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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: artik on March 16, 2005, 05:16:32 AM
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Hi,
As far as I know HTC will not support other then Windows PC versions of AH.
I've heard that there is people who managed to run AH under Linux using WINE.....
Have anybody tryed this for AH2..... any chances to run AH under Linux?
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If you use search you will find discussion about this. At least one user claims he managed to run AH1 on linux and did it with better fps than windows.
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Yes,
I've seen this post, however,
Has anybody tryed this with AH2?
Maybe someone has an experience of running different 3D games of Linux using WINE?
BTW: I've heard that there is no problem running WarBirds under Linux and Targetware has version for Linux.
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Trying to understand this. You don't want to run AH under windows but you would like to run something on a linux box that emulates windows so you could run the program that you did not want to run on windows? Why not run in under windows? :confused:
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The reason is simple - I don't need Windows.
I use Linux for all my everyday needs. However I need it for AH only.
I can keep it and use dual boot system and waste diskspace recources etc in order to fly AH only.
If I can use WINE that simulates Windows API (note - not all windows but small part of it) I can keep playing AH without having dual boot system waste approximatly 1-1.5G diskspace and without need to reboot the computer each time I want to play.
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It's so easy to setup an application to try and run under WINE that you should give it a go and come back and let us all know how it worked. :)
On a side note...if you have issues trying to run it on the Open Source version of WINE I might suggest using the 3rd party version that you can get from http://www.transgaming.com. I have used their application in the past to get some very intensive games to run under linux, like Everquest for example. In addition to what the open source version of WINE provides...the version from transgaming also adds support for directX API calls.
So...just a friendly suggestion or two...hope they help.
P.S.
If you try I'd be interested in knowing what type of success you have. I'm temped to try it myself as I have a fairly nice system that does absolutely nothing but AH on WinXP.
~Poizen
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The problem is quite simple:
I have old computer running Linux and not able to run AH2 but AH1 only.
New computer with XP running AH. If I want to move it completly to Linux I need to make sure that things I need will work......
The link you've given is very interesting..........
Thank you :aok
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Well, given the issues I am having running it under windows, good luck to you runnig under a simulated windows environment :)
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take a look ..... but this was form AH1 and 2002 realize.....
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47578
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Originally posted by Manedew
take a look ..... but this was form AH1 and 2002 realize.....
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47578
Wow that is interesting - I havn't seen this thread it is really interesting.
Thanks!!!!
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I've wanted to give it a go with AH2 for some time but just havent lit the fire to do it. Since I work on linux/unix all day thats the last thing I wanna do when I get home lol
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I see Windows everyday at work.......... So I can't see it more... at least at home I want to remain with Linux
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Build it for the fruit!!!
APPLE ROCKS!
Ren
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Then Damned
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Originally posted by artik
I see Windows everyday at work.......... So I can't see it more... at least at home I want to remain with Linux
Ask for an office without one :D
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...and all this time I thought Apple computers were for people who lacked the coordination to use two fingers on a mouse. :D
J/K
There might actually be a chance of making it work on an Apple now that they replaced that crappy old OS they had with something that uses a BSD kernel. :aok
~Poizen
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Originally posted by Poizen
...and all this time I thought Apple computers were for people who lacked the coordination to use two fingers on a mouse. :D
J/K
There might actually be a chance of making it work on an Apple now that they replaced that crappy old OS they had with something that uses a BSD kernel. :aok
~Poizen
Is that what it is? Since I figured I only had to use one finger for the apple it would have to carry over to the PC. And all this time I used one finger from one hand and another finger from the other hand to run my PC mouse!:(
BTW, did ya know PC means piece of ch...never mind. :D
Ren
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The Damned
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Apple is going to sell a two button mouse soon. No kidding, saw it on slashdot a few days ago.
I use linux at work when I can (running all kinds of fun stuff on it).
I would suggest you try codeweavers.com for your wine needs. It is quick and easy to install and it streamlines all of your windows software installations. Any pc user could figure it out, and maybe even an apple nut, but I doubt it (A computer operating system that actually causes users to know less after they turn the computer off then when they started using it). I like the fact they are using BSD over there rather than that pos appleOS of yesteryear, but jesus, why not just use linux or solaris, and not have to buy their overly expensive equipment?
Any way, another point is that wine is not an emulator. It is basically a ground up collection of files and folders that convince your pos windows software that you are in fact running windows. If it were a true emulator there would be no problem running any windows software.
I am currently running under linux
MS office XP
Dreamweaver MX
Photoshop 7
Adobe Reader 6
Endnote 7
among others.
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Who's this "erg" n00b?:rolleyes:
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Another possibility is the vmware workstation edition. Probably not what you're looking for, but it is another option.
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You do know that any PC mouse works on a mac now? Just plug it in and right click and scroll wheel work as well. Hitech's position on porting to Mac is understandable. But darn if Targetware doesn't look great on a Mac!
Targetware does have a Linux (almost, but not quite) beta and some are getting much higher frame rates than Windows version.
As much as some of us would love to ditch Windows, I don't see HTC offering a Linux version during my lifetime.
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hehe slash, I know I have been very absent, but I promise, once the doctorate is in the bag (1 more month OH MY GOD I AM GOING TO KILL MYSELF), I will be up again...
erg
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Oh yeah, and macs have had multi button mice forever, but never made by Apple, always by others. Multi button trackballs are ancient for macs.
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Good to see ya erg, hurry the hell up and get back <
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Originally posted by Rolex
You do know that any PC mouse works on a mac now? Just plug it in and right click and scroll wheel work as well. Hitech's position on porting to Mac is understandable. But darn if Targetware doesn't look great on a Mac!
Two meece buttons. Guffaw! Why would any dedicated apple user from back in the day want two buttons when one works just fine? :)
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It would be nice if HTC would support different platforms however because the project form the beggining was build for PC/Windows and used DirectX then it is quite hard to prot it to another environment.
Unlike TW that they build their code that will suit any platfrom - in particularry they use OpenGL.... and now they can build same project on different platforms Mac, Linux, PC Win.
There are people who like Windows/Mac/Linux but utill monopoly of Microsoft will be finally destroyed the game developers will be aimed mostly on MS Win.
EDIT: And one more Linux become better and better and it is user friendly now at same level (even if not more) as MS Win ,allready working at AMD 64 etc, when MS spends most of the time in closing huge security holes they did in their system and try to make it stable..... when the system license costs huge money....
Thus it seems to be that in near future game developers will have to be ready to work for oth systems.......
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Particularly since air sim people are a cheap bunch. Bad enough I have to pay for hardware, at least the OS could be free, the game is free (the software), and this would be right in line. I hate having to pay Bill to play something Hitech made.
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Originally posted by ergRTC
Particularly since air sim people are a cheap bunch. Bad enough I have to pay for hardware, at least the OS could be free, the game is free (the software), and this would be right in line. I hate having to pay Bill to play something Hitech made.
That's really good point.......
BTW does anybody know what is the approximate ratio between amount Linux users and MS Windows users? 5% 10% more???
If it will become closer (someday) to 30%-50% then the game developers will have to start porting their games to Linux environment.
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Question: What does Linux/unix do better than any other OS.
Answer = Networking.
Question: why would you want to be able to run linux AND AH at the same time?
Answer = Networking!
Plus, windows is a resource's hog, any linux driver knows this.
I had a Pentium 133 running QNX (linux varient) and my P3 1.67 both doing bandwidth speed tests on the same connection at the same time.
The P133 showed up as on a T1. Because it was networking so much better than my system running windows.
So why would you want to run AH in Linux?
Answer = Networking, Faster better smoother connects to HTC.
Less warp, fewer disco's, etc.
Only real problem as I understand it.
Is that Linux doesn't have poppa gates making Direct X for linux users.
So getting video, sound, joystick to work are harder.
At least thats my opinion.
Call me a closet slackware wannebe.
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From what I've read about TW Linux version vs Win version the linux one runs smoother without freezes and other stuff. Also lots of people had reported increase in frame rate.
Thus I think running games under linux is not bad stuff
Another significant issue is memory.
I've get significant gain in AH perfomance when 256MB additional memeory were added (now it 512) to my Laptop I usually fly with it (1.3Ghz Radeon 9000 32Mb).
If you run 256MB computer then you get 180-200MB "eaten" by Win XP and graphical applications require lots of memory - you do not have really enough resources.
However when I run my Linux PC wiith Fedora Core 3 with Gnome I get only 80-100MB used!!!! Thus the rest remains for applications that is important for graphics.... it may significantly gain the perfomance. And if you really want to reduce amount of used memory (for low end compuers) you may not run Desktop when you play some kind of games but lightweight window manager.
Another - antiviruses
I do not want to disable AV at Windows in order to run game smoother - but if AV starts some kind of tests it can dramatically reduce perfomance of the PC...... As we know anti virus is not issue under linux ;)
Same about different spyware that takes lots of memory and requires antispyware soft to run :mad:
So let's see and wait how MS makes more and more bugs and security holes and is pushed from the market.
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One more interesting I've found:
How many people would like to run games under Linux:
From TW download page I've seen that there is about 12000 dowloads of Win version and about 2000 downloads of Linux version that is about 8%...... it is not neligable amount.
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game companies are reluctant to make games for linux for a simple reason - support will be a nightmare with so many various linux implimentations out there.
I can only wish otherwise
Bozon
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I would say usage as a desktop is maybe less than 2%. Servers are much higher 20% - 50% or so. All depends on what you are considering as linux, perhaps a better way to put it would be 'not windows', as solaris is now opening up, and apple is running BSD, and I pretty much consider freeBSD and its variants all part of the same move to linux/unix based operating systems.
The support issue is a big one. TW was able to do it because, if I remember correctly, they made the program on linux (software development is cheaper and easier on a unix based machine, or so I have heard, if you are not using direct x).
Sad thing about support on linux, is that it should not really be a problem (but once the people that use windows switch to linux, they will find a way to mess it up). I have never used joysticks or anything like that in linux, but I have to imagine that as long as you have the right kernel, it pretty much should work no matter what (hahahahahahahhaha yeah right).
I run fedora 3 with 1gb of ram and it looks to me like gnome and kde are happy to swallow as much ram as you give them, but it does not slow my coldfusion, apache, mysql, or sunray servers. In fact with 2 people running sunray thin clients off of my 2.4 ghz fedora box, MS word still boots up faster than it does on my XP 2.8 ghz game machine at home. (I also have a 4x300mhz 64bit ultra sparc system with 2 gb of ram running solaris 10, but that thing is really only meant to be a web server).
erg
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One more.....
I've tryed to run TW at my old PC:
Pentium II 350Mhz ATI Rage 16MB
It was able to run AH1 but AH2 can't
I remember when I've tryed to run Targetware at Win - it just didn't work get stuck and other bad things.......
At linux..... it runs smooth.......
We should threw away Bill's by product!!!!!!
I think it is because of two things:
1. Memory - that WinXP takes all of it.
2. OpenGL that is bad supported under windows
Maybe someday HTC will support other platform!!! I hope.
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Sure, Linux is currently more difficult to get joysticks working, but don't you think the 'support' problems for Linux are are bit overstated?
The Linux user is far more familar with his hardware than the average Windows user. He has most likely jumped through a few hoops to get peripherals and hardware working anyway. I would say they are more likely to find or create solutions themselves and share those with others.
But, I still don't see AH running on anything but Windows... ;)
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I think the major problem for proting AH to Linux or other platfrom (MAC) is DirectX and other windows related stuff.
Other problem is support of two versions that is quite complicated for company of 5 programmers.
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Originally posted by artik
One more.....
I've tryed to run TW at my old PC:
Pentium II 350Mhz ATI Rage 16MB
It was able to run AH1 but AH2 can't
don't blame OS blame AH2 (the app itself)...
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You right Pony..... but in case of TW it is about the system that Windows wasn't able to run and Linux runs it.....
About AH.... yes you right I don't need new graphics engine..... but it is now allready history and HTC will not support AH1.......
But you know...... it is not game only there is another stuff that is more important then specific game environment..... you know what I'm talking about.
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Exciting development for Linux users
Wine 1.1.26
Kubuntu 9.04
Vid Memory set to 128 cuz thats what I have..
Resolution only at 1024x768
Video texture set to 128 in display settings at stertup
28 - 30 FPS
Logged in online ... it worked...
Will try flying it next.... :O
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interesting scrap that reminds me i was going to see if i can get AH to run on my 6 year old laptop running linux.
if it has more than 30 FPs im not responding or talking to another whiner again.
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Exciting development for Linux users
Wine 1.1.26
Kubuntu 9.04
Vid Memory set to 128 cuz thats what I have..
Resolution only at 1024x768
Video texture set to 128 in display settings at stertup
28 - 30 FPS
Logged in online ... it worked...
Will try flying it next.... :O
Seriously all I ever get to is the white screen? This is an interesting development
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YEE GODS IT WORKS!! THANKS
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Am interested at how well it works for ya pervert...
I did forget to mention to that I type in -opengl in the command. Are you able to get it going without that and what is your setup...
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What frame rates you getting Pervert?
Interested in this (Ya, I'm odd like that - sue me).
What flavour linux, wine as above 1.1.26? etc, system specs etc.....c'mon man, details.
Wurzel
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It's official, set up my controls and went into the MA with success.. avg FPS was 42 and it would surge to 109 was the peak.. I had a few issues with the smoke on burning hangars and such, but that could be my vid card too. I could hear all sounds, even vox. :rock
I think that we are on our way...
gpwurzel, if you are playing AH2 with success in Windows then a linux system on there would be fine..
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One Finnish pilot i know fly occasionally AH2 too, and he had Ubuntu+Wine setup (actually i am not sure if it was Cedega or Wine)
It worked fine, totally playable.
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I used the used the new beta release of wine but I'm pretty sure its acees high that has changed with this update and not wine itself.
I installed the old version of aces high pre update but still got the white screen, uninstalled and tryed the new Aces High and it works.
Only issue I had was quitting the game on the way out the mainscreen clipboard background goes transparent (but you can still see all the writing options etc) this only happens when you quit not on the way in. Apart from that everything works vox etc and I was able to map my joystick in game including the hat. I get fps on average of 25-35 but bear in mind this is a rubbish old packard bell about 5 years old this is still a lot better than I had with windows especially around trees and in ack.
The only thing I have to sort is the forcefeed back for my stick while it works ie it centres itself there are no ff effects stall buffet guns etc.
ps scrap the OS is just the latest ubuntu
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That is cool that it works so well on that old of a machine.. what processor and Vid ram do you have.. Just curious.
The Clipboard on the splash screen does the same thing to me, but that is no big deal... I have to tune a few things down, but I will see if a faster vid card would improve things... I wanted to share some screenshots but I cannot find them or I have remapped the button .. Oh well. this is exciting and it seems that there will be a good following.. :aok
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The graphics and that are still of the super mario kind thats probably why the frame rate is so good for an old box. The card is nvidia a real old one from a PC I built (the packard bell when new came with intergrated graphics that caused aces high to freeze) I think its 128mb or more likely 64mb. I'll post you the full spec once the kids have finished playing on it.
Thats quite impressive fps and your machine what kinda specs you running? I'm taking it you have the cool new graphics :lol
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Well I don't have all the cool graphics. But I can play it. I think that a new vid card will enhance performance... here are my system specs from Dxdiag in windows.
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 1534MB RAM
Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce FX 5500
In Game I am running 1024x768 res. textures set t0 128, Advance graphics off, Obj. Detail about 1/2 way, Ground(or Distance) about 1/2 way.. no horizon..
In Windows I have to run the same settings.. to get a steady 30 - 42FPS
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Coo! thanks for the update.
I doubt I will be able to run this on my intel onboard graphics but I may try just for the heck of it. On windows I can get ~20 fps off line. I am just wondering how wine will do in comparison.
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interesting scrap that reminds me i was going to see if i can get AH to run on my 6 year old laptop running linux.
if it has more than 30 FPs im not responding or talking to another whiner again.
will try on my 7 yrs old desktop after I got it fixed (need new PSU), Was running quite good the 2.12 AH version with cedega, I want to try this new version now just for fun..... Oh and I miss my sidewinder precision pro.