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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Jester on March 10, 2005, 03:49:59 AM
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TUNISIA 1943
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NOTE: FRIENDLY COLLISSIONS ARE ON
- it means you can run into friendly players
- watch out where you takeoff and land.
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AXIS: (BISHOPS)
Me 109G-2
Me-109F-4
Me-110C-4
Fw-190A-5
Fw-190F
C.202
C.205
Ju-87
Ju-88
JU-52 (C-47)
All M's
Panzer IV
Ostwinds
AXIS NAVAL FORCES:
2 x CA Fleets (C43 & 44)(CV's are in fleet but no aircraft available)
LVT-2
LVT-4
PT Boats (From Fleets & Ports)
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ALLIED: (KNIGHTS)
P-38G
P-40E
Hurricane IIC
Hurricane IID
Spitfire V
Boston III
A-20
B-26
C-47
All M's
Shermans (T-34's)
Ostwinds
ALLIED NAVAL FORCES:
USN CV (C41)
F4F-4
SBD
TBM
RN CV (C42)
Seafire IIc
TBM
PT Boats (From Fleets and Ports)
LVT's (From Fleets)
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NOTES:
MAP: Green Tunisia
NO Tigers this set-up
CT Settings per year 1943
Fuel Burn 1.7
Flak: 0.7
15 Troops to Capture
All rest regular CT Settings
GOOD LUCK AND GOOD HUNTING! :aok
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Nice one!:aok
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Originally posted by Jester
Fuel Burn 1.7
Yay! I'd prefer even higher like the MA standard 2.0 but 1.7 is a step in the right direction.
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the set is great but for the 109F4 and the spitV. if you were to leave those two out the fights and therefore the week would be excellent. substitute the spitIX for the spitV and dump the evil 109F4........ or not.
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Bring in the P-40F...:aok
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the spitV is uber now
remove it and do whatever to make it even but as is now, there will be 5 spits to any other allied ride airborne at any given time
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Originally posted by Eagler
the spitV is uber now
remove it and do whatever to make it even but as is now, there will be 5 spits to any other allied ride airborne at any given time
(sigh) That's true of ANY setup that has spits. But the 205s and the A5s ought to be able to neutralize the spits, I think, so possibly people will start flying the other Allied iron.
- oldman (itching to get his 202 warmed up)
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What I really wish we had for setups like this is the Hurricane IIb.
Also, shouldnt a 43 MTO setup have P-47s? Or is it too early for them yet?
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
What I really wish we had for setups like this is the Hurricane IIb.
Also, shouldnt a 43 MTO setup have P-47s? Or is it too early for them yet?
It's not too early for P-47s, it's just that they were not deployed to the MTO until late in 1943.
P-47s didn't arrive in the MTO until November of 1943. This occurred when the 325th FG traded their P-40s for P-47Ds. They went active in December, based at Foggia, Italy.
During early 1943 in the MTO, mostly P-38F and G models were in front line units. Arrival of the P-38H was slow due to most being funneled to the 8th AF. By late 1943 the MTO saw a mixed bag of G and H models.
Likewise, the C.205 was a rare as hen's teeth at this time, with the earliest aircraft not being cannon armed.
My regards,
Widewing
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Its really unfortunate that HT upped the Spit V boost, before that any set with it and the 109F-4 were the best out there IMO.
The 16+ boost Spit V, though it may have been used at that boost level at some point in real life, is a detriment to gameplay in the CT. As it stands now, its exactly 3 MPH slower than the Spit IX, but turns far better.
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Originally posted by Widewing
P-47s didn't arrive in the MTO until November of 1943. This occurred when the 325th FG traded their P-40s for P-47Ds. They went active in December, based at Foggia, Italy.
The squadron continued operations until 22 September 1943 when it flew its last mission with P-40s. Shortly afterward the squadron was assigned P-47s and men were dispatched to Casablanca, Algiers, and Bizerte to assemble the new aircraft. Soon after receiving the P-47s the rainy season began, causing the squadron to cease operational training at Mateur..
On 5 November the squadron moved to a landing field on Cape Bon, about 16 miles from Tunis. Here with improved weather, the squadron continued its training in P-47s. On 2 December the ground echelon proceeded to Bizerte where they were to await transportation to Italy by boat. A week later the air echelon left Solimon for Foggia Main, an airdrome just outside Foggia, arriving there late the same day.
On 14 December 1943, the squadron flew its first combat mission in P-47s, an escort mission over Corfu Island. On 20 December, the first part of the ground echelon arrived at Foggia after docking at Taranto and rode from there to Foggia, in an Italian passenger train. On 29 December the last half of the ground echelon arrived, after docking in Naples. Both of the ground echelons had crossed the Mediterranean in LSTs.
(http://www.325thfg.org/images/p-47a.jpg)
Also the 325th had P-40F's instead of the P-40E.
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Im gonna be there for sure!! WTG!!
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Few changes, check the above listing again for the final version of the TUNISIA set-up.
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can you at least limit the spitV to the rear bases?
anything to keep their numbers down ..
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can you at least limit the spitV to the rear bases?
anything to keep their numbers down ..
lol that's the reason why not many people play in CT..... i guess your cliques definition of CT is...
1. furballing
2. furballing
3. furballing
heck i might as well go-to da...
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Well have fun in the DA, try and learn something this time...
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Originally posted by tikky
lol that's the reason why not many people play in CT..... i guess your cliques definition of CT is...
1. furballing
2. furballing
3. furballing
heck i might as well go-to da...
I dont see what is so hard to understand about the post you quoted. The CT at least TRIES to achieve some balance between the sides, while giving a limited planeset and historical rides. If that doesnt compute for you, then perhaps yes, you should go to the DA or the MA. Thats why there are multiple arenas, so that everyone can get their "fix".
And if you think that the buffs never get used in the CT, you are wrong. Not as often as the MA, but they still get use. Its just more common on squad nights and such than as an all the time thing.
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I have just spent the better part of an hour being repeatedly ganged by spitVs. the set up blows. I'll see you guys in a week. have fun.
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Funny, I was in there for the hour before that and didnt see one spit. 202s, 205s, a couple of 109s that ran from my P40 and 1 FW. Oh wait, was I supposed to fly the other side to see Spits? :)
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Funny, I was in there for the hour before that and didnt see one spit. 202s, 205s, a couple of 109s that ran from my P40 and 1 FW. Oh wait, was I supposed to fly the other side to see Spits? :)
Unhappily, as Eagler has noted, if Spits are included in a setup, most people will fly spits. I'd thought perhaps things would be different when I first logged onto the Axis side last night, given the presence of the P-38, but within a few minutes it seemed to me that the sky was populated by spits.
There are a few hardy souls, like N7, who fly the P-40 and the other allied iron (saw ecmjam repeatedly landing 4-kill sorties in his Hurricane), and I'm holding out hope that people got the spit madness out of their souls last night.
- oldman
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sry for the p38 ho last night but it was you and two others against my lumbering 38 and had to take what I could get
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Every time I flew anything other than the Spit, I end up fighting 2 or 3 guys. Every time I fly the Spit I end up fighting 2 or 3 guys. So... why the hell would anyone fly a plane that isn't suited to fighting X on 1 when you have a plane that is perfectly suited to it? Are you guys stupid or just crybabies?
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Originally posted by Urchin
Are you guys stupid or just crybabies?
In my case, I'd lean towards stupid...
Whenever I fly the Spit V in the CT I try to make up for the EasyMode (TM) plane by fighting as many at the same time as possible. The SpitV 1 v 1 against anything is like taking candy from a baby and I feel all dirty and shameful. :)
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Bah. You are always dirty and shameful Grits. :)
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Well, that is true, but in the Spit V it makes it an order of magnitude worse than usual. :)
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One can hardly blame the individual player. If I played in an allied squad I would be in the spitV. HTC says that the spitV is modelled correctly. CT staffers correctly place them in the appropriate (never) set ups. Some of the (90%) players will fly the plane. In a 1 v 1 scenario (snowballs chance in hell of happening) the spitV has enough handicaps to make it a fair fight unless the spitV player is experienced, the situation becomes tedious (pain in the arse) when the second, third and fourth spit show up(gangdipwad dweebs). since that is what inevitably occurs some of us will just forego CT participation until the spitV is corrected a bit(totally redone) or the axis models are corrected a bit (100%) to reflect to a degree what was probably real within the depicted time period (never going to happen).
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Just to illustrate the impact of the 16+ boost, the Spit V is now 17MPH faster than it was at 12+ boost. That means its only 1-2MPH slower than the Spit IX and 12-13MPH slower than the 109F-4, yet will turn circles around those two. The 109F-4 does not own the verticle against the Spit V anymore either, which used to be its main advantage. The F-4 is still better in the verticle, but not clearly superior like it was.
Squire and others have documented that the Spit V did use 16+ boost, it did, thats not at issue. What is at issue is where in the "operational life" of the Spit V was it cleared for 16+ boost? It was late in the operational use of the Spit V (after the introduction of the IX), and for the majority of its use (and for the time periods it is usually used in the CT) it was only cleared for 12+. In the MA it makes no difference because its enemies will not be limited to '42-'43 planes like in the CT. As it stands now, the Spit V is superior to the Spit IX in every respect except for the IX's ability to carry a droptank. Since the CT typically has fuel burn set well below the MA 2.0 setting it really makes the IX redundant.
I dont hate the Spit V, on the contrary its my main ride in the MA so I know it fairly well. Against its contemporary rivals, I feel that any other plane has three options against it, which are either run away, gang up on it, or die. IMO It is detrimental to CT gameplay with its current modeling.
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Originally posted by Grits
Just to illustrate the impact of the 16+ boost, the Spit V is now 17MPH faster than it was at 12+ boost. That means its only 1-2MPH slower than the Spit IX and 12-13MPH slower than the 109F-4, yet will turn circles around those two. The 109F-4 does not own the verticle against the Spit V anymore either, which used to be its main advantage. The F-4 is still better in the verticle, but not clearly superior like it was.
Squire and others have documented that the Spit V did use 16+ boost, it did, thats not at issue. What is at issue is where in the "operational life" of the Spit V was it cleared for 16+ boost? It was late in the operational use of the Spit V (after the introduction of the IX), and for the majority of its use (and for the time periods it is usually used in the CT) it was only cleared for 12+. In the MA it makes no difference because its enemies will not be limited to '42-'43 planes like in the CT. As it stands now, the Spit V is superior to the Spit IX in every respect except for the IX's ability to carry a droptank. Since the CT typically has fuel burn set well below the MA 2.0 setting it really makes the IX redundant.
I dont hate the Spit V, on the contrary its my main ride in the MA so I know it fairly well. Against its contemporary rivals, I feel that any other plane has three options against it, which are either run away, gang up on it, or die. IMO It is detrimental to CT gameplay with its current modeling.
well....I'm getting my ice skates and we are going ice skating in hell.
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I've often wondered exactly why HTC raised the boost on the Spitfire Mk V. It certainly didn't seem like it needed it and I can't think of anybody who was asking for it.
If we have to have a Spitfire Mk V with a universal wing at +16lbs boost, maybe they could hadd a Spitfire Mk V with a b wing at +12lbs boost.
The earlier one would only have 60 rounds per gun and would also have a float carburator.
Grits,
The Spitfire Mk IX's high altitude performance is far, far superior to the Spitfire Mk V, even at +16lbs boost. Not that it matters as high altitude fights are rarer than hens teeth.
I agree that the change to the Mk V has made the Mk IX redundant, both in the CT and in the MA.
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And then they could perk the +16 Mk V? :D
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Well, I have to admit I know nothing about the high alt performance since I rarely go over 3k AGL. :)
The LW planes also have some issues in this regard. I dont remember the details, but I vaugely remember one of the LW guys (maybe Wotan?) saying that the 109F-4 is either running too much boost, or its WEP time is two long for that boost or something to that effect. Crumpp has also said that the 190A-5 has some type of problem with its boost setting being too high or two long, cant remember which.
Its not exclusive to the Spit V, its just that the Spit V was so good already...