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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: iKo on March 12, 2005, 06:36:12 PM
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Dont know about all of you guys but this looks like a blast
Check this out (http://anfdownloads.abercrombie.com/aftv/archive/dogfight.wmv)
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Whoaaa Dude! Way cool!
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Worked for me? Looks really neat, bet I wouldn't be the same virtual ace IRL:D
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US Golfer and RV6 did that a little while back. I think RV6 does that often.
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that's awesome man.. wish i had an opportunity like that IRL.
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http://www.aircombat.com 995.00
Phase I
• Getting fitted with the proper gear
• Ground school, which will include:
• Basic Air Combat Maneuvers (ACM)
• High and Low Yo-Yo's
• Lead, Lag, and Pure Pursuit
• Gunsight Tracking
• Military Rules of Engagement (ROE)
• Safety Brief
• Physiological Effects of "G" Forces
• Flying Characteristics of the SIAI Marchetti SF260
• Flying minimum of six combat engagements
• Debriefing and review of the videotapes
And they travel around the country so you can do it close to home
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Now this is my idea of a dream come true ......just got to get to the states :)
http://www.parachutecenter.com/rides.htm
$500 per hour in a P51 :)
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when i was down in flordia for the 96 AW Con, i seem to remember people buying rides on Crazy Horse..the p51 Trainer. I know for a fact Gray Eagle took a ride and then showed everyone the video...it was sweet. You might be able to find the video out on the net...i know he had it linked to his website a long time ago.
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I WILL do this some day.
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Id do it..if I didnt have to go up in the air. Flying is too scary. Only way I'll die in a plane crash is if one lands on me house.
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If I make enough cash out here on the Gateway Tour I intend to challenge Soup (my squad CO) to a beating from me in the air before the summer. Be warned Soup hehe.
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These guys also tour the country, same type of deal. Cept they use T-6 Texans and have an actual A6M zero (or did back when I saw them). I think it was something like $3k for the dogfight.
http://www.natg.com/
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Originally posted by Stang
If I make enough cash out here on the Gateway Tour I intend to challenge Soup (my squad CO) to a beating from me in the air before the summer. Be warned Soup hehe.
On the Gateway Tour is it madatory to wear the Holstein caps? j/k
GL out there.
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I did this yesterday (gift from my wife for Christmas)
http://www.natg.com/wbflights.html
leave the house 8:00 am
Crystal clear blue sky day I flew down to F45 (North county) and went for what turned out to be nearly 45 min flight where you get instruction on the aerobatics while following the instructors control inputs first then you fly them yourself.
Very cool, did wingovers, loops, barrel rolls. Split S. and 4 point hesitation rolls and clover leafs. then back to landing get video of flight then I flew (my Cessna NOT the T-6 darn it) elsewhere for lunch and fuel then to home base to wash the bird and put it back in the hanger. Home for a cold beer at 5:30 pm
Best time with clothes on in a while.
Great day, even got the T-6 time logged as duel instruction
GREAT DAY!!
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sweet.
why they have the black panel on the cockpit rear? that vis would suck. like flying the IL2 :)
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Opened thread- thought they had deleated the LA-7 from the game. Anywa neat stuff!
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Cept they use T-6 Texans and have an actual A6M zero (or did back when I saw them).
Sure about that Star? I thought there were no real flying Zeros. Just some converted..uhh..Banshee?? from the movie Tora, Tora, Tora.
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As I said, they USED to. I havent seen them or their planes in a few years. It was 97 when I saw them outside of St Louis, and the Zero wasnt flying then (except for the owners, it was on "restricted" status). I did get a pretty good look at it, even inside the cockpit. However, its always a possibility they pulled one over on me as I wouldnt know if it was real or not. The only other A6M I have ever seen is in a picture. I was convinced, but as I said, that doesnt mean much.
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Found this spot also they use a Extra 300L plane do a 400 speed merge http://www.fightercombat.com/adv_aircombat.htm
they got lots of video on there site to
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The good ole gateway cow. I was a tech for gateway for 3 yrs.
Lot of cow spot shirts and stuff. lol
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Originally posted by Lye-El
Sure about that Star? I thought there were no real flying Zeros. Just some converted..uhh..Banshee?? from the movie Tora, Tora, Tora.
I did a little web search and on the warbird alley website it reports that two are still flyable out of 10,500 built.
So I stand corrected. :)
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Originally posted by DipStick
I WILL do this some day.
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$500 per hour in a P51
That's cheap! The Olympia Air Museum charges $600 for just 20 mintues.
:eek:
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Originally posted by Lye-El
I did a little web search and on the warbird alley website it reports that two are still flyable out of 10,500 built.
So I stand corrected. :)
Heh. I assume that the rice paper skin on those things tends to get a little brittle with age.
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I thought there were no real flying Zeros.
Chino and Commemerative Air Force both have flying Zeros. Mueum of Flying in Santa Monica also used to have one.
Speaking of Chino, they're having their annual air show on May 21-22. They're going to put up loads of WWII aircraft including 5 flying P-47s.
I'll be there.
:aok
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Originally posted by BigR
I know for a fact Gray Eagle took a ride and then showed everyone the video...it was sweet. You might be able to find the video out on the net...
Go here:
Damned Home (http://www.damned.org/)
Look at the menu on the left side for the link.
W~
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RV6 kicked the snot out of me. He didn't mention when I signed up he had 30 hours in a Marchetti (Mark-etti) when thats about what I had total time as a student pilot.
Here's us:
He's on the left, I'm on the right. That's me on his wing.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/621_1110861829_formationandhandshake.jpg)
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Hey Golfer did they restricked ya from any moves when flying 1st time up and how much time you get fighting in the air?
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No restrictions no holds barred. We were to fight each other 5 times, then fight the IPs (Instructor Pilots) once each. They were psyched about this because they don't really get to fly. While in a +4.5g pullup while vertical scissoring with the red baron...err...RV6 we were going to pass real close (there was forward progression on the canopy, so we would miss) and had been 'too close' for some time so the IPs knocked it off. Trouble was, this +4.5G pullup I was in was immediately turned into a -2.5g push. This messed me up. It wasn't the G's, it was not having control. I needed a break and couldn't get it back together. I didn't revisit my breakfast...but I didn't feel good either. Wound up not letting the IPs fly anyway :p
We were airborne for about 2 hours. Took about 15-20 to get to the practice area, another 5-10 to find a nice spot to fight in (RV6's post fight navigation put us right over the battlefields at Gettysburg!) and then some of our fights lasted several minutes. It was absolutely exciting and I am going to do it again. After you've done it, you're rates go down. Takes your $1000 misadventure to around $500. From a flying point of view, say you rent a twin for $200/hr and an instructor costs $40/hr. You're basically taking a multiengine lesson and converting it into wooooooo hoooooooooo fun.
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Thanks that helps alot just what i was looking for I am in the NJ area so Lancaster PA or NY would be the best where did you guys fly out of for this sounds like lancaster?
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Originally posted by Lye-El
I did a little web search and on the warbird alley website it reports that two are still flyable out of 10,500 built.
So I stand corrected. :)
Check this out
He flys one and tells about it!
http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/185354-1.html
http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/185520-1.html
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Originally posted by 6GunUSMC
US Golfer and RV6 did that a little while back. I think RV6 does that often.
I did it in November 2002. Even wrote up an AAR, whic I'll repost here.
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Oldman’s Aerial Adventure
Heh heh. They'll have to pry the grin off my face with a chisel.
Background, for those who didn’t catch it before. In celebration of Oldman’s attainment of the age of 50 years, an achievement which many thought to be impossible, a very good friend gave me a day at Air Combat USA. http://www.aircombatusa.com/ The organization is based on the Left Coast, but takes its show on the road. This appointment was for Saturday, 2 November 2002, at Lancaster, Pennsylvania. They brought two of the SIAI Marchetti 260s to Lancaster. One instructor, one dweeb in each.
I leave home at 6:15 - in a cloud of snow. Not a good sign, but soon the sun pops out and life is good. I get to the airport after about 1.25 hours travel time, and am early. A bit later, my opponent pulls up to the FBO in a late-model fire engine red pickup truck, saunters out, age about 30, good looking. Took one look at me, you could see "breakfast" go through his mind.
This is definitely an ex-Navy operation; all three instructors (they rotated) were retired Navy or Marine; all former A4 pilots in this case. My instructor, believe it or not, was call sign “Buzzard.” Got the briefing, learned the parachute, walked out to the planes, took off.
Drill was for the pickup truck guy (who we will call Honcho for purposes of this missive) to lead while I practiced flying at his low 4:00. Immediate overcontrol problems on my part; looked like Gomer Pyle in an airplane. Finally got it so I could hold it within 50 feet up-down-sideways. Blue Angels will not be calling me soon.
Then follow Honcho through some 20-30 degree turns, left, right, left right. Practice low yo-yos, high yo-yos. Things are going good. Time for Honcho to drop into trail, follow me through some turns. One turn to the left. One turn to the right. Then Honcho's instructor comes on over the radio:
"Uh...I think we have to go back to base. He's not gonna make it."
My instructor is appalled. "Whaddaya mean he can't make it??" (He's an ex-Marine, remember.)
"He's really sick."
"Can't you just do a merge or two so I can work on the yo-yos?"
"Well...uh....ok, maybe some easy ones."
So I practiced that for a bit, but we were all acutely conscious that we were torturing poor Honcho, who by now had barfed, not once, but twice, all tied up in nice little plastic bags with twist-ties. So it's back to the airport, this time we're lead. I look down to the right, see Honcho's helmet lolling against the canopy. He looks dead. He probably wishes he was.
Landed. Honcho apologizes, looks around to see if there's a gun nearby that he can use on himself, ultimately takes his fancy truck and drives back to Maryland. What to do for an opponent for the surviving dweeb? Nothing for it but to use Honcho's instructor, call sign Pygmy, 35 years in the Navy starting in 1955, 4000 hours just in A4s, 183 combat missions over Viet Nam. You can see that he's worried.
So up we go in the afternoon. One of the guys in the flight before us has also barfed, big man, pale as a ghost, but not suicidal like the Honcho. I am feeling so superior.
Practice the formation flying on the way out....still not getting any calls from the demo teams. Practiced some lag rolls (fun!), then it was time for COMBAT!
Pygmy about one mile out on the left; both planes turn toward each other, speed up to about 180 kts each, closing at 360, meet co-alt, wings level (these were the rules of engagement - no lead turn stuff). I go up and left in an easy immel, Pygmy circles down to the left, I'm still overcontrolling, plane is shuddering, my instructor is saying "ease back ease back ease back," the nose goes down as Pygmy comes back up. Up and down after each other like this, Pygmy decides to reverse and give the Oldman an easy shot, which the Oldman happily takes. Smoke trails from Pygmy, the crowd cheers.
On the second flight Pygmy has decided to let the Oldman know that the first kill was because of easy treatment. This time the turns are probably 3g (interesting that the speed bleeds off so quickly that you can't get more than that before you hit stall), I'm overcontrolling as always, shuddering in the stall, Pygmy is on me within a few seconds, and I'm trailing smoke, which is also filling the cockpit. Time to open the hood a few inches, let some of that cool fall air (-22 C) into the plane. OK, so he got me, big deal, there's always fight number three.
To compress this story, it is enough to say that I am doing a very good job at situational awareness, a pretty decent job at staying in his rear quarters, overcontrol is my big problem. Of the six fights, I am victor in four, although we all know that Pygmy is not perceiving this as a fight for his life. On my first pullout from a dive, looking straight up through the canopy at Pygmy, my head suddenly weighs 4.5 times its normal fathead self, and I think it is going to pop off and land in the luggage compartment behind me. Still sore (just a little) today. Otherwise, its just like the computer games.
On the way home, oddly enough, the Oldman begins to feel a bit queasy himself. Would not do to barf after all the fun we've been making of the Honcho, so I busy myself looking at the scenery. Amazingly, I'm able to hold a pretty good formation by this time, which is fortunate, because I find that watching Pygmy’s plane makes me feel sicker.
Land the plane, the queasiness goes away instantly, I am my old confident self and am also walking two inches above the surface of the pavement. Shake hands with Pygmy, who is, to my surprise, not a real happy camper. My instructor thinks it's because he had to work too hard. I wonder if it’s because I almost hit him. I don't care. I could do this all day, unless I were to get sick like the weak people.
Plainly one of the best days of my life. Am wondering how I can afford to buy two of these planes, at $500k each.
Observations from the AW/AH perspective:
My Real Airplane experience was very much like the transition from AW to AH. The general maneuvers, SA and techniques are the same. But the plane takes getting used to. A lot more getting used to than I could do in a couple of hours.
First impression: I need Big T to set the stick scaling. I doubt that the top of the stick ever moved more than two inches during any of my maneuvers, and usually lots less than that, and I was still overcontrolling. It really is just a matter of the amount of pressure you apply. The joysticks on these planes, FWIW, were, exactly, the old Thrustmaster FCS, complete with hat switch (which I never thought to ask about) (although I’m pretty sure it didn’t control the views).
Second impression: The combat looks just like it does with the early war planes in AH. Same speeds, same distances, visually, at least. I was very comfortable with that.
Funny impression: You think of it the way you think of the game. When I was looking up, I thought, distractedly, “Hey, this is the 5-key view.” When I was communicating, I though “Intercom is button 3, radio is button two.” After we passed on the merge, I though “Raise head, look kp 2-4.”
There was much less feel to the planes than I expected. I never did really get a sense of when I was about to hit the stall, until the plane began to shudder. My instructor actually got a bit agitated about this. Marines, what are you gonna do with them?
Main computer sim impression: Flying AW and AH helped a lot. You know what you want to do, and, pretty much, the plane does it, just like in the game. I was complimented on my ability to keep the other plane in sight (thank you, HR, for your post long ago on the AOL boards) and to stay (usually) (well, a lot, at least) behind him. I didn’t have to think about what I should do next, it came naturally because of all those years of virtual reality practice.
And let me tell you, playing AH is a lot cheaper than playing the real thing.
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Very nice oldman thanks for the reply was very insightful. wtg I see alot of you guys seem to have tryed this in Lancaster maybe if some of you want we can get a group to go some time.
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Did this in Aug 2011 and it was a dream that came true
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If I make enough cash out here on the Gateway Tour I intend to challenge Soup (my squad CO) to a beating from me in the air before the summer. Be warned Soup hehe.
No soup for you!
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Who wants 7 year old soup anyway? :D
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:bhead
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I flew at Air Combat USA a while back. A person who is good in AH will (with a little adjustment) be good in the real planes.
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I flew at Air Combat USA a while back. A person who is good in AH will (with a little adjustment) be good in the real planes.
Yes it did help a lot, but pulling all those 4 and 5 G's wears you out real fast and afterwards I felt like I was in a punching bag all day. I was lucky I was up against a guy that could handle them and made it very good fights. some fights lasted 10 min or more.
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Congrats iKo..
Kinda cool to see an update like this.