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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: MaddogJoe on March 20, 2005, 09:01:41 PM
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OK, heres a film I'd like you 38 jocks to look at and then ya'll just let me have it!! LOL!! First, its a 15 minute film ( 1.9 megs) and the only kill I get is a nice lag roll onto an La7's tail. I think I really surprised him there. I already know I have trouble hitting the side of a barn so we don't need to go there unless ya got a tip on how to learn to lead a target.
The main thing I'd like to know is am I using the plane to its advantages, and if not what could I have done better to use it better? I know I was being pretty cautious for most of the fights, but there were a lot of bad guys around. Never did see Filth sneak up on me till it was too late grrrr! Was I being too easy on it? How hard would you guys push these fights in the same situation?
Any help would be great guys! Thanks
P38 film (http://www.airmafia.netprism.net/mafia/4_19_1_kill.zip)
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I already know I have trouble hitting the side of a barn so we don't need to go there unless ya got a tip on how to learn to lead a target.
I stumbled across the lead computed gunsight option in the TA a few weeks ago. It really shed some light on gunnery for me. Its worth checking out if you havent done so.
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(typing my notes as Im viewing)
Not really a P38 issue, but watching your reaction to the C2, made me think you could work on judging other planes E. In that instance your closure rate with the C2 was rather slow. Your speed was threenintyish, which means the appearent slow closure rate was due to the C2's speed, not yours. C2, tries to reverse sheds even more speed, hence C2 wasnt really something to react to unless he were pulling a nice preturn.
Coulda used flap looping over on the chog. Not a critical thing, but it may have made for a better/longer shot opportunity. I probably would have pressed the chog for at least 1 more pass (if not longer) since the 51 was many seconds away.
For the 2nd time I noticed you closed on a 51 and stayed pretty much in pure pursuit. Most of the time in that sit they will either roll left or right, and start a turn that eventually goes under. Consider diving slightly lower than them (lag pursuit) before you close to gun range. You have both better visibility, and have your nose pointed where they are expected to go.
You get to the multi-bogies, and zoom over them to about 200mph, dive on the la7, start to zoom, decide to extent for a few, then climb for a few seconds. Nothing wrong with that, but here is a tactic to consider. If you zoom to 150mph, flap down, and continue a ROC 3 down to speeds as low as 110mph. You now can look down, and the enemy with the E state nearest yours should stick out like a sore thumb. Now instead of diving through the whole swarm, you just address those with the highest E as they climb above the swarm.
In the engagment with the 51s&C2, after the pass on the 51, I would have continued in the verticle as described above (because the slow C2 is trailing you). Now here this 51 pretty much says "Im going over the top", you move to lag pursuit. In that case I would have went to lead. The object is the same as earlier, even though the pursuit mode is different. Im trying to get my nose to where I expect them to go. Its much easier to wait for them to come to your nose than it is to try and chase them with it.
Bare in mind Im not saying there's anything wrong with your tactics. You stayed out of trouble pretty well. But you asked about using the 38s advantages. You're not really pushing its verticle ablilities. To do that, you gotta be willing to bank more of your speed into alt in some situations.
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I can't wait to see some of these responses...
the 38 is an enigma to me... does nothing great but does everything good...
I gave up after all the accel stalls & deaths I suffered in it... at my own nEWb hands for shore...
Funny thing is I don't have too much trouble fighting them, (or don't seem to due to the lack of them in the MA) I mean, they're a great plane but they "are" limited ... but with the right driver, they're Uber!!
but I still wanna know about it & would love to get good at it...
Great thread & can't wait to read more & learn more...
WD!!
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Thanks Murdr, always think of "vertical" in the nose up from here attitude, never concidering the nose down lag pursuit !! Too much thinking inside the box for me!! I know I have a big weakness there and don'y think "outside" too well, hence the thread :) OK so use zooms more to retain E, I get it, but its tuff to get my plane down to 110.... it just ain't right! LOL!! I understand banking the E, just got to get it throught the thick skull. Certainly gives me something to look at in the film again.
I have tried the "lead computing" site, but due to my limited time to fly hate wasting it chasing drones around! I believe I don't lead enough, so have to train myself to start shooting sooner. Is it better to train with the site, or real time in the MA?
Thanks again, and keep it coming!
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38's really benefit most from rudder pedals.
i like the 38, but with a twisty stick i can't get the most out of it.
maybe it's time to drag out my old tm analog pedals and see if i can get a usb adapter to make it work with win xp....
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Maddog JOe,
Only way to get th P38 slow , I mean REAL slow in the verticle is to turn off combat trim...Ask Murder what speed to turn it off in to have trim set to "neutral".
Balsy
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I'd always recommend flying the 38 with combat trim off. If you fly with combat trim on, then your vertical performance will be severely hampered as your elevators will automatically be trimmed up as you drop in speed, which you will have to fight unneccessarily as you zoom.
Since the 38 has no net torque, it is easy to manually trim. Aileron and rudder trim should be in neutral positions at all times, the only thing you need to worry about is elevator. Old rule of thumb is to keep the red line of the elevator trim indicator lined up with the bottom of the letter "L" beside it. This should keep you level at about 300 mph. You may have to trim down a little to keep the nose down in dives, but otherwise keep it there. You'll find yourself staying much more stable in pure vertical fights, and your handling in flat turning stall fights will remain consistent rather than constantly change as the trim changes with speed.
As Balsy said it's the only way to really take advantage of the lack of torque to hang on your props. It's possible to get down to 0 mph and fall backwards momentarily.
Something advanced to try if you feel like showboating: Differential throttle control at the top of a rope to snap the nose around so fast you have bullets flying at your target before he even knows which way you're pointed. :)
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I was trying to think of an uploaded film example zooming to slow speeds, so I looked at lolkill (http://479th.jasminemarie.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownloaddetails&lid=9&ttitle=lolkill.zip). At around 3:00 I zoom down to 55mph to drop down on a huri. At 7:15 I zoom down to 47mph defensively to stay clear of a d9 and spit that can reach me, but cannot match my E. At 10:15 I loop over on multis down to 37mph. Even my immelmans where I casually turn back towards the fight in the film bring my speeds down near 100.
Basically though, I zoom and approach on top of everyone, and by the time I drop to their alt, Im too fast to keep up with.
Also I looked at a few films and found this vert55.ahf (http://479th.jasminemarie.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownloaddetails&lid=27&ttitle=vert55.zip). I get down to 15 and 25mph. Zooming in on the trim, i noticed I stayed trimmed to the bottom of the "L" at speeds from 15-490mph, which is normally where I have it trimmed.
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Ya I fly without combat trim, and have been that way for a few months. I did notice right away that the plane handles much better at the top of a zoom, for that matter most plane work better with out the combat trim on IMO.
Don't get me wrong, I can get my 38 down to 50 with ease, but in the MA life is speed in most cases, that's why I say "it just ain't right!" :) It goes against the grain to go slow. I know I'm storing "E" due to the zoom, but its tuff to "allow" myself to get slow.
I'll check out the film you linked Murdr, and I'll get back to ya with any questions. Printed your report on my film and will watch it again while reading to see what your talking about.
Thanks again.
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Originally posted by Balsy
Maddog JOe,
Only way to get th P38 slow , I mean REAL slow in the verticle is to turn off combat trim...Ask Murder what speed to turn it off in to have trim set to "neutral".
Balsy
You should always keep Combat Trim off when flying the P-38. It hinders more than it helps and renders the dive flaps useless.
The approximate neutral position for the elevators is on the _ part of the L in where it says ELV in the elevator trim indicator. That's the neutral setting for 300mph IAS.
ack-ack
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have tried the "lead computing" site, but due to my limited time to fly hate wasting it chasing drones around!
Its enabled in the training arena aswell as offline. I got alot more out of it shooting people instead of drones:D
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OK Murdr, I watched the film a bunch more times going over your notes as I was watching. I see where you were talking about the different pursuits. Thinking ahead, and putting myself in a position to have an easier move to get my shot, certainly make sense.
I think , after watching the film a bunch more that I was VERY worried about that 51 coming back and cherry pickin me... not that any one flying a 51 would do that ;) The first time the C2 came in I was just closing the distance a bit to force him to turn ands burn a bit more "E". Later when I lit him up on the rope, it was all I could do NOT to follow him down to finish him off !! dang that 51 !!
I watched the films you posted. Question... I have a hard time telling, do you drop the throttles down at the top of your zoom, and if you do when? If not, why? When you have someone on the hook in a rope, do you "coast" down to them, or do you throttle down to them, and why?
Thanks again!
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I usually keep my throttle full in a zoom when I'm roping the other player until I go over the top. Depending on the closure rate of the other plane, I'll either chop my throttle going over the top of my zoom so I don't accelerate too quickly coming down. I'll usually do it when I see that the player still has some energy, so I kind of "float" down and give him a chance to burn more E and rope him. If there are multiple bogies in the area, I'll keep my throttle open so I can build as much E as possible coming down from my zoom to maintain my energy advantage. If I blow the rope the first time because I zoomed by too fast on the first time, no worries because if the guy fell for the rope once, he's gonna fall for it a second time.
I would've watched your film but unfortunately, I can't watch them. My film viewer always locks up with a few seconds after the movie starts. But Murdr probably said what I was going to say and probably much more clearer than I could.
ack-ack
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Almost always Im full throttle all the way through. I want all the E I can get. Im not getting slow for the sake of getting slow. Im taking as much E from the speed colum and putting it in the alt colum as I can. 38 can stall out of the verticle and recover controls faster than other planes. If I can get them to walk into that condition, great. If not, Im still on top and can pretty much dictate the fight from that position. While in the verticle, Im guiding my nose so when it does stall, it does it the way I want.
There are a couple of objectives using the verticle, and its not always a rope per se. Its about timing and positioning. Here are a couple of screen shots from vert55. Look at the difference in position between entering and leaving at different speeds.
(http://479th.jasminemarie.com/films/turn1.jpg) (http://479th.jasminemarie.com/films/turn2.jpg)
(http://479th.jasminemarie.com/films/turn3.jpg) (http://479th.jasminemarie.com/films/turn4.jpg)
Often times you end up in a better position when you can reverse without traveling through a long sweeping turn.
Two exceptions on the throttle: To delay a merge. If I see them setting up to HO when I come back down, Ill close the throttles as soon as my nose starts to fall. They continue to look for me to come screaming back down into a HO, but instead I just hang there a few seconds till their nose drops.
The other exception is if I see Im going to get shot, I might throttle back 1 engine, so the other engine can whip me around in the stall.
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Heh, that was kind of fun picking out those screenies.
Here's a rolling scissors aginst a n1k tonight.
(http://479th.jasminemarie.com/films/rolling.jpg)
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Here is another film (direct link) (http://479th.jasminemarie.com/films/film54_0315.zip). Its only a minute and a half long. It shows how the 38 can zoom, flap down, and still climb at slow speed.
Its jus another aspect of the 38s abilities in the verticle.
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Forget that last film, got a much better one this morning. Here is one where I spend well over a minute in a flap hang with a bogie just under my 6.
FlapHangExtreme (http://479th.jasminemarie.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownloaddetails&lid=33&ttitle=flap_hang_extreme)
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Hey! after about 10 years of this, I just discovered, I can change the POV on the AH films viewer by sliding the window adjustments.
My stupidity has no limits....
Balsy
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Murdr, do i understand the images right? Your reversed at a minimum speed of 15/22mph IAS?
If yes, hell than i know a Dora-Jock like me should NEVER EVER follow a P38 into the vertical. Dora ist just not controllable once under 100mph IAS.
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Originally posted by Naudet
Murdr, do i understand the images right? Your reversed at a minimum speed of 15/22mph IAS?
If yes, hell than i know a Dora-Jock like me should NEVER EVER follow a P38 into the vertical. Dora ist just not controllable once under 100mph IAS.
He can hold it verticle below zero, 22mph ain't no thing.
-p.
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Originally posted by Naudet
Murdr, do i understand the images right? Your reversed at a minimum speed of 15/22mph IAS?
If yes, hell than i know a Dora-Jock like me should NEVER EVER follow a P38 into the vertical. Dora ist just not controllable once under 100mph IAS.
That's one of the first things you learn how to do if you plan on flying the P-38. P-38 can stay nose up, as Pellik said at 0mph and then have the nose just swing down, pointing straight at the belly of the guy you just roped. Honestly, nothing compares to the P-38 in the vertical. I've heard some say the Ki-84 is just as good but in my experiences fighting against the Ki-84, it just doesn't match the pure zoom power and vertical capabilities of the Lightning.
ack-ack
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You understand correctly.
The Dora is actually an excelent pure zoomer. The problem is the Dora takes forever to recover from a stall.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
That's one of the first things you learn how to do if you plan on flying the P-38. P-38 can stay nose up, as Pellik said at 0mph and then have the nose just swing down, pointing straight at the belly of the guy you just roped. Honestly, nothing compares to the P-38 in the vertical. I've heard some say the Ki-84 is just as good but in my experiences fighting against the Ki-84, it just doesn't match the pure zoom power and vertical capabilities of the Lightning.
ack-ack
The 479th spammin it up here at the end of this post...
It's my impression that the KI-84 is just a really good slow fighter. Getting slow is kind of like stall fighting, but the 84 needs to level out and turnfight. A P38 can just line you up off his wing, cut throttle and spray through the accellerated hammer. That's my interpruitation of a true stallfighter.
-p.
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Actually the Dora recovers very easily when stalled, but it departs to easily into uncontrolled flight at low speeds.
Also it seems like the Dora doesn't like to bring here nose around in a wingover. At one point even with full rudder the plane "literally" stops the nose movement, wobbles around and is very likely to stall out for a brief moment.
I might try some flip overs/arounds with the Dora. Wonder if there is a way to keep her controlled in the vertical even under 100mph IAS.
EDIT: Did a quick offline try, filmed it and closely watched the results. I was able to reverse the Dora at very low speeds, some close to 20mph IAS. It was in the way that i tried to go as close to the vertical as possible as long as i could, at some point (~50 IAS) (otherwise torque will induce a spin) you have to kill the
engine and the plane will stall, once the nose drops to the horizon you have to push the stick forward that way you get the nose low and the plane recovers, at that point restart the engine.
I noticed a couple points, first engine torque will almost guaranty a spin at very low speeds, any control input lead to it. With throttle cut it is less prounced but still there.
Second the Dora wants to go hard to the left in the vertical and so a good amount of right rudder is needed to keep the nose straight up. It also wants to roll, but that is easily countered by aileron.
Third, at very low speed the Dora refuses to fall over the cockpit. Even when i tried to keep the plane in a position that would favour the the flip over the cockpit the plane once stalled flatens out, cockpit up. Even flaps won't help it here.
The P38 on the other hand literally reverses itself once below 20mph IAS. Though it will need some experience to get to the right position after the reversal, its much easier because the way up is very harmless. The counterrotating props really give it an advantage here.
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Let me rephrase that. The altitude needed to convert from a verticle stall to level flight for a dora, is huge compaired to a 38. That's what I ment. For combat reasons I ignore 'controled flight' in that situation, and focus on 'recover level flight', since anywhere outside the arc where they can lift their nose is a safe zone.
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Gentlemen, I thank you. This has been one of the most helpful threads I've encountered!!
Apologize in advance for the mini-hijack: but I have a related P-38 problem. Just starting to fly this ship, after getting my junior ACM feet established in a Spit V. When hitting the top of a loop in 38, I repeatedly have stalled, entered flat spin, and been unable to recover with usual interventions. For now, as temporary expedient, I've got stall limiter on when in the 38 to get some flight time. So:
1) how do you get those very slow speeds without the accellerated flat spin?
2) is there any way to get out of that once you're in it? I've worked my way down from 12K waiting for the procedures to "catch" but ended up being divot filler....
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First, turn off the Stall Limiter and if you have Combat Trim turned on, turn that off as well. Also, make sure that you've got the P-38 elevators trimmed to approx neutral position.
When you're doing a loop, make sure that you do have sufficient speed in which to do it. A P-38 can do a loop as slow as 150mph IAS with the aid of flaps. In fact, you can endlessly loop the P-38 by just using flaps. This was something that Leviathn had shown me in AH1 and it still works in AH2. The flaps provide an excellent amount of lift and will help you keep from entering into an accelerated stall as you loop since they are doing most of the work and you're not pulling back on the stick as much. You'll hear the buzzer go crazy as you ride the edge of the stall envelope.
As you reach the top of the loop and you're about to stall out, lower the flaps as needed to get over the top. If you do it correctly, you should end up doing a stall loop. When you do a stall loop, you are actually using the stall itself to get you over the top of the loop and if correctly done will cause the nose to swing down very quickly.
If you find yourself starting to float on your back at the top of the loop, use your rudders to get the nose down and get you out of that situation.
ack-ack
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Falling flat is a result of stalling nose down at an extremely low speed with full flaps engaged. You need to make sure you are at least 5 deg over verticle when you lose momentum and hard stall, or you will end up falling flat. To recover, fully retract your flaps and push the stick full forward. Sometimes chopping throttle is also required.
As akak mentioned if you act quickly at the onset, by ruddering, and even possibly asemetrical power, you can yaw over and avoid that situation.
As to the accelerated stall/spin, a quick burst of asemetrical power will quickly get you out of it (eg. throttle back the engine on the outside of the rotation). I have engine selections mapped to the stick, but when I didnt, I was still quick enough using the key commands to get out of it.
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Originally posted by Murdr
Falling flat is a result of stalling nose down at an extremely low speed with full flaps engaged. You need to make sure you are at least 5 deg over verticle when you lose momentum and hard stall, or you will end up falling flat.
Just to nit-pick (and I don't mean cherry-picking knights :p ), power needs to be on and above maybe 10% for this to happen. If power is off in this situation the 38 will just float it out in a way that is, quite possibly, some sort of FM bug.
-p.
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Originally posted by Murdr
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As to the accelerated stall/spin, a quick burst of asemetrical power will quickly get you out of it (eg. throttle back the engine on the outside of the rotation). I have engine selections mapped to the stick, but when I didnt, I was still quick enough using the key commands to get out of it.
OK, I only feel MODERATELY dweebish for asking -- but I cant get the differential engne controls to respond. I have X45 with throttle, and I can turn one engine or the other off on the ground, but in the air I cant get the keyboard commands to turn throttle or single engine start off or on. I have default settings for keyboard, and I'm trying the "SHIFT-1" to select followed by -/=.
Is the X45 throttle overriding the keyboard? I have joystick settings so that the saitek throttle is throttle 1, and "nothing" is in throttle 2 per joystick.
ANy suugestions would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Try Shift_1 and operate your x45 throttle, and the left engine should respond to the throttle while the right stays at the previous setting. If the engine function, be it throttle, prop pitch, on/off, wep, is assigned to the stick, it still operates with the stick on a single selected engine. Same goes with a function assigned to the keyboard still operating on the keyboard.
If not look into keymap and confirm the select engine commands are mapped. I think they are by defult, but cant remember for certian.
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Originally posted by pellik
Just to nit-pick (and I don't mean cherry-picking knights :p ), power needs to be on and above maybe 10% for this to happen. If power is off in this situation the 38 will just float it out in a way that is, quite possibly, some sort of FM bug.
-p.
Ive always had an assumption about that. The flaps start funneling air toward the fore of the wing as the 38 falls. The props are in a position slightly less than perpendicular to the direction of travel, and while they cant produce enough thrust for forward momentum in that situation, they do produce just enough to prevent the nose from going down. Dont know if that's correct, but that was my attempt to make some sense of it.
That is a good point though. I usually know what's comming and already have flaps retracted before the 38 gets locked in that position. I think that is the fastest recovery, but I never tested it. Its simply the method I use. Removing power from the equation works too.
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Naudet, what I found about the 190s is that you don't want to swing the nose over to the 'backside' - ie) like how the P-38s would do it. The P-38s would go straight up, reach near zero airspeed and then it would flip over purely to the pitch direction, do a back flop and then point nose down.
If you do this in a 190, it could either work, or fall into a flat spin. The recently upgraded 190s (which HT says no FM changes but defiantely feels different... weird, eh?) are a lot better, but it's still a bit too dangerous. If you feel the flat spin coming you have to turn the engine off and neutralize the yaw direction movement immediately to reduce the impact of the temporary inverted flat spin.
In a Ta152H.. well.. You'll display a nice, big "falling Cruciform" performance if you attempt a pure 90d vertical. It doesn't even flat spin. It falls straight down in that position.
What I've learned is, in the 190s you have to stall out and point nose down sideways. Head straight up, stall out, and then with about 50% throttle engaged, coax the plane with slight slight rudder kicks, so it starts falling sideways to the direction of the torque(left) - and at the same time maintain certain amount of aileron input to the opposite side(right) so the plane doesn't start to spin as it reverses.
If you do it right, it will go straight up, and then reverse direction sideways(by pure leftside yawing), nose down, and then come down. I can get the 190s down to about 50mph in the vertical and then recover safely, using this method. The real 190 gurus can get it down to 0~20mph I believe.
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Originally posted by Murdr
Try Shift_1 and operate your x45 throttle, and the left engine should respond to the throttle while the right stays at the previous setting. If the engine function, be it throttle, prop pitch, on/off, wep, is assigned to the stick, it still operates with the stick on a single selected engine. Same goes with a function assigned to the keyboard still operating on the keyboard.
If not look into keymap and confirm the select engine commands are mapped. I think they are by defult, but cant remember for certian.
Works fine!! Thanks!! :aok
Now for the hard, lots of practice part.......
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Kweassa, for me that doesn't work. Or i just have not enough fine tuning with the rudder input.
The problem i am always confronted with in that situation is that the nose actually won't fall below the horzion. If in that situation i give a little rudder to yaw the nose further around, the plane just stalls out and spins.
Aileron input won't help to stabelize the plane for me.
Maybe my problem is that i either use 100% throttle or none at all, will try out the 50% on the WE.
On the other hand, i have managed a few times to reverse the D9 at very low speed by simply letting the plane go vertical, cut engine, than wait till it stalls out, falls backwards and noses down. Than i push the nose down hard, start the engine and the plane is immediatly back in controlled flight.
The hard part here is to have the bird going straight up, if it yaws to much it will spin out.
What i find interesting is the fact that the stall characteristics of the "new" FW190 fit much more to the description of K. Tank himself. Even if in a flat spin, neutralizing the controls, cutting throttle and than a slight forward pressure on the stick and the plane recovers.
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Here's a pic like Murdr made.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/232_1114683818_reversal.jpg)
The above pic was done using a Fw190A-5, The first one was a bit messy with a 360 twist at the top, but nonetheless the speed was recorded at 39mph TAS at the top of the arc. Right after the reversal I regained control.
The second one was a bit cleaner, with about 100~180 degrees 'twist' at the top. Usually this is how I do it. The 190 gurus would do it a lot cleaner. The speed was recorded at 33mph TAS at the of the arc.
It's kinda hard to explain, but as you plane stalls out to the left due to torque, you should apply full right aileron to hold back as much roll as possible.. and then, when it can be held back no longer, let go of the aileron and send it neutral, and kick the rudder oppositely to the right. The 190 would 'flop' and reverse, nose pitching downwards as it rolls on its roll axis. The reversal is sudden and quick.
While I'm not really good at this, the results are as seen - I could manage a 30mph vertical. The same could be done with new 190A-8s and new D-9s. The only 190 variant I'd never ever try it is the old Ta152.
Maybe I can send you the film if it helps, since the cockpit aielron/rudder movements are displayed now.
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Hehe Kweassa, my inputs are not different than yours. WE both are actually trying to do a clean wingover, using the standard technique of rudder in directin of torque (for FW190 left rudder) opposite aileron to overcome yaw induced roll (right aileron for FW190).
The problem is that the move - though possible with a FW190 - is anything but practicable in a combat situation and not really advisable to do against such vertical stable planes as the P38. :)
Btw how do you make screenshots from films? Just Print and Paste into Paint?
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Well, clean wingovers are impossible (at least for the AH 190s) unless it is executed over 100mph TAS with some speed to help maneuver the plane. The 'wobbling' recovery is just a method to extend the upgoing part as long as possible.. and its practical too :)
Remeber old AH1? Spits would easily hit out to 600 yds. You'd need at least 1.5k distance with a large E advantage to ever attempt a rope-a-dope against Spits. And since the old AH1 190s didn't recover so well, the reversal had to be around 100mph or so.. a lot earlier than it is now.
Nowadays, with the exception of a few skilled Spit pilots, I can more or less comfortably attempt a rope-a-dope with a spit behind me at 1.0k with a slight E advantage. The Spit would close in as close as 600 mark on the distance counter, but the 190 will still hold down to 30~50mph vertical... and when it reverses nose down, the Spit is starting to drop its nose.
As for the screenshot, I just press the "PrintScreen" key, and paste it to a graphics program (such as MS Paint or Photoshop).
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Ahh this thread needs to be stickyed, anyway I have had many troubles with the
38 and stalling, I had stall limter off. Really I think its because of my joystick. I have to use my left hand to activate flaps, and look around my plane looking for the enemy. Im going to be buying a new stick that will allow me to program some buttons so I can do this easly. In ah1 I seen ack-ack do some uber amazing stuff. Like a plane on his tail just about the same speed, he does a loop in like a split second, and bam that plane is down. Really cool to look at.
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Originally posted by jetb123
Ahh this thread needs to be stickyed, anyway I have had many troubles with the
38 and stalling, I had stall limter off. Really I think its because of my joystick. I have to use my left hand to activate flaps, and look around my plane looking for the enemy. Im going to be buying a new stick that will allow me to program some buttons so I can do this easly. In ah1 I seen ack-ack do some uber amazing stuff. Like a plane on his tail just about the same speed, he does a loop in like a split second, and bam that plane is down. Really cool to look at.
I have flaps mapped to the third and fourth most accessable buttons on my stick, right after primary and secondary fire.