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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: paulobrien6969 on March 12, 2005, 07:41:18 AM
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was a 4x hispano spit ever made in the war years?
i tried to research it
i was thinking of a spit that was really worth perking as apposed to the mk 14,which should be perked but nowhere near as high as it is..
i found this variant:
Mk. VC: Universal wing with various gun
configurations, additional racks for 250 lb.
(113 kg.) bombs on wings.
Production: 2,447
could one of those configurations be 4x hispanos?
i also found this but its just post war:
Model 21: Post-war. Redesigned aircraft with different structure and shape. 2,050 hp Griffon 65 or 85, four 20mm cannon and rack for 1,000 lb. (454 kg) bombs.
Production: 300
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Hurricain IIC ..?
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This is from another thread that asked the same question.
Read this thread for more info ...
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139277&highlight=spitfire+20mm+four
Originally posted by Guppy35
For the third time today :) 4 cannon Spitfire Vcs were NOT common. The only place I can find any evidence of them being used in combat is with 2 Squadron SAAF in Italy as a ground attack aircraft. These were not Air to Air Spits. They had the Vokes filter under the nose, as well as a 500 pounder slung under the fuselage to go with the 4 20mm. They WOULD NOT have been very good performers due to the weight and drag penalties from the cannon and tropical filter.
There are other well known photos of 4 cannon Spitfire Vc on the USS Wasp where they launched from to reinforce Malta.
Once on Malta they had two of the cannon removed. Again the weight penalty really hindered climb, agility and overall performance. Two cannon were enough for the job as they figured if they couldn't kill it with two cannon they weren't going to hit it with 4.
Images from top to bottom. A 4 cannon Spitfire Vc Trop on the USS Wasp.
One of these Wasp launched Spitfire Vc after getting to Malta and having the two inboard cannon removed.
Image of 2 SAAF Spitfire Vc in the ground attack role.
There is no evidence I've ever seen to indicate 4 cannon Spits operated over France, North Africa or elsewhere beyond those 2 SAAF Spits in Italy.
Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1105579654_waspspitvc.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1105579634_maltaspit.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1105579700_4cannonspitvc.jpg)
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Trust me on this, when Guppy35/Slack has spoken relative to Spitfires, the subject has been covered ~GGG~
Skuzzy, might as well lock this one, its done ;)
culero
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lol well thanks for the replys
was just wondering this this morning while discussing perk planes with some1.
should have known someone else would hae thought of it
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why would he lock it and what would be accomplished in doing such a thing?
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We could also get the Spit MkIIB, basically a MkI with 4@.303 and 2@20mm. It seems to me that the FM modeling would be quite minimal, and we already have the guns modeled in the MkV. But what do I know, I don't coad?
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For me it all comes down to could they vs did they use the 4 20mm.
The Spit with the Universal wing could have carried 4 cannon, but it didn't outside of launching from Wasp to Malta, where two of the cannon were removed to save weight, and improve performance and the 2 SAAF Spit Vcs that were not encountering enemy E/A but were hitting ground targets.
There is a picture of a Mark IX with 4 cannon, but it is one used for testing. There is an image of a Spit VIII with extended wingtips and 4 cannon used by an RAAF squadron CO, but it was a single aircraft to chase high alt recce Dinah's, not a squadron wide application of the 4 cannon.
There were also problems with heating the 4 cannon which is why it was only ever seen in the MTO with 2 SAAF and that single Spit VIII in the Pacific.
The big issue from a pilot's perspective was the performance penalty. The Malta guys beyond losing two of the cannon, often took out two or both sets of 303s to lose the weight and help the climb rate and performance.
They figured if they could hit it with 2 cannon they could do the job.
The Spit 21 had a completely redesigned wing that carried 4 cannon as standard. It did see operational use before the end of the war with 91 Squadron. They were flying sweeps over the Hook of Holland etc from about March 45 on. They lost two to ack and were credited with sinking a 2 man sub. No air to air that I'm aware of.
Dan
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dont care historically but i want that loadout.
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If it was ever to appear in AH2, would really only be appropriate on the Spit 5.
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well if the number made is a problem with it entering ah then just look at the la7 and 262 etc
i dont know the exact number of these lowely produced planes are ,so tell me if im wrong..
i would sacrafice some speed and maneuverablility for that extra gun lay out
and as for anyone saying why not just use another quad cannon plane, well simple,none of them handle like a spit...
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If you want 4 hispanos and don't mind the decreased speed, fly a hurricane mkIIc. Its low speed handling is very much on par with the spit 5, but I believe you'll change your mind very quickly regarding the reduction in speed. anything that doesn't out turn the hurricane readily out runs it.
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Supermarine Spitfire and Seafire
Mks I to 24 and Seafire I, III, XV, XVII and 45-47
Origin: Supermarine Aviation Works (Vickers) Ltd; also built by, Vickers-Armstrongs, Castle Bromwich, and Westland Aircraft; (Seafire) Cunliffe-Owen Aircraft and Westland.
Type: Single-seat fighter, fighter-bomber or reconnaissance; (Seafire) carrier-based fighter.
Engine: One Rolls-Royce Merlin or Griffon vee-12 liquid-cooled (see text)
Dimensions: Span 36ft 10in (11-23m), clipped, 32ft 2in, or, more often, 32ft 7in (9-93m), extended, 40ft 2in (12-24m); length 29ft 11in (9-12m), later, with two-stage engine, typically 31ft 3 1/2in (9-54m), Griffon engine, typically 32ft 8in (9-96m), final (eg Seafire 47) 34ft 4in (10-46m); height 11ft 5in (3-48m), with Griffon, typically 12ft 9in (3-89m).
Weights: Empty (Mk I) 4,810lb (2182kg); (IX) 5,610lg (2545kg); (XIV) 6,700lb (3040kg); (Sea.47) 7,625lb (3458kg); maximum loaded (I) 5,784lb (2624kg); (IX) 9,500lb (4310kg); (XIV) 10,280lb (4663kg); (Sea.47) 12,750lb (5784kg).
Performance: Maximum speed (I) 355-362mph (580km/h); (IX) 408mph (657km/h); (XIV) 448mph (721km/h); (Sea.47) 451mph (724km/h); initial climb (I) 2,530ft (770m)/min; (IX) 4,100ft (1250m)/min; (XIV) 4,580ft (1396m)/min; (Sea.47) 4,800ft (1463m)/min; range on internal fuel (I) 395 miles (637km); (IX) 434 miles (700km); (XIV) 460 miles (740km); (Sea.47) 405 miles (652km).
Armament: See "Development" text.
History: First flight (prototype) 5 March 1936; (production Mk I) July 1938; final delivery (Mk24) October 1947.
Users: (Wartime) Australia, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Egypt, France, italy (CB), Jugoslavia, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, South Africa, Soviet Union, Turkey, UK (RAF, RN), US (AAF).
Development: Possibly the most famous combat aircraft in history, the Spitfire was designed by the dying Reginald Mitchell to Specification F.37/34 using the new Rolls-Royce PV.12 engine later named Merlin. It was the first all-metal stressed-skin fighter to go into production in Britain. The following were main versions.
I initial version, 450 ordered in June 1936 with 1,030hp Merlin II, two-blade fixed-pitch propeller and four 0-303in Browning guns. Later MkIA with eight guns, bulged canopy and three-blade DH v-p propeller and Mk IB with two 20mm Hispano and four 0-303. Production: 1,566.
II Mk I built at Castle Bromwich with 1,175hp Merlin XII and Rotol propeller. Production: 750 IIA (eight 0-303), 170 IIB (two 20mm, four 0-303).
III Single experimental model; strengthened Mk I with many changes.
IV Confusing because Mk IV was first Griffon-engined, one built. Then unarmed Merlin photo-reconnaissance Mk IV delivered in quantity. Production: 229.
V Like PR.IV powered by 1,440hp Merlin 45, many detail changes, main fighter version 1941-42 in three forums: VA, eight 0-303; VB, two 20mm and four 0-303; VC "universial" wing with choice of guns plus two 250lb (113kg) bombs. All with centreline rack for 500lb (227kg) bomb or tank. Many with clipped wings and/or tropical filter under nose. Production: VA, 94; VB, 3,923; VC, 2,447.
VI High-altitude interim interceptor, 1,415hp Merlin 47, pressurised cockpit, two 20mm and four 0-303. Production: 100.
VII High-altitude, extended wing-tips, new 1,660hp Merlin 61 with two-stage supercharger (and symmetrical underwing radiators); retractable tailwheel, later broad and pointed rudder. Pressurised cockpit. Production: 140.
VIII Followed interim Mk IX, virtually unpressurised Mk VII in LF (low-altitude, clipped), F (standard) and HF (high-altitude, extended) versions. Production: 1,658.
IX Urgent version to counter Fw 190, quick lash-up of V with Merlin 61; again LF, F and HF versions, plus IXE with two 20mm and two 0-5in. Production: 5,665.
X Pressurised photo-reconnaissance. Merlin 77, whole leading edge forming fuel tank. Production: 16.
XI As X but unpressurised, 1,760hp Merlin 63A or 1,655hp Merlin 70. Mainstay of Photo Reconnaissance Unit 1943-45. Production: 471.
XIII Low-level reconnaissance, low-rated 1,620hp Merlin 32, four 0-303. Production: 16.
XIV First with two-stage Griffon, 2,050hp Mk 65 with deep symmetric radiators and fove-blade propeller, completely redesigned airframe with new fuselage, broad fin/rudder, inboard ailerons, retractable tailwheel. F.XIV, two 20mm and four 0-303; F.XIVE, two 20mm and two 0-5in; FR.XIVE, same guns, cut-down rear fuselage and teardrop hood, clipped wings. F.24 camera and extra fuel. Active in 1944, destroyed over 300 flying bombs. Production: 957.
XVI As Mk IX but 1,705hp Packard Merlin 266; LF.IXE, E-guns and clipped, many with teardrop hood, extra fuel. Production: 1,054.
XVIII Definitive wartime fighter derived from interim XIV, extra fuel, stronger, F and FR versions, some of latter even more fuel and tropical equipment. Production: 300.
XIX Final photo-reconnaissance, 2,050hp Griffon 65 and unpressurised, then Griffon 66 with pressure cabin and increased wing tankage; both option of deep slipper tank for 1,800 mile (2900km) range. Made last RAF Spitfire sortie, Malaya, 1 April 1954. Production 225.
21 Post-war, redeisgned aircraft with different structure and shape, 2,050hp Griffon 65 or 85, four 20mm and 1,000lg (454kg) bombs. Production: 122.
22 Bubble hood, 24-volt electrics, some with 2,375hp Griffon 65 and contraprop. Production: 278.
24 Redesigned tail, short-barrel cannon, zero-length rocket launchers. Production: 54. Total Spitfire production 20,334.
Spitfire IB Navalised Spitfire VB, usually 1,415hp low-rated Merlin 46. Fixed wings but hook and slinging points. Conversions: 166.
IIC Catapult spools, strengthened landing gear, 1,645hp Merlin 32 and four-blade propeller. Various sub0types, Universal wing. Production: 262 Supermarine, 110 Westland.
III Manual double-fold wing 1,585hp Merlin 55M, various versions. Production: 870 Westland, 350 Cunliffe-Owen.
XV (Later F.15) 1,850hp Griffon VI, four-blade, asymmetric radiators, cross between Seafire III and Spitfire XII. Production: 390.
XVII (F.17) Increased fuel, cut-down fuselage and bubble hood. Production: (cut by war's end): 232.
45 New aircraft entirely, corresponding to Spitfire 21; Griffon 61 (five-blade) or 85 (contraprop); fixed wing, four 20mm. Production: 50.
46 Bubble hood like Spitfire 22. Production: 24.
47 Navalised Spitfire 24, hydraulically folding wings, carb-air intake just behind propeller, increased fuel. Fought in Malaya and Korea. Production: 140. Total Seafires: 2,556.
*Few Extras*
-----Basically tougher and more powerful than the Mks I and II, the V was the standard version in production in 1941. More were built (6,464) than any other single mark. R6923 was one of many built as a Mk1 and converted to a VB. It went to the first user of this mark, 92 Sqn, in March 1941. Below about 15,000 feet it could hold its own, but the Fw 190 was so superior at altitude the the Spitfire IX had hurriedly to be produced, mating the two-stage Merlin with the Mk V airframe.
-----When the Mk IB and IIB appeared with two 20mm Hispanos the fact was obvious to German pilots from the long faired barrels and the blisters over the ammunition drums. They found the Mk IX, however, hard to tell from a Mk V at a distance, and from 1942 had to respect all Spitfires due to the Merlin 61.
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well basically im a spit freak and would like more variants
clipped wing would be one of them
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I would have no problem with quad 20mm if I didn't think that SPITs would start HOing as much as N1Ks or any other quad 20mm plane.
And if you use your plane right and get on there 6, 2 20mm and a couple machine guns will do the job just fine.
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well they'd be very useful for ground targets gv's etc and bombers
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There were 2000 me 262s made. Is that what you meant by your comparison?
I think the 4 hispano Spit V and the 4 hispano Pony B should be available as perk selections.
But I also think they should take the Spit V down to typical spit V perfomance not have it set at the absolute best performance that could be achieved in the type by a test pilot.
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Like somebody else said, if we had an option to leave the .303s and get say 75 more rounds per Hisp, I'd be happy. ;)
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If I can remember correctly, there were only 50 3 cannon La7's made. Maybe a little bit more.
So the question of differing a loadout has already been answered. As long as the Spit suffers from having 4 20's on it, I don't care.
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Originally posted by Pongo
There were 2000 me 262s made. Is that what you meant by your comparison?
I think the 4 hispano Spit V and the 4 hispano Pony B should be available as perk selections.
But I also think they should take the Spit V down to typical spit V perfomance not have it set at the absolute best performance that could be achieved in the type by a test pilot.
Lol yeah sounds reasonable. Unperked Ponys,190D9s and Lalas but perk a lowly Spit 5.
Would suggest we have two models.
Leave the current high boost Spit 5, add the 4 cannon version with the lower boost engine (unperked).
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Originally posted by Pongo
There were 2000 me 262s made. Is that what you meant by your comparison?
I think the 4 hispano Spit V and the 4 hispano Pony B should be available as perk selections.
But I also think they should take the Spit V down to typical spit V perfomance not have it set at the absolute best performance that could be achieved in the type by a test pilot.
Hold the phone. What 4 hispano P51B are we referring to, since there wasn't one?
And if you are serious about a 4 hispano Spit Vc then put that gawd awful Vokes tropical filter on it, with the considerable reduction in performance like the ones that actually used the 4 20mms in the Med
Dan
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1105579700_4cannonspitvc.jpg)
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The Mustang MkA (or something similar) was a British variation of the P51. It would have been P51A model similar (if I can remember correctly again).
The british made some of these (not all) have 4 hispanos on them.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The Mustang MkA (or something similar) was a British variation of the P51. It would have been P51A model similar (if I can remember correctly again).
The british made some of these (not all) have 4 hispanos on them.
There was an Allison engined version of the Mustang with the 4 20s used operationally, but there was not a Merlin engined 4 20mm Mustang used in combat.
Dan
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One of the two Pony B prototypes had 4 hispanos. What you meant to say was that you never heard of it.
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Originally posted by Pongo
One of the two Pony B prototypes had 4 hispanos. What you meant to say was that you never heard of it.
Nope, I've seen the photos. But you prove the point. It was a prototype, not something that ever entered production.
Might as well start screaming for that Me262 with the 57mm cannon in the nose. How bout that Allison engined B17E?
Here's your 4 cannon 51B. Xp51B #2. Armament specified for the P51B was the same as the P51A. 4 50 cals. Do you suppose Hitech and company can model just 1 for us with the non standard engine installation and exhaust shrouds and pick one pilot to test it for us? And then we'll not enter it into production so no one can fly it :)
Dan
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1110784379_xp51b2.jpg)
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Hey...I just saw a pig fly. Oh ... wait, it was my roomates girlfriend being shot at by a paintball gun. Wow, fat chicks can run when motivated!
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Originally posted by Wolfala
Hey...I just saw a pig fly. Oh ... wait, it was my roomates girlfriend being shot at by a paintball gun. Wow, fat chicks can run when motivated!
Thought for a second you were referring to my P38G that you were so unkind to tonite :)
Dan
CorkyJr
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The list lacks the mk XII right?
how many were they?
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sorry did'nt know how many 262's were made thats why i wrote
i dont know the exact number of these lowely produced planes ,so tell me if im wrong..
i knew for a fact not many la7's were built
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Originally posted by Angus
The list lacks the mk XII right?
how many were they?
100 clipped wing Spit XIIs if that' what you are asking about. Flown operationally from February 43-September 44. Highest scoring Spit squadron out of England in the Fall of 43 was 91 Squadron and thier Spit XIIs.
Tangmere Wing from July 43 through January 44 was made up of the two Spit XII squsdrons and a Tiffie Squadron, so they were very active over France.
Dan
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No, there were a decent amount of 2 GUN La7's built.
The problem is that there were not many at all 3 gun La7's built. But yet again, the 3 gun La7 isn't perked, but it's picked on almost every occasion over the 2 gun La7.
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"Hold the phone. What 4 hispano P51B are we referring to, since there wasn't one?
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see what you have learned? Maybe you didnt know everything after all.
I assure you that you dont know HTs and Pyros every thought either.
Adding aircraft is at the heart of the marketing and success of this game. Being able to add very rare and capable aircraft is at the heart of the Perk system. There are pony pilots that would pay 1000 perks to fly that pony.
There are 190 pilots that would pay 500 perks to fly the 190D13.
Same for the spit v.
I dont think its very appropriate for someone who evidently doenst even know of the existance of such planes to rule that they have no place in the game. I want the F6F-4 as well.
Are they going to rush out and include these planes in the game next week? Or ever? unlikly, but the plane structure in the game
Its obvios that the game needs a little enhancement to allow the 3 gun la7 to be a perk plane while the 2 gun isnt. It would be a great addition to the game. Once you have that addition there are lots of cool limited run or prototype load outs that could be added. Those huge rockets for the Corsair, 6 20mm load out for the Fw190, maybe the mk103 for the Fw190. The soviets had lots of cool gun load outs. The BK37 on the Stuka would be cool.
So accepting that the 4 hispano Hellcat and Pony are as rare as is possible while still existing. They are interesting aircraft that would be cool to have in the game in some very restrictive way.
Ya I would rather have the Ki44 or the P39 but at some point we have all the main line planes. What then?
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No Pongo, I don't claim to know everything. But if you'd read my first comment correctly I said there were no P51Bs with 4 hispano's used in combat. That did not preclude me knowing that the XP51B existed in that configuration.
But as near as I can tell HTC does want some sort of historical connection used for the game.
If you start allowing one off prototypes, we might as well call this Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, X-Birds or something similar cause you are going to get screams for every one off variant ever made
Why not give the Jug drivers the XP47H, shown below. There were TWO of them. Twice the production of the 4 cannon XP51B. Or maybe the XP47J That one supposadly hit 493 MPH in level flight. No one will run from that beast then.
The list would be endless, but again, since HTC does seem to place some emphasis on a historical connection, it doesn't make sense to include one off X-birds etc.
Dan
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1110835426_xp47h.jpg)
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I think 99% of people that read your statement would read it like I did. But what ever.
The 50mm(you said 57mm, I assume you were rounding up) me262 saw combat. Included or not?
Same plane, R4Ms?
Same Plane, 2 mk 103, 2 mk 108, 2 mg151/20. Flown by an ace pilot. included or not?
The 57mm on the Mossie saw combat, included or not?
The US happened to be a long way from the front so thier experimental aircraft never saw combat. Are they restricted from the game for that reason?
Whats the rule going to be if you are makeing it.
I just think that the game should be enhanced to allow certain weapons loadouts selected in the hanger to be perked.
The exact planes that would be included doesnt really matter, there are many possibilities once the enhancement is in place.
As to what HT wants? He wanted the Hog C. Thats why we have it. Someone wanted the 3 gun La7. You rail against the decisions made by HT and Pyro but seem sure that they will aggree with you.
Safer just to present info and not speak for others.
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Not 'railing' against anything. Trying to point out that there would be a lot of other things that would make sense before anything like an XP51B with 4 cannon in the game.
You mention the P39 or Ki44. I'm all for it. The list of operational combat planes has a ways to go before it's time to look at and one off planes.
This started as a 4 hispano Spit thread. Trust me on this, I love Spits. Their history has been a passion long before computer flight sims.
That being said, if you are going to add Spits, there are others that make far more sense then a 4 cannon Spit Vc with a Vokes filter. At least a Spit Vb or normal Vc with the filter would make sense for all the Malta, North Africa based scenarios that seem to show up. The performance loss it had because of the large filter would make a difference vs the 109s
An LFIXe/XVIe makes a lot more sense. A decent Spitfire VIII as well as it was the main two stage Merlin Spit in the CBI and Pacific
The Spit XII is by far my favorite Spit having spend years researching it. But it's way down the list for me in AH as there are others, like the P39 that should get here first. You mention the Ki44. There are a lot of Japanese birds that should show up first too.
I love 51Bs as well. Most of us old timers who built models as kids did more then our share of the Monogram 1/48th 51B. But if I was asking for a tweak to that bird it would be to add the Malcom hood for the visibility not 4 cannon. It would allow more fun for the skinners for one thing, and it looks better in my opinion then the normal canopy on a 51B.
So if you are asking what my rule would be? It would be to make sure there is the widest variety of historically accurate aircraft available for all the countries. This helps the CT folks, the Scenario folks, the skinners, and those folks in the MA who don't want to fly the most uber rides around.
Save the X-birds and the what-ifs for the 1946 arena should there ever be one. Until then they're off the list.
Dan
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Well the game is allready developed counter to your rule.
I said if the 4 hispano Spit V was added to the game it would be added in the context of a perk load out. I gave the now established to exist 4 hispano Pony B as a simular and even more extreme example.
You have to get out of the habit of expressing your opinion as if it had more merit then others or more signifigance. Many people have come and gone from this board with a simular attitude and accomplished nothing.
Its a game. If it would be a better game that would make more money for HT with Air to Air guided missles on the Fw 190 then they would be in the game.
All you can speak for is yourself.
You seem to have the bad combination of declaring absolutes and believing you can debate an issue like this and having it matter in the game. It will not matter at all unless you make a case for improving the game.
All we have left is that you are now absolutly sure the PonyB with Hispanos existed, but should not be in the game.
Great.
My question is, would Pony drivers like a beast like that available at a high perk cost in the MA? How much work would it be for HT to have it? How would it enhance the MA game? How would it harm it?
But my point is in response to the thread starter. This is how it might be done in the game.
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Umm....how can I be speaking in absolutes when it's not my game?
You asked what my rule would be. I told you.
One of the absolutes from the HTC that came across loudly in the skins forum was that no skin would be accepted that wasn't historical.
Seems fairly clear to me then that history is a big part of HTC's thinking.
You can't have a pink Spit without some historical connection. Turns out there is one, so we have a pink Spit.
Guys asked about doing squad skins for their game squads. No go unless it's historical.
It still comes down to what HTC put's their resources towards doesn't it? Does it make sense to spend that time on a one off XP51 or to look at adding some of the planes that had an actual combat history in WW2?
You seem to think I'm mandating something. I don't have the power to. I'm just adding my argument against something which I thought was my perogrative.
Apparently we'll have to agree to disagree :)
Dan
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I think a 4 Hispano 51b will have the same impact if perked as the Tempest does.
If you're going to perk loadouts, I demand the following to be perked options:
12 .303 Hurri MkIIb
3 20mm La7
37mm Il2
37mm Ju87G
57mm B25
And that's all I can recall off the top of my head.
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Hey, you learned something and I got to see a nice picture of a malta spit on the Wasp.
Its all good.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I think a 4 Hispano 51b will have the same impact if perked as the Tempest does.
If you're going to perk loadouts, I demand the following to be perked options:
12 .303 Hurri MkIIb
3 20mm La7
37mm Il2
37mm Ju87G
57mm B25
And that's all I can recall off the top of my head.
6 20mm on the FW 190 would be nice. As would the mk 103 30mm.
Those tiny tim rockets for the Hellcat and Corsair.
the 57 mm for the Mossie would be nice. The B25 had a 75 not a 57 IFRC.
Many nice load outs for the KI84 and KI 61. Yaks had a 45mm thats not in the game.
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Speaking of desired perk loadouts, long long ago in a galaxy far far away (Well, Dayton, Ohio to be exact) there was an allied plane, nice drab green, with a monstrous gun slung under the belly for anti-shipping purposes. I don't know what it was, but I want that. Anyone have a clue as to what this plane is. I haven't been to Wright Patterson in ages (prolly close to 18 or 20 years now), but I've never forgotten that plane. The rifling looked to me like the splines on a drive shaft, it was an absolute beast. Put that in, and I'm okay with anything.
Cheers
hub
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Aren't you referring to the Mosquito with the 57mm gun?
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No, there were a decent amount of 2 GUN La7's built.
i show further my lack of knowledge lol
i feel enlightened on a few things now though:)
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(Mustang IA and P-51) four 20mm Hispano in wings.
The RAF received 620 Mustang I, 150 IA, and 50 II, while the US Army adopted the type with 500 A-36A and 310 P-51A.
*I know there were 150 IA with the cannons, but not sure if the 310 P-51A is the same as the P-51 above.*
I don't have a scanner, but I have a pic of a P-51 (NA-91). It's a nice pic, looking down on the plane. You can see the four cannons. The pic is also in the air, over some mountains.
I have a feeling that there were only about 150 built. From what I have read, they were designed for ground targets.
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Just for the record lasersailer not everyone flys the 3 gun la7.
Not that I fly the la7 that much anymore.
I got tired of all the whines ever time I made a kill. But when I do fly it I much prefer the 2 gun version.
But then maybe I'm just stubborn.