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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: indy007 on March 19, 2005, 08:48:17 AM
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Link (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/03/19/pakistan.missile.reut.reut/)
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (Reuters) - Pakistan on Saturday successfully test-fired a long-range, nuclear-capable ballistic missile, the latest in a series of such tests in one of the world's flash points.
"Today, we carried out a successful test-firing of the indigenously developed Shaheen II missile," a military official stated.
He said the missile could travel up to 2,000 km (1,200 miles) and carry all kinds of warheads.
A military statement said Pakistan had informed neighboring countries beforehand about the test -- a practice also observed by rival India, which regularly tests its own nuclear-capable missiles.
"The test was carried out to verify some of the refined parameters," a military statement said.
Nuclear-armed rivals Pakistan and India, which have fought three wars since their independence from British rule in 1947 and went to the brink of a fourth in 2002, regularly carry out missile tests despite warming relations in recent months.
Experts say India and Pakistan are thought to each have several dozen nuclear warheads that can be mounted on short- medium-and long-range missiles.
..well, at least if they annihilate each other in a nuclear firestorm that doesn't envelop the rest of the planet, maybe we'll get our tech jobs back.
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they can take our tech jobs,
but they can never ever ever beat us in comedy.
they just arent that funny of a people.
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Even if they only tossed a few nukes on eachother it would be a disaster for the rest of the world.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Even if they only tossed a few nukes on eachother it would be a disaster for the rest of the world.
It's not if, it's when.
Those of you who favor nuclear proliferation for the smaller countries and can't see why the shouldn't have them are merely favoring sooner over later.
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Anyone here support proliferation Toad?
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yeah, lots of idiots on this board hove postulated that since the evil terrorist state USA has nukes then those poor little iranians and north koreans need nukes to defend themselves.
Lots of idiots.
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Wrong.
Lots of people think small states shouldn't have nukes but then if the big players like US and Russia etc got rid of theirs completely they'd have a better case to make to these smaller "rogue" states. Thats not supporting nuclear proliferation its called leading by example!
Hypocracy stinks and its hypocracy to hold onto nukes whilst telling others they can't have them.
I for one am anti nukes and anti hypocracy.
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spot on Skydancer
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Hypocracy stinks and its hypocracy to hold onto nukes whilst telling others they can't have them.
I suppose it would be better for the US to totally get rid of ours and expect places like NK to do the same.
Since the NK's have been so totally honest about their entire nuke program and all.
Then, you'd have a nuke free plant... except for possibly a few well-intentioned states with great records on freedom like...NK.
Sometimes I wonder.
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hypocracy thy name is zulu/skydancer..
You sure felt good about the mean ol USA holding those nutcase russians at bay with nukes during the cold war tho eh? If somebody has to have nukes to keep the bad guys in check... who would you suggest? some tiny little island that could be wiped out in about 15 minutes?
lazs
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If India and Pakistan expended their whole nuke aresenals against each other, it would not be the end of the world. Russia tested more than both combined, as did the US.
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Well for a sissy like you Lazs, it would take 20 or 30 minutes.
Les
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Originally posted by Leslie
Well for a sissy like you Lazs, it would take 20 or 30 minutes.
Les
OUCH! Them be fighting words!!! And I give him 20:p
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Originally posted by Toad
It's not if, it's when.
Those of you who favor nuclear proliferation for the smaller countries and can't see why the shouldn't have them are merely favoring sooner over later.
Toad, I believe you said we should arm Taiwan with some untraceable nukes in another thread...it seems to me then, you are a part of the "those".
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I'll make fun of Lazs any time I want to SuperDud. Remember that.:D
Les
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Originally posted by lazs2
You sure felt good about the mean ol USA holding those nutcase russians at bay with nukes during the cold war tho eh?
"Nutcase Russians" only wanted to be left alone.
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Originally posted by Leslie
I'll make fun of Lazs any time I want to SuperDud. Remember that.:D
Les
No problems with that here. Normally it's him picking on others. He needs a little taste of his own Medicine! :D
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Originally posted by Boroda
"Nutcase Russians" only wanted to be left alone.
Yes... left alone to hatch evil plans!!@!@#@!@ We can't allow it!!! :p :D
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Originally posted by Boroda
"Nutcase Russians" only wanted to be left alone.
Yeah, they just wanted to keep countries like East Germany and others hostage, and to be left in peace.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Yeah, they just wanted to keep countries like East Germany and others hostage, and to be left in peace.
Kept your B-52s far enough from our cities you planned to burn. A reason good enough IMHO.
Just curious, how many times your country was invaded? And how many times Russia/USSR was?... :rolleyes:
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"Well for a sissy like you Lazs, it would take 20 or 30 minutes.
Les"
someone named "leslie" is calling me a sissy? and...
if it takes 15 minutes for a country to whip some tiny little island and I hold out for 20... or even if it took a nuke power 15 minutes to whoop the little pissant of an island and it took me 20 or 30 with my bare hands... still ain't too bad in my book.
lazs
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Come on guys stop hatin... Stop hatin, start participating! HAHAHA any of you guys/girls seen BeCool yet? It's funny:D
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Wrong.
Lots of people think small states shouldn't have nukes but then if the big players like US and Russia etc got rid of theirs completely they'd have a better case to make to these smaller "rogue" states. Thats not supporting nuclear proliferation its called leading by example!
Hypocracy stinks and its hypocracy to hold onto nukes whilst telling others they can't have them.
I for one am anti nukes and anti hypocracy.
Yes that's the answer....not less nukes in the world but MORE....and not only MORE but MORE countries to have them.
That's exactly what this world needs. Instead of a handfull of countrys who hold them at bay we need a bunch of lttle countries to use them to help rattle their sabers.
Yup that's the answer....not less nukes in the world but more.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Yeah, they just wanted to keep countries like East Germany and others hostage, and to be left in peace.
Nuke, you really have scewed inprint of historical events inside your scull.
Comrade Stalin and the Soviet leadership during his years and afterwards (including the Best German of the Year Mickie Gorby) always knew that the united Germany is a perfect Troyan horse inside the big Western camp, and especially inside the European barracks. So, all efforts of the Soviet leadership after the WWII were put into the plan of the unified Germany. And the plan worked.
If you still don't get it, you are no better in politics than the majority of the American presidents.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Yes... left alone to hatch evil plans!!@!@#@!@ We can't allow it!!! :p :D
Dude, Russia has all imaginable natural resourses in the world except for banana trees.
Do you still believe thousand-years'-old propaganda that the Russians are evil ?
It is the historical fact that the rest of the world wants to grab those resourses for itself, but can't do it. King of the kings Darius, kagan of Khasaria, Chinghiskhan (Mongol-Tatar Yoke), Teutonic knights, the Polish invasions (Time of Turmoil), Napoleon's invasion (Invasion of a Hundred Tongues), German invasion during WW II swiftly followed by the Polish-Romanian-
French-British- USA-Japanese "expeditions", Hitler's invasion. All these attempts failed sooner or later.
Do you know any other country in the world which was attacked, invaded, raped, burned, covered with rivers of its inhabitants' blood, but still survived ?
And you still keep up the glorious work of supporting anti-Russian propaganda ?
Wake up, honey ! It's about time you at least open one of your eyes.
:mad:
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Poor little Russians , Genauzor your post made me cry ,so much innocence in one country I'm ashamed Napoléon invaded your poor little and innocent country.
You think we are stupid enought to believe your post ?
What is the point in making troll post like this ?
All the ressource Russian have currently have been robbed ,like all countries in the world.
A return to the 1500 border will make you cry little boy.
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Originally posted by genozaur
Dude, Russia has all imaginable natural resourses in the world except for banana trees.
And look at what they've done with it all.
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Originally posted by genozaur
Do you still believe thousand-years'-old propaganda that the Russians are evil ?
And you still keep up the glorious work of supporting anti-Russian propaganda ?
Wake up, honey ! It's about time you at least open one of your eyes.
:mad:
HAHAHAH I was kidding. Note the :p :D faces after the text! It would take a small mind for someone to actually type what I typed and mean it. Me thinks you're just looking for a argument for arguments sake:p :D
PS:U called me honey hehehhe:cool:
PSS: I bet somewhere in Russia there's a bananna tree!
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Originally posted by straffo
Poor little Russians , Genauzor your post made me cry ,so much innocence in one country I'm ashamed Napoléon invaded your poor little and innocent country.
You think we are stupid enought to believe your post ?
What is the point in making troll post like this ?
Well, should we pay for occupation of France and Belgium? Especially Belgium :D
You definetly must be ashamed of invading Russia in 1812. As usual - Russians ruined another dream of world domination, liberated Europe and retreated. We got used to it, done it several times, it's funny but still a little expensive. I'll prefer to see you killing each other in death camps as long as you don't touch us. JFYI: Russian military doctrine is based upon a pre-emptive nuclear strike against any aggressor. No more "occupation" and "enslavement" of "freedom-loving nations", saving them from death camps only to find them spitting in our face 50 years later. Just one big badabum.
Originally posted by straffo
All the ressource Russian have currently have been robbed ,like all countries in the world.
Robbed?! Did we rob African countries? Did we rob Indochina? Sorry, USSR discovered huge resources in Siberia, populated by Russians, Tatars and other nations, that we didn't simply slaughter like the Land of Free did to native Americans. We can co-exist with Moslims, Pagans, Buddists, only "civilized countries" can't co-exist with us and other barbarians like us. Maybe problem is not in our house?...
Gonna support Siberian Tatar state? In this case I start propaganda in favour of Antarctic Liberation Front! :D
Originally posted by straffo
A return to the 1500 border will make you cry little boy.
Looks like you need to get back to the borders of, say, 900AD? :D
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Originally posted by NUKE
And look at what they've done with it all.
Please, open my eyes. You are welcome! ;)
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Me thinks you're just looking for a argument for arguments sake:p :D
I don't know about Genozaur - but I definetly do what you said. If you need to find Truth - you'd better join some philosophical discussion club to drink tea on Saturdays. Or simply sit in the kitchen with Russians on Friday nights, if you can survive such excercises ;)
My purpose here is to make people think, or, at least - feel.
Originally posted by SuperDud
PSS: I bet somewhere in Russia there's a bananna tree!
I have seen a banana tree over Arctic Circle in Kirovsk, Murmansk region. I doubt there is a banana tree anywhere to the North of that place ;)
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Eskimo...
you MUST photoshop a "Bolshevik Bob" picture for the good of this bulletin board...
Its gotta be done, i would but dont have the time.
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Originally posted by oboe
Toad, I believe you said we should arm Taiwan with some untraceable nukes in another thread...it seems to me then, you are a part of the "those".
Yep, I'm joining the Europeans in the "Nukes for EVERYONE! All nations are equal!" campaign.
I'm sure it'll make the world a much safer place.
[/sarcasm]
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Originally posted by Boroda
No more "occupation" and "enslavement" of "freedom-loving nations", saving them from death camps only to find them spitting in our face 50 years later. " can't co-exist with us and other barbarians like us. Maybe problem is not in our house?...
Do you PROMISE? Oh.. wait... we know what a Stalinist promise is worth, don't we.
OK, it was a bad question.
Anyway, isn't just amazing how NONE of the countries you occupied were sad to see you leave?
Isn't it AMAZING how former Republics of the USSR can't wait to get away from Mother Russia?
Wonder why that is? I'm sure you do... we don't, but I'm sure YOU do.
:rofl
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Russia is a beutiful country with a great potential in resources and people. But the masses of russian people in history act as if they were dogs - all too happy as mindless slaves and followers of strong handed masters, be they foreign or domestic.
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Originally posted by Furball
Eskimo...
you MUST photoshop a "Bolshevik Bob" picture for the good of this bulletin board...
Its gotta be done, i would but dont have the time.
I'm no Eskimo....this is the best I could do
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/210_1111363879_commiebob.jpg)
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:lol
Good one Gunslinger.
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Originally posted by Toad
Do you PROMISE? Oh.. wait... we know what a Stalinist promise is worth, don't we.
OK, it was a bad question..
Hmm. Any promise broken by "Eeeevil Soviets"? I have a good list prepared for you to show that US of A never worries to keep any promise. You are simply different.
Originally posted by Toad
Anyway, isn't just amazing how NONE of the countries you occupied were sad to see you leave?
Hmm. Occupied? What do you mean by "country"? The people or "national elite"?
Originally posted by Toad
Isn't it AMAZING how former Republics of the USSR can't wait to get away from Mother Russia?
Get away?! Strange. Why people with degrees in science from former Soviet Republics sneak into Russia to get a job of a janitor or truck-driver? Strange, aren't they? Getting away from Russian "occupants" at the same time illegally immigrating into Russia to get a payed job? :confused:
Toad, we withdrew from the countries where we had our military presence, including Vietnam (and Vietnamese aren't happy about it, I hope you understand why).
You still occupy Western Europe. NATO aggressors move towards our borders. Leningrad (SPb) is within 15 minutes of flight for NATO tactical aviation now. I asked why you need it - you didn't give me an answer for 2 years now.
During the last year American military planes violated Russian airspace more then 100 times - even more then during the cold war! Can you tell me why? Playing Doves of Peace?!
Your country started a criminal aggression against Yugoslavia, in fact - supporting international Moslim terrorists and drug-dealers. You invaded independant Iraq and still occupy it.
I am proud to say that I am Russian everywhere. Noone will hate me. OTOH some people even on this board are ashamed and afraid to say that they are Americans. It's really sad. I feel strange when I talk to Americans in bars in Msk who deny that they are from the US and insist that they are South Africans or New Zelanders (and I don't talk about political issues with people in bars). Damn, more ZA or NZ people here then US! And it's in Russia, where people are traditionally kind to foreigners! (if they don't penetrate our airspace in U-2s or RC-135s).
We need one thing from you: leave us alone. Mind your own business please.
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Originally posted by Boroda
I don't know about Genozaur - but I definetly do what you said. If you need to find Truth - you'd better join some philosophical discussion club to drink tea on Saturdays. Or simply sit in the kitchen with Russians on Friday nights, if you can survive such excercises ;)
My purpose here is to make people think, or, at least - feel.
I have seen a banana tree over Arctic Circle in Kirovsk, Murmansk region. I doubt there is a banana tree anywhere to the North of that place ;)
Lightin up...GHEEEESH
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Russia is a beutiful country with a great potential in resources and people. But the masses of russian people in history act as if they were dogs - all too happy as mindless slaves and followers of strong handed masters, be they foreign or domestic.
Hmm. About foreign masters - you definetly meant "croatia" during WWII supporting Hitler?
Please enlighten me about "foreign masters" of Russian people :D Maybe you meant Romanov dynasty, that became 100% German since late-XVIII century?
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Originally posted by Boroda
Hmm. About foreign masters - you definetly meant "croatia" during WWII supporting Hitler?
I have no love for the Ustasha bastiges, then or now - they gave half our country to the Italians and commited barbaric acts that needlessly killed so many that will shame our people for centuries.
But you seem to love those who shamed your nation, and you make excuses for them.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But you seem to love those who shamed your nation, and you make excuses for them.
Excuses?! Did I tell you a story of my family? Oh, you don't read what I post anyway...
I love people who saved my Nation from being wiped out together with dozens of other nations, like my Grandfathers, Grand-Uncles and Father.
I love my country. I don't like the regime.
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Originally posted by Boroda
I don't like the regime.
You have a poor way of showing us this dislike you have for russian communism...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You have a poor way of showing us this dislike you have for russian communism...
We have "communism" now? Did I miss something again?
I don't care about "communism" or "capitalism" - I see that last 20 years I don't like the regime. Their goal in last 20 years is to get rid of me and let me disappear. Corresponds with mr. Brzezinsky's theory that Russian population must be reduced to 30-50 million, to maintain pipelines and oil wells for food.
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Originally posted by Boroda
We have "communism" now? Did I miss something again?
I don't care about "communism" or "capitalism" - I see that last 20 years I don't like the regime. Their goal in last 20 years is to get rid of me and let me disappear. Corresponds with mr. Brzezinsky's theory that Russian population must be reduced to 30-50 million, to maintain pipelines and oil wells for food.
Dont play dumb. Even your staement here only betrays you disaproval of russia's move away from hardline old fashined russian communist tyrany. And as we all know that began with Gorbachev just about 20 years ago...
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Originally posted by lazs2
"Well for a sissy like you Lazs, it would take 20 or 30 minutes.
Les"
someone named "leslie" is calling me a sissy? and...
if it takes 15 minutes for a country to whip some tiny little island and I hold out for 20... or even if it took a nuke power 15 minutes to whoop the little pissant of an island and it took me 20 or 30 with my bare hands... still ain't too bad in my book.
lazs
You're not a sissy. Was said in a friendly way, but you're right Lazs and I can't fault you.
Dunno what else to say. I feel like a fool.
Les
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boroda you need to get rid of that puten guy. He is bad bad news for people in russia. You folks need to step up to the plate and grab your own balls for a change! Your people have done tremendous things in the past century. Its amazing your still such a hobbled decadent poor society.
And to those that think the US should rid itself of its defensive nuclear capability at the expense of north korea and iran, your nuts and dont deserve a chair at the smart table.
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Well, should we pay for occupation of France and Belgium? Especially Belgium :D
I don't know for Belgium but I know that in WWII the German were compared with the Russian occupants and the conclusion was not in favor of the Russian.
Conclude what you want.
You definetly must be ashamed of invading Russia in 1812. As usual - Russians ruined another dream of world domination, liberated Europe and retreated.
My god Boroda :D you're pushing a bit to far :D
If the Romanov were democrats I'm the next queen of England :p
Shall I remember the 3 year occupation ?
We got used to it, done it several times, it's funny but still a little expensive.
Funny ? :lol
Robbed?! Did we rob African countries? Did we rob Indochina? Sorry, USSR discovered huge resources in Siberia, populated by Russians, Tatars and other nations,
You said it : other nation.
They didn't joined the Empire or the Union freely
That's why I used the word "Robbed".
A french example would be the Alsace-Lorraine ,do you see more clearly my position ?
Looks like you need to get back to the borders of, say, 900AD? :D
Well it's almost our actual continental borders :)
You would have better say : the Hugues Capet Borders.
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Originally posted by Yeager
And to those that think the US should rid itself of its defensive nuclear capability at the expense of north korea and iran, your nuts and dont deserve a chair at the smart table.
And you do?? :lol
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Originally posted by Yeager
yeah, lots of idiots on this board hove postulated that since the evil terrorist state USA has nukes then those poor little iranians and north koreans need nukes to defend themselves.
So recognising why smaller countries might conceivably feel they need nukes equals advocating proliferation? Yeah ok homer. :rolleyes:
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As far asI can see, advocating that everyone with nukes gets rid of them in order to lead by example is far from advocating nuclear proliferation.
Otherwise it's "you can't have WMD mr Korea, Iraq, Pakistan etc, but WE can and so can our freinds, Israel, GB, France etc" Do you guys see how arrogent and what a bunch of hypocrytes you sound! I wouldn't bloody listen if I was them. But I might if it was "You don't need WMD because we don't have them and come and have a look if you don't quite believe us! Now lets talk about helping to boost your economy and improve living standards for your people" They Might sirt up and take notice then might they not.
And if not,
Those players like USA , France, GB Russia etc. Should give up nukes along with everyone else. They have a vast tech superioty in weaponry over countries like NK and PK and India etc who have nukes. If those countries don't follow our example threaten them with superior conventional weaponry if they are that dangerous. I bet even the Chinese wopuld be happier if that whole region had no nukes.
Now as for Lazs Comment about us feeling safe during the cold war because of the US nukes stationed here. We didn't feel safe we felt like we'd been made a target. And many many people wanted the bloody things off our little Island.
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skydancer... the bad guys shouldn't be allowed to have em.
boroda... which russian political regiem in the last 10 centuries or so do you like? I have no problem with russian people on an individual basis but they sure do have lousy political systems... about as bad as any I have seen... unless you are going to tell me that stalin didn't really kill all those people or that he only killed a10-20 million of his own people who were bad guys or you are going to tell me that the russian army was beloved by all.
how mamy captured german soldiers were ever returned to their country? In the USA we had to allmost force german POW's to leave. In your country during the peak of your power you had to wall people in... No Americans had to be guarded when in russia so that they wouldn't run off and seek russian sanctuary.
I am not ashamed to tell people I am an American... this during the peak of our power ... you claim to not be ashamed to be a russian... and why not? people are relieved... they know that you are relatively harmless these days... at the peak of your power you were universaly hated and/or feared as a political power. When the soviet union collapsed... countries couldn't declare independance fast enough.
lazs
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Originally posted by Boroda
"Nutcase Russians" only wanted to be left alone.
so did eastern europeans.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I'm no Eskimo....this is the best I could do
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/210_1111363879_commiebob.jpg)
Rofl good job!
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i just had a quick go :D
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1111431096_boroda.jpg)