traded paint? Senna deliberately swerved and blocked Prost at Estoril in 1988 almost putting Prost into the pit wall. Later Senna speared Prost's Ferrari off the track at Suzuka 1990 at the first corner to guarantee his championship win, and because Senna accused FIA President Jean-Marie Balestre of manipulating the World Championship to favor Prost.
Schumacher helped build Ferrari to the team they are. He is an integral part of the teams success.
He was also winning races when the Ferrari was a bathtub. To say it's all just the red car, is saying Senna was nothing without the McLaren Honda.
Tronsky
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mrblack, reality check. You’re spouting off just to post. You have never watched a F1 race start to finish, or understand the series. Much like most Americans, which is not a bad thing. I bet Funky or Krappy does, but you? I would understand it if your input was for a Nascar race, as SRV fans might have a clue.
Best to let something you know nothing about take it’s course here on the BBS without trying to coming off like you know something, as it’s obvious you don’t.
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(http://www.spa-francorchamps.be/gfx/report2001/gpf1/4dimanche/images/01-shumacher.jpg)
driver?
(http://www.corriere.it/Media/Foto/2004/07_Luglio/24/ROSSI--420x300.JPG)
Athlete?
:D
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Athlete!!!! Good God all he does is sit in a car and make minor adjustments to the steering. He's no athlete. just a very highly paid passenger. F1 is not about the driver its about the car.
What u say ?? Its an exhausting job and u have to have withstand alot of G's .
Ever drove a bit cart ?
its topsport therefor these guys are ahtletes. They have to train their condition etc. Do fitness.
Ever seen a fat hamburger eating F1 driver??
Who says an marathon runner can drive the F1 i bet it would be hard because he has to use another muscles and keep the concentration sharp until the race is over.
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regarding the topic, there will allways be the fans who adore him,
and others who hate him. Same was with Senna, and other former
great Race drivers. His crash with quick Nick was avoidable maybe,
maybe not. Nick was not even close to be beside Schumi and ready
for outbraking, its his fault to.
I see this incident as a usual race-incident, both drivers fault.
Thanks no one is injured, lets go to the next race.
And btw. comparing former race drivers with present racers dont
work, they didnt drive against each others. How can you say one
is better then the other? Statistics? this can't work too, the rules
changed to much the last 50 years. Every time has its race heros.
Well there was this guy, dont know his name, who said
a Racer is only good as his last race.
R
Gh0stFT
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
What u say ?? Its an exhausting job and u have to have withstand alot of G's .
Ever drove a bit cart ?
its topsport therefor these guys are ahtletes. They have to train their condition etc. Do fitness.
Ever seen a fat hamburger eating F1 driver??
Who says an marathon runner can drive the F1 i bet it would be hard because he has to use another muscles and keep the concentration sharp until the race is over.
That and you have to poop in your suit.
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Ok I concede. Driving F1 is hard work.
Riding a moto GP bike is also very hard work. I guess you pays your money and takes your choice. My choice is not to pay the extortionate fees Mr Ecclestone wants and to go and watch Moto GP and the like. You get more races for your substantialy fewer bucks, can see the rider working hard, you get more overtakes, and drama in one race than the whole F1 season, and its just so much more accessible.
Just a few reasons. But if you love your F1 procession parade thing then hey who am I to put you off?
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Originally posted by Skydancer
hey who am I to put you off?
Absolutely nobody.
(Hey, you asked :p)
-Sik
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Riding a moto GP bike is also very hard work.
Definitly !!
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Originally posted by -tronski- Traded paint? Senna deliberately swerved and blocked Prost at Estoril in 1988 almost putting Prost into the pit wall. Later Senna speared Prost's Ferrari off the track at Suzuka 1990 at the first corner to guarantee his championship win, and because Senna accused FIA President Jean-Marie Balestre of manipulating the World Championship to favor Prost.
yes that was a great race, lotsa drama. Prost was a true professional.
Schumacher helped build Ferrari to the team they are. He is an integral part of the teams success.
He was also winning races when the Ferrari was a bathtub. To say it's all just the red car, is saying Senna was nothing without the McLaren Honda.
Tronsky
yep. although I think if senna if he had not passed away there would have been some great races between a more seasoned schumacher and senna. Back then, senna had his rivals in prost who was his perfect rival and mansell could out drive them both on occasions. Every now an then someone beets Schumi because his car is broken.
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and if you want my opinion, they should find a way to decrease the wheel base (yet keep the driver safe somehow). todays F1 cars are too unforgiving, thats why theres not as much passing and the mansell types cant get away with anything because todays F1 tires suck compared to pure slicks.
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so if you increase the wheel base of an F1 car what does that do. It causes it to understear earlier and overstear later into a turn is the general affect. So in a race when a driver wants to go all balls out and risk it to pass and the car hes driving is unforgivable in mid turn (meaning once its pass a certain point, fiorget it) then that tends to happen less often. Thats my opinion, debate me if you like, please dont flame me.
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
so if you increase the wheel base of an F1 car what does that do. It causes it to understear earlier and overstear later into a turn is the general affect. So in a race when a driver wants to go all balls out and risk it to pass and the car hes driving is unforgivable in mid turn (meaning once its pass a certain point, fiorget it) then that tends to happen less often. Thats my opinion, debate me if you like, please dont flame me.
I could be totally off the market here, but I'll take at shot at it... A shortened wheelbase is also going to make a shorter car overall, further reducing downforce. You'd end up with cars that could blow down the straights, but slower in the corners. Since you make up your time in the corners & not on the straights, this wouldn't lead to more passing, and it would be inherrently more dangerous for the drivers. Ask the IRL guys if they think less downforce is a good idea :) They're having to drive far more dangerous than they used to as of just last season.... now if those bastard Hondas would just drive alittle slower...
Lastly, the last thing you want is the cars slower in the corners. After Schumi's performance @ Suzuka last year, every car out there needs all the speed it can handle in the corners just to be competative :)
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Indy I've been watching motor racing since I first saw the german grand prix back in '85. Id prefer the sparks came back as well. when I watch the F1 cars today, they seem clumsy and only seem to shine when they are using their aerodynamics in fast direction changing S combos etc... but thats not where the passing is usually done. They had the formula correct years back just before comfuter aided traction control etc was invented. Also I prefer to watch them race with pure slicks since this is grand prix racing. Also they should have two US GPs.
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F1 drivers are over paid drama queens, Schui being the biggest queen of all. Compare their altitudes to the legends of 40 years ago. Never thought of any type of car racing as tough since your always sitting down. True you get a few lat g's in F1 I think WRC is much tougher.
When it comes to motorsports,physical fitness and toughness this makes anything else look girlie. Except speedway of course :)
(http://www.gilera.cz/wz/Dakar2002/massimo_china3.jpg)
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
Indy I've been watching motor racing since I first saw the german grand prix back in '85. Id prefer the sparks came back as well. when I watch the F1 cars today, they seem clumsy and only seem to shine when they are using their aerodynamics in fast direction changing S combos etc... but thats not where the passing is usually done. They had the formula correct years back just before comfuter aided traction control etc was invented. Also I prefer to watch them race with pure slicks since this is grand prix racing. Also they should have two US GPs.
I wouldn't go as far to say a 240mph, 19k redlining, 1g of braking just from letting off the gas pedal car is clumsy :) but I know what you're talking about. Really, I don't watch F-1 for the racing. I watch it because the best cars in the entire world are on 1 track going as fast as they possibly can. When I wanna see 3-wide fender to fender, rubbin's racin', and 180mph traffic jams... I watch NASCAR :)
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Gixer you are right there.
:aok
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Originally posted by Gixer
Never thought of any type of car racing as tough since your always sitting down
...-Gixer
I dont know, everytime i drive race carts around our local track
im done after 15minutes, i mean im really done, exhaust, wet to
the pants (if i really push for some hotlaps). And all this while having girly G-force compared to
the F1 G-forces LOL! ;)
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Carts as in go-carts that kids race? 15mins? Sorry but that's a bit sad.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Never thought of any type of car racing as tough since your always sitting down. True you get a few lat g's in F1 I think WRC is much tougher.
...-Gixer
5 G's under braking.....3-5 G's accelerating...2 G's+ lateral sustained in turns...
Tronsky
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Originally posted by -tronski-
5 G's under braking.....3-5 G's accelerating...2 G's+ lateral sustained in turns...
Tronsky
All that while sitting down and never having to move your own weight? Amazing, how do they cope? The races are usually less then 2 hours,majority of their time isn't spent anywhere near those peaks. They have nice big trailers to relax in with their wifes and girlfriends that always seem to be models in between practice,qualifying and racing. That and the smallest injury and their rushed to hospital and take the rest of the season off.
...-Gixer
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A different Schumacher (Tony)
(http://www.nhra.com/streetlegal/images/whatis01.jpg)
6 g's 0 - 330mph (550 kph+/-) in 4.5 seconds
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Athlete!!!! Good God all he does is sit in a car and make minor adjustments to the steering. He's no athlete. just a very highly paid passenger. F1 is not about the driver its about the car.
what a completely asenine thing to say.
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+5 G tops? let'em taste a negative snap roll and see how they react.
Daniel
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Originally posted by Gixer
Carts as in go-carts that kids race? 15mins? Sorry but that's a bit sad.
...-Gixer
That is kinda sad unless he's talking about racing karts :) Those will out accelerate a bike & corner harder too. The "suspension" is just the flex of the frame itself, so good lines means you've only got 3 wheels on the ground when you hit the apex. They'll wear you out pretty quick once the fear & adrenaline ease up. Most fun I've ever had on 4-wheels.
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Originally posted by Gixer
Carts as in go-carts that kids race? 15mins? Sorry but that's a bit sad.
i dont knwo if its for kids, they have aprox 18-24 Hp
and on a long straight they are up to 120Km/h fast.
But maybe i'm just getting old, lol
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
yes that was a great race, lotsa drama. Prost was a true professional.
yep. although I think if senna if he had not passed away there would have been some great races between a more seasoned schumacher and senna. Back then, senna had his rivals in prost who was his perfect rival and mansell could out drive them both on occasions. Every now an then someone beets Schumi because his car is broken.
I remember watching the 1992 Silverstone GP. When Senna ran out of gas, prolly the best race I've ever watched. Then Mansell picked up Senna on the victory lap.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Skydancer
(http://www.spa-francorchamps.be/gfx/report2001/gpf1/4dimanche/images/01-shumacher.jpg)
driver?
(http://www.corriere.it/Media/Foto/2004/07_Luglio/24/ROSSI--420x300.JPG)
Athlete?
:D
Don't make me bring motocross into this.
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Originally posted by Gixer
All that while sitting down and never having to move your own weight? Amazing, how do they cope? The races are usually less then 2 hours,majority of their time isn't spent anywhere near those peaks. They have nice big trailers to relax in with their wifes and girlfriends that always seem to be models in between practice,qualifying and racing. That and the smallest injury and their rushed to hospital and take the rest of the season off.
...-Gixer
wanna race?
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/481_1106459114_dsc00805.jpg)
150Mph top speed and the twin cyl ones do 165mph.
Eddie Lawson at Laguna Seca was the fastest thing on the track exept the top class of American Le Mann's cars.