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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mechanic on March 16, 2005, 02:33:17 PM
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i'm totaly fed up with some maroon shooting AA shells at a enemy plane that is at most 400yrds from a friendly.
Its bloody ridiculous!
It wasnt like i was close to the CV. probably on memory i was 5-7k from it.
watch this film:
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/files/film16.ahf
it doesnt show the puffy ack burst but that is what hit me, i have no doubt.
so, a good fight for about 40 seconds.
the zero is no more than 50-100 yrds from me when i am hit full on by manned 5" ack.
WTFG 'Slap60' great fight, you deserve that kill. well done!
Hitech if you dont see the BS in being able to kill an enemy and do no damage to a friendly in this kind of situation then I give up.
please, PLEASE change something to avoid this situation happening.
myself and yonoi arranged to fight one on one and i got pelted by puffy ack.
its a joke.
at least make it kill both planes or niether of them.
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batfink
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Yup... got my engine last night in a furball. Was fantabulous.
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Originally posted by mechanic
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myself and yonoi arranged to fight one on one and i got pelted by puffy ack.
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Just an idea, why not "arrange" the fight where the ack isn't?
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Someone blasted me with a five inch gun the other night while I had 17 kills in a Tempest. It happens. I don't get too worked up about it. Next time I won't furball so closely to the enemy carrier.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Ship gunners are in a tie for third in the top killers of me. Add in all my deaths to unmanned flak, and it's at #1. Gotta love it :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by wetrat
Ship gunners are in a tie for third in the top killers of me. Add in all my deaths to unmanned flak, and it's at #1. Gotta love it :rolleyes:
Sounds historically accurate then.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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This time I have a film of the guy hitting me beyond icon range. He is actually laughing in 200 about it.
Hey Mechanic, 1$ says someone will call BS on you.
Levi, its not about being worked up. Its about the action being BS. I for one cannot really see a CV when 6K out. It would sound more 'historically accurate' if damage was inflicted to friendly also.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Sounds historically accurate then.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Coulda sworn this game is about fighting planes, not turrets :rolleyes:
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Well of course it's silly and dumb. But it's part of the game, and that's that. You can choose to get worked up about it and blow a gasket, or you can accept that it's there and deal with it accordingly. I consider dying to five inch guns the equivalent of crashing to the desktop. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen, and there's not much you can do to avoid it when it does.
Maybe one day HTC will implement friendly fire into the five inch gun equation, and if they do, we'll all adjust to that too.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by wetrat
Coulda sworn this game is about fighting planes, not turrets :rolleyes:
So stop flying over bases and near carriers already. :P
-- Todd/Leviathn
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We ran accross a guy named Rig last night manning the ack on a carrier. I had allready killed the CA and we had hit a few of the guns on the carrier.
But this guy was uncanny. I was barely above the tree tops sneaking an Il2 arround him probably 10000 yards away and he flamed my engine. It took a whole squad opp to get that carrier.
The lack of shore guns at bases in this map can make the carrier that is manned so well very deadly.
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5" ack whoring is fun stuff. Please don't change it.
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Originally posted by dedalos
This time I have a film of the guy hitting me beyond icon range.
Personally, just because a guy goes out of icon range when I'm in a 5 inch it doesn't mean I quit shooting especially if there is nothing else to worry about at the moment.
I aim high and try to track his path. Can't think of an instance I actually hit anything doing that but I still try. Heck I had a flight of lancs on the deck last night heading at my Osti and I couldn't hit them either.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Well of course it's silly and dumb. But it's part of the game, and that's that. You can choose to get worked up about it and blow a gasket, or you can accept that it's there and deal with it accordingly. I consider dying to five inch guns the equivalent of crashing to the desktop. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen, and there's not much you can do to avoid it when it does.
Maybe one day HTC will implement friendly fire into the five inch gun equation, and if they do, we'll all adjust to that too.
-- Todd/Leviathn
If he does it will likley be because people commented on their experiance with it.
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Originally posted by Lye-El
Personally, just because a guy goes out of icon range when I'm in a 5 inch it doesn't mean I quit shooting especially if there is nothing else to worry about at the moment.
I aim high and try to track his path. Can't think of an instance I actually hit anything doing that but I still try. Heck I had a flight of lancs on the deck last night heading at my Osti and I couldn't hit them either.
lol, but due to lag and the way the FE updates when cons are far away, the con you aim for is not there. The path you are traking is not real. The con is somewhere else. Any hits are pure luck.
Levi man. Thats all I was looking for. Some one else to come out and say it is dumb. Whether it gets fixed or not its a dif story.
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Originally posted by Pongo
If he does it will likley be because people commented on their experiance with it.
Like the million other times they've done that? I'm pretty sure HTC knows about the capabilities of the five inch gun since they designed it that way.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Well of course it's silly and dumb. But it's part of the game, and that's that. You can choose to get worked up about it and blow a gasket, or you can accept that it's there and deal with it accordingly. I consider dying to five inch guns the equivalent of crashing to the desktop. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen, and there's not much you can do to avoid it when it does.
Maybe one day HTC will implement friendly fire into the five inch gun equation, and if they do, we'll all adjust to that too.
-- Todd/Leviathn
OK, now you are talking! If friendly fire is enabled, I have a list of names of folks on the rooks who aren't taking off of that carrier while I'm around!
1. 616Fubar
2. hub
3. heretic
4. Spade
5. Shawk
And so help me if I find shane around there!!! :p
BTW, my list is not made out of anger, just the need to be a pain in the prettythang
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What I find sad about the SOME of the guys who man the 5" guns is this. They start in the air, you vs him with a few others around in a small furball. You shoot him down several times in any plane he tries. Realizing he can't compete, the pathetic person has to jump into the 5" gun to get his "revenge". I've also been hit by manned ack while having CV group just on the horizon(can only see the wake trails). And it's normally the guy I just shot down. That kind of use for the 5" is pretty sad IMO.
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I rank puffy ack up there with divebombing Lancs and B24s Part of the game.
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Don't hold your breath re: changing the 5 inch guns.... they pay their money just like you do... and there are more of them.
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Why's jumping into a 5" to kill someone who killed you 'pathetic'?
To me, that's more like 'stupid' on the part of the one who shoots down the same guy over and over again near a CV, because anybody would know that getting shotdown again and again would be frustrating, and that guy would be jumping into a 5" flak and shoot at you.
And yet, people still linger around, and then get shot down by 5" guns, and then complain about it?
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ok, so a torrade of opinions.
i take them all and by the way, im not angry more frustrated.
I dont know if anyone actually bothered watching the film, but if you did, you will see how ridiculous it is.
The A6M is literally 50yrds from me in a tight scissor or whatever when the shell burst inbetween us.
Only thing i object to is being able to kill me but no damage to his friendly.
Yonoi must be pissed because he was robbed of his hard earned kill, and I am pissed because he was robbed of his hard earned kill.
this isnt about 'oh no its another puffy ack whine'. this is about total lack of respect for the two people engaging in combat.
like the ref in a boxing match suddenly smacking one of the guys in the head with a bat.
seriously, there was no need to shoot.
just total rubbish and pathetic 'air quake' mentality.
I wasnt there for warbirds, or Air warrior, but i think it is possible i play this game for the same reasons you all did back then.
the glory of the kill, the thrill of the chase, the passion of the fight.
to have such emotions blasted away by these means is just ludicrous.
OK. so i dont mind if i am hit by the puffy ****, but surely for it to kill me and inflict no damage on a guy who is 50 yrds from me is just absurd.
whoever said 'dont fight one on one by the CV.....
he was a CV based zeke, i was a land based spit. stands to reason that we would meet somewhere between CV and base.
anyhow, lock the thread, ban me, do nothing about it as usual but i stll call BS in a major way.
i'll forget about it........untill the next time.
:rolleyes:
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Like the great wizards say;
"It's only BS when you're shot down"
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did you watch the film, oh wise man?
and no, your wizards are not that smart.
if it had been the other way around and he was blasted from 7k while i was struggling to kill him i would chew the ear off the dweeb who did it.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Why's jumping into a 5" to kill someone who killed you 'pathetic'?
Mostly b/c he isn't talented enough to get you in the air so he has to resort to this tactic. It's just sad! When I've met someone who clobbers me, my 1st thought isn't to get in a lazer guided 5" gun and get a shot near him to kill him. My thought is to either:
1) Avoid him and go after someone else
2) go elsewhere to fight
3) ask the person for advice and/or ask to go to DA for practice
4) lastly, up and try again! You might lose your virtual plane and hurt your all important score. But maybe through filming and fighting him you could learn something!
I've never gotten any enjoyment from hoppin into a 5" guns to kill someone who has just killed me. Maybe people such as yourself Kweassa get enjoyment from it and that's fine, to each their own. Lately when it happens to me I take it as a compliment. They had to jump into their little lazer gun b/c it was the only way to kill me.
Also, it's not always by the carrier. Several times I've died 3k+ away. The guy will single you out before the dive bombing lancs 2k out from CV just to help his bruised ego.
Originally posted by Kweassa
To me, that's more like 'stupid' on the part of the one who shoots down the same guy over and over again near a CV, because anybody would know that getting shotdown again and again would be frustrating, and that guy would be jumping into a 5" flak and shoot at you.
Well if trying to fight other aircraft in a game based on air combat is stupid... well then I'm stupid:aok
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I think the dumbest part of puffy ack is when you take damage from friendly guns. For instance, chasing an enemy over your own cv and puffy ack is shooting at the guy you are chasing....but YOU take hits....just plain retarded.
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to be honest Elfie, i think this is good.
stupid on behalf of the virtual AI gunners, but at least its fair.
the 'non-killshooter' fact of puffy ack is a joke, as shown in the film (once again i expect most people just replied with the standard 'anti-whine' remarks intead of watching the film.)
i checked again and the range counter shows 58yrds at the moment of impact.
thats one lucky guy who sits 60yrds from an 88mm burst and is not hurt by it.
friendly fire should be something you must avoid.
we've seen the horrific aftermath in many a global conflict.
at the very least it should do no damage to the enemy if the friendly was hit also.
second best would be that the 5" gun is disabled for 10 miona after a friendly tag, and the perp is locked from puffy ack for a period of time.
best option i can see is that both planes are damaged by the ack AND the perp is booted from the gun for a week.
are we really not mature enough to use some disipline?
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5" ack should kill anything near it, friendly or foe. Or maybe some kind of 5" killshooter should be implemented... if you damage a friendly you get kicked out of the gun.
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Only problem I can see with a killshooter setting on the 5 inch guns is the gauranteed death after the 1,2 or 3 rd shot, since in my experience a friendly always enters my firing solution, especially when you have some enemy plane coming in at wave top height trying to torpedo the ship or they are lifting to try and intercept a group of bombers incoming and no matter how good a watch you keep, one minute the sky is clear, next they are there.
Inact the killshooter and you might as well remove the guns, because they would become useless and it isn't all that hard to sink the Battle Group as it is now, restrict the guns and you probably won't have any furballs near a Battle Group, because they will be sunk even quicker than they are now.
I do agree that both planes should suffer damage or get shot down (would change how the game was approached), but it comes back to the furball issue, if you do it near a Battle Group, then someone is going to try and shoot you down and I think it is relatively immaterial that it was someone you just shot down.
Just like spawn camping, if you keep spawning with a tiger watching the hole and complain about getting killed......well you know
:D
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Friendly ack would never be firing in real life with friendly planes anywhere near the solution.
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Originally posted by Stang
Friendly ack would never be firing in real life with friendly planes anywhere near the solution.
Too true for the most part. But, until they bring the Battle Group up to full numbers and include every gun and ship and organised missions as per real life, then we are where we are and nothing will really change.
If I recall correctly, the odds of being shot down by friendly fire was almost at the same level as from the enemy and if the enemy planes showed up at the same time as you were taking on friendly aircraft, I don't think there would have been a whole lot of hesitation to open fire...Do you?
A few friendly planes shot down versus a carrier or carriers = fortunes of war and an acceptable loss.
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Conversely, no fighter pilot worth his weight in sawdust is gonna dive into a full on barrage of 20mm, 40mm, and 5" air burst to kill 1 divebombing mook either.
I'd love to see killshooter added to guns, but I'd also love to have Tara Reid living in a pit in my basement. I'm guessing I'm gonna be waiting quite a while for either.
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I'm guessing it is otto at work rather than manned ack, but I really enjoy the puffy ack shooting at me from 6 kilometers away while I am 200 feet AGL (yet above 3K seal level) behind a mountain (visibly obstructed) from the task force.
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Manned puffy ack should have killshooter, when any friendly plane is hit too the gun is destroyed and the guy using it gets send to tower.
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Amen
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Originally posted by Howitzer
OK, now you are talking! If friendly fire is enabled, I have a list of names of folks on the rooks who aren't taking off of that carrier while I'm around!
It might be interesting. Imagine the knits fighting the knits at their fields and the bish fighting bish at their fields and the rooks fighting rooks at their fields and no country fighting each other. :D :rofl :rofl :rofl :D :lol :lol :lol :)
Ren
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When I'm having a great furball and get popped by some dweeb in the 5 inchers, my first thought isn't "oh well, it happens". It's "That ******* is ruining this fight. If he wants to play games, it's time to sink the CV". And then I've got to waste even more time sinking it and looking for another decent fight. Ho de hum.
I recognize the need for 5 inch gunners, but I think they should spend more time shooting at JU88 formations otd, and less time trying to kill furballing fighters than are no threat to the CV group.
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the simple fact still remains:
it was a one on one with no other planes around.
and some maroon has fired 88mm at me and obviously done damage to both planes.
yet......only i take the hits....
stupid
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Why's jumping into a 5" to kill someone who killed you 'pathetic'?
To me, that's more like 'stupid' on the part of the one who shoots down the same guy over and over again near a CV, because anybody would know that getting shotdown again and again would be frustrating, and that guy would be jumping into a 5" flak and shoot at you.
And yet, people still linger around, and then get shot down by 5" guns, and then complain about it?
He is ubsolutly right. I mean, why are you in a fighter when the CV is 6K of your base? Why do you think they made diving LANCs? How about those guns on the top of the mountain? Why are you trying to meet that guy half way to between your base and the CV? Who is he going to vulch you if you do that????? :rolleyes: Learn how to play the game will you? HT does not encurage fighting in planes. Get over it.
PS. Glad to see people feel the same way about 5" crap. I posted the same "BS Whine" in a different forum (I think under game play) and did not get any support, just the regular abuse from HT and suckups :aok
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Become more and more confident that the greatest mistake I made when I started to read this board. When I came to AH for the first time I didn't know about this bbs, and sun was shine and grass was green! I had great fun HOing everybody, chasing alone enemy in company of ten friendlies, cherripicking, voulching, shooting from everything what can shoot, dive and low bombing, etc.
Now the bad times come. Instead of thinking about ACM and SA, I spend 90% of my flying time thinking about your whines.
"I can't kill that guy because it will be voulching!"
"****, I can't shoot because it will be HO!"
"I am so sorry for being distractive, woud you be so kind to tell me do you allow me to attack that guy who is sitting on your 6? Wouldn't you consider it as ruining your private party?"
"Oh my god, I can't drop bombs now, I am too low! I need at least 5000 feet, but I have just 4999."
My fun was gone.
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Ok, now that dedalos brought up shore batteries, I have to say that I am all for them, and any coastal base should have at least 2. I'm not saying I want to ruin a good cv fight, but I hopped in one last tour for the first time in maybe a year and a half. Shot maybe 20 times trying to hit something, but I finally got that stupid boat. Was like throwing a bullseye in a darts game. Someone finally did sink that cv, but what happened next was SOOOOO stress relieving after a long day at work: PT Boats. Hundereds of PT Boats and LVTs. OMG, I plugged like 20+ pt boats with that enormous cannon, and I was smiling from ear to ear with satisfaction. Was like burning ants with a magnifying glass... simply fantabulous! :D
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Well if trying to fight other aircraft in a game based on air combat is stupid... well then I'm stupid:aok
Well there is always Microsoft Combat flight simulator played on line. Endless furballs, no ack, air starts, no Ostis. Heck you could be a God in there. :cool:
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Originally posted by Vad
Become more and more confident that the greatest mistake I made when I started to read this board. When I came to AH for the first time I didn't know about this bbs, and sun was shine and grass was green! I had great fun HOing everybody, chasing alone enemy in company of ten friendlies, cherripicking, voulching, shooting from everything what can shoot, dive and low bombing, etc.
Now the bad times come. Instead of thinking about ACM and SA, I spend 90% of my flying time thinking about your whines.
"I can't kill that guy because it will be voulching!"
"****, I can't shoot because it will be HO!"
"I am so sorry for being distractive, woud you be so kind to tell me do you allow me to attack that guy who is sitting on your 6? Wouldn't you consider it as ruining your private party?"
"Oh my god, I can't drop bombs now, I am too low! I need at least 5000 feet, but I have just 4999."
My fun was gone.
Please don't tell me you are serious. If so, I'll see at the LA7-Fest 2005 Annual Celebration. This year we are allowing the folks in who only fly the Hurri2C and 110-g2 for their HO capabilities. The keynote speech will be given by a N1k driver who has reached his goal of a 1 K/D ratio by only attacking planes which are already engaged from a minimum alt. advantage of 4k. There will also be a How-To survival session for those of you who cannot release bombs from your lancaster without the detonation taking out two of your drones because you can't figure out the two step bombsight, so you released them from 300 feet.
Promises to be a great time.
However, if you are being sarcastic.. I found it funny, and I look forward to many more funny posts from you :D
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Originally posted by Vad
Become more and more confident that the greatest mistake I made when I started to read this board. When I came to AH for the first time I didn't know about this bbs, and sun was shine and grass was green! I had great fun HOing everybody, chasing alone enemy in company of ten friendlies, cherripicking, voulching, shooting from everything what can shoot, dive and low bombing, etc.
Now the bad times come. Instead of thinking about ACM and SA, I spend 90% of my flying time thinking about your whines.
"I can't kill that guy because it will be voulching!"
"****, I can't shoot because it will be HO!"
"I am so sorry for being distractive, woud you be so kind to tell me do you allow me to attack that guy who is sitting on your 6? Wouldn't you consider it as ruining your private party?"
"Oh my god, I can't drop bombs now, I am too low! I need at least 5000 feet, but I have just 4999."
My fun was gone.
Just quit reading the boards. The game allows you to fly any way you wish. Do it and have fun! Flying is fun...whining is not fun...unless yer the whiner. They may think its fun to whine cause they do it a lot. maybe if they flew more they'd whine less? :D
Ren
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Originally posted by Lye-El
Well there is always Microsoft Combat flight simulator played on line. Endless furballs, no ack, air starts, no Ostis. Heck you could be a God in there. :cool:
Oh yeah... well you can just go... ummm... I got nothin:p Do they have NoOKiES too??? Also, is HO enabled? That's my best ACM, I am the jousting king!!! That and my dive bombing lancs are something to fear. The enemy might get one of'em before I auger my remaining 2 lancs and their bombs into a FH. I heard that they can be used for level bombing? I think it's just a rumor though. And if barracks need taken down, I will take my tiffy 5 bases back if need be. I normally top those runs off with a vulch or 2 then die putting up a valiant fight against the ack! >>><<< ack, heck of a fight!:aok
[edit]: I like to whine!
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ok so the topic has been flamed to death now.
NO MORE POSTING HERE UNLESS YOU WATCH THE FILM I LINKED AND COMMENT ON YOUR THOUGHTS OF THAT SITUATION PLEASE!
the whole point is not about whining or dying to puffy ack.
the point is there should be a penalty for shooting puffy ack at friendlies.
watch the film i posted before you comment please!
its very small will only take 40 seconds to d/l and watch.
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Its for reasons like this I LOVE sinking fleets with the bombers :)
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Mech,
it does not matter man. This has been talked about repeatedly and it is viewed by HT and suckups as a BS whine. The people that do it don;t think it is wrong. They will not change. The people that think that the way the 5" gus are being abused/gamed is wrong, will continue to complain about it. However, as long as HT stands behind the gaming of the game, nothing will change.
The people that are into that kind of game play, are waching your film and lughing at you. Embrace the new game and look forward to the mid air powerups. Hopefully, conviniently placed by CV groups so you could catch one and fix your plane after it has been hit by the 5". Don't forget, it takes skill to hold the triger down.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Its for reasons like this I LOVE sinking fleets with the bombers :)
Do it the right way. Use 110s :lol
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Killshooter effect for firing air burst at friendly planes : YES
Banning howitzer from manning any gun positions: YES
Making batfink fly only planes made out of balsa wood and tissue paper soaked with lighter fluid: YES
Turning this from a friendly fire issue into into an " I ignored the first angry black puffs of smoke and shrapnel so I could try to get my kill but the ack got me and now I hate CVs and anyone who doesn't agree with me is a suckup" thread: NO
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You want to see 5 inch guns damage friendlies as well as enemies, well why don't we just turn off killshooter all together, then it will stop some of the kill stealers when they dart in front of you when your chasing an enemy, and when you drop bombs it kills all around it. bombs and bullets know no friend or foe they just kill or destroy where ever they hit.
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Use 110s or 38s...or wait until the submarines come out. I can see the current GV spawn-campers moving out of their tigers and into the U-boats to hunt the respawning CVs at the ports already.
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Hijacking the thread for 'no KS at all': NO
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Yup.. I came back and played abit.. Loved all the new visuals.. Was going to post about it and give props to HTC for a great looking game, but I was popped by puff ack right over a mountain at about 5k but only about 500ft above the ground.. So, I remembered why I put the game down very quickly.. A shame really.. But whos to care cause I still pay my $15/month..
kappa
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Originally posted by mechanic
ok so the topic has been flamed to death now.
NO MORE POSTING HERE UNLESS YOU WATCH THE FILM I LINKED AND COMMENT ON YOUR THOUGHTS OF THAT SITUATION PLEASE!
the whole point is not about whining or dying to puffy ack.
the point is there should be a penalty for shooting puffy ack at friendlies.
watch the film i posted before you comment please!
its very small will only take 40 seconds to d/l and watch.
I run a Mac why would I wanna dl to that? Sheeesh!:D
Whats the big deal with puffy ack? I think it looks pretty. Like butterflies and daisies!:) BTW, do you honestly think while yer sitting in a gun position you can actually see the friendly plane is 400 yards away at 5-7K distance? Huh? Huh? :D
You forget perhaps thats all the guy in the gun position is capable of and he's just doing his thing?
Ren
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you're right guys, no one is going to listen.
may as well just lock it.
maybe HT doesnt like threads addressed directly to him, sorry if that is a mistake.
my final word shall be that i would have you all remember i'm not complaining that I was killed. Just baffled that he should be damaged also........
My god, that the solution maybe.......
How about if the 5" gunner was not awarded the kill if the friendly envolved is damaged by the burst. The kill would go to the friendly plane who was 'damged'. Although no structural damage would be sustained, a few little holes would appear to let the friendly know what happened.
An over zealous gunner might be forced to understand when to hold back if he kept putting holes in his countrymen's wings everytime he got a kill.
come on HT, at least lock the thread if you wont reply.
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I will say that I miss the trail that used to follow five inch gunfire. At least you could tell that manned ack was firing at you and act accordingly. But c'est la vie.
Like I said, Batfink, what happened to you was silly and gamey, but that's Aces High. Maybe the Zeke was pleading for help from the gunner on range channel. In any event, use this event as motivation to kill the Zeke faster next time. :D
-- Todd/Leviathn
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hmm, that snapshot, I should have hit him harder for sure..... you're right.
then at least the gunner would be avenging a death not causing two.
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
It might be interesting. Imagine the knits fighting the knits at their fields and the bish fighting bish at their fields and the rooks fighting rooks at their fields and no country fighting each other.
Actually, that's NOT all that different from what happens already :aok
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Originally posted by Vudak
Actually, that's NOT all that different from what happens already :aok
Wait a minute. Spies aside wouldn't ya wanna get even with all those guys that turned the cv when you tried to land? Or, wouldn't turn it so it ended up getting sunk? Imagine turning killshooter on. :D You go hunt the guy down! He'd have nowhere to hide. You could bomb him into oblivian or hound him into the ground. And if he changes side you follow him and stay on his 6! Pull the trigger...BANG! He's taking off again. Bang, he's vulched. Bang! He disappears so you land and do a .goto and hound him some more.
Now imagine everyone doing that all the time. Why would ya need countries in the first place?:) It'd be one huge furball FFA!
:rofl
j/k. as you can see it really isn't a good idea!!!
Ren
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When I get hit by someone kickin back in a 5", I go try and bomb them. Then.. if they kill me before I drop, I go back with divebombing B24s. That always riles them up. One good turn deserves another and all :) Id like the ack to hit everyone...but then you'd have friendlies dyin non-stop to the special needs kids in the 5 inch anyways.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Id like the ack to hit everyone...but then you'd have friendlies dyin non-stop to the special needs kids in the 5 inch anyways.
I would imagine they would only up if no enema was around. If the enemy comes while they are up, they die by fight or friendly fire but they won' t up again until the enemy goes away. The fleet uses the great fighter pilots as target practice until it is sunk or the fighters go away.
If the ack is going to damage friendlies, then too should the 20s and 40s as they hit friendlies also. If the 5 inch is neutered then the battle will only move closer to the carrier.
If the 20s and 40 don't kill friendlies then the whine will be "I had a F4U between me and the 40s and the 40s killed me and didn't kill him. That isn't right! I was havin a good battle and the guy in the 40 runied it. The guy in the 40 should come out in a plane and fight me Mano y Mano as I am a great fighter pilot"
:p Just sayin'
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Originally posted by Lye-El
If the ack is going to damage friendlies, then too should the 20s and 40s as they hit friendlies also.
It does already. I've been hit by friendly ack while rolling on the deck many times.
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Originally posted by Edbert
It does already. I've been hit by friendly ack while rolling on the deck many times.
Only the random non maned puff does.
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Last night again, twice. Some dweeb, I think his name was JollyDweeb or JollyISuckToMachToBeInAPlane got his arce handed to him by a P40 while he was in A6M. What does he do? Jumps in the 5", fires 6 shots and boom the p40 goes. Funny think is I was afraid he would do that so I was flying with my feet in the water turning left and right like a mad man.
Sorry I got within range of the CV but thats where all the good fights were last night.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Funny think is I was afraid he would do that so I was flying with my feet in the water turning left and right like a mad man.
I don't know why but I had this vision pop into my head of a P-40 heading away from a carrier with the pilot jinking, his feet jammed through the floorboard dragging in the sea with water flying everywhere! :lol
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The thing Dedalos failed to mention is that his squaddies were running suicide ops against that same cv for nearly an hour, while he flew as an escort/distraction. If you don't like ack, get the hell away from the CV.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Someone blasted me with a five inch gun the other night while I had 17 kills in a Tempest. It happens. I don't get too worked up about it. Next time I won't furball so closely to the enemy carrier.
-- Todd/Leviathn
LOL levi, I was there and you could hardly call what you were doing furballing :D
More like you were cherry picking the furballers :eek:
Not that theres anything wrong with that but, just gettin the story straight :aok
>>S<< Levi
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
The thing Dedalos failed to mention is that his squaddies were running suicide ops against that same cv for nearly an hour, while he flew as an escort/distraction. If you don't like ack, get the hell away from the CV.
HUB,
I have shown nothing but respect for you in the past. I am begining to wonder why. Do you really think I was running interfirance with a p40 on the deck? Ask the guys I fought against. I think they were fun fights. I got killed, they got killed, and we had fun fighting with airplains.
Now, do you really think the USMC needs an hour to sink a CV? In the words of the creator I say: "I CALL BS ON THAT" :rofl I was not escorting anyone man. I really don't know what your problem is
:confused:
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You were flying a light fighter over the same fleet under attack by your squaddies. When someone took off to intercept those attackers, you would engage the would-be interceptors. Is that not escorting or running interference?
The problem isn't how the ack is modelled, or how its put to use.
The problem is that you keep flying into it, and its shoots you down. That is, as far as I know, exactly how it's supposed to work.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but the easiest way to avoid the 5" fire is to stay away from it. Flying within 4k of a cv group with all defensive guns manned, you will eventually get snuffed.
Sorry if my post was abrasive, but I was in a fairly bad mood, and having seen all the ack whines, then seeing you flying 3.5-4k out from a CV with all guns blazing, I thought I'd call BS as well.
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at least it's not ai that shot you..it's the puffy ack i detest
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Originally posted by mechanic
How about if the 5" gunner was not awarded the kill if the friendly envolved is damaged by the burst. The kill would go to the friendly plane who was 'damged'. Although no structural damage would be sustained, a few little holes would appear to let the friendly know what happened.
An over zealous gunner might be forced to understand when to hold back if he kept putting holes in his countrymen's wings everytime he got a kill.
come on HT, at least lock the thread if you wont reply.
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Sorry Bat, you created a monster on this one. It got loose and you just can't cut the head off it:eek:
[edit] i'd try sending an email to get an answer. The thread has been beat to death.
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Forgive us bat, for we know not what we do...
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hehe...
no point emailing, they never reply to mine.
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Do you ever sleep Bat?
I think he is a troll programmed by HTC to talk bad about AH and fly dweebfires into hordes
:lol
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i sleep alot but generally for too long at the wrong times.
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Don't fly around enemy ships, they have radar and guns that will shoot at you.
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I think its a bit ironic that we're paying to be killed by a computer when it could be done just as easily off line.
With that being said, 88AI ack SHOULD be made so that it is only fireing when it is manned.
Again, if i wanted to be killed by a computer, i'd play off line and play in the ack.
The fact that its a computer that's killing us... Just doesnt seem right.
my 2cents.
Edit: and I dont play inside CV ack. I'm talking in regards to that 88mm puff ack that will follow you more than a half a sector away from an nme base and then zero in and lay a nice can of HE in your skull.
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Thats the key for me Morph, the amazing range of the otto-puffy. While the range may be historically and ballistically accurate, I think it is completely unrealistic to have multiple batteries of 88mm following a lone fighter that is not even approaching the target. If we want to be historical they should fire a wall of burts ahead of and above your flight path, like they did against the buff streams.
I don't mind having otto, it keeps the milkrunning to a dull roar. But like you said once the puffy stuff starts shooting at you it will follow you for 10 miles, while closer contact are readilly available to it. I've been egressing at 4K and had it follow me while buffs are approaching unmolested. Dip below 3K to make it stop and fly another 5 miles away, then climb to 3500 feet and it starts wailing away at you again, ignoring folks who are actually attacking the target it is supposed to defend. Don't even think about how it can fire and track you through the terrain (gullies and mountains).
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Oh you have a sparkly Avatard! ima gonna steal that chit! :D
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Hee. Take a closer look Morph ya chigger flicker. :rofl
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i dont have sparkle effect wtf :mad:
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Originally posted by Morpheus
i dont have sparkle effect wtf :mad:
You didn't get the memo? Rut roh raggy!
I can't remember who I stole the avatard from, I think it might have been Icer or Slapshot, they were posting in the convention thread. I don't know why it aint working for you mate.
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Just you wait!
Im gonna have the most sparklyestest avadard BLING BLING chigga evar!:mad:
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Then please have cvs at least 6 miles off shore.
Being shot off your own runway from an enemy cv is a joke.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
You were flying a light fighter over the same fleet under attack by your squaddies. When someone took off to intercept those attackers, you would engage the would-be interceptors. Is that not escorting or running interference?
The problem isn't how the ack is modelled, or how its put to use.
The problem is that you keep flying into it, and its shoots you down. That is, as far as I know, exactly how it's supposed to work.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but the easiest way to avoid the 5" fire is to stay away from it. Flying within 4k of a cv group with all defensive guns manned, you will eventually get snuffed.
Sorry if my post was abrasive, but I was in a fairly bad mood, and having seen all the ack whines, then seeing you flying 3.5-4k out from a CV with all guns blazing, I thought I'd call BS as well.
I don't remember engaging you, so I don;t understand how you saw me. But in anycase. If I was flying cover for the buffs, I would tell you, and I would not be complaining. I think I saw our buffs once and they were 3K above me. When the CV is withing 8K - 10K from a base, the only way to stay out of dweeb range is to fly over my field and hide in the ack. Or maybe just sit on the runway so your squad can rack up kills like they usually do right?
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I was in a 5" manned gun, saw a low P40. "I think that's dedalos guys". call comes back on squad vox " it is, he just got me".
Again, the story and the reality don't match. the cv in question was adjacent to our base, 25mi as the crow flies to the nearest knit base, (think we had 200 and were defending the cv. i'd have to check the map to be 100% sure). anyway, we weren't attacking anything, we were defending against USgrim, USHwk1, and Airbat who tried repeatedly to sink the cv with b26s, p47s, ju88s, a typhoon and a p38 or 2. You prolly couldn't see them due to the thick black smoke caused by the barrage of ack being thrown your way.
don't drag the rest of my squad into this. every post that contains the words 'ack' or 'cv' seems to turn into a heartwrenching tale of how you were stricken down doing something stupid, but its invariably never your fault. its super ack bs, or skillless dweebs, or it hit you well out of icon range, etc etc. there is zero point even discussing this with you.
Fk this, I'm done with this thread.
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Originally posted by dedalos
This time I have a film of the guy hitting me beyond icon range. He is actually laughing in 200 about it.
Hey Mechanic, 1$ says someone will call BS on you.
Levi, its not about being worked up. Its about the action being BS. I for one cannot really see a CV when 6K out. It would sound more 'historically accurate' if damage was inflicted to friendly also.
'historically accurate'?, this is the fiction arena where P47s et al fight eachother... realism?
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Or maybe just sit on the runway so your squad can rack up kills like they usually do right?
Ahem..... I think an apology is in order dedalos!!!!
That last dude had his wheels up thank you very much!
:D
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I was in a 5" manned gun, saw a low P40. "I think that's dedalos guys". call comes back on squad vox " it is, he just got me".
Again, the story and the reality don't match. the cv in question was adjacent to our base, 25mi as the crow flies to the nearest knit base, (think we had 200 and were defending the cv. i'd have to check the map to be 100% sure). anyway, we weren't attacking anything, we were defending against USgrim, USHwk1, and Airbat who tried repeatedly to sink the cv with b26s, p47s, ju88s, a typhoon and a p38 or 2. You prolly couldn't see them due to the thick black smoke caused by the barrage of ack being thrown your way.
don't drag the rest of my squad into this. every post that contains the words 'ack' or 'cv' seems to turn into a heartwrenching tale of how you were stricken down doing something stupid, but its invariably never your fault. its super ack bs, or skillless dweebs, or it hit you well out of icon range, etc etc. there is zero point even discussing this with you.
Fk this, I'm done with this thread.
You draged mine in it first. Yes, I got close to CV one time. That was not the time I am talking about. I am talking about the whole night. Iam talking about killing A6Ms in a P40 only to have the guy jump in the 5" gun for revenge. You base your remarks based on that one time I got close to the CV. In reallity, you made the remarks you made because you were in a 5" gun, prolly shooting at figters instead of the bombers so my comments hit right at home. More over, you had an argument with hwk that night, so you figured you would make some irelevant remarks about the USMC while on the subject.
Please do not discush this with me. It did not start that way. it started with you making smart arse remarks about me and my squad. Why did you think this was a discusion on your part? :confused:
Yep, you got one thing right. It is not my fault when someone holds the triger down and points towards a bunch of cons (frindly and enemy). If you don't want to be discushing something, stop jumping in threads making coments about it.
As far as the story and reallity. Well, reallity is I spent more than 30 seconds in that area. You chose the 30secs that justify dweebness
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
'historically accurate'?, this is the fiction arena where P47s et al fight eachother... realism?
Read prev post. 'historically accurate' was a reference from an earlyer post.
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Ahem..... I think an apology is in order dedalos!!!!
That last dude had his wheels up thank you very much!
:D
Sorry :(
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I've already said this in here, you guys are mad.
the thread is not about AI 88mm (despite its frustration at times), this thread is not about even 5" gun dweebery.
this thread is related to friendly fire incedents involving the 5" guns.
why should two planes fly within 25 yards of the same flak burst and one be able to fly away from it as a comprehensive law.
maybe it could be belived if it was random and infrequent but its stupid as a virtua-physical law.
i hoped we could come to a possitive conclusion before the thread joined the lost souls in the BB after life.
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Originally posted by mechanic
i hoped we could come to a possitive conclusion before the thread joined the lost souls in the BB after life.
I'd say nearly everyone agreed that it should damage both planes and moved on to more interesting subjects long ago.
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Watched the video you were way to close to the CV. You go that close to a CV expect ACK.
Now that being said, yes the enemy plane should take damage for being in the same vicinity of the puffy ack. Maybe put a lock on the guns so they wont fire ack when a friendly is in the immediate vicinity.
Besides that dont fly to close to cv's they are notoriously deadly accurate with ACK.
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i was no threat to the CV is what my distance refered to.
Ed, you're right, i wont post here even if Furball calls me names.
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As a bomber pilot, I'd love to lead nme fighters through their own puffy ack and watch them die. As a guy who sucks at flying fighters, I'll be the first to jump into a 5" gun and try to kill anyone who is attacking my cv, even if he shot me down in a plane two or three times. I guess I'm pathetic.
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Originally posted by F4J
As a bomber pilot, I'd love to lead nme fighters through their own puffy ack and watch them die. As a guy who sucks at flying fighters, I'll be the first to jump into a 5" gun and try to kill anyone who is attacking my cv, even if he shot me down in a plane two or three times. I guess I'm pathetic.
Nah, you are not pathetic. You just missed the point. If anyone is attacking or is a threat to the CV then by all means, do what ever it takes to kill him. Same when you are in a buff. Deffend yourself anyway you can. It has nothing to do with how good you are in a fighter, gv, or buff. It is about game play.
This game has some serious issues. For example, the ability to hit a con 5K out while its is constantly turning is BS. Another BS game future is the ability to sink a CV with a 2 second burst from a SpitV (got film if you want to see, but it is easy nuff to try yourself). Its when people take advantage of BS game futures that they become pathetic. But thats just the opinion of a few so really, it should not be a big deal. The game designers stand behind the design and the behavior so it is really the complainers that are pathetic at this point.