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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Raider179 on March 20, 2005, 10:53:44 PM
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Wonder what kind of warhead they are gonna put on these.
On 28 January 2005, Ukranian parliamentarian Hryhoriy Omelchenko issued an open letter to President Viktor Yushchenko that Ukraine had illegally sold cruise missiles to Iran. It's was a credible report, which names dates, names, the bank accounts, fictitious shell companies that were set up to extradite the transfer of money from Iran. Plus there was collaborating evidence to this whole affair. He refered to a paper company set up in Cyprus to channel money for the missiles.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/x-55.htm
sorry if this was posted somewhere else didnt see it.
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Are you worried that Iran will nuke the US?
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Originally posted by Pongo
Are you worried that Iran will nuke the US?
Not with those missiles. But last time I checked we did have 150,000 or so troops right next door in iraq.
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Originally posted by Raider179
..But last time I checked we did have 150,000 or so troops right next door in iraq.
Do you think the fact that the Iranians might be arming themselves to the teeth has anything to do with that fact? ;)
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I think you might just have hit the nail on the head there Momus!
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Cruise missiles are not magic bullets. Also, the technology required to build them isn't crazy. A clever person can build an effective cruise missile with off the shelf parts without drawing suspicion. They start to get expensive when you reduce the CEP or add things like visual recognition of targets.
If you want to destroy fixed explacements/buildings, you can build a guidance head to fit on anything with engines and control surfaces for less then $1,000. If you want to attack moving targets, you'd probably be out of luck unless you had someone who was more then clever, but cruise missiles are designed mainly for use against stationary objects, so it's not a huge loss.
The sophistication of the Tomahawk won't be matched for $1k, but you don't NEED that sophistication for a surprise attack against buildings/big targets.
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What, they aren't going to fall for the UN 'disarming' teams too??
I mean Iraq played along and disarmed .... look what happend to them :rolleyes:
Great job Boosh ... maybe you'll get your WWIII if you keep it up.
Oh wait you wanted Cold War II? Doesn't quite have the ring of world war III tho.
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Iran was going to do this irrespective of Iraq, Evil Boosh, etc.
To believe otherwise is simplistic thinking, IMO.
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Perpetual warfare!
Now thats the ticket. Keep your population scared of the bad guy and full of fear and hate for them and you got them where you want them. Too busy being scared of the baddies to question why their own country is going down the pan.
last week we were at war with Eurasia, this week Eastasia, doesn't matter who just that whoever we are at war with is the enemy.
I urge you to read 1984 then compare Ingsoc strategy to the current "War on Terror" A perpetual war with no victory just constant struggle. Scary stuff.
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That Map seems a little too close to Bush's view of the world for my liking!
For education and a little lateral thinking
http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-dict.html
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Nineteen%20Eighty-Four
Maybe a bit crackpot but interesting!;)
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Cruise missiles are not magic bullets. Also, the technology required to build them isn't crazy. A clever person can build an effective cruise missile with off the shelf parts without drawing suspicion. They start to get expensive when you reduce the CEP or add things like visual recognition of targets.
If you want to destroy fixed explacements/buildings, you can build a guidance head to fit on anything with engines and control surfaces for less then $1,000. If you want to attack moving targets, you'd probably be out of luck unless you had someone who was more then clever, but cruise missiles are designed mainly for use against stationary objects, so it's not a huge loss.
The sophistication of the Tomahawk won't be matched for $1k, but you don't NEED that sophistication for a surprise attack against buildings/big targets.
See the thing about cruise missiles is that they are very hard to shoot down. They fly nice and low usually doing terrain following so that will take the patriots out of the mix. Again it's not about guidance that is simple given gps these days what is hard is getting through air defenses at 50 meters off the deck.
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Originally posted by Momus--
Do you think the fact that the Iranians might be arming themselves to the teeth has anything to do with that fact? ;)
Oh so I guess if we just withdraw our troops from iraq, iran will just stop....please they want nukes so they can have more power in the international community. I look at their attempt to acquire them as nothing more than nuclear blackmail to get up on the world stage. I hope they have an "accident". My money is on Isreal helping them have that little "accident".
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Too busy being scared of the baddies to question why their own country is going down the pan.
Which country would that be Zulu?
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skydancer... I know this will come as a shock to you but your source is a fictional book.
lazs
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Originally posted by Skydancer
That Map seems a little too close to Bush's view of the world for my liking!
For education and a little lateral thinking
http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-dict.html
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Nineteen%20Eighty-Four
Maybe a bit crackpot but interesting!;)
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LOL
Zulu/con/dancer`s elevator stops in the basement.
The deck only has 21 cards.
Two onions short of a sandwich.
A brick or two shy of a load.
What`s doing it is the U.S. backed secret project to send waves through the TV .
The tinfoil hat code has been broken and is now useless. :D
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Yes a fiction! Of course.
But an interesting idea put forward a long time ago about how a society might develop. I'm not saying that is word for word what we have got. That would of course be dumb. But open your mind a little and you can see some areas where Orwell was prophetic. That's what makes great literature. I'm not for one minute saying we live in Orwell's world. Simply that some of the things he wrote about appear to have been attempted either conciously or unconciously by various govts from time to time. And at the moment the Bush administration would seem to be attempting the perpetual war approach to foreign policy.
As for which country is going down the pan I would say no Western Govt cmpletely but all our leaders have used the old technique of creating enemies abroad to divert us from the **** ups and problems at home that might cost them our vote. A good example of that was Maggie's falklands adventure. Bush has attempted the same thing with his axis of evil and war on terror cobblers. I'd say the US is in for a rough time ahead with a plummeting dollar and huge national debt. But I'm no economist so maybe I'm wrong. Just an opinion guys.
Oh and before all the pathetic amerihater paranoia starts this isn't just about the US its probably more about Rich nations and poor ones and I'd include the UK in the richer nations camp.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
As for which country is going down the pan I would say no Western Govt cmpletely but all our leaders have used the old technique of creating enemies abroad to divert us from the **** ups and problems at home that might cost them our vote. A good example of that was Maggie's falklands adventure. Bush has attempted the same thing with his axis of evil and war on terror cobblers. I'd say the US is in for a rough time ahead with a plummeting dollar and huge national debt. .
Bush did not create watermelon . You ever here of 911? You ever seen a map that had kuwait on it? You forgetting the attacks and bombings in the U.S. before 9/11?
What concerns you about the U.S. national debt? What concerns you about the U.S. in general......... I mean other than the very obvious jealousy part?
You work this crap in like it is actualy gonna fly here. Do you have two friggen brain cells that actualy fire in unison?
Keep your above statement in mind for the following of your statements........
Oh and before all the pathetic amerihater paranoia starts this isn't just about the US its probably more about Rich nations and poor ones and I'd include the UK in the richer nations camp
Very shallowly buried dog crap still smells bud.
You have an obsession with the U.S. That is obvious. The moronic thing is you keep doing the same stupid watermelon over and over and think it`s going to fly.
Zulu/Americon/Skydancer <---------That should be a hint for any one with a brain there. Here`s your sign.
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Just incase you don't open the other thread I'll repeat myself.
"Oh dear. You do have a very one sided view of the world! Ithink it goes something like this. Guns and everything America and American Citizens say = intelligent righteous and good.
Anything suggested by a BBs member outside the US = stupid nonsensical and bad.
What a closed minded dull little world you must live in. Nevermind I don't have to live there. Go on see if you can open yopur mind a little. It's fun you know and you might learn something. Of course you could try to enlighten me as to how wonderful, the version of America you guys constantly spout, is rather than resorting to the old waaaa waaa euro brit zulu you know nothing (insert insult) cr*p."
Now go on see if you can do it. Mr "big mouth it off" internet man.
Any chance you might ever debate an issue rather than yell and scream insults.
I don't have an obsession. As has been pointed out to me many times this is a US board so quite obviously many of the discussions are going to revolve around US issues. So therefore as I'm here and interested wouldn't it seem logical that I'm going to discuss US issues!?
If you think I'm wrong then rather than confirm all my worst opinions about you by shouting and screaming insults why not engage in a discussion? Is that realy too much to ask? Amazingly some of us Europeans Brits etc actualy are interested in the US. And what you guys think. It seems the case is not true in reverse.
Finaly Jackal1 it amazes me that whilst other people have been blocked from this board you are contin ualy allowed to bait, insult and generaly spout your stuff all you like. But then what do I know about such things eh?
Quit getting so wound up and if you don't like it ignore it. You can do that you know. I shan't mind!
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please get off this thread hijackers lol
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Raider179 your right. Apologies for the jacking. I'm gone from this one!
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Apologies for the jacking.
The only one you have to apologize to for that is God, because he sees you when you do it.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Any chance you might ever debate an issue rather than yell and scream insults.
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If by debate you mean that I should buy into your antiAmerican spewing, you can forget it.
Debate is a two way street.
If you think I'm wrong then rather than confirm all my worst opinions about you by shouting and screaming insults why not engage in a discussion? Is that realy too much to ask? Amazingly some of us Europeans Brits etc actualy are interested in the US. And what you guys think. It seems the case is not true in reverse.
I could certainly care less about your opinion of me. I`m not too terribly fond of people that bashs my country repeatedly. especialy when they have absolutely no say so or has proven themselves to be antiAmerican.
Yes, you are quite correct in saying that some Brits/Europeans are interested in the U.S. What they don`t do is come to a U.S. based board, owned by a U.S. company and start slandering the U.S. They get along just fine here and most seem like great guys. So....what do you think your problem might arise from here? Any clue?
Finaly Jackal1 it amazes me that whilst other people have been blocked from this board you are contin ualy allowed to bait, insult and generaly spout your stuff all you like. But then what do I know about such things
Evidently , absolutely nothing.
I`m sorta amazed you haven`t been banned for the 3rd time.
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Quit getting so wound up and if you don't like it ignore it. You can do that you know. I shan't mind!
We going back to "Mommy make the bad man stop" mode again.
I`m sure you would love me to ignore you. In Your Dreams. :D
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:lol Chairboy you might be right. Funny mate. Off to say my prayers :lol
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Yes a fiction! Of course.
But an interesting idea put forward a long time ago about how a society might develop. I'm not saying that is word for word what we have got. That would of course be dumb. But open your mind a little and you can see some areas where Orwell was prophetic. That's what makes great literature. I'm not for one minute saying we live in Orwell's world. Simply that some of the things he wrote about appear to have been attempted either conciously or unconciously by various govts from time to time. And at the moment the Bush administration would seem to be attempting the perpetual war approach to foreign policy.
As for which country is going down the pan I would say no Western Govt cmpletely but all our leaders have used the old technique of creating enemies abroad to divert us from the **** ups and problems at home that might cost them our vote. A good example of that was Maggie's falklands adventure. Bush has attempted the same thing with his axis of evil and war on terror cobblers. I'd say the US is in for a rough time ahead with a plummeting dollar and huge national debt. But I'm no economist so maybe I'm wrong. Just an opinion guys.
Oh and before all the pathetic amerihater paranoia starts this isn't just about the US its probably more about Rich nations and poor ones and I'd include the UK in the richer nations camp.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Bush did not create watermelon . You ever here of 911? You ever seen a map that had kuwait on it? You forgetting the attacks and bombings in the U.S. before 9/11?
I guess you don't realize reforming the middle-east has been the Neo-Conservitive platform since before Sep. 11th .....
Bush only uses 9/11 as a tool to meet his ends .... I wonder why NY didn't vote for Bush if he's such a defender?
your so ignorant it's funny.....
funny part is how the media now accepts this plan and forgets the WMD ploy ........ If you'd bother reading about the neo-cons before this you might have realized the plans
I read them, and was at protests before the war started. I don't buy into their 'civilization building'. Seems the media loves the idea now ... nevermind WMD's.
the new american century :rolleyes:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
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somehow the North Korean model would look good to me from the Iranian POV
I'd be amazed if the persians didn't defend themselves ..... and thier way of life; Who are we to judge ... oh wait .. Bush talks to God, that's right :rolleyes:
and don't give me crap about human rights ... if the US cared, we'd be in Africa.
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Originally posted by Stringer
Iran was going to do this irrespective of Iraq, Evil Boosh, etc.
To believe otherwise is simplistic thinking, IMO.
No, no, no, no, NO!
Iran had absolutely no nuke program at all until Evil Boosh attacked peace-lving Iraq!
Iranian nuke program is very, very new.
Foolish Amreekan.
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Originally posted by Manedew
I read them, and was at protests before the war started.
That pretty well wraps it up. :D
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see that is just proably where you and me differ .....I don't see it as worth it to bring 'democracy' to the middle east .....
The tens of thousand of Iraqies dead ... maybe over 100,000
The nearing 2000 dead ameriacns
The huge debt
to gain what? I'd really like to know what we as a nation gain out of this besides OIL?
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KGB would say it's a capitlist ploy :rolleyes: And from thier POV they'd be right. A war of profit for a few.
Have you heard of fluoridation? It's posion ..... I hear the terrorists are going to put it in the water supply!
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I agree with you mate. A voice of sanity in amongst the paranoia and knee jerk nonsense!
Our Govt got us entangled too and I think we're getting even less out of it. Most of the contracts for rebuilding the place are going to US companies.
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Originally posted by Manedew
see that is just proably where you and me differ .....I don't see it as worth it to bring 'democracy' to the middle east .....
The tens of thousand of Iraqies dead ... maybe over 100,000
The nearing 2000 dead ameriacns
The huge debt
to gain what? I'd really like to know what we as a nation gain out of this besides OIL?
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So what do you propose we do now, Manedew? Just up and leave Iraq to fend for themselves? I was as opposed to this as anybody, but part of the reason I was opposed to this is because I recognize we have to see this through once we start it....and I was afraid a wishy washy American public, regardless if they were pro or con in the beginning, can doom our mission with demands of an "exit plan" or other such nonsense. We started this, now we have to see it through.
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Originally posted by Manedew
see that is just proably where you and me differ .....I don't see it as worth it to bring 'democracy' to the middle east .....
The tens of thousand of Iraqies dead ... maybe over 100,000
The nearing 2000 dead ameriacns
The huge debt
to gain what? I'd really like to know what we as a nation gain out of this besides OIL?
There is definitely no probably about it.
To gain maybe...ummmm peace of mind. To gain maybe the fact of not sitting on our honchs and waiting for it to be fought on our soil. To gain maybe honor. To gain the right for people not to be pushed around and bullied by an insane dictator. Peace of mind, respect, etc, etc.
Freedom and democracy are never cheap. Never has been, never will be.
We have paid far higher prices before by letting things get out of hand. Now we are taking care of business as it should have been taken care of long ago. It`s not a choice of either do it or not. That choice was over a long time ago. Now it is just a choice of when and where.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
. Most of the contracts for rebuilding the place are going to US companies.
Geeeez, I wonder why.
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Originally posted by Manedew
to gain what? I'd really like to know what we as a nation gain out of this besides OIL?
What oil? my gas prices have gone through the roof since the iraq "regime/wmd/evildoer" war.