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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on March 18, 2005, 08:47:12 AM
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"Throughout time there has been one creature recorded in the legends of every world culture.
were they imagined, or real?"
May be a myth, but still looks like a fun watch
DRAGONS (http://animal.discovery.com/convergence/dragons/dragons.html)
Check out the site
Some really great special effects
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hmmmm...
I say rogue Teredactyls with a severa case of indigestion are to blame.
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komodo dragon
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lol.
you guys see the part:
'deep in the mountains of carpathia' ... yada yada yada... 'found the frozen, preserved remains of a dragon' ...
reminds me of a B rated godzilla clone movie from the 80's..cant remember the name now :P
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Peter Jackson (of LOTR) said something brilliant.
For there to be a real dragon, the wings in proportion to the body mass must be huge.
Also, it would have to eat a lot of food just to be able to fly.
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Does raise an interesting question though if you think about it.
There are legends of winged dragons all over the world with civilisations that had no contact with one another.
keeping that in mind
Where does a common myth like this get started? and How?
The only thing I can think of is they were finding dinosaur bones and such and putting two and two together..
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Peter Jackson (of LOTR) said something brilliant.
For there to be a real dragon, the wings in proportion to the body mass must be huge.
You mean kinda likea bumble bee?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Does raise an interesting question though if you think about it.
There are legends of winged dragons all over the world with civilisations that had no contact with one another.
keeping that in mind
Where does a common myth like this get started? and How?
The only thing I can think of is they were finding dinosaur bones and such and putting two and two together..
I watched a show on the history channel about this, one thing is alot of civilizations had more contact with each other than we usually believe. They mentioned that even an animal as normal to us as an alligator would have looked pretty strange to knights that were on crusades out of England. Then take into account the fact that people like legends (just look at your buddies latest fish stories).
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the bumblebee is still a SMALL creature, very VERY light body and insects have proven to be able to lift several hundred times their own weight.
When you get to larger sizes your weight increases to the point where the muscles needed to lift you will end up weighing more than the limit... which is why birds have hollow bones and dont exceed a certain size (I think the condor is the biggest bird and its still pretty small).
Heck even the pterodactyl was only about 30 inches long.
A dragon if it existed as the tales say, would be elephant sized or bigger creatures... even with hollow bones they wouldnt be able to fly.
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Originally posted by DieAz
komodo dragon
Komodo Dragons dont come close to the mythical dragon imo. They dont breath fire, not as big as a house, and they dont fly. Far more importantly though, Komodo Dragons dont hoard treasure. :D
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OIO,
There is a species of sea eagle that has a wingspan around 10 ft. Damn big birds, and I think they're bigger than condors. I can't remember exactly what species they are though.
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Originally posted by RTStuka
I watched a show on the history channel about this, one thing is alot of civilizations had more contact with each other than we usually believe. They mentioned that even an animal as normal to us as an alligator would have looked pretty strange to knights that were on crusades out of England. Then take into account the fact that people like legends (just look at your buddies latest fish stories).
speaking of which I was doing a quick websearch on this and found this.
Gotta say purdy durn interesting.
Dunno if ancient American Indians had contact with Ancient Egyptians though.
Although I do remember hearing someplace that American mollusk shells have been found in Egyptian ruins
Could this be the origin of the dragon myths?
And not trying to get off onto a religeous debate but wouldnt this kinda do damage to the evolution theory?
Unless man and dinosaurs managed to walk the earth at the same time
How did cavemen and the ancients know what dinosaurs looked like?
Anyway you slice it and no matter which way you lean some interesting reading complete with photos
http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm (http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm)
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At least 60 genera of Pterosaurs have been found with sizes ranging from a sparrow to monsters with a wingspan in excess of 40 feet.
http://www.paleodirect.com/ptero1.htm
Eagl, Andean Condors have a wingspan of 10 feet. There is also an Albatross that is quite large. (Forget the wingspan atm though)
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Originally posted by OIO
the bumblebee is still a SMALL creature, very VERY light body and insects have proven to be able to lift several hundred times their own weight.
When you get to larger sizes your weight increases to the point where the muscles needed to lift you will end up weighing more than the limit... which is why birds have hollow bones and dont exceed a certain size (I think the condor is the biggest bird and its still pretty small).
Heck even the pterodactyl was only about 30 inches long.
A dragon if it existed as the tales say, would be elephant sized or bigger creatures... even with hollow bones they wouldnt be able to fly.
Actually they are suppost to have some kind of expert explain how it could have been biologically possible for these creatures to exist.
Should be an interesting show and at least amusing if nothing else.
Something to watch with the 8 year old that I wont mind watching for a change lol
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Originally posted by OIO
Heck even the pterodactyl was only about 30 inches long.
Discovered in 1971 this Pterosaur is
currently on display at the Texas Memorial Museum
Wing span about 40 feet
(http://www.tmm.utexas.edu/exhibits/pterosaur/images/pterosaur.jpg)
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There's one called a Quetzlcoatl that has a wingspan of 50 feet.
Btw, there's a bird that's around (around as in the Bigfoot sense) that has a wingspan of 20-30 feet. It's called the Thunderbird.
Also, birds and the like eat an incredible amount of energy. To sustain flight they need to eat all of the time and eat many times their body mass.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
There's one called a Quetzlcoatl that has a wingspan of 50 feet.
Btw, there's a bird that's around (around as in the Bigfoot sense) that has a wingspan of 20-30 feet. It's called the Thunderbird.
Also, birds and the like eat an incredible amount of energy. To sustain flight they need to eat all of the time and eat many times their body mass.
well that would explain why the villagers were all afraid of the dragons:)
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When I say Quetzlcoatl, I mean something as stereotypically Pterodactyl looking. It's been dead since the Dino's have been gone (with the obligatory few sightings since).
When I say Thunderbird, I mean a huge ****ing Eagle. MANY MANY sightings in the US and Mexico AS WELL AS video evidence of it. The only reason it's not a known animal to the scientific community is that in the video, there is not much to establish a scale.
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When I say Thunderbird, I mean a huge ****ing Eagle. MANY MANY sightings in the US and Mexico AS WELL AS video evidence of it. The only reason it's not a known animal to the scientific community is that in the video, there is not much to establish a scale.
Have any links?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
When I say Quetzlcoatl, I mean something as stereotypically Pterodactyl looking. It's been dead since the Dino's have been gone (with the obligatory few sightings since).
You may wanna check out this link
http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm (http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm)
(http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/graphic/julsrud2sm.jpg)
(http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/graphic/julsrud.jpg)
"In 1945 archeologist Waldemar Julsrud discovered clay figurines buried at the foot of El Toro Mountain on the outskirts of Acambaro, Mexico. Eventually over 33,000 ceramic figurines were found in the area and identified with the Pre-classical Chupicuaro Culture (800 BC to 200 AD). The authenticity of Julsrud’s find has been challenged because the huge collection included dinosaurs. In 1954 the Mexican government sent a team of archeologists to investigate. In 1955 Charles Hapgood, professor of Anthropology at UNH, conducted an elaborate investigation including extensive radiometric dating and thermoluminescent testing by the University of Pennsylvania. In 1990 an investigation was conducted by Neal Steedy, an archeologist who works with the Mexican government. Thus Julsrud’s work has survived numerous tests and the Mexican government has even imprisoned two men for selling these artifacts on the black market. Moreover, the dinosaurs are modeled in very agile, active poses, fitting well with the latest scientific evidence and lending credence to the artists having actually observed these creatures. Like the Ica Stones, some sauropod’s are depicted with a distinctive spinal frill. There was extinct ice-age horse remains, the skeleton of a woolly mammoth, and a number of ancient human skulls found at the same location as the ceramic artifacts, validating the antiquity of the site (Hapgood, Charles, 2000, p.82). Further evidence of the authenticity of Julsrud’s finds is the Iguanodon dinosaur figurine. In the 1940s and 1950s, the Iguanodon was completely unknown. No hoaxer could have known of the Iguanodon’s existence, much less made a model, for it wasn’t until 1978 or 1979 that skeletons of adult Iguanodons were found with nests and babies. "
Also, drawn by North American indians
(http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient3/graphic/nativelarge.jpg)
Outlined for detail
(http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/graphic/warrior.jpg)
Facinating to wonder how they knew what they looked like if they didnt live in the same time period
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I love stuff like this. If it wasn't for the fact that Cryptozoologists make no money at all, I would have been one.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I love stuff like this. If it wasn't for the fact that Cryptozoologists make no money at all, I would have been one.
So do I.
Thats why Im gonna watch the show:)
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length as in beak to tail, the wingspan (width)had to be that big to lift that load.
the point is, skeleton/muscle cant lift past certain weight. nothing bigger than a pony can fly on its own muscle power if i remember correctly. Glide perhaps, fly.. no.
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Originally posted by OIO
length as in beak to tail, the wingspan (width)had to be that big to lift that load.
the point is, skeleton/muscle cant lift past certain weight. nothing bigger than a pony can fly on its own muscle power if i remember correctly. Glide perhaps, fly.. no.
Hmmm.
wow maybe we should be looking into Pegasus too!:lol
Thing is there have already been animals larger then a pony that flew See the Pterosaur above
body length head to toe looks to be about half of the total wing length which would make it around ten feet.
Dont know if there are any 10 foot ponies lol
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Eh, not really Dred. Think of it as nothing more then the mass of a donkey can fly. Not size or length.
Pretty much (as far as we can tell), everything has applied to this rule so far.
Oh sorry Elfie, totally missed your post:
http://www.cryptozoology.com/gallery/display_picture.php?id=2209
http://www.cryptozoology.com/cryptids/thunderbird.php