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Updated: 02:58 PM EST
Police Handcuff, Arrest 5-Year-Old Girl
'I Don't Want to Go to Jail,' Says Young Student
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (March 18) - A 5-year-old girl was arrested, cuffed and put in back of a police cruiser after an outburst at school where she threw books and boxes, kicked a teacher in the shins, smashed a candy dish, hit an assistant principal in the stomach and drew on the walls.
The students were counting jelly beans as part of a math exercise at Fairmount Park Elementary School when the little girl began acting silly. That's when her teacher took away her jelly beans, outraging the child.
Minutes later, the 40-pound girl was in the back of a police cruiser, under arrest for battery. Her hands were bound with plastic ties, her ankles in handcuffs.
"I don't want to go to jail," she said moments after her arrest Monday.
No charges were filed and the girl went home with her mother.
While police say their actions were proper, school officials were not pleased with the outcome.
"We never want to have 5-year-old children arrested," said Michael Bessette, the district's Area III superintendent.
The district's campus police should have been called to help and not local police, he said.
Bessette said campus police routinely deal with children and are trained to calm them in such situations.
Under the district's code of student conduct, students are to be suspended for 10 days and recommended for expulsion for unprovoked attacks, even if they don't result in serious injury. But district spokesman Ron Stone said that rule wouldn't apply to kindergartners.
"She's been appropriately disciplined under the circumstances," he said.
The girl's mother, Inda Akins, said she is consulting an attorney.
"She's never going back to that school," Akins said. "They set my baby up."
03/18/05 13:45 EST
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they should allow the principals to have their fraternity paddles on the wall in their office like when I went to school.
1 paddling was all it took to get me to respect the other kids and my teachers.
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Teaching kids to respect others should be done by parents; not by teachers and definately not by a police forces...
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Originally posted by Bodhi
1 paddling was all it took to get me to respect the other kids and my teachers.
same here :)
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Stun guns for Teachers.....
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Originally posted by Staga
Teaching kids to respect others should be done by parents; not by teachers and definately not by a police forces...
Obviously the partents werent getting the job done.
Bet that kid doesnt have any such outbursts anymore.
Some emotional scarring is good
the part I cant beleive and fits into the "you have gotta be kidding is"
the mother claiming "they "set her baby up
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Originally posted by DieAz
The girl's mother, Inda Akins, said she is consulting an attorney.
"She's never going back to that school," Akins said. "They set my baby up."
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I hope if this ever goes infront of a judge somewhere they throw it out and tell the woman to get her kids in line. This is a perfect example of one of the biggest issues in this country, NOBODY is willing to accept responsibility. Its not her childs fault that she assaulted people its the schools fault, you see it everywhere, oh its not my fault im a fat **** who cant control what I eat, its the fast food industry so im gonna sue your ass. People in this country need to start stepping up to the plate and take the **** that comes as a result of their actions.
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I would speculate on the race of the brat, but I would be racist, and right.
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With a line like "they set my baby up", is there really any doubt?
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I would speculate on the race of the brat, but I would be racist, and right.
Always interesting how it works that way isnt it?
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Hmm ..
I see several people expressing the age old answer to disciplining a child. Spare the rod spoil the child.
I agree.
HOWEVER!
In several states you use that form of discipline you could find yourself going to jail.
You could find yourself with a crimminal record.
You could even find yourself minus your kids, but still financially responsible for them and anything they might do to someone else.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Obviously the partents werent getting the job done.
Bet that kid doesnt have any such outbursts anymore.
Some emotional scarring is good
the part I cant beleive and fits into the "you have gotta be kidding is"
the mother claiming "they "set her baby up
How very nice of you .... no
The school screwed up, the teacher screwed up ....
and the cops screwed up......
Pathetic ......
and they blame the child .... the education bueacracy is a joke .... your talking about a 5 year old..... OMG they throw temper tantrums .... and you ADULTS deal with it ... if it's a consistant proablem they have 'emotionaly disturbed' special classes for kids that can't hold thier temper....
My mother taught one of these classes, she got beat on by kids reagularly..... She would come home with bruises, but she always managed to contain the situation without arresting the kids..... kids that ranged in age to 5th grade(whatever age that is) alot older than 5.......
She's delt with it .... she never had to call the cops or have these much more violent students arrested .....
Pathetic ...... yes the 5 year old was setup, setup by a crapy education bueracracy, setup by Adults ......
I'd sue the school too ..... that Teacher shouldn't be teaching young children IMHO with an attitude like that ..... children throw tantrums .... it happens.... deal with it or teach highschool kids ... if one of them attacks you .. ya arrest them! .... but a 5 year old .. are you crazy?!?!, or never seen a 5 year old?
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Originally posted by wrag
Hmm ..
I see several people expressing the age old answer to disciplining a child. Spare the rod spoil the child.
I agree.
HOWEVER!
In several states you use that form of discipline you could find yourself going to jail.
You could find yourself with a crimminal record.
You could even find yourself minus your kids, but still financially responsible for them and anything they might do to someone else.
You mean you can end up in jail by NOT hitting your kids?
I hope thats what you ment cause thats what you just said
When you spare something you typically dont use it.
That being said I dont give a damn what the laws are in some states. Nobody will ever tell me how to raise MY kid.
They wanna come try to take them fine.
Bring body bags cause people are going down and widows will be a weeping
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Make her dig her own grave and then shoot her.
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Originally posted by Manedew
How very nice of you .... no
The school screwed up, the teacher screwed up ....
and the cops screwed up......
Pathetic ......
and they blame the child .... the education bueacracy is a joke .... your talking about a 5 year old..... OMG they throw temper tantrums .... and you ADULTS deal with it ... if it's a consistant proablem they have 'emotionaly disturbed' special classes for kids that can't hold thier temper....
My mother taught one of these classes, she got beat on by kids reagularly..... She would come home with bruises, but she always managed to contain the situation without arresting the kids..... kids that ranged in age to 5th grade(whatever age that is) alot older than 5.......
She's delt with it .... she never had to call the cops or have these much more violent students arrested .....
Pathetic ...... yes the 5 year old was setup, setup by a crapy education bueracracy, setup by Adults ......
I'd sue the school too ..... that Teacher shouldn't be teaching young children IMHO with an attitude like that ..... children throw tantrums .... it happens.... deal with it or teach highschool kids ... if one of them attacks you .. ya arrest them! .... but a 5 year old .. are you crazy?!?!, or never seen a 5 year old?
your forgetting who else screwed up..
the Child and the parents.
Its this bleeding heart attitude of not properly diciplining your kids that has juvinile crime at an all time high.
30, 40 + years ago kids would never dare do half the crap they do today cause they know they would get their hides tanned if they did.
Now its "the teachers fault" the cops Fault", "the systems fault"
Everybodies fault cept who did the deed.
and yes children throw tantrums.
Mine have and I've given them a swat for it. No I didnt beat them. I havent ever had to.
And any swat I've given them was no harder then a swat I have given them playing with them.
the only difference is instead of being playful Ive said "there now you have a reason to cry now knock it off"
But they know I wont tolerate it so they dont do it.
Old Family saying. "everyone need a well deserved pat on the back every once in a while its just a matter of a couple feet where"
With reguards to the kid. No charges were filed. And no teacher will ever have to worry about warning her more then once cause now she knows what may happen.
Like I said. some emotional scarring is good.
Kinda like the first time you grab onto a hot pot without checking first.
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Originally posted by Russian
Make her dig her own grave and then shoot her.
YEA!:aok
LMAO
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
your forgetting who else screwed up..
the Child and the parents.
Its this bleeding heart attitude of not properly diciplining your kids that has juvinile crime at an all time high.
30, 40 + years ago kids would never dare do half the crap they do today cause they know they would get their hides tanned if they did.
Now its "the teachers fault" the cops Fault", "the systems fault"
Everybodies fault cept who did the deed.
and yes children throw tantrums.
Mine have and I've given them a swat for it. No I didnt beat them. I havent ever had to.
And any swat I've given them was no harder then a swat I have given them playing with them.
the only difference is instead of being playful Ive said "there now you have a reason to cry now knock it off"
But they know I wont tolerate it so they dont do it.
Old Family saying. "everyone need a well deserved pat on the back every once in a while its just a matter of a couple feet where"
With reguards to the kid. No charges were filed. And no teacher will ever have to worry about warning her more then once cause now she knows what may happen.
Like I said. some emotional scarring is good.
Kinda like the first time you grab onto a hot pot without checking first.
Very well stated Dred, my post was along the same lines, you hit the nail on the head, Manedews post was def. pointing to the big problem in todays society. Growing up if I ever did something like this your right the teacher wouldnt call the cops but they would def. get the point across that I should stop. Now a days if the teacher did that they would be fired and the parent would be all over them, so they have to call the Cops because their hands are tied. Secondly if I ever did screw up in school and got punished there was no way in hell i was coming home and telling my folks, I would spend the next month hoping they never found out because if they did I would get punishment round 2 from them, and the teacher would probably get sent a card in appology for my actions.
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They should do that more often. Would be more peaceful classes for the other kids.
Maybe the parents would then pay more attention to raising their kid, when their 5-9 year old kid gets arrested by the cops for throwing objects etc. at the school.
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I meant if you use physical punishment such as the palm of your hand on the childs bottom.
The old school method, in some states, is now a NO-NO!
You can or will find yourself in some real trouble if you punish using physical discipline. CA is one of the worst!
The PROPER/politically correct way is now something like the super nanny program on TV.
And WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! From everything I've read and heard, from those that have reason to know, YOU do NOT want Child Protective Services involved in your life in any, way, shape, or form!
Word is the funding of CPS is directly related to how many children are in their care. The more children the more money for all.
Word is they will outright lie to you about your rights.
Word is they will seek enterance to your home and look for any and all things that might possibly be used against you. Cloths on the floor? Books on the floor? Anything that is even slightly out of order is grounds, and can be used, for taking your kids.
They will use the if you won't let me into your house? then you have something hide approach. Never mind that it's your home and you have the right to privacy.
They will bring police or deputy sheriffs and try to force their way in to your home illegally claiming they have the right. No warrent, no nothing, just claim they have the right.
If you don't believe me look it up. It's all out there.
The Foster Care system has some very interesting stuff happening in it now as well.
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are you trolling or do you really think a 5 year old needs to be sent a message by being arrested?
Let me ask you parents ....
Would you ever tie up your child hand and foot and lock them in a car because of a tantrum?
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oh and BTW ..... Trained teachers use restraining methods .... Physical but non-violent..... They didn't have one trained special-ed teacher in the building to restrain the child?
I imagine most of you could restrain a 5 year old without causeing her harm and without letting her kick you in the shin? (More than once or twice:rolleyes: )
I doubt any parent here would ever tie up thier child, or admit to it.... But I bet they've restrained them countless times.......think about that you dolts.....
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Wrag. oh I beleive you.
California is well known for its bleeding heart kooks. Just look at Hollywood.
Guess I wont be moving to Cali any time soon.
If I did I'd haveta suggest a bunch of people update their life insurance policies.
there are only a few things I'd be willing to fight, Kill and die for. My kids are one of them
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No Troll here. but
whatever works
And I didnt see anywhere where it said the child was harmed.
But I have seen kids freak out to the point where they should have been restrained by any means necessary including cuffs and I wouldnt have had a problem with it if they were.
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Originally posted by Manedew
How very nice of you .... no
The school screwed up, the teacher screwed up ....
and the cops screwed up......
Pathetic ......
and they blame the child .... the education bueacracy is a joke .... your talking about a 5 year old..... OMG they throw temper tantrums .... and you ADULTS deal with it ... if it's a consistant proablem they have 'emotionaly disturbed' special classes for kids that can't hold thier temper....
My mother taught one of these classes, she got beat on by kids reagularly..... She would come home with bruises, but she always managed to contain the situation without arresting the kids..... kids that ranged in age to 5th grade(whatever age that is) alot older than 5.......
She's delt with it .... she never had to call the cops or have these much more violent students arrested .....
Pathetic ...... yes the 5 year old was setup, setup by a crapy education bueracracy, setup by Adults ......
I'd sue the school too ..... that Teacher shouldn't be teaching young children IMHO with an attitude like that ..... children throw tantrums .... it happens.... deal with it or teach highschool kids ... if one of them attacks you .. ya arrest them! .... but a 5 year old .. are you crazy?!?!, or never seen a 5 year old?
Each of my 3 kids threw tantrums.... once
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"She's never going back to that school," Akins said. "They set my baby up."
OK as a parent of a 5 year old in kintergarden I have to admit that she has a temper.
But I would never blame this on the school
she threw books and boxes, kicked a teacher in the shins, smashed a candy dish, hit an assistant principal in the stomach and drew on the walls.
I would be mortified. I don't see how the school "set her up" to do all this stuff. Seriously, the parent has to take responsability for the actions of their child and not blame somone/somthing else.
During her suspension I would take time off of work to TEACH her how to write an appology letter. She would write one to everyone involvled in the incident.
this is after the bellybutton woopin of a lifetime of course.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
your forgetting who else screwed up..
the Child and the parents.
Its this bleeding heart attitude of not properly diciplining your kids that has juvinile crime at an all time high.
30, 40 + years ago kids would never dare do half the crap they do today cause they know they would get their hides tanned if they did.
Now its "the teachers fault" the cops Fault", "the systems fault"
Some 35 years ago I made the mistake of using the teacher's magnifying glass to light the classroom trashcan on fire while she was out of the room.
Teacher came back in - threw trashcan out door - gave me several swats with a paddle.
Took me to principal's office - more swats with bigger paddle.
Principal called parents, came and got me, took me home. Then the REAL punishment started.....
I never lit another trashcan on fire in a classroom after that - I'd somehow lost all desire to do those kind of things.....
Now, having been a public school teacher for the last 16+ years, I can look at my students and tell you which ones have some sort of discipline at home, and which ones do whatever the heck they want to and basically run the show. The 2nd group are the ones who have no respect for others, fail to do any assignments, are shocked to find out there are consequences for their actions, etc. They are also the ones who, when you do call their parents, the parents usually threaten to sue you for "mentally harrassing" their child, cuss you out, etc.
I often think that if we were to follow Singapore's example of public caning, a lot of the crap in the schools would quickly disappear.
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You guys are missing the big picture.
First its counting jelly beans, then the next logical step is counting crack rocks. Then when she's broke because she stopped working and kept buying, counting, and smoking rocks, she became enraged and killed several honest working white folks that were stellar members of society to get cash for her next big score. Then she would get arrested, go for a plea bargain, and get thrown into jail for a 5 to 10 year stint based on good behavior, get out, and do the same thing again.
So see, we saved society from this worthless drug addicted drain before it escalated to even more vicious crimes. And by society, I mean white people.
-SW
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lol!
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If my kid is stupid enough to do anything as they said this child did she deserves the same treatment. If they use the same amount of force I would have had to use to restrain her in the same situation I'm all for it. The key is not using excessive force.
For starters the child will definately think twice before doing something like this again. If the parent is incapable of seeing that their childs action were far out of line and that they obviously need to do more to keep their child in line then they shouldn't have the child in the first place.
The brat and her parents are lucky the district doesn't raise charges on the mother due to the childs destructive behaviour and endangerment of the other children. It's a typical case of mommy or daddy claiming their child is an angel and claiming that he/she requires no disciplining. "Set my baby up"? Gimme a freaking break. Kid fails to show any kind of discipline and goes on a rampage when her jelly beans are taken from her for acting out of line in class. It's the typical disrespectful children we see in todays society because the parents are to lazy to teach their kids respect and how to act accordingly.
You can't tell me that any child that throws a fit like this is the first time they've ever done such a thing and that her parents haven't seen it themselves.
And Mane that isn't a tantrum that is a destructive rampage. They are 2 completely different animals. If the parents were raising their children accordingly and disciplining their children like they should be when they get out of hand then it would have never happenend in the first place. The parents set the school up because they are incapable of raising their child to be civil. That's the typical excuse to blame it on everyone else instead of taking responsibility for your inability to keep your child in line. The parent has the ability to discipline their child in a situation like that whereas in school the faculty can't do much more than say no or stop and call the parents because of the very possible threat of legal actions against them for something that is ultimately the parents fault.
And yes I would restrain my child in a similiar manner if their actions are or could be harmful to others. If they can't understand the concept of keeping their hands and feet to themselves and to not try and hurt someone then they deserve it. Not every child that age are going on destructive rampages when they are disciplined so why is this child doing it? It all comes back to the parents.
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Bring back the Ass-Whipping!!! IT and the fear of it kept me out of any trouble both in school and in the years that followed!
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I would speculate on the race of the brat, but I would be racist, and right.
Exactly Funked, I was thinking the same thing- there's no way a white five year old would be treated in such a manner. Obviously this child is black.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Airhead
Exactly Funked, I was thinking the same thing- there's no way a white five year old would be treated in such a manner. Obviously this child is black.
:rolleyes:
Treated in such a manner? Or acting out in such a manner?
Either way, same diff. We're talking about a five year-old kid, with no insight whatsoever into anything else.
All we know is that she went berzerk.
How does the word "race" even get introduced here?
And why do I feel like I'm always getting only half the story?
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Originally posted by Manedew
are you trolling or do you really think a 5 year old needs to be sent a message by being arrested?
Let me ask you parents ....
Would you ever tie up your child hand and foot and lock them in a car because of a tantrum?
I've seen so many totally ***'d up kids, that I don't know what else would be a better message.
Some of the kids are simply mentally ill or something and might snap off at any moment.
Of the kids I've seen, I'm amazed they haven't managed to actually kill or seriously injure anyone.
In my opinion those kids are better when they're removed from the class, for the sake of the other kids (and the teachers!)
Teachers can't teach them anything, they'll be the accused ones if they even try to.
They just have to bare with them from day to day.
If it's just one time thing for the kid or something like that, then I don't see a reason for this.
But those who do it repeatedly, needs to be something done for, at least the other kids deserves a peaceful and unfearful enviroment.
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This child clearly has a serious addiction problem and should be sent to a Jelly Belly Rehab Center immediately.
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It's true though that this kid is probably a lost cause. At 5 years old kids know right from wrong and good from bad. They know actions have consequences.
To blame the school for this is absolutly ludacris it really is. This is a product of her home environment...not the schools.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
It's true though that this kid is probably a lost cause. At 5 years old kids know right from wrong and good from bad. They know actions have consequences.
if she didn't know they had consequences, she probably does now.
the mother owes the school and the cops a thank you. I wish everyone didn't think they had to cater to the feelings of whiny, unreasonable people.
just tell them the kid is none the worse for wear, and was given a useful warning (which the mother has negated by complaining about the schools actions, making the kid think she was right). someone should just tell the mother to STU and go home.
if the mother sues, the teacher who got kicked should sue the mother for raising the kid.
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my money is the "child" has an arrest record in less than 12 years...
and you are right, should start at home
should have cuffed the mother as well...
I am glad they removed the kid, I would not want my grand daughter to have to put up with that behavior
bet the other kids will think twice before having an outburst in that class :)
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Originally posted by Cobra412
For starters the child will definately think twice before doing something like this again.
This child won't. Mommy said it was okay by claiming setup & getting ready to sue the school.
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Feed the kid with lutefisk and her hunger and temper is permantly cured.
I know torture is not accpted in the "civilized" world but i dont live there either.
:o
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Originally posted by indy007
This child won't. Mommy said it was okay by claiming setup & getting ready to sue the school.
Yup, that's spot on. My daughter is very observant of her mom's behavior. If the parent opens her trap like this than the girl, even at 5 years old, feels justified in her behavior.
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Indy even if she doesn't oh well. She'll be in a juvenile detention center before long. If she's lucky she'd be taken away from her irresponsible mother before it gets that bad. One way or the other it will take one more juvenile delinquent off our streets.
People who abuse the courts system like this by screaming "setup" are no better than the people who play the race card when infact it's not about racism but about their inabilities to do the job. The more people try abuse the system the worse it will be for everyone else. The people who were really "setup" will pay the price.
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Originally posted by Cobra412
Indy even if she doesn't oh well. She'll be in a juvenile detention center before long. If she's lucky she'd be taken away from her irresponsible mother before it gets that bad. One way or the other it will take one more juvenile delinquent off our streets.
People who abuse the courts system like this by screaming "setup" are no better than the people who play the race card when infact it's not about racism but about their inabilities to do the job. The more people try abuse the system the worse it will be for everyone else. The people who were really "setup" will pay the price.
Oh, I whole-heartedly agree. I was just making an observation. Most of the kids I grew up with have turned out exactly like their parents, for better or for worse. It just makes me realise how lucky I am to have the parents I do.
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Here's your discipline in schools: If you don't stop you're going to the dean (or principal). They go down to the principal "here take this sheet stating your disciplinary problems and have your parents sign it.
The problem with this method is when kids start to get several of these per school year its not even a punishment but an inconvienience. I'm all for discipline in schools because i'm sick of wasting my time on some idiot who won't do what he's supposed to, rap him on the hand with a ruler or something.
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Hell i think it was a good idea.
Maybe it scared the little darling enogh to think twice about acting out again?
I went to a private boarding school in 9th and 10th grades and they had a system.
Dont make your bed or screw around in class you got a pink slip.
To work off a pink slip you had a choice of running 2 miles , cleaning out the horse stalls or taking to swats on the butt with what looked like a criket paddle.
It worked for me LOL
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Originally posted by Bodhi
1 paddling was all it took to get me to respect the other kids and my teachers.
You must have been easy.
The only thing a teacher that thumped me at school got back from me was resentment ,never respect.
Excel
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Originally posted by Excel1
You must have been easy.
The only thing a teacher that thumped me at school got back from me was resentment ,never respect.
Excel
You didn't get the one at home that always follows the one at school, hence the job wasnt finished. :D
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Originally posted by wombatt
It worked for me LOL
Quick, sue 'em, you do clearly have bad traumas from it :D
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Originally posted by 6GunUSMC
You didn't get the one at home that always follows the one at school, hence the job wasnt finished. :D
lol... but hey, my parents never had a problem with me being left handed, but one of my teachers sure did. She tried to cure me of the habbit with the sharp edge of a one yard wooden ruler across the knuckles of my left hand when ever she caught me writing with my left hand...and because I was a stubborn little bastige-that was often.
That old witch is long since dead and I'm still left handed:)
Excel
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Originally posted by Bodhi
they should allow the principals to have their fraternity paddles on the wall in their office like when I went to school.
1 paddling was all it took to get me to respect the other kids and my teachers.
Not me I am alittle hard headed. It took three times lol. But I finally figured it out.
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Originally posted by Excel1
lol... but hey, my parents never had a problem with me being left handed, but one of my teachers sure did. She tried to cure me of the habbit with the sharp edge of a one yard wooden ruler across the knuckles of my left hand when ever she caught me writing with my left hand...and because I was a stubborn little bastige-that was often.
That old witch is long since dead and I'm still left handed:)
Excel
wasn't a discipline problem, sounds like a nutty teacher
nothing wrong with the school swatting kids, the sting of a swat gave you something to think about before you skipped out and went to the beach, several swats gave you even more to ponder..
funny how alot of the difficulties with discipline in the school system started about the same time the "cruel" swats stopped..
then again same can be said at alot of homes, parents are to scared to discipline their kids, the want to be their friend more than they want to parent and/or they just don't have a clue
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Originally posted by Eagler
nothing wrong with the school swatting kids, the sting of a swat gave you something to think about before you skipped out and went to the beach, several swats gave you even more to ponder..
Yes there is. it's called assault- and if any of my daughter's instructors had EVER put their hands on my child I'd have filed assault charges against them so quick their heads would spin.
Give them detention, make them police the football field, stand in a corner or even expel them for bad behavior- but teachers DO NOT have the right to issue corpral punishment.
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the girls were not swatted, just the boys - the girls were given detention
the dean of boys, Mr Westler, paddled you and his swing, one handed paddle with holes drilled in it, was accurate and swift - it didn't totally deter our bad behavior, but it did slow it down & thus reduce it
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Mr. Westler sounds like my High School coaches- same paddle, same one handed swing even- it was a semi-voluntary punishment, and yes, never administered to the girls.
But what happens if some kid decides to fight instead of submitting to a swat? Does school staff have the right to subdue him before administering "punishment?"
Or do they call the cops and have them arrested? :)
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LOL
We had a coach that had a wicked swing.
He had a tennis shoe sole tacked to his paddle.
Bend over, grab the edge of the desk, WHAM. Your feet would be airborn. :D
I took my share of flights. :lol
He was also one of the best teachers we had. 1st year in high school he pulled me out of an algebra nightmare in less than 2 weeks.
On the other hand, we had a high school superintnedent that should have been lynched. The guy hated me, my motorcycle, and my hair. When he would get the urge for a little Jackal punishment with the ole paddle I would tell him to go screw hisself and take the days instead.I had absolutely no respect for the guy.
He was coach for the girls high school basketball team with an excellent game record. One of his favorite past times were getting the teenage girls who had been injured in sports into the whirlpool for a little feely/grabby session. This was pretty well known, but was overlooked by most due to his girls basketball team win record. It always amazed me that this was let go as far as it did over a friggen game.
After years and years of this he was finaly run through the wringer.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
LOL
We had a coach that had a wicked swing.
He was coach for the girls high school basketball team with an excellent game record. One of his favorite past times were getting the teenage girls who had been injured in sports into the whirlpool for a little feely/grabby session. This was pretty well known, but was overlooked by most due to his girls basketball team win record. It always amazed me that this was let go as far as it did over a friggen game.
After years and years of this he was finaly run through the wringer.
Yup...beat the boys and fondle the girls.... I miss High School. (sigh)
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I don't believe that some of you are condoning the actions of the police and of the school.
For christ sake, the kid was 5 and having a tantrum, all kids do, even those that were beaten, hit, smacked, paddled and or caned. Although for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would want to physically beat a child and a 5 year old one at that ?
If a school or teacher can't maintain discipline with a 5 year old then they have serious problems !
Most of you Americans are freakin nuts !
wipass
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Originally posted by wipass
If a school or teacher can't maintain discipline with a 5 year old then they have serious problems !
Haha, I've seen teachers afraid of 7 year olds fightning each other. Almost anyone would been without a riot gear, with all the stuff flying back and forth. One of the objects went through ~7mm thick plywood layer of a door, which wasn't made of the cheapest available plywood. It'd been messy had anyone been caught in the way.
Apparently you haven't seen the total nutcases yet.
Some kids can't be just simply grabbed.
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not just a tantrum. the kid kicked her teacher. if you see attacking a teacher as just acting up, how far does the kid have to go for it to be 'a big deal'. do we call it serious after she hits her mother? or do we wait to make our point until she starts to show a pattern of using weapons?
none of my kids ever hit an adult during a tantrum (they have however been shown how even someone their size can do serious damage to an adult and when that would be OK). I'm sure the thought or urge to hit the wife or me never entered their minds?
I damn sure ain't signing off on letting some public servant decide when my child need hit. I'd deal with that just like I would anyone who attacked my family. let them feel the other end of 'corporal punishment'.
I've was never 'swatted' or hit by teachers. it wouldn't likely have changed anything if they had since I doubt any of them would have even come close to what was waiting at home if they just called the old man and told him I was screwing up.
they didn't do 'swats' in Oregon while I was in elementary school.
they did do that occasionally when I went to HS in the mid-west. it only came up for me once during my senior year. they had some policy about clearing up punishments at each semester and didn't have time to do the in-school suspension. so they tell me I could either take the swats or not get my credits for the semester because of unresolved discipline issues.
since I needed the credits I told them that I'd take the swats if I had to but that I'd just like to take a moment to apologize for anything that may happen in the time between him hitting me and me getting my temper back under control. he never told me what he decided. I ended up not getting hit, went back to class and never heard anything about it again.
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Originally posted by wipass
Most of you Americans are freakin nuts !
wipass
Yes we are. and that is exactly the reason none of you will ever conquor us:D
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If a school or teacher can't maintain discipline with a 5 year old then they have serious problems !
Most of you Americans are freakin nuts !
wipass [/B]
Heehee. If they can then they are a freakin genius.
Oh......and yes we are. Thank you. :D
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Originally posted by Eagler
wasn't a discipline problem, sounds like a nutty teacher
nothing wrong with the school swatting kids, the sting of a swat gave you something to think about before you skipped out and went to the beach, several swats gave you even more to ponder..
funny how alot of the difficulties with discipline in the school system started about the same time the "cruel" swats stopped..
then again same can be said at alot of homes, parents are to scared to discipline their kids, the want to be their friend more than they want to parent and/or they just don't have a clue
It was a catholic school in the 1960s. Many of the teachers were nutty in some way, and by todays standards some of them were just plain sadistic. But back then,at that school , a teacher hitting a seven year old kid because he refused to obey his teachers instructions to not write lefthanded (or 101 other things) was only being disciplined. The school condoned that kind of punishment, so she was not considered to be abnormal or nutty. In fact, she was not the worst teacher I had at that school she just stood out more than some because she wanted too rid the world of lefties.
I'm of the opinion that teachers should just teach and the dsciplining of kids should soley be the parents domain.
Excel
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Originally posted by Russian
Make her dig her own grave and then shoot her.
Twice