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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: humble on March 16, 2005, 07:56:30 PM
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I'm assuming we have some flavor of dual purpose 37mm mannable airfield guns since if we had AA only then they couldnt kill a tank at all.....
However, it's an ongoing farce that a 37mm dual purpose gun of any flavor could knock out a tank. I've had PZIV's killed faster than I can stop and get a shot off at ranges of ~2000 yds vs the tanks frontal armor.
Now if we're simply providing mark 7 turbo lazers fine...otherwise why not make the hitting power more realistic. Basically it should have somewhere near the hitting power of the M-8 main round at most (and I'd guess a bit less)....
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yeah, and quit with the insta-kill one ping crap from manned ack.
silly as hell.
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It does seem kinda silly that a 37mm AA gun would knock out a Tiger I, which 75mm armed tanks cannot in most angles.
While its highly possible that the 37mm is another 'gameplay concession', to act as AT guns as well as AA, in that case why not just introduce a separate mannable 'AT bunker' or 'AT pillbox' or 'AT battery' object to the game?
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It probably shouldn't be able to hurt a Tiger, but a Panzer IV only has 50mm of armor on the turret front, and less than that on the sides. A 37mm AP round would go through that.
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Originally posted by Urchin
It probably shouldn't be able to hurt a Tiger, but a Panzer IV only has 50mm of armor on the turret front, and less than that on the sides. A 37mm AP round would go through that.
Thats a marginal statement, the 37mm on the M3 (same M6 37mm as M-8) could penatrate 48mm (also have seen 52m) at 30 degree's at 500 meters. So this is a marginal penatration. Given how often we see ricochets and hits without leathal damage at 1000 or less with 75mm guns I dont see how you'd think a 37mm has that kind of killing power.
Out of curiousity what type of success does the M-8 have vs a PZIV in AH at 500m/1000m/2000m??
The german pak 36 anti tank gun (37mm) could only penatrate 29mm at 500 meters
http://www.tarrif.net/wwii/guides/at_guns.htm
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Ive seen it go two ways.. Ill use the manned flak to lead tanks in on the kill by firing at the enemy tank.. all i get is the rubber rounds..expected. then again ive killed the panzer4 using the flak gun, it takes quite a few rounds. I have never killed one with a single round. Now I have been killed or my turret knocked out by the infamous "PING".. think its one of those 37mm laser guided, heat seaking, thermo-nuclear, depleated uranium SABOT rounds.. (still a HT secret, dont tell anyone.. hush hush). :rofl :rofl
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yeah, and quit with the insta-kill one ping crap from manned ack.
yep and tracerless they extra gamey
i hate being knocked out 1 ping by a gundweeb
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
yep and tracerless they extra gamey
i hate being knocked out 1 ping by a gundweeb
clueless as usual lol
mannable AA isnt tracerless, HT fixed that long ago.
the 1 ping kill is a cockpit shot from a 37mm gun, u should be dead. when planes fly @ my gun, i aim for engine/cockpit, when they fly parallel, ill aim for wings
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Originally posted by humble
Thats a marginal statement, the 37mm on the M3 (same M6 37mm as M-8) could penatrate 48mm (also have seen 52m) at 30 degree's at 500 meters. So this is a marginal penatration. Given how often we see ricochets and hits without leathal damage at 1000 or less with 75mm guns I dont see how you'd think a 37mm has that kind of killing power.
Out of curiousity what type of success does the M-8 have vs a PZIV in AH at 500m/1000m/2000m??
The german pak 36 anti tank gun (37mm) could only penatrate 29mm at 500 meters
http://www.tarrif.net/wwii/guides/at_guns.htm
The Russian NS-37 (best gun evar!!!1!) might have been as high as 48 mm at 500 yards (90 degrees) according to Tony Williams' site. http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/tankbusters.htm
I wonder if this gun was ground deployed in an AT capacity?
-Sik
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
yep and tracerless they extra gamey
i hate being knocked out 1 ping by a gundweeb
And I hate only having 3 acks defending a large airbase. It's gamey. Three quicks squirts from the vulchers and no ack defense at which time they can use their ACM skills to fight aircraft the manly way. While their engines are starting.........
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the 1 ping kill is a cockpit shot from a 37mm gun, u should be dead. when planes fly @ my gun, i aim for engine/cockpit, when they fly parallel, ill aim for wings
i would aim for the whole plane and miss.
Yep even when come straight at me.
Takes alot of gv time to master that i guess but that is so boring.
Life is simple and happy when clueless.
:aok
we can't be all elitistic like u.
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Originally posted by whels
clueless as usual lol
mannable AA isnt tracerless, HT fixed that long ago.
the 1 ping kill is a cockpit shot from a 37mm gun, u should be dead. when planes fly @ my gun, i aim for engine/cockpit, when they fly parallel, ill aim for wings
being knocked out one hit by 37mm is not my gripe.
its having my tail fin blow off by it then blowing up a second later.
would that happen, no.
everytime the manned ack hits a plane it blows up ala pilot hit.
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Originally posted by mechanic
everytime the manned ack hits a plane it blows up ala pilot hit.
um no it doesnt happen all the time,, most the time i hit guys with AA on wings, tails they flutter to the ground missing the part.
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how do you know it was maned ack that hit you?
in a furball over a enemy base and i get hit , i don't always know if it was a plane , maned ack or AI ack, i just know i got hit.
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being knocked out one hit by 37mm is not my gripe.
its having my tail fin blow off by it then blowing up a second later.
would that happen, no.
everytime the manned ack hits a plane it blows up ala pilot hit.
Not really.
Depends on the angle - if your tail stabs are blown off right before you explode, its entirely possible the AP round severed through your plane's rear quarters, and reached either your fuel tanks or pilot.
I've been shot down in lots of different ways when lingering near manned ack. Usually a 1ping pilot kill/fuel tank explosion when I'm facing it, and structural failures in other angles.
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I put over 300 rounds into a tank with 37mm in pretty much the same spot. On 50mm armor that should be a kill everytime u would think. ( hit him in the side from bout 1.4) didnt even phase him...i got a proxy from an egg dropper finally killing him.
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Originally posted by mechanic
being knocked out one hit by 37mm is not my gripe.
its having my tail fin blow off by it then blowing up a second later.
would that happen, no.
everytime the manned ack hits a plane it blows up ala pilot hit.
Some people don't stop shooting when the airplane is broke and alot of the time more than one gun is trying to hit an aircraft. So one could get his aircraft broke and then get blown up (pilot kill) shortly afterward.
It is pretty neat to sometime see parts of a broken up aircraft go skidding past you on the ground. :D
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Originally posted by jaxxo
I put over 300 rounds into a tank with 37mm in pretty much the same spot. On 50mm armor that should be a kill everytime u would think. ( hit him in the side from bout 1.4) didnt even phase him...i got a proxy from an egg dropper finally killing him.
Should have been an assist if you actually hit him i.e. not impacting trees or some such.
I killed a panzer with an Osti the other night but he wasn't 1.4K out either. I think I hit him between 15 and 25 times. Was it a Tiger perhaps?
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Yesterday I killed a CV and a cruiser that were just offshore attacking my Rook base with the 37mm manned field ack. Neither one had taken damage before I started firing on them. All FH's were down, VH was down, only one or two friendly fighters were up, and there were a swarm of enemies (I forget which country though). After the CV went down, the FH's popped, the friendlies upped, and that was the end of it. I still can't believe no one strafed down the field ack considering how many enemy aircraft were there. FEAR THE FIELD ACK!!!!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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A 37mm should not be able to kill a CV or a Cruiser or even a DD. Now it is possible to disable a Tiger with a 37mm if you hit it in the right place at an effective distance (600 or closer); the Tiger was damned near invincible but not completely. It is possible to shoot it's tracks off or, if scoring mutiple hits on the rear, you can blow it up; it's rear area where the engine and fuel were is extremely vulnerable.
For those who don't like the notion of field acks or their efficiency, then I suppose you prolly shouldn't be able to fly in over a base with huge numbers at 25k, scream down in a dive, and swarm it for the capture. A base is set up for defense and offense, a set of 37mm guns is not an effective way to defend a base, nor is a seaside base (on some maps) without 5 inch or 8 inch guns an effective way to defend a base. A massive GV attack should be a risky venture, with more (not less) ground assets availabe to counter the attack but, we don't have that; what we have, is what we have. If you are attacking a base in either a GV or an aircraft, perhaps a bit more respect of the ground defensive weapons would be in order; that way you may not be shot down by them (manned or unmanned).
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Yeah, I admit it was unrealistic, but it was still rather humorous. It took quite a while though, about 400 rounds to kill the CV. It was a lot less for the cruiser though, I'd say 150-200. I thought they were going to run the ships aground, being as close as they were to the beach. The base didn't have any shore batteries (although you'd think it would), and the field ack was about the only thing up at the time, so I made do with what was available.