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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Edbert on March 16, 2005, 07:20:19 PM
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The main is down...zero logged in...temp MA is full of free jets.
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im scared to up one, had 850 perks about last night, havend used a perk ride this tour.....
in the backup MA i have 600 some
where did they go?
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MA still dead, and now ENY in effect in the backup MA LOL no 262's except for the rooks.
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Originally posted by JB73
im scared to up one, had 850 perks about last night, havend used a perk ride this tour.....
in the backup MA i have 600 some
where did they go?
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Same here!!! I am missing 800 or so perks!!!!!!
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The backup MA uses an old set of data for player perks and whatnot, not current. Don't worry about the back up details.
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SEE? This is what comes of trying to reset on the Rooks.
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Yeah guess so Oct. I'm still a Muppet in there. Haha. :lol
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CT is always open for those who want a break from ffa.
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LOL CT...
I was in there a few weeks back... Got reamed out on pvt vox for killing someone before he could kill this friendly near me.
Told me to go back to the MA and get the Flock outta the CT.
I proceeded to his field, vulched him serveral times, augerd then went to the MA. :D
I wouldnt want to ruin anyones fun now would I. Or would I?
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Originally posted by eilif
CT is always open for those who want a break from ffa.
I went to the CT, it was rife with gangbangs, HOs, vulching, whining...and to think I thought the MA was down...LOL!
Hmmm..morph...looks like I have a different BBS handle in the backup too (see above).
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Do you think this might be a Y2K bug?
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LOL CT hahahha
:lol
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It is gods way of telling me I will be watching sex and the city or some other fuggin show with my girl tonight. wtf.
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"Oh, look at those shoes! That outfit! Jeff it's my b-day soon..."
hahahahhahhaha!!!!
:lol
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Originally posted by Morpheus
It is gods way of telling me I will be watching sex and the city or some other fuggin show with my girl tonight. wtf.
I wish I had that problem, my wife wants me to watch american-freakin-idol with her!
blech-cough-pteui
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haha thanks for the reminder
when you comin up punk?
Edbert, TRUST me, you do not want to sit through an hour of sex and the city. It is without a doubt the worst POS on TV. Its saposed to be "our quite time" even tho she pays absoltly no attention to me. ALTHO there are nights when I make her sit through disc wings or the simpsons. But who doesnt like the simpsons!? :D
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LOL what a lucky guess on my part haha.
Patience grasshopper, perhaps in May...
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CT is far from perfect, and far from realistic but imho its a heck of alot more engaging than ma. ffa set ups are fun for a while but they inevitably get stale withought some sort of scenario or historical feel, and players often become very plane dependant, screaming and clawing when they are forced to get out of their favorite ride because of eny limeter.
ma is like you are on a millionar's island and he has set up a game for you too play, with alot of planes at your disposal to do as you please as long as you dont shoot at planes with the green tags.
ma is fun, there is alot more to air combat tho, and to ah, that can be entertaining/marketable,
htc once said that there are three basic types of players , something on the lines of those who want to fly like they are in ww2, acm guys, and ppl who want to win the game, i dont think one arena should try to do it all, but for the newer players it can be very entertainig, and get you hooked.
i guess you could say i am the guy who wants to fly like they are in ww2, and get imersed in the situation. so ill wave my fan boy flag too: TOD TOD TOD!
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I agree eilif, I have enjoyed the CT a great deal the times I've flown there, it is certainly different and I'm not talking about the matchups, the arena settings, or the icons; I'm talking about the type of players and the way they play.
Tonight though there were almost 90 folks in there, most of which would have been in the MA if it were up. It was NOT the CT of which you speak :D
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Told me to go back to the MA and get the Flock outta the CT.
Have a name?
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I like the CT on certain occassions. I just don't buy into the "we're better than the MA" bs that a lot of CT'ers espouse. The same dweeby things occur in the CT that happen in the MA, the only difference is a limited planeset with fewer players.
I've always loved the Fin/Rus setup, especially in AH1 when there was a winter terrain and there were those cool little grass airstrips. Added to the immersion of the setup.
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ct has the potential to be very imersive, and ya some times it is just an ma with a limited plane set, but it can be really good when the players cooperate for more challenging settings. some people just cant get over not having dar and alot of the relaxed realism settings you find in ma, and they wont cooperate with mission leaders that are required to make historical settings work. once you get a mission going it can be as entertaining as fridays squad ops, just on a smaller scale. hopefully some day ct will be as active as squad ops are every night, unfortunately these things are a logistical nightmare to coordinate on a daily basis, i think TOD will be the answere to that problem of keeping missions open and people on track and in the action.
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I just don't buy into the "we're better than the MA" bs that a lot of CT'ers espouse.
Most Ct'ers dont view themselves as better, alot just like the CT better. There are few that view it as a private sandbox and berate all who wander by. Pretty silly, but it keeps happening. We on the CT staff reconize the problem and take steps to curb it. But we cant be there 24/7 to babysit though. Try tuesday and thursday nights if you get a chance. Numbers are up then and there usually a CT staffer there to try to keep the place civil.
BTW, the Finn/Russ set up starts this friday, drop in <>
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Sex and the City warps the poor girlies minds.
unless you want trouble, get her off it as soon as possible.
I too suffer the SatC curse whens it is on.
The whole show is dedicated to a bunch of sluts who have more shags than hot meals and will dump a guy if one of his toes is too long.
watch it, its dangerous i tell ya.
CT is fun.
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It is gods way of telling me I will be watching sex and the city or some other fuggin show with my girl tonight. wtf.
Try watching sex and the city with your girl tonight by making it in front of a mirror. She'll hack your ethernet cable in pieces.
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last night when MA was down, went to CT, lots of people there, friendly collisions were on(on the ground also), 15 troops to capture base, not much capturing going on , mostly air to air stuff, allied vs axis, had a good time, wish you were there.
44MAG
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Originally posted by Slash27
I just don't buy into the "we're better than the MA" bs that a lot of CT'ers espouse.
Most Ct'ers dont view themselves as better, alot just like the CT better.
Slash, with all the respect I have for you, I think you are wrong. They think they are gods gift to virtual flying. Even while they vulch you they acuse you of destroing the game.
There are few that view it as a private sandbox and berate all who wander by. Pretty silly, but it keeps happening. We on the CT staff reconize the problem and take steps to curb it.
So, Storch and half his squad have been baned from the CT?
:lol
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Try watching sex and the city with your girl tonight by making it in front of a mirror. She'll hack your ethernet cable in pieces.
Or she may call Hitech and tell him to hurry up and fix the MA...heh
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Originally posted by dedalos
Slash, with all the respect I have for you, I think you are wrong. They think they are gods gift to virtual flying. Even while they vulch you they acuse you of destroing the game.
:lol
Dedalos, I think you get that in any arena. It's just CT is so sparsely populated it just takes one or two farts to stink up the whole room. I very rarely fly MA , and since I've just returned to AH in the last month after needing an equipment upgrade to run AHII,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I hardley fly at all because CT has become a ghost town.
Everybody has their specific taste, mine lean more towards aircraft matchups that are as historical as possible. My opinon though is it takes more skill to be good in the MA , than it does in the CT. In the main the main arena you never know what your going to run into. In the CT you pretty well can predict ahead of time what your enemy will be flying. So I don't buy into the CT guys having an superiority complex over MA guys.
Yeah there are some guys that like to see how many people they can p%ss off on channel 1. I also think if there were more people flying in CT there would be a lot less time for typing. Guys would be getting their butts flamed if they took the time to type insults instead of watching the air around them.
You are right about a few, but don't blame the whole. Those of us that love to fly the CT need to come up with a way to make it more attractive to the MA guys. Being the the **** in the punch bowl is never going to work though.:rolleyes:
Hopefully when MA is down and the CT gets an influx of players people will see it's all the basically people with the same interest , just a different style of the game.:aok
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i always squelch the inter country channels, for one thing its un-realistic, and repetative, a constant barrage of "haha sucker" and "you got me because...." or "i hate this plane" "alt monkey" or " get out of your uber p40"
just log in kill or be killed and log out, dont cry about it, i have seen even the most expirienced pilots come up with the most lame excuses that just make you lose all respect.
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They think they are gods gift to virtual flying. Even while they vulch you they acuse you of destroing the game.
True, I just belivee that most CT "regulars" arent that way.( not all but most) But they dont burn up the text buffer telling you they arent a butthead.
" get out of your uber p40"
That one always makes me laugh:D
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I try CT now and agin when rooks are gettin ganged off yet anothermap ---invariably, there are about 15-20 guys, 3/4 of whom are orbiting at 20k, DAMNED determined to have an alt advantage on their next fight....yawn. I have more fun in H2H, if i can find a non-easy mode room
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invariably, there are about 15-20 guys, 3/4 of whom are orbiting at 20k, DAMNED determined to have an alt advantage on their next fight....yawn. I have more fun in H2H, if i can find a non-easy mode room
Thats a load of crap
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Concise, intelligent, thoughtful, informative...to the point...i like that.
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Originally posted by Slash27
invariably, there are about 15-20 guys, 3/4 of whom are orbiting at 20k, DAMNED determined to have an alt advantage on their next fight....yawn. I have more fun in H2H, if i can find a non-easy mode room
Thats a load of crap
I dropped in last night for a bit. I found numerous fighters well above me and I was at 12k. Now, there were a lot of non-CT regulars in there, so I can't comment beyond that simple observation.
What I did see that I didn't like was the overbearing text police. I sat in a tower for ten minutes and observed that some text discussions were blunt, sometimes even a bit contentious. I didn't see any swearing, but there was some complaining about being vulched and the like. What bothered me was the constant intervention of the CT admin guys warning players about their discussions, and the overuse of blue "God text", even for conversations. One guy was complaining a lot on the 200 channel, and he was told to either "knock it off or leave".
That was a bit over the top gents. That guy may be annoying, but his $15 buys him the right to complain, as long as he's not abusing other players. If people don't want to read his whining, they can squelch him. Besides, he's not hurting anyone but himself by establishing a reputation as a cry baby.
And what about those fighters that were enabled, but not listed in the MOTD? I saw SpitIXs and P-47D-11s.....
My regards,
Widewing
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The only respect that the CT might make you a better pilot is being forced to fly a plane that is not competitive in the MA, and you learn something from it. If you can learn to kill in '42-'43 planes from practicing in the CT, you will have a better understanding of getting the most out of what you are in. Lots of people who are several steps above average in the MA do fly the early planes, so no, you dont have to fly in the CT to accomplish the same thing, but its somewhat easier to learn that if there is no chance of running into a Temp in your Hurricane MkI.
I cringe every time I see one of the CT sandbox bullies abusing someone who is just trying the place out. Personally, I think certain folks want the CT to themselves and work to keep new people out, or leave as quickly as possible.
I love it when someone like ManeTMP or Leviathan, or Shane, or Urchin comes in there and smacks me around because I always learn something from it. I had more fun last night when the MA was down and there were 90 in the CT than I have in a long time.
I heard a lot of people, some who had never been in the CT ever before, say things to the effect "hey, this is kinda fun". Heck even ManeTMP said "the CT is pretty fun when its like this". Unfortunately, there were nearly as many that said they thought it blew chunks.
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When i was on my 2 week trial CT was the only place i hanged out, no big reason other than i was with a good group at the time, i flew with the flying ghosts headed by the pilot that goes by "1963" we had a great time, and I fealt welcomed.
As a new player and new too flight sims i enjoyed the feeling that CT offered, the sense of imersion, the sense that you were fighting in your countrys air force re living the events that shaped the world into what it is today.
for me ma is a meeting place where the community can hang out in between special events and just do as they please, its not the begining and end all of ah, and i dont think it was intended to be, i think there will be a day when ma will have less numbers than other servers and other air combat war games that htc dreams up, whether they are historical or fantastical in nature.
if people just keep their mouths shut and relax things would go alot better, and alot more would get done.
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What I did see that I didn't like was the overbearing text police. I sat in a tower for ten minutes and observed that some text discussions were blunt, sometimes even a bit contentious. I didn't see any swearing, but there was some complaining about being vulched and the like. What bothered me was the constant intervention of the CT admin guys warning players about their discussions, and the overuse of blue "God text", even for conversations. One guy was complaining a lot on the 200 channel, and he was told to either "knock it off or leave".
Not what happened at all. The guy wasnt warned about about complaints or for trash talking. What ever the problem between the two was, it broke down to silly insults and personal attacks. He was asked more than once to knock it off but refused. So he was informed to knock it off or leave. That was the worst thing that happened along those lines the whole night. The only other thing I said at one point when things heated up was a simple "ease up guys" which worked fine. Some one had complained about some vulching, to which I said it not against the rules but was kind of lame given most were doing thier fighting in the air. There were no blue text fun nazis abusing their powers and to imply other wise is plain silly because thats not the way it happened. Things went rather well in my opinion on Ch1 given the predisposed animosity towards the CT by some MAers and likewise ill will by some CTers towards the MA regulars. Im glad people were able to drop in a have some fun till the MA was back up and running.
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Originally posted by Löwe
Dedalos, I think you get that in any arena. It's just CT is so sparsely populated it just takes one or two farts to stink up the whole room.
:lol
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Hey, good fights last night at A129/134 Dedalos. Your pretty darn good in that P-40.
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Originally posted by Grits
Hey, good fights last night at A129/134 Dedalos. Your pretty darn good in that P-40.
Yeah, it was fun to have a good night after a while. I was actually getting some kills here and there.
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There were no blue text fun nazis abusing their powers and to imply other wise is plain silly because thats not the way it happened.
Here's some advice. Save God text for extreme situations. Use the yellow text for routine cautioning. I find that too much God text causes it to become ordinary, and consequently, it is often ignored as normal text clutter. At least that is my experience using it in the TA.
Another reason not to use admin text frequently is that players will begin to believe you are using it as a badge of authority. Admin people (including trainers) should be as invisible as possible, using 200 or country text for most messages. When someone gets out of hand (way out of hand), then use the God text to get their attention.
My usual approach is to use country text for the first warning of mild offenses. Second warning can get either yellow or blue depending on how disruptive the player is. There is no third warning, just instant ejection. Serious rules violations get one warning, then it's bye-bye on the next instance.
However, over the time span that I've been a trainer, I have had to eject only one player. Most will comply when warned of the consequences. It's also often more effective to PM the offender rather than chastise him in front of everyone, which often generates unneeded anger. Being discrete often pays bigger dividends than a public whipping. Likewise, you are not at risk for being perceived as a "hardprettythang". Again, you can manage an arena while being generally invisible.
My regards,
Widewing
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I wasnt looking for your advice. Next time try not assuming things arent done right because you arent then one doing it.
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Originally posted by Slash27
I wasnt looking for your advice. Next time try not assuming things arent done right because you arent then one doing it.
Nonetheless, it is good advice.
Well, I was trying to avoid being blunt, hoping you would take the hint. I came away from an hour in the CT feeling that the admin guys were on a power trip, suddenly having so many players to impress with their authority. If I felt that way, how many other of the 60 or so non-regulars in the CT that night also thought the same?
Maybe the lack of players in the CT is a clue. Maybe the fact that 30% of the players are staff is too subtle a hint.
Either way, it's your party and you guys can run it anyway you wish. Have fun.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Edbert
I wish I had that problem, my wife wants me to watch american-freakin-idol with her!
blech-cough-pteui
Been their... Doing that...
I've at least got her to the point of just taping it then fast forwarding through the crap. Cuts an hour program down to about 30 minutes.
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Widewing though I don't frequent the CT often I was there the other night when the MA went down and saw what happenend.
The person in question repeatedly in all caps demanded people even up the sides. He was initially ignored until he said "Even up the sides Damnit". He was then told to watch it by one of the admins. He proceeded to verbally attack the admin at that point. Inwhich the admin had told him it wasn't the first time he had acted up and the admin had film of him doing it.
Needless to say some of the others jumped on the guy too but it wasn't the admins trying to bully anyone nor abuse their admin rights. The person was out of line.
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Widewing,
You honestly really have no basis to state what you are saying. In the 3 years I have been flying the CT, I have never seen you there. One night that the MA is dead, you come to the CT and you now feel you should "advise" the CT staff on how to run the arena???
What would've gone over better than a fart in church would have been to have approached one of the CT staffers privately about how we run the arena. The CT is a completely different animal than the MA or the TA. Easiest example.....we use the Blue text in order to identify ourselves as staffers.... that way, those new to the arena will know that we are staffers and they can ask questions, or point out when something is amiss with the setup.
See, in the CT...the staffers control the settings and the setup, as do the CM's in the SEA. Someone who is new to the arena could be in there flying around, not understanding why the dar isn't the same as the MA, or why the fuel setting is different, or why aren't all the planes available, or why doens't the planeset match up with the MOTD...etc...etc...etc. I think you see where I am headed.
Staffers do not use the blue text as a means to "impress [others] with their authority", and frankly it is insulting that you would state that we do. Maybe you should spend a little more time than one night in the arena before you step off criticizing (sp?) those who give their free time to keep it running.
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Originally posted by 1Duke1
Widewing,
You honestly really have no basis to state what you are saying. In the 3 years I have been flying the CT, I have never seen you there. One night that the MA is dead, you come to the CT and you now feel you should "advise" the CT staff on how to run the arena???
No offense Duke, but if you haven't seen me in the TA during the past three years, it's because you can't remember beyond one. I was a frequent player in the CT, often spending the majority of my time there. Just go back a year or so and check my stats.
I've seen lots of staffers come and go. Some good, some not so good. I also appreciate the time spent setting up the CT. I spend 50 hours or more a month in the TA, as well as helping to write the new training manual. So, don't think that you guys are unusual because you donate your time.
I stopped flying in the TA because of the cliques, the frequently obnoxious staff and the rinse & repeat setups. I also find it amusing that most if not all the staffers are in the same squad.
Listen guys, you have your sandbox, so play anyway you like. However, the fact that we had 4 to 5 times the numbers in the TA than you had in the CT tonight, that tells me that all is not well. When I logged on around 9 PM EST, there were 4 guys in the CT. I can remember when there would be 30-40 on a Friday night. So, what happened?
As to using God text, I don't buy your premise. If someone has a question, they'll ask it whether or not you have identified yourselves.... God almighty, you're crackin' me up! LOLOLOL In the TA, if someone needs to talk with a trainer, they need only ask if a trainer is online, or check the roster. But you guys use the God text for all conversation, that God forbid, someone might not realize that you're staffers! LOLOLOLOL Which one of those 4 guys on tonight didn't already know?
My regards,
Widewing
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I don't come onto the training BB and criticize the training staff on how they run the TA...so why should you come onto the CT board and criticize the CT staff on how or what we do in the arena??
I went back and looked at your stats....want to compare??
I went back 14 months...you spent a grand total of 3 hours, 14 mins and 12 seconds in the CT arena. For my time I only went back 12 months....I had roughly 340 hours in the arena during this period (not including this month, March). I didn't worry about going back further as I figure the point has been made that I probably *know* the arena better than you.
Your statements about how the arena was "back when I flew the CT" mean nothing now. The arena has changed...the game has changed....the STAFF has changed.
So, don't think that you guys are unusual because you donate your time.
Never said we were special....obviously you don't know what it takes to run a setup in the CT, or maintain one. "Blue" speak is easier for me to setup once than to try and switch back and forth, so I use it to talk to all....see I actually use all the channels in the radio setup when I am flying.
and the rinse & repeat setups. I also find it amusing that most if not all the staffers are in the same squad.
Rinse and repeat??? So what's different in the MA except the terrain????
Also...guess you DO need us to talk in the blue text...because the statement "most if not all" the staffers are in the same squad is completely wrong...do you know who the staffers are??? Obviously not, so why would you post this???
You really should get an understanding of what's going on, and what's been going on before you jump to conclusion's and assumptions about the CT arena. The CT has changed, and will continue to change....the numbers don't make an arena like this...it's the people who are flying the arena at the time who do.
In the MA, nothing changes.....same planeset vs. same planeset....only the terrain is different. In the CT your actually challenged to fly an aircraft against it's historical opponent. Yeah...there is some gameyness....but, hell...this is a game. But can you really compare the gameyness in the CT to the gameyness that is the MA????
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Nonetheless, it is good advice.
Maybe it is your world. Forgive me if I choose not to heed it when its coming from some one like you. You have done nothing but post your assumptions of reality which I know for a fact are wrong. You start by posting a story that for lack of a better word is a lie. Then denounce the CT staffers as power hungry little dictators. You dont know me or any other CT staffer Im guessing.
As to using God text, I don't buy your premise. If someone has a question, they'll ask it whether or not you have identified yourselves.... God almighty, you're crackin' me up! LOLOLOL In the TA, if someone needs to talk with a trainer, they need only ask if a trainer is online, or check the roster. But you guys use the God text for all conversation, that God forbid, someone might not realize that you're staffers! LOLOLOLOL Which one of those 4 guys on tonight didn't already know?
Gee, sounds like you're the one with the power trip to me. Is the fact that the CT staffers are actually active as players somehow offensive to you? Seems pretty odd to me that you get so bent out of shape because some one uses "God" text.:rolleyes: Duke has already explained why we choose to use the staff text as we do but that really doesnt matter. You obviously have some kind of ego issue and feel compelled to mark your territory now. So go piss in your sandbox. We are ok without you.
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I stopped flying in the TA because of the cliques, the frequently obnoxious staff and the rinse & repeat setups. I also find it amusing that most if not all the staffers are in the same squad.
Are you talking about the CT?
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Originally posted by 1Duke1
I went back and looked at your stats....want to compare??
I went back 14 months...you spent a grand total of 3 hours, 14 mins and 12 seconds in the CT arena. For my time I only went back 12 months....I had roughly 340 hours in the arena during this period (not including this month, March). I didn't worry about going back further as I figure the point has been made that I probably *know* the arena better than you.
Your statements about how the arena was "back when I flew the CT" mean nothing now. The arena has changed...the game has changed....the STAFF has changed.
My first CT visit was during tour 4. I flew in the CT every tour from tour 8 thru tour 23, logging as many as 130 hours in one of those, to as little as 2 hours. I'm no stranger to it.
Yeah, the staff has changed (as I noted). I liked some aspects of the CT and disliked others. Gradually I saw the CT evolving into an aerial frat house, suffering from the effects of inbreeding. I watched the population decline as players lost interest. Today you can find more veteran players in the TA than in the CT.
You stated:
"In the MA, nothing changes.....same planeset vs. same planeset....only the terrain is different. In the CT your actually challenged to fly an aircraft against it's historical opponent. Yeah...there is some gameyness....but, hell...this is a game. But can you really compare the gameyness in the CT to the gameyness that is the MA????"
Well, there's plenty of variety in the MA. And there's plenty of gamey behavior in the CT too.
Want a challenge? Fly the IL-2 or SBD as a fighter for a tour in the MA. You can set your own challenges, you don't need a special arena for that. And what about historical opponents? Let's see, the recent Tunisia set-up was proposed with the SpitV. That's what it said in MOTD. But, staffers added the SpitIX and P-47D-11, neither of which saw action in North Africa during 1943. Am I mistaking, or was the SpitV removed due to whining about how uber it had become? So, when some regulars piss and moan, the historical set-up gets changed to a non-historical set-up, is that correct?
One thing you may have misunderstood Duke, it wasn't just the God text that put me off, but the constant scolding of players that irritated me, like the strutting rooster crowing to impress the hens. Maybe I saw something that could be an isolated issue, I merely told you the impression it left with me. Nonetheless, you guys confirm that this arena is actively dominated by the staff, and that is a mistake IMHO.
Here's the bottom line ladies: Despite the name calling and general nastiness of slash27 and the typical defensive BS I expected, the numbers don't lie.
The fact that the CTs numbers are the lowest I've ever seen is evidence that whatever is being done, it isn't working. So, no matter how you rationalize things, justify policy or defend your position, you still have to answer one question.
Why is it that a dead skunk draws a bigger crowd than the CT?
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Slash27
I stopped flying in the TA because of the cliques, the frequently obnoxious staff and the rinse & repeat setups. I also find it amusing that most if not all the staffers are in the same squad.
Are you talking about the CT?
Yes, a typo on my part...
My regards,
Widewing
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I personally don't fly in the CT because of the elitist attitude from several of the people who frequent there.
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Despite the name calling and general nastiness of slash27 and the typical defensive BS I expected, the numbers don't lie.
What name calling and how was I nasty? By calling you on your post? You perpatrate some bs about me and get offended because Im defensive?
but the constant scolding of players that irritated me,
Which wasnt what happened.
the numbers don't lie.
No, but you do.
The fact that the CTs numbers are the lowest I've ever seen is evidence that whatever is being done, it isn't working. So, no matter how you rationalize things, justify policy or defend your position, you still have to answer one question.
Why should I try to justify anything to you? Your mind was made up before you went in the CT the other night. There are a number of reasons why the CT numbers are low. They were never high to begin with. They were however consistantly in the 30-40 range almost nightly with higher numbers on squad nights. When AH2 was released there was no CT for awhile. When it was opened back up there were no CT maps available and the numbers dropped to nothing. The new maps were slow in coming and the numbers havent been the same since. There are more issues than just that that hold the CT like some regulars berating anyone who ventures in to their backyard. It does nothing for the CT but for some reason they cant get that through thier head. The majority arent like that but thats never taken into consideration and seems too much damage has been done to reverse this immpression for some. But you can feel free to keep pointing your finger at me and keep trying to portray me as an ego tripping power hungry little bully. Just dont go to whining when I respond to your bs.
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Slash, you already know this, but the loudest of the CT sandbox bullies has stated that he WANTS the CT to stay very small. I believe he intentionally wants to run away new folks so he can keep it to himself. Its rather unfortunate.
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Well atleast Widewing seems to have uncovered the real truth:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
Been their... Doing that...
I've at least got her to the point of just taping it then fast forwarding through the crap. Cuts an hour program down to about 30 minutes.
I admit to complaining about American Idol, but that is largely misplaced. See, I get some demerits for refusing to watch it with her (which are ameliorated largely by asking her to watch Discovery Wings with me), but now that American Idol is on three days a week (!!!) I get that time to spend flying :D
WRT taping...DVR is your friend!
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I personally don't fly in the CT because of the elitist attitude from several of the people who frequent there.
Im not so sure its an elitist attitude so much as a school yard bully attitude anymore. I have seen many posts from CT regulars who feel the CT is a better place to fly than the MA because they enjoy the two sided historical set up. Alot of those threads get interpruted wrongly by some and it breaks down i to a flame fest. On the other side of that you have a vocal minority who gets alot of attention in the CT due to their piss poor attitudes. They seem to take pleasure in running people off then proclaim themselves as king of the sandbox. This then reflects on all CT regulars as a bunch of mouthy elist punks. When Im on I try to keep things as civil as possible as do the other staffers. Apparently this is the wrong approach and they should be able to continue this behavior because its "thier $15" and the staffers are on a power trip if they intervine.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Why should I try to justify anything to you? Your mind was made up before you went in the CT the other night. There are a number of reasons why the CT numbers are low. They were never high to begin with. They were however consistantly in the 30-40 range almost nightly with higher numbers on squad nights. When AH2 was released there was no CT for awhile. When it was opened back up there were no CT maps available and the numbers dropped to nothing. The new maps were slow in coming and the numbers havent been the same since. There are more issues than just that that hold the CT like some regulars berating anyone who ventures in to their backyard. It does nothing for the CT but for some reason they cant get that through thier head. The majority arent like that but thats never taken into consideration and seems too much damage has been done to reverse this immpression for some. But you can feel free to keep pointing your finger at me and keep trying to portray me as an ego tripping power hungry little bully. Just dont go to whining when I respond to your bs.
You are so easy to debate, because you can't avoid getting personal. It isn't about a lack of maps, it isn't about a limited plane set, it's a people problem, and alway has been. Try to understand that.
My regards,
Widewing
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You are so easy to debate, because you can't avoid getting personal. It isn't about a lack of maps, it isn't about a limited plane set, it's a people problem, and alway has been. Try to understand that.
What debate? You get offended because you posted what amounted to lies about the CT staffers and I and responded to it. You then claim nasty name calling which didnt happen. As a far as a people problem I think I adressed that as well. I just gave you a brief history of what the CT went through with the change to AH2. Those are facts. Thats what took place. Why you cant understand that I dont. What I dont understand is your posting of fictional events. Do you think if you just keep repeating it it will suddenly become the truth?
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Some observations (get the flamethroweres ready)
As far as the blue text, well, at list they are trying something different. I have not seen too mach of it when I am there so it seems that the CT staff was just trying something different. So, I would say, "Hey, atlist they are trying" instead of manning 5" guns and talk about how great they are.
As far as game play. I think what makes the CT atractive is the small number of players and the respect you would get from knowing the people. By respect I mean, wait till someone gets to 1K before killing him, respect an existing fight atc. However, that is not there. That can be found in the DA but not in the CT. It has become a mini MA so why would you fly there if it is not different?
Now, given the small population, the few Jack Arses that frequent the place really stand out as being the majority (even though they are not). All this keeps people away.
I don't know how to fix it but I would start with keeking some people out of there, and then maybe come up with what is the CT. What's to be expected tehre. It will never succed as a mini MA cause, well, we already have an MA. Historical setups may not be the answer either cause SpitVs against 109s for example is not really a mach up in a game environment.
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Not to be an arse but when ppl say the CT is a mini MA it goes both ways. The MA is just a big CT with more whiners more dweebs bigers maps and a FFA planeset. You just hear more about the "big mouths" in the CT beacuse of the low numbers. Do you not fly in the MA because someone is mouthing off? No, all you have to do type those eight magic letters "squelch". Why can't you do that when your in the CT? And yes if a CM is on and things go to far or gets outa hand the CM steps in.
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I have flown in the CT some, not much, but most of the times I have been there it was civil and I saw no elitist attitudes, at least when compared to the MA. There was some of the respect Deadalos spoke of...asking for permission to join a fight, and letting a guy get some airspeed before vulching...lol. I saw more than once a guy was allowed to get to 5K, with the agreement that he would leave the ack-dome so there could be a fair fight. These things aren't completely universal by any means, but when compared to the MA it is definatly a trend. I have seen over and over folks change sides in the CT to even up the numbers, and overall there seems to be less animosity and trash-talking. The historical matchups are kind of fun, but they all get old sooner or later, the best part for me personally is the reduced icon range and info.
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You forgot the best thing about the CT. KillShooter is off so if theres a killstealer that jumps in front of you shooting a enemy plane you get two kills.:aok
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Originally posted by TrueKill
You forgot the best thing about the CT. KillShooter is off so if theres a killstealer that jumps in front of you shooting a enemy plane you get two kills.:aok
What???? I think I may become a regular now, lol :rofl
You are right about the CT, MA and numbers. It does go both ways. My point was, why have two MAs. At list, in the one with the big numbers I can find some friends to fly with.
I don;t log in to be abused and squelch the guy that did it. I have a short fuse also, but I am very respectfull to others. There are some guys in there that get to me and I want to get back to them. I refuse to just back off and go away. Yes, thats my problem, but I caanot fly there while those 2 or 3 guys are on cause, well thats 60% of the population sometimes.
Edbert, you got lucky. Sometimes teh CT is like you described it. Its a matter of luck. Last time I was there the likes of 616Fubar from the MA and ther egular CT arses where on, so I left. The fights you described can be found in the DA, and if it is base capture you are seeking, well, MA has that.
Make it different and attractive and people will put up with all this crap. Once you get some numbers there, all this will not matter cause most people are desent. Its 1 or 2 that ruin the hole thing now.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
You just hear more about the "big mouths" in the CT beacuse of the low numbers. Do you not fly in the MA because someone is mouthing off? No, all you have to do type those eight magic letters "squelch". Why can't you do that when your in the CT?
Seems plain enough to me. Heck, I turn off the speakers when I'm in the MA because I don't want the family to hear the foul language. Does that drive me away?
Well....no....the vulchers and gangers and the "It's always March, 1945" are probably what drive me away...but I digress...
In my view, it's just plain silly to let a fool ruin your day. If you enjoy the different things the CT has to offer, then you're letting a bully run your life if you leave because of his trash-talking. That's not something to be proud of.
Widewing, I'd be interested in hearing your views on why the CT numbers have fallen from their pre-AH2 highs.
- Oldman (Also, I note your distinction in being able to drive Slash to anger. Never saw that before.)
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So is the MA still down?:p
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Originally posted by SuperDud
So is the MA still down?:p
Quit trying to hijack this hijack!
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Seems plain enough to me. Heck, I turn off the speakers when I'm in the MA because I don't want the family to hear the foul language. Does that drive me away?
Well....no....the vulchers and gangers and the "It's always March, 1945" are probably what drive me away...but I digress...
In my view, it's just plain silly to let a fool ruin your day. If you enjoy the different things the CT has to offer, then you're letting a bully run your life if you leave because of his trash-talking. That's not something to be proud of.
True, but I am not like that. I hit back. I'd rather ask for range squelch functionality than turn off my speakers. I'd rather see something happen to the fools than just let them have their way. But, thats just me.
- Oldman (Also, I note your distinction in being able to drive Slash to anger. Never saw that before.)
Sure he got angry. We critisize while he is trying to fix. Then, he gets critisized for trying cause he did not try the right way according to some people.
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Originally posted by Edbert
Quit trying to hijack this hijack! [/Q]
hehehee:D
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[edit]: double post