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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Vudak on March 15, 2005, 01:26:37 AM
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Could someone who's familiar with the Bible help me find a few quotes please, or at least give me a rough idea of what chapters I might find them in? It's kind of a big book :)
Specifically, I'm looking for a few quotes regarding a scenario where there's a beggar or lepper or whatnot on the street and someone either treats them like junk, or treats them nice and they turn out to be an angel in disguise kind of deal. You know, like the song :)
I need these because I'm thinking about writing a little bit on something I saw in NYC a few months ago... I was on my way out of the city and in the middle of the inevitable traffic jam to the onramp. The destitute sort of hang out along the way with signs and what not... Anyway, I flip a guy a few bucks, the guy behind me - in a PORSCHE - flips him the finger... All I can say is "enjoy it now, bud, enjoy it now."
Any help is very much appreciated!
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I think Luke 16 is the closest you'll find. It's a bit preachy, and not exactly what you're looking for... but...
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Originally posted by Vudak
I need these because I'm thinking about writing a little bit on something I saw in NYC a few months ago... I was on my way out of the city and in the middle of the inevitable traffic jam to the onramp. The destitute sort of hang out along the way with signs and what not... Anyway, I flip a guy a few bucks, the guy behind me - in a PORSCHE - flips him the finger... All I can say is "enjoy it now, bud, enjoy it now."
Hmmm, some Porsche drivers have distorted values. Quite clearly, many have massive egos, and the purchase of that Porsche is the most important thing in their lives. They don't care about anything else or anyone else, just themselves. Keyword=Image. There's a guy who lives round the corner from me who proudly revs up his Boxter, and goes blasting out of here every morning with the top down (unless it's raining stair rods). Funny thing is, his house is worth 3 times what that car is worth, and yet it's in a dilapidated state, with paint peeling away from the window frames and falling off in lumps.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Hmmm, some Porsche drivers have distorted values. Quite clearly, many have massive egos, and the purchase of that Porsche is the most important thing in their lives.
I don't know why that would be, as a Porsche is pretty much a little watermelon box of a car. I'd never in a million years buy one.
Sure they drive well and are fast......but they are like a freaking go-kart inside.
I'd much rather have an Atom.
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this a Porsche thread ?
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what is the difference between and a porcupine?
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Originally posted by beet1e
Hmmm, some Porsche drivers have distorted values.
lol
Not to mention the fact that they pay enormous prices for what I would place #1 on the list of ugliest vehicles ever made.
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cool a Porsche thread!
(http://www.motiontrends.com/2000/features/mondial/photos/Porsche%20911%20GT.jpg)
:aok
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LOL well it's still early I suppose :rolleyes: :aok
Luke 16 eh?
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Here's the most appropriate passage from Luke 16:
19“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22“The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[c] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
25“But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
And here is a nice one from Matthew 25 about how we should treat the poor and unfortunate:
31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40“The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’
41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45“He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
I used the passage/keyword searches available here:http://www.biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com)
Just found this site in the last couple of days.
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Thanks Oboe! :)
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Many different versions... and it's searchable...
http://bible.crosswalk.com/
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i give money to beggers, so far they have all been beggers, no angels.
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Originally posted by john9001
i give money to beggers, so far they have all been beggers, no angels.
Which is a good thing. Whenever God needed a killing, who did he send? ;)
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Originally posted by john9001
i give money to beggers, so far they have all been beggers, no angels.
Only as far as you know...someday you may find out different.
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I find troubling the idea that the impetus for donating money to someone who needed it would be that you might get something in return.
When I give money, it's because they need it and I have it to give.
I see parallels in other aspects of religion too. For example, christians/jews/muslims are ordered to be good people and do good things so that they will receive a reward (heaven, paradise). They are admonished that if they do bad things, they will suffer the flames of hell.
Is the punishment/reward element really the indicator of strong moral fiber?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I find troubling the idea that the impetus for donating money to someone who needed it would be that you might get something in return.
When I give money, it's because they need it and I have it to give.
I see parallels in other aspects of religion too. For example, christians/jews/muslims are ordered to be good people and do good things so that they will receive a reward (heaven, paradise). They are admonished that if they do bad things, they will suffer the flames of hell.
Is the punishment/reward element really the indicator of strong moral fiber?
actually Christianity is about grace, umerited favor. it's about taking God at his word. not at all about being good. no one is good not even you chairboy.
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Originally posted by storch
no one is good not even you chairboy.
It's true, your religion says that nobody is good. I decide not to share in that collective error.
Your religion also suggests that the only way to be good involves worshipping some guy. I'd argue that actions speak louder then words.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I find troubling the idea that the impetus for donating money to someone who needed it would be that you might get something in return.
When I give money, it's because they need it and I have it to give.
I see parallels in other aspects of religion too. For example, christians/jews/muslims are ordered to be good people and do good things so that they will receive a reward (heaven, paradise). They are admonished that if they do bad things, they will suffer the flames of hell.
Is the punishment/reward element really the indicator of strong moral fiber?
It keeps the unthinking in line and that in itself is a good thing.
I care less about people's motives than I do about the consequences in this case.
But to give you my answer to your question: true generosity is giving without receiving a reward. Or giving despite being given a punishment for doing so. If it is for reward/not getting punished, you're not giving; you're bargaining
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Originally posted by Chairboy
It's true, your religion says that nobody is good. I decide not to share in that collective error.
Your religion also suggests that the only way to be good involves worshipping some guy. I'd argue that actions speak louder then words.
you've been wrong before. in this case you are wrong with unfathomable consequences. (see st. santa's post re consequences)
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Originally posted by storch
you've been wrong before. in this case you are wrong with unfathomable consequences. (see st. santa's post re consequences)
Super dooper, thanks for contributing.
Anyhow, back to the subject. I can see the allegorical value of the story the original poster was looking for, but I want to mention how it translates to me: "Be nice to people, because the person you're being nice to might do something nice for you." Is this an accurate summary of the intention?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Super dooper, thanks for contributing.
ever been to mexican restaurant when fajitas are served up? :D
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I am not a Christian, but I was at one point (forced to go as a kid, and didnt start having an issue with it untill Christian school).
I am not anti Christian, and I do not mind our country beingbased on it for the most part. As long as we do not start passing religious laws it is all good.
Still, looking at the exhange between Storch and Chair it reminds me how some Christians can be pretty counter productive in the ways they present themselves.
Storch, you in effect told Chairboy he is going to burn in hell, that is a very good way to sour him on Christans and Christianity. You may believe it but its kinda rude to say.
My mom is very religous, she also has had 14 back surguries. Some "christian" ***** told her all her back problems are because she must be a bad sinner. I had to walk away.
My point here being some christians do way more harm to their cause then good, by being judgemental *******es. (I am not calling you a ******* Storch, you were fairly mild)
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no I didn't I was changing the subject to a somewhat related topic. :D
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Originally posted by beet1e
Hmmm, some Porsche drivers have distorted values.
What's the difference between a Porsche and a porcupine? A porcupine has salamanders on the outside.
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>>Anyhow, back to the subject. I can see the allegorical value of the story the original poster was looking for, but I want to mention how it translates to me: "Be nice to people, because the person you're being nice to might do something nice for you." Is this an accurate summary of the intention?<<
Thats what I got. That or an angelic sting. Undercover angels?
You'd think you give something to someone because you genuinely care about them and not to manipulate what people think about you or score brownie points in the next life. I think if one is forever learning in this universe, one day they will genuinely care and give for the sake of giving. But if this life is just a short pop quiz to decide where you spend eternity, I guess I'm in trouble.