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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: mussie on March 16, 2005, 04:51:46 PM
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Hey PPL
The other night I happened to be in the hanger loading up a BF110 for flight when I noticed a Tank behind my plane. :confused:
Basically a few guys had driven up to the base and a couple of them had decided to park in the hanger to avoid the planes flying around.
What I want to know is if this is considered "ethical" in AH.
If we were to look at it in a realistic or simulation sense then surly the ground crews at the airfield would have done something.
Or do we look at this with the attitude of a failure to protect the base. IE: if you don't nail them then they can hide were ever the hell they please.
Personally I am either way, if the general populace of AH thinks that this is ok to do then the next chance I get I would use it to my advantage, but if this is considered "unethical", then I would not.
Your thoughts please
Note Seeing as they had taken the attitude of "alls fair in love and war" I taxied My Bf into the hanger and then into the tank:D. your thoughts on this too :aok
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They call it spawn camping. When you spawn your vehicle, it apears inside the hanger, and its an easy kill for them. You solution to the problem works for me :)
I don't like spawn camping...well unless its me doing the camping heheh. Its one of the reasons I very rarely use the vehicles. Sure I could camp some place and "one shot" kill all spawners, but I just don't see much of a challange in it, wheres the fun other than watching your k/d ratio climb on the score board Whoopie !
I'd rather get shot down 10 times trying to get someone in my 38 :) I do that very well... the getting shot down part :)
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I don,t agree with spawn camping either.
The closest i will venture near a spawn point is no more than 3000 meterz,when you aren't right up behind them as they appear,they think the spawn is clear and head too the base,where upon they run into me and a battle ensuez.
If a tank is on the field the first thing that should be destroyed is the VH,then the Ordnance,then the fighter hangerz,if done in that order,the base will be taken over faster than usual.
Anyone who drivez all that way to just sit behind a hanger only to be killed is wastin thier time IMO.
Besides spawn camping usually only gets you 1 thing,Bombed by Lanc's from 500 feet!
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Thanks guys
But I dont think I would have called this spawn camping, he was to busy trying to fend off the fighters that were trying to nail him hiding inside the hanger to take anyone out on the ground.
its more the fact that he was using the inside of the hanger for cover... and I could see his tank behind my plane when I was selecting my ordinence (ie before I got into the cockpit).
Anyway thanks again
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Now thats different,when you park out in the open behind a runway thats fun!
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Mussie they probably parked in there because that building can't be destroyed. Now I'm not sure if all bombs will just detonate on top of the hangar or if they will go through and cause damage on ground level.
If you asked me they are blatantly taking advantage of a known glitch in the game. The same can be said for vehicles that blatantly hide in the towns buildings which have been destroyed. You can drive into the buildings once they've been destroyed regardless if there isn't an opening large enough to fit your vehicle through. It makes for nice concealment area. Still exploiting a glitch though.
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if your team allowed a tank onto the feild ,,well then u deserved to get shot when u tried to up,and i am sorry but your ground crew tried to fight the armor with their small arms,,,they are dead
having a tank "vulch "the feild is no different than a AC doing the same ,,u gotta supress the base to capture it
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Originally posted by mussie
Hey PPL.
What I want to know is if this is considered "ethical" in AH.
YES
If we were to look at it in a realistic or simulation sense then surly the ground crews at the airfield would have done something.
TRUE
Or do we look at this with the attitude of a failure to protect the base. IE: if you don't nail them then they can hide were ever the hell they please.
YES
Personally I am either way, if the general populace of AH thinks that this is ok to do then the next chance I get I would use it to my advantage, but if this is considered "unethical", then I would not.
PROLLY DOESN'T MATTER THIS IS THE WAY IT IS
Note:Seeing as they had taken the attitude of "alls fair in love and war" I taxied My Bf into the hanger and then into the tank:D. your thoughts on this too :aok
SOUNDS GOOD!
Hope this helps!:)
Ren
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Hiding in the buildings is un-fair?
Getting a 100 Lb. bomb dropped near you,or a plane straffing you and you getting killed is un-fair,i use the buildings to my advantage every chance i get,what ?are we suppose to make it easy for them?
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just up an IL2 and taxi straight at them firing all guns untill they die.
killed a few tigers that way ;)
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Klink so you condone using known glitches in the game to gain an advantage? What 100 pounder are you referring to and from what airframe? I highly doubt anyone attacking a tank isn't going to use anything less than a 500 pounder for medium level armored vehicles or a 1000 pounder on the T34s, Panzers and the Tiger with heavy armor.
The MK84 is a 2000 lbs bomb and is capable of making a hole over 50 feet in diameter and over 35 feet deep. Take that and cut in in half and that's what you should expect from a 1000 pounder. The bomb crater would be about 25 feet around and almost 18 feet deep. Even if you rated it down some because of technology gap in WWII it would still be highly lethal even if it was slightly off the mark.
As far as being straffed by fighters and getting killed. It depends on what your in and what they are firing at you and at what angles. Probability of smaller caliber rounds penetrating and causing death is highly unlikely. Take a higher caliber round made to kill tanks and guess what your probably gonna be dead. Obviously those machines were designed to do just as they did which was kill your tank. Your not invincible in your armor. There were other tank killers and they weren't just ground based machines.
By allowing a vehicle to drive through walls to hide and avoid being hit by any enemy weapon is wrong. I'm sorry but exploiting a glitch such as this is cheating in my book. They might as well make aircraft invincible to ground collisions and invincible to object collisions overall.
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Ren,
Great commentary sir. Lol.
"It is as it is, and that too will change soon enough."
miggy:D
".... what a game. Nothing else like it, and the Wife Hates It. Muhahahaha :aok
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It was a La-7 that dropped the Bomb on Potto while attacking a town,i couldn,t really believe it my self,he took no other damage,that was all.
And why is it a Glitch in the game?Do you not GV Cobra?Have you ever attempted to take a base from a GV standpoint?
Earlier this week i went to defend a town and got shot in the arse by a panzer,i was in a Tiger,learned my lesson on that 1 for sure.
I was simply saying it's hard enough too take a town with the "Uber Lucky" Il-2's buzzin around and your tryin too dodge them and take the town down.Being able to hide in the Buildings takes away the Advantage and people start to complain to make it so they can,t no more.
My new sole purpose in this "GAME" is too break up spawns Campz and take bases.
But as i am starting too notice,everyone else in the MA scene is starting to not like the Spawn Campers either.So i guess those guys are gonna have too find a new way too kill lots of people without having too use that much skillz!
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Well Klink for starters the LA7 carries 2 100 kilogram bombs. That does not equate to 100 pounds. That is the equivelant of almost 441 pounds.
If you can't see how hiding in the buildings which are destroyed and have no normal access entries for a vehicle size objects to enter them isn't exploiting a glitch then I don't know what to tell you.
Just because your in a Tiger doesn't mean you don't have weaknesses in your armor. It's also pretty obvious that the IL2s weren't lucky but were very accurate with their ord and ammo.
I could careless if your hiding in a building that is capable of being destroyed. Taking advantage of hiding in the destroyed town buildings or buildings that HTC has deemed indestructable is exploiting glitches in the game. This means buildings that would normally be destructable not hardenend shelters or reventments. If this doesn't bother you then neither should the "Uber Lucky" IL2s or the unbelievable killing power of 2 100kg bombs.
Since you don't mind using known glitches that aren't realistic then you shouldn't mind "unrealistic" damage modeling. You want to have your cake and eat it too. Sorry but you really don't have a foot to stand on with your gripe about "unrealistic" damage modeling since you don't mind exploiting glitches so long as they benefit you.
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Thanks for all your replies
they make for some interesting reading
Bomb ya all later :D
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I see nothing lame with parking inside a fighter or a bomber hangar.
The enemy can out GVs and hunt him down. I dont do GVs often but the few kills I have is from "get him out of my hangar" situations.
Imho the reference to reality doesnt really hold up. Simply because this aint WW2 and we arnt trying to recreate WW2. By that Im not saying "everything is valid", because there are things that are lame like DBing B17s.
This though is just fun for all sides.
Tex
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well i am sure tha no tank ever drove through the bombed out rubble of a biulding,,,and heaven forbid that there be somewhere a gv can be safe from airial attack
HI TECK EVERYONE DOSENT PLAY THE GAME LIKE I WANT SO CHANGE IT SO THE HAVE TOO,,,,,,,give me a break u crybabies:rofl :rofl
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Just because your in a Tiger doesn't mean you don't have weaknesses in your armor. It's also pretty obvious that the IL2s weren't lucky but were very accurate with their ord and ammo.
Did you miss the part where i said i learned my lesson from that 1?
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I could careless if your hiding in a building that is capable of being destroyed
I don,t hide in hangers like a Ho and snipe people.
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Since you don't mind using known glitches that aren't realistic then you shouldn't mind "unrealistic" damage modeling.
why don,t you get in a GV today,PM me where you are at and i,ll show "Unrealistic" Damage modeling.
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Originally posted by daMIG
miggy:D
".... what a game. Nothing else like it, and the Wife Hates It. Muhahahaha :aok
OH OH! New to the game? Getting a dose of wife ack already!
You're in trouble now! ;)
Welcome to AH2! :)
Ren
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I came to work (12 hour shifts) with 3 hours sleep as I had to play when the wife and kids were not at home because....
1) Its dam had to drop bombs on target when your three year old wants to fly the pretty plane..... (shes a sweetie :D)
2) The wife (again a sweetie) is now stuck on the phrase "are you play that crappy game again"
3) I am dam addicted (to getting shot down apparently)
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It's really ok, mussie. Without fellows like you where would all the targets be? See, yer needed. Just as much here as at home!!!:D
Seriosly, as you get better, the newer guys become the targets. The wife ack doesn't get any better but you're landing kills so "what's wrong with a lil wife ack?":)
Yer 3 year old is another story. She NEEDS the stick time. Give it to her. Then when she's 10 she'll have her on pc and be shooting up daddy all the time. And when she's 25 she'll be working for a major airline so she can support mommy and daddy when they get old and grey. :lol
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Redrum1 please show me some buildings in our towns that have access to hide inside them once they've been destroyed that is even somewhat realistic. Also since you want to be a smartarse please tell me why is it you can't go over or through the hedgerows we have in AH but you can drive through the side of a destroyed building.
Also tell me why is it there is no damage modeling in regards to trees when they are hit with tank rounds. Also why is it the craters made by bombs are no more than a visual thing opposed to an actual crater. Not only can aircraft fly off a runway filled with craters them but vehicles can drive through them and can be sitting directly in one after a drop and still be able to drive off. Last but not least there are areas inwhich you can conceal yourself that HTC has put in the game for just that reason.
Klink are you gonna teach me how to play in the gvs? Maybe you can give me a lesson on flying while your at it? Then maybe I can show you some "unrealistic" damage modeling there. Because god knows that whole empennages seperate from an aircraft when getting hit by 20mm or higher caliber rounds. We also know that flaps when hit by rounds only get stuck and even when they are completely ripped off the plane they still act as if a flap is there but stuck in a down position. We also know that rudders and vertical stabs get ripped off when hit by a few 20mm rounds.
"art and science of vintage WWII air combat...". Go ahead and exploit the game though and this game will turn into nothing more than arcade game opposed to what it's really meant to be. No ones saying AH should be total simulation game but that doesn't mean it's community should be exploiting glitches and turning it into some arcade game like enviroment. If people wanted a half arsed WWII game with a half arsed community they'd be over playing games like Fighter Ace and Battlefield 1942. Everytime someone exploits obvious glitches such as these they make the game that more less appealing to the rest of the community and to new customers.
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Cobra,if i or red knew the answers too those questions we wouldn,t be paying for this game now would we.
And it is just a Game,made up by some people down in Texas,that we pay 14.99 a month for.
And yes i do hold a class in the DA every weds. and sunday at 8 P.M. eastern time if you wanna come and learn how to be a better GV'er.
Quote:"art and science of vintage WWII air combat...". Go ahead and exploit the game though and this game will turn into nothing more than arcade game opposed to what it's really meant to be. No ones saying AH should be total simulation game but that doesn't mean it's community should be exploiting glitches and turning it into some arcade game like enviroment. If people wanted a half arsed WWII game with a half arsed community they'd be over playing games like Fighter Ace and Battlefield 1942. Everytime someone exploits obvious glitches such as these they make the game that more less appealing to the rest of the community and to new customers.
I hate too be the one too tell you,but Battlefield 1942 has way better graphix and actual bomb craterz,just about everything you described.Soundz too me like you got some personal issuez with the creatorz of AH too me.
And u forgot one GLITCH,How everybody gets someone on thier 6
they start takin screen shotz too freeze themselves while the person behind them goes right on past giving them an easy kill!
This is HT's world we are just playin in it.
Do you really think they care what we think?
Too them this is a buisness,that pays them money,Money is what makez the world go round!
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Klink and in BF 1942 the gamers online try to exploit any last glitch they can. Just like half of the other games out there. This is why so many of those games try to run programs like Punkbusters or they encourage photos of users exploiting glitches in the game so they can deal with them.
Glitching may not be the same as cheating to some but in my book they are identical.
And HTC doesn't make glitches purposely so the community can abuse them. It's the community and it's players that choose to exploit them. I could careless how many times I die. I'll never lower myself to the level of some who chooses to play gamey arse tactics and exploit glitches in the game. These are the type of folks who will ruin this game for everyone.
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Originally posted by 1Klink
And u forgot one GLITCH,How everybody gets someone on thier 6
they start takin screen shotz too freeze themselves while the person behind them goes right on past giving them an easy kill!
err.....wait. do people really do this? and it works? really? or do they maybe just cut the throttle?
kinda sounds to me like you're seeing "Haxors" and "Cheatz" in every shadow.
imho
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Originally posted by 1Klink
And u forgot one GLITCH,How everybody gets someone on thier 6
they start takin screen shotz too freeze themselves while the person behind them goes right on past giving them an easy kill!
By everybody do you mean yourself? i've neverheard of anyone taking screenshots to make someone overshoot. It's certainly a new one for me.
Edit: i cannot believe anyone thinks that would work.
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#1.It does work
#2. I don,t fly a Plane in the MA,all they do is Ho-N-Go
#3.You can,t HO shoot a tiger!
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first off cobra let me say this I HAVE SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES TANKS DRIVING INTO HOUSES STICKING THE MAIN GUN OUT A WINDOW OR DOOR AS TO BE SHEILDED FROM EASY DETECTION ,THESE HOMES WERE INTACT AT LEAST ALL BUT THE WALL THEY DROVE THRU!!!
SECONDLY:THE REASON THAT ALL THE DETAILS U MENTIONED ARENT MODELED INTO THIS GAME,,SIMPLE U WOULD NEED A BANK OF COMPUTERS TO PLAY IT
THIRDLY:I DONT THINK ITS TOO NICE OF U TO TRY SO HARD TO FLAME BAIT ME JUST BECAUSE I TOLD THE TRUTH AND IT HURTS YOUR LITTLE FEELINGS,,AND ONE MORE THING ,,AND THIS WILL HURT I WARN U ALL THESE FORUMS ARE BECOMING IS A PLACE FOR ALL THE LITTLE MEN TO CRY THAT PEOPLE ARENT PLAYING THE WAY THEY WANT THEM TOO SO PLEASE HT CHANGE THE GAME TO SUIT ME<<<< WAAAAAAAAAA
WAAA
WWWAAAAA
WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAA
BABIES:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Trust me "Murder1" I'm very aware of what tanks are capable of in real life also.
Simple fact is you'd prefer to game the game. It's alright that one object can't be run over which you should easily be able to? Instead you can drive through walls as if they were never there in the first place?
Frankly I could give a watermelon less about this because it doesn't affect me in any way shape or form. Just find it amusing how someone called something gamey yet he didn't even know what the aircraft in question was capable of in the first place. Claiming it was a 100 pound bomb when in reality it was atleast a 100 kilogram bomb, most likely 2. I simply pointed out people are exploiting glitches. You'd condone such a things because it's probably the only thing you have going for you.
Next time come back with proper sentence structure, lose the caps and think twice before you claim someone is whining. Go troll one of the hip hop forums "Murder1".
Oh and you might want to read up on current games and their capabilities. There are already games out there that have the ability to transform objects or terrain into realistic damage models. Everything from shattered walls to craters created by grenades, missile fire, ect... I guess there must be alot of users out there that have a "bank" of computers in their homes just so they can run these 50 dollar games. :aok
By the way what service are you with and what base in Ohio? I'm just curious because my father in law is a CSM right next door in IL.
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You'd condone such a things because it's probably the only thing you have going for you.
looks at a lame attempt to bait and wonders why someone who logged 0 kills and 0 assists and 0 flight time in any arena is even in here putting in their 2 cents
go bait someone on the H2H forum,,,,maybe alison
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You mean kind of like how your name shows nothing at all? I'm curious what is your name in the arena? I guess your theory proves alot huh?
Try prior to December 2004 for Cobra412 and Erebus from there on out. Then come back and will talk.
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Ah I guess you have nothing more to say huh MURDER1 or should I call you redbeerd? I can see why now.
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Originally posted by 1Klink
#1.It does work
#2. I don,t fly a Plane in the MA,all they do is Ho-N-Go
#3.You can,t HO shoot a tiger!
1) And if you hit the \ key three times you can fly without a plane. Not for long by hey! It's flying!
2) You havn't bothered to learn to fly. Most people know how to avoid a HO. Sad excuse for being unable to do something.
3) You found something you can do without dien every SINGLE time you take off? Must be great to be lazy and not bother to learn anything more than point and click. I suspect you didn't bother to buy a stick to actually learn anything about flying either. You don't need a stick to drive.:rofl
Don't make excuses for being a lazy tard. Just say it! "I'm a lazy tard who could care less about flying (not) and as usual I take the easy way out". There you said it. Now everyone will respect you. But if you ever try to look for ways to hack the system no one will respect you.
Ren
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REn ,do you even know who this is?
I have logged more hours in the TA this tour teachin the new people than u have.
And God forbid anybody type anything different than what cobra says.
Cobra412=Jesus Christ Superstar of Aces High
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hey cobra why dont u stfu.so now i know your secret little name ,,and so maybe u loged 20hrs this tour your still not impressing me and u STILL dont know what u are talking abou
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1Klink your training people and you don't know the difference between a 100 pound bomb and 100 kilogram bomb? Your also training folks but yet your unfamiliar with the different weapons platforms and their abilities? So just how do you properly train people without knowing the key things you should be teaching them? That's pretty much like sending a crew chief out to train new avionics troops on how to do their jobs.
Murder1 you still haven't answered my question from before. What base are you at in Ohio? You say you've seen first hand what a tank can do. If you also plan to use scores to back up your abilities you might want to step back into the training arena a few more times. It's rather obvious that if we use scores to determine someones abilities you shouldn't be wasting time here trying to criticize my abilities but instead be in the TA getting some lessons.
Oh and cute elementary school rip. With that kind of a cut we can tell just what kind of an IQ and maturity level we are dealing with. I guess it fits nicely with your abilities in AH too huh?
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i sure dont know what your problum is cobra momie didnt show u eough attention when u were young?{probly only 12 yrs old
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i dont blame u for your lack of maturety and inttelect thats youor moms fault
what makes u think that ohio is the only place i have ever been?
thats quite a assumtion there richard....ever hear about desert sheild /storm ,,thats right was b4 u were born u dolt
oh and your score is just the greates,,,it just kills me the way some of you think that cause u made a skin or two that your opinion ids the only one that matters,,,,
do your lame attempts to belittle others make u feel better about your misrable little life?dose it make u feel big little man?
whatever u say means nuthing u just continue to show that u are a little man with very little to do ,,,find your entertainment somewhere else,,,,i will not respond to u again cause its pointless to argue with someone dumber than yourself ,,they just wont ever get it ,and u never will
to you little man have a great day
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Originally posted by 1Klink
REn ,do you even know who this is?
I have logged more hours in the TA this tour teachin the new people than u have.
And God forbid anybody type anything different than what cobra says.
Cobra412=Jesus Christ Superstar of Aces High
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Sure you have!
you da man!:lol :lol
Now stop it! Yer killing me! Im gonna have a heart attack from laughing so hard!!!!
Ren
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I spend hours in the TA training people that just got done watchin the AH commercial not 15 mins. before i ever met them.
I,ve seen you in there for maybe 10 mins.
i also show new pilots basic dog fighting tactix,and how to avoid
being shot down,along with other flight tactix.
Never heard of you doin that on a VOLUNTEER BASIS!
I ask for no discount on my membership,i do these things because i am very good at breakin info down for the new people.
Ghosth has no problem with my Training techniques.Been helpin out in there for quite a while now.You can ask Ghosth yourself if 1HungLo knows what he;s talkin bout.
As for your little NERD statz;Dude you got way too much time on your handz,majority of people don,t care about your little nerd statz and they never will,so wake up and go down to your local wal-mart and get a DAMN LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hell,i'll even sponsor 10$ to go get you a Prostitute if that will help your NERDY Butt out,i,m not gonna show u what too do though,your on your own on that 1 B.
And this thread was started out as a GV thread which you havn,t even logged any time in,so how and the hell would you know anyhow?
1020 all up in your GRILL PIECE:rofl
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I have had a week long case of the runs that wasn't as bigger cheese fight as this thread has turned into...
Guess it will just have to be pistols at dawn eh fellas?
I know why dont you bail out togeather and settle this with .45's
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Originally posted by 1Klink
I spend hours in the TA training people that just got done watchin the AH commercial not 15 mins. before i ever met them.
I,ve seen you in there for maybe 10 mins.
i also show new pilots basic dog fighting tactix,and how to avoid
being shot down,along with other flight tactix.
Never heard of you doin that on a VOLUNTEER BASIS!
I ask for no discount on my membership,i do these things because i am very good at breakin info down for the new people.
Ghosth has no problem with my Training techniques.Been helpin out in there for quite a while now.You can ask Ghosth yourself if 1HungLo knows what he;s talkin bout.
As for your little NERD statz;Dude you got way too much time on your handz,majority of people don,t care about your little nerd statz and they never will,so wake up and go down to your local wal-mart and get a DAMN LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hell,i'll even sponsor 10$ to go get you a Prostitute if that will help your NERDY Butt out,i,m not gonna show u what too do though,your on your own on that 1 B.
And this thread was started out as a GV thread which you havn,t even logged any time in,so how and the hell would you know anyhow?
1020 all up in your GRILL PIECE:rofl
WooHoo Nasty lil child! :)
1) I've been flying 12+ years. How old are you 12?
2) You said yourself you don't fly in MA due HO's. That says a lot for your flying skills. So how do you teach someone how to fly?
3) Do you honestly think because you looked a some stats that I can't drive and teach anyone how to use a tank? Or bomber?
Ask around about who shows where and does what before you start whining like that. It makes you look bad and I'd rather you have fun!:)
Ren
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lmfao @ Redrum1. Yep you know who I'am and you know what I've done also. I'm a 12 year old huh? I'm must be one damn smart 12 year old considering I've been working avionics on the F-15 for over 10 years now. It means I would have had your current IQ when I was about 2. That would have been not long after you had completed your combat tours in the middle east. With that in mind we could make the a very accurate assumption that a 2 year old would have been better suited to fight a war than yourself.
I guess you also didn't get everything out of the military you could considering you can barely spell let alone write a proper sentence. Is that why you joined the particular service you did? Was it due to the fact it was one of the few that would let you in and have a "respectable" job regardless of how ignorant you may be? I'm wondering are you still in or did you serve a few years and run? Who is the idiot again?
Redrum1 where exactly does skinning have anything to do with my abilities to fly and fight? Where exactly did I say anything about my abilities to skin means I know what I'm doing when it comes to fighting?
1Hunglo I'm very aware of who you are and it's your buddy who tried to bring up the bs score statistics crap. You are now bringing up bs that you obviously don't have a clue about. Especially considering you say I have no gv time. If you say stats are bs how exactly were you planning to judge my abilities off of stats anyway? Was it not you who stated stats are bs and mean nothing? So even if you had taken some time to get off your arse and look to see if I had gv time then it would still mean nothing to you. I guess you just like to flip flop your stories. One time stats mean nothing then they mean everything. I bet you think these uber gv crews stats are actually earned and the majority of their stats aren't coming from spawn camping.
Why do you "train" new users but only have half the information you actually need to do such a thing. I commend those who take the time to train someone but doing it in a half arsed manner will only get you half arsed results. You screamed bs because an LA7 killed one of your buddies with a 100 pound bomb. When infact it was atleast a 100 kilogram bomb but most likely it was two of them. You never bothered to comment on the fact that you had no clue exactly what type of ord was used by the LA7. Instead you now want to try and stand on your soap box and preach how good of a trainer you are. I guess if you think training someone with only half the knowledge you actually need to do so is good for them then have fun setting them up for failure.
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Quote:And God forbid anybody type anything different than what cobra says.
Cobra412=Jesus Christ Superstar of Aces High
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1Klink, hunglo, whatever you wanna call yerself. You're not helping your cause by trying to trade insults with people just because you disagree with the way the game is going for you. For some people and the way you are acting you are exhibiting frustration at "not getting it". Everyone gets frustrated. The difference is most folks state their argument, make their point so to speak, then back it up with facts. They then listen to whats said and may attempt to persuade people to their cause. If that won't get it they adjust to meet the new challenge. If you have ever heard the term "beating a dead horse" the thread has begun to match that description.
I've numerous arguments in the past about different things. Like the size of the planes being too small. HT said you really can't approximate RL so he decided to make the 90 degree view x amount of size. Well that might approximate a size but it really isnt what you see in real life. So I made the point the planes were too small , he said they were fine and we moved on. End of story.
On another occasion IMO the pony has been neutered to the point it sings in high saprano. Anyone in their right mind who has ever had a .50 cal go thru the engine of their plane KNOW exactly what that bullet can do. I made my case, no help I move on. I still fly the pony and I still get kills in it. But the battle I picked was unwinable even if the facts were laid out. I respect peoples decisions even if I don't happen to agree with them and life goes on.
The difference between you and me? I might throw a joke at you but I don't make personal attacks on you or anyone else. It's a game, try and begin to enjoy what you have here. Better yet think about it not being around and you gotta go find something else to do. Is some glitch in the game SO bad that you can't live with it? Are you gonna starve? Can't get sleep at night?
If you want the respect of others treat them with the same respect.
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Originally posted by 1Klink
I spend hours in the TA training people that just got done watchin the AH commercial not 15 mins. before i ever met them.
I,ve seen you in there for maybe 10 mins.
i also show new pilots basic dog fighting tactix,and how to avoid
being shot down,along with other flight tactix.
Never heard of you doin that on a VOLUNTEER BASIS!
I ask for no discount on my membership,i do these things because i am very good at breakin info down for the new people.
Ghosth has no problem with my Training techniques.Been helpin out in there for quite a while now.You can ask Ghosth yourself if 1HungLo knows what he;s talkin bout.
As for your little NERD statz;Dude you got way too much time on your handz,majority of people don,t care about your little nerd statz and they never will,so wake up and go down to your local wal-mart and get a DAMN LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hell,i'll even sponsor 10$ to go get you a Prostitute if that will help your NERDY Butt out,i,m not gonna show u what too do though,your on your own on that 1 B.
And this thread was started out as a GV thread which you havn,t even logged any time in,so how and the hell would you know anyhow?
Hope you don't bring this type of attitude with ya in the TA when you are doing all that "VOLUNTEER" work.
btw, all the AH Trainers are Volunteers , who was asked to be apart of the Aces High Trainer corps.
{ wonder if Ghosth has saw this crap yet }
from the way you rant and rave about how much you help people, and you ask for no discount or whereever you coming from, sure as hell looks like you are bucking for some type of gratitude!
if you gonna have a damned flamefest keep it out of the training and help section!
take it to some other messageboard entirely.......
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They want to attack me then try to make it as if I'm the bad guy. It's obvious what I was talking about initially never got through to them. Instead they try to call me out and show me just how good they are and try to use my stats as their primary evidence.
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Ya know,i,m just gonna say this,
There was this fellow on-line gamer/Forum Subscriber named Mussie.
He posted a Gv question,i myself being a GV'er and ONLY a GV'er
in the MA took it upon myself too Shed some light on that particular subject.
I also shared some of my and my Squaddiez experiences with this Area of the GAME.
Another Forum subscriber shed his light on the subject and started talkin about glitches,and taking advantage of GLITCHES/CHEATZ that just happen to be in the game.
I did not see them as GLITCHEZ,i see them as little advantage for a ground vehicle that already has the oddz Stacked against him and a blown out building being some form of defense from the Deadly Cannonz of the Il-2,190-A-8,110-G-2,etc...
After reading those comments from some one who has hardly ever experienced this GAME from a GV aspect i really don,t see how that persons commentz were even revelant too the subject at hand.
Too settle this whole argument right here and now;
The ENEMY planez should have NO icon showing the ENEMY ground VEHICLE,it is very EASY too kill a GV with one of the planez listed above as it is.They should just see a BLACK dot like i do,that would even the GROUND Vs. AIR scenario out all the way.
Straight up and down like 6 O'clock!
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Originally posted by 1Klink
Ya know,i,m just gonna say this,
Last edited by 1Klink on 03-19-2005 at 11:09 PM
nice edit, 1Klink :aok
I understand your point in your last message also. way to end a conversation on a good note.
and thanks for all the time you offer up to others in the TA ~S~ :)
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Originally posted by 1Klink
Too settle this whole argument right here and now;
The ENEMY planez should have NO icon showing the ENEMY ground VEHICLE,it is very EASY too kill a GV with one of the planez listed above as it is.They should just see a BLACK dot like i do,that would even the GROUND Vs. AIR scenario out all the way.
Straight up and down like 6 O'clock!
Ok, as I had mentioned above. You stated your opinion, argued reasons why you feel that way. People will make thier opinions known. Changes may or may not happen but you've made your views known. You've done all you can. Well done. :) Darn, wasn't that easy? Now can you live with no changes and just continuing on like it is? If so, WTG! :D
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You know what 1Klink if anything I was on subject from the start and you weren't. Mussie was specifically asking if it was ethical to hide inside a hangar from enemy aircraft. He didn't ask about using the hangars to spawn camp.
The particular hangar he is describing is the convergence/loading hangar. This hangar in indestructable no matter what base it's on (enemy or friendly). People know this and know they are pretty much safe from anything if they can get in there. Especially if there are two of them covering the hard angles out of the hangar, essentially setting up a cross fire zone. You also replied that "hiding" in a hangar will only get them killed by low level Lancs. My whole point is that in this particular hangar no bomber is even a threat. The only thing that has the ability to possibly get you in here is a gv or a fighter with heavy guns and maybe rockets. This is due to the fact that a shallow straffing run is needed to try to get any kind of target solution.
In regards to spawn camping which wasn't even what he was asking. Vehicles have the ability to spawn camp the vh on only one of the bases and that is the small airfield. Pretty much on every base it gives them a clear line to alot of the other objects that could essentially cripple that bases fighting capability. Some of them do include the ability to spawn camp rearm areas, some fighter hangars, bomber hangars and some launch points on the runway. So if someone reduced the gv hangar to nothing and the AAA in his immediate was gone he/she could possibly get to this hangar. Then once inside this hangar it'd be virtually impossible to kill them. They'd be immune to friendly fire since their friendly bombs couldn't hit them even with the hangar so close to other destroyable objects.
In essence they are helping not only themselves by using this hangar but also their attacking friendlies since this facility is indestructable. Now they can pretty much destroy anything they want within view of the hangar without jeapordizing friendlies with their inaccurate bomb drops. They are also taking advantage of the fact that a friendly can't destroy his own facilities when it's absolutely necessary to do so. In real life if an enemy has taken a strong hold built by you and it's absolutely necessary to get them out in order to save themselves they will destroy that facility.
Since you also want to bring up you and your squadmates "experiences" again atleast have an idea of what your talking about before you complain. You complained about an LA7 hitting your squadmates vehicle with a 100 pound bomb. The LA7 doesn't even carry a 100 pound bomb. So basically your complaint was null and void due to your own ignorance.
The odds are only stacked against you because of your lack of planning when trying to take a base. If you had planned and you would have brought support vehicles to surround your convoy of tanks from fighters and bombers. If you had done this and it still didn't work then it can only be due to a few things. Your countrymens inability to use their weapon of choice effectively (lack of skill?). The lack of planning to bring enough support vehicles (air or ground) for the object you planned on taking because you underestimated your enemies defense capabilities. Last but not least poor planning when it comes to your choice of insertion routes. Failed to ensure the insertion route you chose will offer you the maximum amount of concealment for the base you chose to attack.
Now you want to get yet another advantage by not having icons. I find this absolutely amazing. It's obvious that some don't want to make an effort and prefer to have it handed to them on a silver platter. I'm sorry but you still don't have legs to stand on.
If you've been around here long enough then you'll know who the LTARs are. They could take bases and defend them with ease. Not because they had it handed to them on a silver platter but because they were extremely effecient and skilled when it comes to ground vehicles. They didn't have to rely on hiding in an indestructable building, they didn't have the option of driving through walls of destroyed buildings, they didn't worry about having an icon, and to top it all off they had very limited concealment areas while doing it in comparison to how it is now.
You obviously still have no clue as to how much time I have in a gv. I constantly did gving when I was in the Unforgiven with people like TopGunz, GenrlX, VegasX, and Malibu. I also defended and attacked bases in them against people like the LTARs. I'm an unexperienced gver though. :aok
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When me and my people are takin a base i have no probs.
The 327th Steele Talons take many bases each nite,over ten a nite like a Big Steam roller.
You just cant stop with the insultz can Ya 412?
I do commend you however for coming on this thread and writing a book about it!:aok
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WOW! This is the most exciting thread I've read in the Help and Training EVAR!!! LOL, welcome to the AH BBS mussie:p
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If it is as easy as you say it is then why would say this previously?
Getting a 100 Lb. bomb dropped near you,or a plane straffing you and you getting killed is un-fair
Which wasn't even the case. Made an assumption based on something you had no idea about in the first place. The weapons platform in question carries 2x100 kilogram bombs not a 100 pound bomb. The other airframes in question were made to kill tanks in the first place. We aren't talking .303 and 50 caliber guns taking down tanks.
And this?
i see them as little advantage for a ground vehicle that already has the oddz Stacked against him and a blown out building being some form of defense from the Deadly Cannonz of the Il-2,190-A-8,110-G-2,etc...
And this?
The ENEMY planez should have NO icon showing the ENEMY ground VEHICLE,it is very EASY too kill a GV with one of the planez listed above as it is.
Looking for an easier way out even though his squad "steam rolls" bases. See last quote.
And last but not least this?
When me and my people are takin a base i have no probs. The 327th Steele Talons take many bases each nite,over ten a nite like a Big Steam roller.
"Steam rolling".
Now are you flip flopping stories or are you just looking for an easier way out? You say the odds are stacked against you and claim it's so "unfair" in your earlier statements and now your claiming that you "steam roll" bases every night with "no problems". So which is it? Am I missing something here?
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Originally posted by 1redrum
looks at a lame attempt to bait and wonders why someone who logged 0 kills and 0 assists and 0 flight time in any arena is even in here putting in their 2 cents
go bait someone on the H2H forum,,,,maybe alison
:rofl
Hehe I always love this "BS"...cobra412 is a more than decent stick...especially for the time he's played. As for GV stuff in AH...its all porked and strictly "no skill" as of now...i'm sure as the game matures it will improve (at least I hope so).
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Cobra412, what is your in game name? I missed the boat on that one:)
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Thanks for the kind remarks Humble.
Superdud I use to fly as Cobra412 from July 2003 to December 2004. I cancelled my account out of frustration one night and resubscribed as Erebus about a week or two later.
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Hehe I always love this "BS"...cobra412 is a more than decent stick...especially for the time he's played. As for GV stuff in AH...its all porked and strictly "no skill" as of now...i'm sure as the game matures it will improve (at least I hope so).
just to set the record straight,,no one ever said cobra was not a compataint pilot ,the coment was made about the "amount of flight time "he has spent in the arenas {which showed as zero under his name cobra,what he chose to hear was that someone was knocking his skillz ,
and i dont see how anyone can make a blanket statement about GV when they havent been on both sides,,,just like u have{note i dont know if u run gv or not}but let me say this over 4 years ago i started playing ah,,as reddad {theres another one for u }back then there was only the panzer ,absolutly no cover,little whiterocks that would vaporise u if u touched them ,when a blding was destroyed the debreis that was left would kill u if u hit it
now people wanna talk smac about "what qualifies someone to train people about gvs,well let me say this klink and i have loged many ,many hrs in the DA testing the GV game ,,,and u would be suprised how acuratly that the modeling is ,like did u know if u shoot tiger in the fuel tank it will vaporize with one shot,did u know that when hidding in a destroyed structure u can be killed did u know that the "position "u are in in the tank makes alot of difference in how u take damage ie:if u in 3 position when strafed u will lose turrent or be killed ,but if u are "buttoned up"it will have very little or no affect..............i could go on
remember AH is a work in progress .an it get better ,i am sure it will jut because someone dosent understand or know the finner points of GV fighting ,its no reason to make such a comment.and it takes alot of skill to hit a moving ,manuvering target wilst under fire :aok
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If you've been around here long enough then you'll know who the LTARs are. They could take bases and defend them with ease. Not because they had it handed to them on a silver platter but because they were extremely effecient and skilled when it comes to ground vehicles. They didn't have to rely on hiding in an indestructable building, they didn't have the option of driving through walls of destroyed buildings, they didn't worry about having an icon, and to top it all off they had very limited concealment areas while doing it in comparison to how it is now.
i beg to differ,ltars relied on numbers,hence the name lead to air ratio,,they were efective at base defence ,at least till the buff guys showed up then they nwere usuall dispatched rather quicklyand btw there still is a few ltars around
and they took few bases without CAS,which is why 327 is seeing much succsess right now ,they use all assests in a coordanated effort
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Cobra,i really don,t care what bomb is what and what does what.
And i don,t have to flip flop your doin it for me.
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My issues with GV's are pretty simple...you can start with tree's that arent where they show on your screen (and hills buildings etc)...go to damage modeling thats totally inconsistant. For exampe I've shot a tiger 30+ times from 400 yds with no damage (in fuel tank area) (left rear {side} behind turret)...I walked shells along the whole area...also done same from dead rear at point plank range.
I like GVing its a nice change...but its still a game the game reality for now. I keep looking for a slot on the PC to put my quarters in:)...
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Ya know this all started cause some dude parked a tank in a hanger
I have to wonder if he has any idea what he has caused :D
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GOD CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF HE ACTUALLY CHEATED IN SOME WAY
THE BB SERVER WOULD GO DOWN CAUSE OF LACK OF HDD SPACE
THE WHOLE INTERNET WOLD SUFFER ONE HUGE DDOS ATTACK
GEE I GUSS THAT MAKES ME GOD <------------ :rofl Kidding PPL
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Originally posted by mussie
Ya know this all started cause some dude parked a tank in a hanger
I have to wonder if he has any idea what he has caused :D
Not much. Just everyone chatting it up for something to do. :lol
Think of how bored they'd be if they couldn't go somewhere and chat via a BBS? :)
Ren
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Not much. Just everyone chatting it up for something to do. :lol
Think of how bored they'd be if they couldn't go somewhere and chat via a BBS? :)
Ren
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Yup, mussie this is actually a very tame thread. Just hang out here for awhile, you'll see some good ones:lol
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