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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Boroda on March 10, 2005, 12:53:16 PM
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http://mosnews.com/news/2005/03/10/polandreply.shtml
Moscow is perplexed by a statement from Polish Foreign Ministry official representative Aleksander Checko, who called the murder of the Chechen separatist leader Aslan Maskhadov “a political stupidity and a gross mistake”, the Russian Foreign Ministry’s information and press department said in a commentary published on an official Web site Thursday.
Maskhadov, the document says, had the blood of thousands of Russian people, including children, on his hands, because it’s widely known that terrorist attacks in Beslan, Moscow, and other Russian cities were committed at his direct orders. “If all this is called Maskhadov’s efforts towards a political settlement in Chechnya, Poland evidently has a distorted view of processes of this kind and the fight against international terrorism on the whole,” the Russian Foreign Ministry claims.
“A question arises: will Poland use analogous phrases to regret the elimination of murderous terrorist Shamil Basayev, who is on the UN antiterrorist sanction list, or Osama bin Laden?” the statement reads.
Welcome Poland to the list of the countries hosting, supporting and helping terrorists, at the same time being a member of the so-called "anto-terrorist alliance". :rolleyes:
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What are you finding another excuse to invade Poland now? As if they didn't suffer long enough behind the iron curtain.
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Personal attack
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Boroda, are you denying the use of tanks to put down the Polish objection to the soviet union?
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Originally posted by Boroda
http://mosnews.com/news/2005/03/10/polandreply.shtml
Moscow is perplexed by a statement from Polish Foreign Ministry official representative Aleksander Checko, who called the murder of the Chechen separatist leader Aslan Maskhadov “a political stupidity and a gross mistake :rolleyes:
I see nothing in there that would support a conclusion that Poland supports terrorists of any type.
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http://poland.gov.pl/?document=361
:rolleyes:
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Respectable Siafka, I kindly ask you to keep posting pearls of wisdom revealing the evilness of Russian barbarians. Your tales of true horror are a reason enough to justify murder of their children and so-called innocent civilians, and immediately turn mass-murderers and known terrorists like the true friend of Polish peole, great Allah's warrior Aslan Maskhadov into freedom fighters and victims of bloodthirsty czarist Russian bolshevik regime.
You are always welcome.
ПНХ ДЛБ. 73.
Following your logics US must immediately withdraw from Iraq and get disarmed by international invasion force for the genocide of native Americans.
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To other people who'll read this:
What's your opinion, is it OK for a so-called "civilized country" to pity a well-known terrorist, responsible for thousands of deaths, for terror attacks on Beslan and Nord-Ost theatre, for apartment bombings in Russia, for invasion to Dagestan? If so - then I probably haveto rethink my views on western values, it will be painfull but nessessary. :(
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There's pretty (very) strong evidence that the apartment bombings weren't done by Chechens, but rather by people who wanted to start a war there.
Other than that, I don't support terrorists, period.
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Originally posted by Boroda
To other people who'll read this:
What's your opinion, is it OK for a so-called "civilized country" to pity a well-known terrorist
Again, there was nothing in the text of what you quoted that states or implies support or pity for any terrorists.
What do you think he meant when he said it was "political stupidity? "Gross mistake"?
I've read opinions that lead me to think that I understand what he was talking about, but I want to know what you think.
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What the hell is with all this "invade Poland" strawman bull****?
Cripes, Boroda could say he like cheese and some of you would say "do you like it when Russia invades Poland"?
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Welcome Poland to the list of the countries hosting, supporting and helping terrorists
Those are the exact lines on which US bases it's attacks in mid-east. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the russkies would use this as an excuse to start rebuilding the iron curtain.
History shows it's happened before.
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Originally posted by Lazerus
Again, there was nothing in the text of what you quoted that states or implies support or pity for any terrorists.
What do you think he meant when he said it was "political stupidity? "Gross mistake"?
I've read opinions that lead me to think that I understand what he was talking about, but I want to know what you think.
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Boroda; Russia hasn't ever been a civilized country and most likely it will never be one.
You are also celebrating murderers of babies, little children and women as heroes.
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Murdering him made a mayrter out of him to his followers. That added a few years to the struggle. Killing him in battle would have been better. An accepted risk in that line of business. Capturing him and going to trial with the world watching would have been best. Then the media could play back all of the footage from the school to sway opinion against him and his movement. Just like with Osama, now it's going to be better capturing him for the world to see.
Sounds like by murdering him a replacement stepped up who is just as bad or worse. The whole issue may get much more nasty with stepped up retaliations like the school incident. This may be what the Polish Minister was commenting on.
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Originally posted by Staga
Boroda; Russia hasn't ever been a civilized country and most likely it will never be one.
You are also celebrating murderers of babies, little children and women as heroes.
What sort of sauna to person ratio is required to become civilized?
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Oh I got it; You were funnay! LOLOLOLOLOL!!11!!1!
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Originally posted by Boroda
http://mosnews.com/news/2005/03/10/polandreply.shtml
Moscow is perplexed by a statement from Polish Foreign Ministry official representative Aleksander Checko, who called the murder of the Chechen separatist leader Aslan Maskhadov “a political stupidity and a gross mistake”, the Russian Foreign Ministry’s information and press department said in a commentary published on an official Web site Thursday.
Maskhadov, the document says, had the blood of thousands of Russian people, including children, on his hands, because it’s widely known that terrorist attacks in Beslan, Moscow, and other Russian cities were committed at his direct orders. “If all this is called Maskhadov’s efforts towards a political settlement in Chechnya, Poland evidently has a distorted view of processes of this kind and the fight against international terrorism on the whole,” the Russian Foreign Ministry claims.
“A question arises: will Poland use analogous phrases to regret the elimination of murderous terrorist Shamil Basayev, who is on the UN antiterrorist sanction list, or Osama bin Laden?” the statement reads.
Welcome Poland to the list of the countries hosting, supporting and helping terrorists, at the same time being a member of the so-called "anto-terrorist alliance". :rolleyes:
Wow, you jump from Poland criticizing the decision of Moscow to assassinate this guy to the conclusion of them helping and supporting terrorists.
In reality they're probably point out that you guys just made him a martyr. Its a fine line deciding when to knock off a terrorist leader, arafat was a good example, but it did Israel more good for a certain period to leave him alive.
Your foreign ministry needs to use decafe for a couple of weeks
:rolleyes:
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Here comes the bolshevik mongrel horde again! Watch out Poland! Lock the gate Latvia! Fire up those MTs Finland!
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Here comes the bolshevik mongrel horde again! Watch out Poland! Lock the gate Latvia! Fire up those MTs Finland!
Well some of their politicians got pissed when some Finnish politician told them Russia attacked Finland in WW2.
That sure is strange country; it looks like they're living in parallel world or something :confused:
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Originally posted by Staga
That sure is strange country; it looks like they're living in parallel world or something :confused:
Alternate universe is probably closer to the truth. However, you have to remember that here on this BBS we only see one or two of Stalin's Apologist Acolytes.
I have to believe the majority of Russians don't believe all the horse doobers that Boroda tosses out as gospel.
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Originally posted by Toad
I have to believe the majority of Russians don't believe all the horse doobers that Boroda tosses out as gospel.
I want to believe, but....
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every time a militant radical extremist allah akbar chanting piece of **** muslim is killed, an angel gets its wings.
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Originally posted by Toad
However, you have to remember that here on this BBS we only see one or two of Stalin's Apologist Acolytes.
Boroda, THAT ^ is Irony. Perfect Toad
Karaya
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one day comrade Boroda you will come to understand HOW the western civilization does business...
never give the crook the money, use his friends, that way they cannot accuse you of taking the money, all western Politics work the same way, Russians will come to understand that...first though you gotta make yourself look good...
Oh and eventually you will come to understand that most Americans are Ego-maniacs...
If Poland wants to voice a different opinion, its there perogative and you cannot fault them for that...its none of your business, comprende amigo...
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Originally posted by SLO
Oh and eventually you will come to understand that most Americans are Ego-maniacs...
YOU are not qualified to make that horsechit statement. You seem sort of "proud" to make that BS statement, little "Ego" perhaps? I hate hypocrasy.
Karaya
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Seems itd be pretty tough to accuse you of TAKING the money when you GIVE it to the crooks friends.
But I guess that makes as much sense as the stuff you normally post.
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Mash, it's like saying all Quebecois are horse's patoots just because of one guy.
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Originally posted by Toad
Mash, it's like saying all Quebecois are horse's patoots just because of one guy.
:D
Karaya
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Originally posted by Boroda
http://mosnews.com/news/2005/03/10/polandreply.shtml
Moscow is perplexed by a statement from Polish Foreign Ministry official representative Aleksander Checko, who called the murder of the Chechen separatist leader Aslan Maskhadov “a political stupidity and a gross mistake”, the Russian Foreign Ministry’s information and press department said in a commentary published on an official Web site Thursday.
Maskhadov, the document says, had the blood of thousands of Russian people, including children, on his hands, because it’s widely known that terrorist attacks in Beslan, Moscow, and other Russian cities were committed at his direct orders. “If all this is called Maskhadov’s efforts towards a political settlement in Chechnya, Poland evidently has a distorted view of processes of this kind and the fight against international terrorism on the whole,” the Russian Foreign Ministry claims.
“A question arises: will Poland use analogous phrases to regret the elimination of murderous terrorist Shamil Basayev, who is on the UN antiterrorist sanction list, or Osama bin Laden?” the statement reads.
Welcome Poland to the list of the countries hosting, supporting and helping terrorists, at the same time being a member of the so-called "anto-terrorist alliance". :rolleyes:
how do you think, how many russians will die now when chechens like to get revange after assasinations of their lider?
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
YOU are not qualified to make that horsechit statement. You seem sort of "proud" to make that BS statement, little "Ego" perhaps? I hate hypocrasy.
Karaya
I live 50 miles from your Border, I deal with folks from the States on a daily basis, and you would be one of em...I am more the qualified
proud, not really, irrelevent statement from you...talk about horse****
oh and btw, the EGO trip is a well known fact that you project to the rest of the world...I didn't create it, you did...get with the program
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Originally posted by Toad
Seems itd be pretty tough to accuse you of TAKING the money when you GIVE it to the crooks friends.
But I guess that makes as much sense as the stuff you normally post.
vengeful I see, but did you even try to understand...or should I make a big drawing for you, might be more easy.
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Originally posted by Toad
Mash, it's like saying all Quebecois are horse's patoots just because of one guy.
well most Americans don't even now were Canada is, never mind how its projected...
oh and it brings a tear to my eye seein you and mash hold hands like that, its so, its so.....queer
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Nice to see us all getting along so well!!
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How did this turn into US vs Canada all of the sudden? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by SLO
vengeful I see, but did you even try to understand...or should I make a big drawing for you, might be more easy.
"Vengeful"? Lol.
Big drawing? Well, if you use your best crayon, it'd have to be more clear than the allegory you tried to create using a keyboard. You go boy; maybe the teacher will let you work through naptime.
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Originally posted by SLO
well most Americans don't even now were Canada is, never mind how its projected...
oh and it brings a tear to my eye seein you and mash hold hands like that, its so, its so.....queer
Yah, yer right. Amreekans have no clue where our "neighbor to the North" is located.
Think about what it says about you when cats and dogs hold hands and generally fart in your direction.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
How did this turn into US vs Canada all of the sudden? :rolleyes:
Pretty simple; Slo showed up. Happens about everytime he hits his keyboard to spew.
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Originally posted by SLO
well most Americans don't even now were Canada is
Yer rite, we're just a bunch of ignorant slobs.
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where you are Boroda?
did you heard? your gov just claim Katyn never happend and it was not mass murder
no comments?
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Originally posted by ramzey
where you are Boroda?
did you heard? your gov just claim Katyn never happend and it was not mass murder
no comments?
I'll not upset Toad, they didn't go that far. They only stated that it was not genocide, that is pretty obvious.
http://mosnews.com/news/2005/03/11/katynfiles.shtml
BTW, I was on lake Seliger last weekend as I said in other threads, saw a grave of Polish officers there, sorry, didn't have flowers...
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Originally posted by SLO
well most Americans don't even now were Canada is, never mind how its projected...
oh and it brings a tear to my eye seein you and mash hold hands like that, its so, its so.....queer
I know what picture I envision. Toad needing to reload his Mag, and me shooting over his shoulder to cover.
I've been to Canada enough times and never had a problem talking nor meeting folks. SLO, you're just one of the few a**holes in the Country, accept it. I'll be in Montreal next year for the GP (2006). I'll give everone here a rundown on how my reactions are.
Again, by NOT KNOWING ME, you are UNFIT to make the statement.
Karaya
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Boroda, you don't upset me; you entertain me. It's like going to a Natural History museum and finding that they actually have a real, live brontosaurus.
Now, to the point:
65 years ago about 22,000 Polish military officers, intellectuals and priests, who had been detained in the former Soviet Union in 1939, were shot by Soviet agents in the Katyn forest, 18 kilometres from Smolensk. The case became widely known in 1943 after Nazi soldiers discovered 4,100 bodies there.
Up until now, you have refused to acknowledge that this mass murder of POW's was done on Stalin's order by the NKVD.
This despite Yeltsin, Gorbachev and even Putin admitting that's how it was done.
You claimed no one could be sure (or some such nonsense) and that all these Soviet leaders were traitors and drunks (you realize that's a totally Stalinist technique, right?).
Now, Russias Chief Military Prosecutors Office has given their verdict, which confirms what everyone with an milligram of intelligence already knew. Stalin had the Polish POW's executed.
So... what do YOU say now? Is Russias Chief Military Prosecutors Office just another bunch of drunks and traitors?
Or is this yet another CIA plot to discredit the former Soviet Union?
Do tell!
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More CIA/Nazi propaganda! :mad:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/13/newsid_4059000/4059959.stm
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Ah, last news are that russians refuse to give poland all the details about russian officers involved in the Katyn massacre. Probably becouse some so called Heroes were actually involved in it. Well, looks like russia is rapidly getting in some of the worst habits of western countries :rolleyes:
Did you know that Patton units in Sicily, during 1943, massacred something like 150 italian POWs? Maybe a captain and a couple of sergeants were punished.
After 60 years many nations are still searching for axis officers involved in massacres. They should do it with winners as well. Shouldnt they?
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offcourse.
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Toad. I still stand on the point that there is not enough evidence for me. Keep believing, I use common sence.
22 thousand Poles in Katyn is news to me. Nazis found only 4100 bodies.
Again: last reliable document was Burdenko's commission report provided to the Nuremburg tribunal.
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Back to the original topic:
Poland calling the killing of Maskhadov a "murder", and mentioning "political solution" in Chechnya is an obvious support to terrorists.
Their point is not that he became a "martyr". (anyway if he did - the hell with it, he is better killed then held in prison). The point is that he was the "only person availible for negotiations".
Great! Imagine, someone says that it's bad to catch OBL or kill him, simply because if he gets caught or killed - there will be noone to talk about "peace"! Incredible!
According to such logics Hitler should have been guarded and kept free, because after he committed suicide - there was noone left for peace talks! What peace talks!? If the enemy doesn't surrender - he is destroyed.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Back to the original topic:
Poland calling the killing of Maskhadov a "murder", and mentioning "political solution" in Chechnya is an obvious support to terrorists.
Their point is not that he became a "martyr". (anyway if he did - the hell with it, he is better killed then held in prison). The point is that he was the "only person availible for negotiations".
Great! Imagine, someone says that it's bad to catch OBL or kill him, simply because if he gets caught or killed - there will be noone to talk about "peace"! Incredible!
According to such logics Hitler should have been guarded and kept free, because after he committed suicide - there was noone left for peace talks! What peace talks!? If the enemy doesn't surrender - he is destroyed.
OBL was not a political leader of a country.
The Allies probably did want Hitler guarded so the could nab him.
Are you implying that the Israeli's should destroy the Palestinians?
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I have a 7 piece of ww2 encyclopedia It was uncertain about that poland affair.
Anyhow anyone ever seen the bodys that came through the erosion in the river( i believe it was the wolga). Nobody knew about it.
Stalin was not a sweetheart.
But again he was there on the right time right place. Ii believe nobody else could have pushed 13 milion russian (with all respect for those souls)offers to end WW2.
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Originally posted by Lazerus
Again, there was nothing in the text of what you quoted that states or implies support or pity for any terrorists.
What do you think he meant when he said it was "political stupidity? "Gross mistake"?
I've read opinions that lead me to think that I understand what he was talking about, but I want to know what you think.
If we Killed Osama and someone said it was Gross stupidity and a mistake, I call that support for terrorism. It would be that or they where complete Morons, take your pick.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Toad. I still stand on the point that there is not enough evidence for me. Keep believing, I use common sence.
22 thousand Poles in Katyn is news to me. Nazis found only 4100 bodies.
Again: last reliable document was Burdenko's commission report provided to the Nuremburg tribunal.
That's why I like your posts. I kind of like it when I have proof that some folks live an alternate reality.
Look.... the investigation by the Red Cross, the diaries found with the victims, etc., all show they were killed AFTER the Russians took them prisoner.
Yeltsin, Gorby and Putin all admit to it and now... Russias Chief Military Prosecutors Office admits it as well.
But that's "not enough proof" for you. ROFL! The only proof you'd accept is if you stepped into a time machine, joined the NKVD and helped kill the POW's yourself.
There is no doubt in any sane person's mind.
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Originally posted by Toad
There is no doubt in any sane person's mind.
Person who has no doubt in his mind is a happy idiot.
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Boroda, first of all, i think that our comment was very unfortunate and surely not in place.
Even if we could thing that it's a political stupidity and a gross mistake we should let you deal with your problems and keep our thought for ourselves. We are not a side in that conflict.
I won't judge if it was a good or bad decision - time will answer this.
As for the Katyn (photoes could be drastic)
http://historianiebezpieczna.kgb.pl/kom/pol/katyn/galeria.html
http://historianiebezpieczna.kgb.pl/kom/pol/katyn/galeria1.html
what the "notes" from the 2nd links saying? It's not a tricky question, i just can't translate it
I could say that our ally myrdered our guys right? It's a history - let's put it straight with a time.
A question arises: will Poland use analogous phrases to regret the elimination of murderous terrorist Shamil Basayev, who is on the UN antiterrorist sanction list, or Osama bin Laden?
Or will Poland join "get the pigeon" hunting? Or will we join Tom in hunting Jerry?
This question isn't worth answering.
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Originally posted by SLO
Oh and eventually you will come to understand that most Americans are Ego-maniacs...
And most Canadians are brainwashed , socialist puppies sucking at the government tit.
You owe you very existance to this country.
(I feel better now)
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Originally posted by Boroda
Person who has no doubt in his mind is a happy idiot.
Anyone who doubts the Soviet NKVD murdered Polish POWs at Katyn and other places (like near Smolensk) is a total idiot, happy or otherwise.
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Boroda, sorry for being sarcastic in my post above.
There is a reason for you guys to be angry about our statement. There is no reason to act irrational tho.
Both of our contries are really good doing so :)
even if the comment we made had some sense (or not - a topic to discuss), we should shuddup about it.
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Bikekil, thanks for your answer!
You guys have indeed more understanding then most of the people here, and I am proud to call you friends. !
As for Katyn - again, I don't know, and if it was my compatriots who committed this crime - I only have to apologize. I hope it's not true, and I hope you understand me.
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Boroda,
could you translate the documents from the second link and post what they are about? i'm not talking about direct translation but the general idea what they are about.
Here in Poland you won't find any person who don't know that NKWD murdered our officers and Russia nowdays is refusing to show us the documents you have about it in your archives. On a side note - whould could be the reason?
But, probasbly we here have no idea about some of our crimes on your people during the ages.
the best thing would be to be "brave" enought to speak about the truth together, but that's the topic for another discusion.
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Originally posted by Boroda
if it was my compatriots who committed this crime - I only have to apologize.
It WAS your "compatriots" (cod, you call Stalin's NKVD "my compatriots"?) who committed this crime.
The forensic evidence from the site is definitive.
Yeltsin, Gorbachev and Putin all admit Stalin's NKVD murdered the POWs. A second grave has been found near Smolensk.
They've given Poland some of the documents that prove it.
Russias Chief Military Prosecutors Office admits it.
So go ahead and apologize, you'll feel better and the rest of us will think you finally got in touch with a little reality.