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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JB88 on March 09, 2005, 02:24:01 AM
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Kids say the darndest (most Stalinist) things
By Bill Maher
A new survey found that a majority of high schoolers think newspapers should not be allowed to publish without government approval. And almost one in five said that Americans should be prohibited from expressing unpopular opinions.
Lemme tell you little darlings something: This is my livelihood you're messing with, so either learn the Bill of Rights or you don't deserve Social Security.
Now, to those of you who think I'm overreacting: Yes, I understand that when you're in high school you're still very young and that no one really cares what kids say anyway -- it's not like priests are dating you for your brains.
But the younger generation is supposed to rage against the machine, not for it; they're supposed to question authority, not question those who question authority.
And what's so frightening is that we're seeing the beginnings of the first post-9-11 generation -- the kids who first became aware of the news under an "Americans need to watch what they say" administration, the kids who've been told that dissent is un-American and therefore justifiably punished by a fine, imprisonment -- or the loss of your show on ABC.
President Bush once asked, "Is our children learning?" No -- they isn't. A more appropriate question might be, "Is our teachers teaching?"
In four years, you can teach a gorilla sign language. Is it too much to ask that in the same amount of time a kid be taught what those crazy hippies who founded this country had in mind?
I know, the Morals & Values folks want us to take time out of the school day for prayer and the Ten Commandments and abstinence training and at least two theories of evolution -- the one agreed upon by every scientist in the world and the one that involves naked ladies and snakes -- but, lest we forget, last month the people of Iraq risked death and danger to send a simple, inspiring message: America, get out of our country. But also, we want the freedoms you take for granted.
Now, I didn't mind being on the losing side of the last election. But as a loser, I guess I have some "unpopular" opinions -- and I'd like to keep them.
I'd even like to continue to say them right out loud on TV, because if I just get up there every Friday night and spout the Bush administration's approved talking points, that's not freedom or entertainment. It's Fox News.
Bill Maher is the host of HBO's "Real Time With Bill Maher."
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By Bill Maher
but, lest we forget, last month the people of Iraq risked death and danger to send a simple, inspiring message: America, get out of our country.
"This is a new birth for Iraq," Iraqi election commission spokesman Farid Ayar said while announcing results. Iraqi voters "became a legend in their confrontation with terrorists."
Bill Maher used to be funny. Now he's just an idiot.
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Wait, when was Bill Maher funny?
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Yeah, yeah, .... I enjoyed his earlier non-political stuff. He was one of those "Did you ever look at it from this angle?" type comics.
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perhaps he isnt or wasnt. not really concerned with that aspect.
what struck me was the concept.
and the stats on the kids.
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He got the fact about the Iraq elections wrong, what makes you think any of the rest of his piece is any good?
I just read a new survey that just came out says many will take your word for it if you start your assertion with, "A new survey that just came out says".
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lol.
note. i described it as an interesting concept. not offering any validity to its accuracy.
just read it and posted it. didnt offer an opinion.
i would be interested to know if this is true.
i somehow got to it hyperlinked
down the line from drudge IIRC.
wide arcs.
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Originally posted by SOB
Wait, when was Bill Maher funny?
He was funny the other night when he and Churchill were stroking each other's ovaries and yapping about how the people in the WTC deserved their fate.
:rolleyes:
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Link to the transcript please? I find that hard to believe and want to read it for myself.
Thanks!
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My favorite part was
But the younger generation is supposed to rage against the machine, not for it; they're supposed to question authority, not question those who question authority.
Translation:
Man I hate it when young kids don't fall for my liberal BS. :rolleyes:
I used to watch his show till he went too political. It was fun to watch the guests (mostly Hollywood types) try to sound intelligent.
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Like most liberals... ol billie feels betrayed by the "youth" that he panders to.
So... like all liberals he lashes out at em in a truly emotional and effeminate way "dates for priests".
It is a dillema for the left... they need minorities, women and mush headed children to buy their line... they feel they have a lock on "womens issues", minority lackies and..... the entire education system. It infuriates them when someone steps out of the party line.
It is like when an American jew personality goes agaisnt em... David Horrowitz for instance, they come unglued and rant and rave and say the cruelest things they can think of. Blacks aren't "black enough" now... kids who don't tow the line are "dates for priests"
On the other hand... I allways figure that high schoolers are just growing up and forming opinions and...
who but someone like 88 or some commie HBO exec would even bother to read what billie said in the first place?
lazs
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last month the people of Iraq risked death and danger to send a simple, inspiring message: America, get out of our country. But also, we want the freedoms you take for granted
How is this untrue? The Iraqi elections were the first step towards ending the U.S. occupation of Iraq.
As for taking elections for granted... this is a true statement, IMHO. Far too many people in this country do not vote.
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I think the youth of today are rebeling.
They've grown up in the times where the media aggressively tries to infring it's narrow opinion on them and it doesn't feel right to them.
There might be a day in the future, probably far future, where Freedom of Speech is reigned in more.... and it will be because of how the corporate media groups have abused it to make a buck.
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Originally posted by Martlet
He was funny the other night when he and Churchill were stroking each other's ovaries and yapping about how the people in the WTC deserved their fate.
:rolleyes:
missed that one. i've only seen one episode this season that i know of.
i find miller far better at the rant.
if im not mistaken, it is actually of of his diatribes from the show appearantly. i'll have to dig up the source but i dont recall seeing where they got the numbers from. sorry oboe, forgot to link the source.
at least you watched one martlette, always better to have an opinion having the perspective from which to judge it.
i can respect that.
and here i was thinking that you wouldnt break from fox news long enough to take in another show.
;)
dennis miller is far better at the art of the rant. IMHO.
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What study? There was no reference listed. No study quoted so that the result could be confirmed. No error factor or information regarding the mechanics of the study and the size of the study group. Simply alleging a study found something isn't any kind of verification of a statement without having the study listed so that it could be shown to be a valid study or if one was even done.
Old saw: there are 3 kinds of liars. Liars, damnded liars and statisticians.
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Originally posted by oboe
Link to the transcript please? I find that hard to believe and want to read it for myself.
Thanks!
I have no idea where he lists his transcripts.
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Originally posted by oboe
Link to the transcript please? I find that hard to believe and want to read it for myself.
Thanks!
http://www.cincypost.com/2005/03/07/maher030705.html
More info on the survey:
http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Feb05/160205New_generation.html
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Originally posted by Martlet
I have no idea where he lists his transcripts.
Here's a site that's hosting the clip. (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/03/04.html#a1786)
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
He got the fact about the Iraq elections wrong, what makes you think any of the rest of his piece is any good?
They were playing a TV commercial in Iraq before the election, it showed American troops and tanks going down a road and the tag line was " You vote, they leave."
So how wrong was Bill Mahr?
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so the only reason the iraqis voted was because one commercial said that if they voted the mean old Americans would leave?
Are you sure that is what your wife told you?
lazs
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I actually watch Bill Maher's show on HBO. I think it is somewhat informative and a funny.
I don't agree with probably 80% of his guests. In fact most of his guest's make my skin crawl (moore, tim robbins, ect) but the other night he managed to get robin williams. It was great because finally he had somone on the show that was funny but yet had a very common sensical approach to things....not nescesarily left or right.
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Originally posted by lazs2
so the only reason the iraqis voted was because one commercial said that if they voted the mean old Americans would leave?
Are you sure that is what your wife told you?
lazs
She sent the memo to 'misogynists anonymous', didn't you get it?
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GScholz
A sad new low even for you.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by midnight Target
They were playing a TV commercial in Iraq before the election, it showed American troops and tanks going down a road and the tag line was " You vote, they leave."
So how wrong was Bill Mahr?
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak - sure to win his own country's much-less-democratic vote later this year - telephoned Allawi to congratulate him on the smooth election, saying he hoped it would "open the way for the restoration of calm and stability" in Iraq.
Iraq's elections are a "good omen for getting rid of dictatorship," said Yemeni political science student Fathi al-Uraiqi.
"Now I feel that Saddam is really gone," said Fatima Ibrahim, smiling as she headed home after voting in Irbil. She was 14 and a bride of just three months when her husband, father and brother were rounded up in a campaign of ethnic cleansing under Saddam. None have ever been found.
ASKAN, Iraq (AP) - In the "triangle of death," where voting is a life-threatening experience, Karfia Abbasi held up her ink-stained finger, elated that for the first time she has been able to cast a ballot for someone besides Saddam Hussein.
"This is democracy," Abbasi said. "This is the first day I feel freedom."
My apologies...I was wrong... Bill Maher is 100% dead bang right... none of the above quotes, taken from news stories about the Iraqi election holds water. No Iraqi stuck a stained finger in the collective eye of the insurgency.
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Oh my. I had no idea anyone reads what Maher writes or listens to what he says. I have leanred something today... carry on.
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Originally posted by Steve
Oh my. I had no idea anyone reads what Maher writes or listens to what he says. I have leanred something today... carry on.
For me its kinda like a liberal listening to Rush Limbaugh for the "entertainment value"
that's just me though.
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>>For me its kinda like a liberal listening to Rush Limbaugh for the "entertainment value"
that's just me though.<<
You know, while I'm nowhere near liberal, I used to listen to Rush when he was funny (late 80's when he had a Compuserve forum). Then, after Bush Sr. invited him to the White House for a sleep over in the Lincoln bedroom, well he just got whinney and annoying (IMO)
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I'd really like to see this "study" he refers to. My initial instict is to call BS on it.
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I could care less what you old farts read:p
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Originally posted by GScholz
Mission accomplished. :D
Seriously though, if Maher isn’t just exaggerating, the attitude shown by those high school kids reminds me of the Hitlerjungen, or perhaps the Communist youth? Authoritarian bastards.
Maybe so, but I would disagree with the assertion that it comes from any type of political pressure. In fact, it really is the exact opposite. When you have a generation being taught by profession known as a bastion of liberals, companies that do nothing other than figure out how to better market to that generation through mostly liberal media outlets, and they start to rebel... who are they going to rebel against? Parents that both have jobs & barely enough time for their children, or the groups trying to pound ideas into their heads? Kids are going to rebel against whoever is trying hardest to mold them, and currently, it's the media, advertisers, & educators.
Which do you think highschoolers saw more of, VOTE OR DIE! on MTV or GWB campaign commercials?
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Originally posted by Stratocaster
I could care less what you old farts read:p
I think you meant that you could not care less. ;)
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"She sent the memo to 'misogynists anonymous', didn't you get it?"
she writes to some group called "misogynists anonymous"? No wonder you see misogynists in every closet... perhaps that was a bad reference...
heck (hi mrs... ms MT..er ms-MT) I don't mind talking to your wife through you at all really... I'm just glad you quit using the expression "you go girl".
Indy.. I think that is about it.. the liverals have complete control over education and it really frosts their butt when the brainwashing doesn't take. Kids are kids... they will allways rebel. If they didn't I would worry.
lazs
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I think school can play a huge part, I have several friends who went off to university conservitive, and came back flaming liberals.
Hell one came back from england a full on Commie. No joke he was all about how comunism would solve all the worlds problems.
Punk now works for Cab Gemini as an SAP consultant bringing in BIG cash...
LOL still a lib but has decided Comunism is not bad.
Still oh so worried about the plight of the poor though.
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Originally posted by Stang
I'd really like to see this "study" he refers to. My initial instict is to call BS on it.
Results.
http://firstamendment.jideas.org/downloads/future_final.pdf
Blank survey.
http://firstamendment.jideas.org/downloads/student_survey.pdf
I find it interesting that the "liberal" teachers and media are being blamed for this.
Isn't Fox the most watched news station. Aren't the Republicans holding the Sentate, House and Presidency? Didn't Americans vote them in? If these kids don't know about or care about their Constitutional rights I think there is probably another explanation.
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>For me its kinda like a liberal listening to Rush Limbaugh for the "entertainment value"
that's just me though.<<
You know, while I'm nowhere near liberal, I used to listen to Rush when he was funny (late 80's when he had a Compuserve forum). Then, after Bush Sr. invited him to the White House for a sleep over in the Lincoln bedroom, well he just got whinney and annoying (IMO)
But he has such wonderful TIES! lol
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
LOL still a lib but has decided Comunism is not bad.
It's not necessarily a bad design. It's the implementation that sucks. ;)
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LOL sandy, it is a bad design in that it does not acount for a key part of human nature.
IE lazy people.
lazy people ruin the system.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
LOL sandy, it is a bad design in that it does not acount for a key part of human nature.
IE lazy people.
lazy people ruin the system.
Don't forget the greedy people as well. :)
Question... does it not work because of culture or because of human nature?
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What culture in the world does not have greedy and lazy people.
They all do, its a human thing.
Hence commyism is always doomed to failure on a large scale.
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sandie is correct.... communism is not bad unless it is implemented.
lazs