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Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' Becomes Best-Seller In Turkey
POSTED: 12:13 pm PST March 18, 2005
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- Is it just curiosity -- or a sign of growing anti-Semitism and anti-American sentiment in Turkey?
Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" has suddenly become a best seller in Turkey, following the release of two cheap paperback versions.
The books were printed without permission from Bavaria, which holds the book's copyright. Bavaria's finance minister said it shouldn't have been reprinted.
Some analysts said many Turks are angry over violence between Israelis and Palestinians, along with U.S. policy in neighboring Iraq. But others chalk up the sales to a cheap price.
One student who bought a copy said he became intrigued after seeing it on TV and becoming curious about Hitler's life.
source (http://www.thekcrachannel.com/news/4299049/detail.html)
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I have a copy, does that make me an anti-semite?
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no, i don't think so. i read it in college.
not one for censorship either of myself or others. better to know than not...
but, i did find it odd and somewhat disturbing to see it on the best seller list.
they really need to work on promoting some turkish writers i guess.
:cool:
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I've intended to read this book as well as Che's for years but have never gotten around to either of them. Were either of these to make any recent bestseller lists, I'd wonder what was going on.
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In grade 6 or 7, this book got passed around our circle of friends. Someone made the discovery that this book was available in the public library, and we all knew it was bad.... illicit.... contraband... though we hardly knew why. None of us actually read it; it was enough just to posess it.
I don't think the Turks would make good Nazi's. From what I understand, it takes a certain amount of discipline to be a Nazi. The Germans excelled at it because, well, they're a very disciplined people. I think the Turks play a little too fast and loose with the rules to be good Nazis.
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I've always wanted to read that book. Nevr gotten around to it tho, but maybe ill pick it up at the library on monday.
Me.. the infidel has even read the bible and the norwegian law book. :)
Mao's little red book and marx is also on top of my "have to read some day" list.
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It was a hit in East Jerusalem And PA Territories (1999), maybe still is.
Read the foreword by the translator
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP4899
October 1, 1999 No.48
Hitler's Mein Kampf In East Jerusalem And PA Territories.
An Arabic translation of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf is being distributed by Al-Shurouq, a Ramallah based book distributor, to East Jerusalem and territories controlled by the PA. According to Agence France Presse (Sept. 8), the book, previously banned by Israel, has been allowed by the PA and is 6th on the Palestinian best-seller list. Bisan publishers in Lebanon first published this edition in 1963 and again in 1995. The book costs about $10. The cover, presented below, shows a picture of Hitler, a swastika, and the title in both German and Arabic. The translator, Luis Al-Haj, wrote the following introduction:
"Adolf Hitler was not an ordinary man to be [forgotten] by the wheels of time... Adolf Hitler does not belong to the German people alone, he is one of the few great men who almost stopped the motion of history, altered its course, and changed the face of the world. Hence, he belongs to history."
Mein Kampf Cover"Hitler the soldier left behind not only a legend stained by tragedy itself; the tragedy of a state whose dreams were shattered, a regime whose pillars were torn down, and a political party that was crushed. Hitler was a man of ideology who bequeathed an ideological heritage whose decay is inconceivable. This ideological heritage includes politics, society, science, culture, and war as science and culture."
"The National Socialism that Hitler preached for and whose characteristics were presented in his book My Struggle, and whose principles he explained in his speeches before he took power, as well as during the 13 years he spent at the head of the German nation - this National Socialism did not die with the death of its herald. Rather, its seeds multiplied under each star…"
"…We cannot really understand the efforts of this man without examining the principles enclosed in his book My Struggle that the Nazis turned into the "Gospel of National Socialism."
"This translation of the book My Struggle has never been presented to Arab speakers. It is taken from the original text of the author, Adolf Hitler. The text was untouched by the censor. We made a point to deliver Hitler's opinions and theories on nationalism, regimes, and ethnicity without any changes because they are not yet outmoded and because we, in the Arab world, still proceed haphazardly in all three fields."
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"Mien Kampf is so full of chit." said the liberal
"So is Fahrenheit-9/11." said the conservative
"No it's not. Have you even seen it?" replied the liberal
"No." replied the conservative
"Thought so!" gleefully shot back the liberal
"Have you read Mien Kampf?" said the conservative
"No." said the liberal
"See...?" gleefully shot back the conservative
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Read the communist manifesto for grade 7 Civics class. My friends and I were too immature at that age to take it seriously. I mean we read it and did ok on the tests, but we also started messing with the teacher (who deserved it somewhat, he messed with some of us) by wearing red armbands and making commie flags to put up in class. He saw it for what it was, prankish and immature, but our reading the manifesto made his life harder than it needed to be after that for the next three years.
I've read about the first half of Mein Kampf in history class in college. Anything after that is redundant and starts getting more and more wordy and hard to follow.
I can't imagine anyone reading that book unless they had to. But if you haven't read it, you should read the first part (about 200 or so pages.) Most of what Hitler has to say is found in the first 200-300 pages.
I wouldn't be so hasty to think the Turks are up to no good by reading Mein Kampf. If they have to read the entire book though, something may definitely be afoot, because the book is that poorly written. It is torturous to finish reading it all.
Maybe it's discipline training if that's the case.
Les
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
"Mien Kampf is so full of chit." said the liberal
"So is Fahrenheit-9/11." said the conservative
"No it's not. Have you even seen it?" replied the liberal
"No." replied the conservative
"Thought so!" gleefully shot back the liberal
"Have you read Mien Kampf?" said the conservative
"No." said the liberal
"See...?" gleefully shot back the conservative
i have experienced both.
both were somewhat torturous.
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Hitler Rambles.
Read it when I stumbled across it in college it in a friends library.
Read Hitler's Vienna:A Dictators Apprenticeship, Or any other Biography of him, I read this book recently last winter, It kind of put Mien Kampf in perspective.
It made me think very deeply of people I know, Not Nazily (new word?) speaking, but Attitude and personality wise. From what I have read about him, his anti-semitisim was learned later and it was just fuel for the fire so to speak.
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Originally posted by Nash
I don't think the Turks would make good Nazi's.
I take it you haven't conversed with many Armenians? ;)
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Originally posted by Nefarious
his anti-semitisim was learned later and it was just fuel for the fire so to speak.
he could not draw people.
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People and dogs are hard to draw. That's why those who crave power or control draw demons instead. They are much easier to draw, even if you only draw them with words.
Don't strain anything, but think about it.
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Demon drawers are bad news.
Les
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Churchill was a rotten painter. Hitler? Now there was a painter. Two coats, one afternoon.
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I got it on my HD if anyone's interested.
EDIT: here (http://www.saunalahti.fi/anttruok/Ebook%20-%20Adolf%20Hitler%20-%20Mein%20Kampf%20-%20ebook%20-%20English.zip)
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I think it's, "... one apartment, two coats..." :)
Aw yes, a funny movie.
"Churchill. He couldn't even say Nazis. It's Nazis, not Naaaaaaazeeeees."
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You can read it on line or in PDF form on several websites:
Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler (http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/)
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Vudak, a well made point there about the Turks genocide of the Armenians. The seed that sowed the holocaust maybe?
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Who said anything about Turks being our enemies Skydancer? They are our stout allies.
Les
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Originally posted by VOR
I've intended to read this book as well as Che's for years but have never gotten around to either of them. Were either of these to make any recent bestseller lists, I'd wonder what was going on.
Che's book is sold w/o problem in Russia (I mean a book about Cuban Revolution, "Partizan warfare guidebook" and Bolivian diaries in one cover).
I suppose Chechens didn't read "Partizan warfare". Otherwise Federal troops in Chechnya could have much more problems.
Mein Kempf was sold in Russia openly in the 90s. Now it's availible on the Net. You must know the face of your enemy.
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Originally posted by Lizking
I have a copy, does that make me an anti-semite?
Only if your not jewish:)
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Originally posted by Leslie
Read the communist manifesto for grade 7 Civics class. My friends and I were too immature at that age to take it seriously. I mean we read it and did ok on the tests, but we also started messing with the teacher (who deserved it somewhat, he messed with some of us) by wearing red armbands and making commie flags to put up in class. He saw it for what it was, prankish and immature, but our reading the manifesto made his life harder than it needed to be after that for the next three years.
What school did you attend and when?
Manifesto looks quite naive now. But I always liked a part about collectivization of women :D
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Originally posted by Leslie
Who said anything about Turks being our enemies Skydancer? They are our stout allies.
Les
I feel sorry for you guys, but it seems that when not studying Quran your stout allies entertain themselves by reading the Book of the Nazi. :rolleyes:
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I didnt like It. Hitler isnt a good a writer.
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Originally posted by Rolex
People and dogs are hard to draw. That's why those who crave power or control draw demons instead. They are much easier to draw, even if you only draw them with words.
Don't strain anything, but think about it.
I can draw peoples N dawgz!
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/903579/peeplzNdawgZ.JPG)
That makes me g00d!!1
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I'd like to read it sometime - but I wouldn't like anyone making a profit of me buying it....
There is somethig disturbing about this book becoming a best seller. I'd say it's unlikely that a lot of people suddenly became intellectuals and want to read it for their general education.
Turky is a facinating coutry and at a delicate state right now. A muslim democracy (where the army fills the role of democracy "guard dog"), at the gates of the EU and just might become the 1st non-cristian nation to join, has deep historic, millitary, economic and diplomatic ties with Israel, part westen part 3rd world and a population of 80M...
I consider it Israel's 3rd most important allie after the US and Germany together with the UK (yes, as important as the UK). I really hope this one don't turn up Nazy.
Bozon
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Originally posted by JB88
The books were printed without permission from Bavaria, which holds the book's copyright. Bavaria's finance minister said it shouldn't have been reprinted. [END OF QUOTE]
What a nice example of antipiracy laws' winding paths scrupulously followed by Bavaria.
This freaking German land holds Adi Hitler's copyright ?! How come ? Isn't it obvious that all the proceeds from the sales of this book MUST go to the Red Cross & Crescent charitable activities in the war zones ?
Where's the funny U.N. ? If the Allied Powers at the Nurenberg trials missed on this matter (proceeds from copyrights of international war criminals), why nobody raises this question at the U.N. today.
Now we have "Dr" Goebels's diaries, Hitler's "Mein Kampf", [another "Dr"] Alfred Rosenberg's notes for the "arianization" of Ukraine and other Ostland territories. And somebody enjoys the benefits brought in by the
possession of copyrights on these writings ?
This have to be stopped !
:mad:
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This freaking German land holds Adi Hitler's copyright ?! How come ? Isn't it obvious that all the proceeds from the sales of this book MUST go to the Red Cross & Crescent charitable activities in the war zones ?
To be fair to Bavaria, they don't make any money out of sales of Mein Kampf, and use the copyright to try to prevent publication of the book.
There's a good article on the copyright issues surrounding Mein Kampf at http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/10/mein_royalties.php
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Originally posted by Nashwan
To be fair to Bavaria, they don't make any money out of sales of Mein Kampf, and use the copyright to try to prevent publication of the book.
There's a good article on the copyright issues surrounding Mein Kampf at http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/10/mein_royalties.php
Good Bavarian intentions. Bavarian beer is good too.
But in my opinion my kin folks (I'm directly related to the same celtic tribe as the native Bavarians) are making a big mistake.
"Mein Kampf" should be studied by students in every school, and every page of Hitler's book should be accompanied with the opposing page of critical commentary. That's how it should be done.
Period.
"Preventing publication" is BS'y way to deal with Nazi propaganda.
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Originally posted by genozaur
Where's the funny U.N. ? If the Allied Powers at the Nurenberg trials missed on this matter (proceeds from copyrights of international war criminals), why nobody raises this question at the U.N. today.
Now we have "Dr" Goebels's diaries, Hitler's "Mein Kampf", [another "Dr"] Alfred Rosenberg's notes for the "arianization" of Ukraine and other Ostland territories. And somebody enjoys the benefits brought in by the
possession of copyrights on these writings ?
This have to be stopped !
:mad:
Hm. In a preface to Ribbentrop's memoirs (written in jail and not finished because of the execution) I have read that copyrights don't apply to work of this criminals, at least their families don't get any royalties.
It's an interesting question, needs to be researched.