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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Big G on March 21, 2005, 12:41:58 PM
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Hi Guys
Apologies in advance if this has been done to death before !
The question is all in the title of the topic, I have had zero success in torpedo attacks to date, I find that dive bombing the fleet works to a degree, so what do you guys think ?
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I do know of a few successful torpedo attacks...but only a few. I hit an escort once but never the CV or cruiser. I think you need more of a mass attack with torpedo planes then with dive bombing...you can engage the CV via divebombing with only the "puffy ack" in play...if you drop torpedo's outside of ship ack range its awful tough to get a hit...inside ship ack range you pop pretty quickly unless you have company....
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From experience, you will almost never get close enough as a single attacker to get a torpedo into a carrier. There are certain circumstances when it can happen, but it doesnt happen often. Plus, it takes more than 1. Or a combination of torps and bombs. You are far more likely to get ordnance on target and live through the experience as a dive bomber. I like the F4U for it, but a P51 or P47 work just as well.
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Tried dive bombing the carriers with the 110-G2 a few times but it seems to want to pull itself up at around 3000 feet ? Tried it with the P47, that seems to work a whole lot better.
Once I have practiced a few more times, I'm going to be trying myself on the online game and then I am going to try to hook up with some units out there that are on the lookout for a new rookie pilot lol.
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b5n2's work descent if guns are unmanned and minimal cons
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A) With torps, go head on with the CV.
B) Use JU-88's. A formation of 3 gives you 6 torps in the water plus some bombs to drop after the torps as you fly over the fleet.
Glove
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Ask me again after the Coral Sea scenario :)
-Sik
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Actually,
Torps work pretty well if you line up the shot well... Its best to come head on with 0 deflection and under 200 ft. Line up and once you start recieving flak drop and pull out. Works pretty well if the fleet does not have much aircover.
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Two Ju87 (1800 bomb) direct hits should do the job as well.... You usually die though, unless you sink the destroyer first.
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The B5N is one of those planes that is really out of place in the MA. A successful torpedo attack requires a lot of planes, coordination, and an effective escort if there are any cons at all in the area. Torpedos, when they hit, are much more devastating than bombs, and a well planned and executed attack could take out the entire CV group, but the pre-requistes I mentioned virtually don't exist in the MA. It would be cool to see a squad train at it and execute a large attack.
Divebombing is way easier to do solo. I've had a lot of success in the past with the Ju-87 and that big shipbusting 1800 kg bomb. The climbout takes a while but it's fun to put that thing on target.
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Like said, it takes many people to have succces with a torpedo-run. On your own, you have 2 option: or you live and miss, or you die and have a slighter bigger succes of hitting it.
But because ALL the anti-aircraft fire from the fleet focusses on 1 plane, you can be sure at least 1 pilot dies from a mass-raid.
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Well.. let's put it this way.
Unless you up with 20 other people and go torpedo the CV from all angles simultaneously, no AH torp plane is ever gonna get past the 5" guns alive.
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I disagree kweassa.
If you hug the water as low as you can you can get well within the 5'' guns and still survive. Mostly due to the fact that you just arent seen as easily.
I know of quite a few people who have sunk CVs on a regular basis with Torps. Fester used to do it all the time when he had enough of a fight that turned into a bunch of Seafires hiding in their CV ack.
Can it be done? Yep. Should you do it? Not until the 5'' ack weenies get in their manly guns and start whaling away at fighters for no reason other than to get a kill. Same goes for bombs. Leave it be until its a real threat to your base or until the ack weenies need to go for a swim... Then sink it.
Your 110 is nosing up from over speed btw. Cut throtle in a dive and if its still wanting to pull out of the dive, start your dive with a slower speed at the begining. The jug is working better because you can go balls to the wall the whole way down, not compress and still pull out of the dive at the end. Its one of the best diving planes in the game, and the strongest.
Remember children. Bombs are OKAY only IF you are still alive after they're dropped. If you die, or are certain to die while dropping them... You're a no good mother-loving-suicide-tardling-dweeb-to-the-square-root-of-999.499875.
That is all.
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Couldnt say it better Morpheous, except ya fergot to mention deck-lanc dweebs
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I've sank many Cv's with Ju88's torps (no other dweeb suicider ords) but i've lost many more just trying to get there. Mostly ....Cv ack hugging fighters get ya then there's the 5 ".
I use a 5 to 10 degree bow approach aiming mid way between cruiser and Cv. Loos Torp salvo 1 once cruiser acks fires wait 3 seconds (Life time lol) then drop last salvo. You have to hard turn to get out alive. Expect to lose your drone if cv's acks fully up. Expect landing gear damage. Expect every con in 6.5 to kill ya b4 u reach friendlys and expect the Cv to have turned for sure.
Dive bombing with a maxed P 47 works good. Works even better if 4 or 5 of yas go in same time
I do like a 7K full salvo fronm B24,s
:aok
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There is nothing wrong with bombing CV's from alt. That is say 7-8k and up.
Its the tards who roll in just under or over 1k who make my blood boil. Then they say how "difficult" of a job it is to sink a CV and how they should be recognized for the "great" buff pilot they are. A complete joke is more like it. And dont tell me its anything near "historical". Your just a complete tard and nothing more.
Am I Hi-jacking this thread? Nope. Big-G is obviously a newer player. Nothing against that at all. I think its great he came here and asked for advice on how to bomb a CV. I wish more new players would put in the half the effort.
Rather, they roll buffs 1 after another and die to enemy cv ack, or fighters while flying on the deck until enough of these tards get enough lucky hits on the CV to finnaly sink it. A complete waste of carbon these people are.
Again. I'm glad BigG put the effort to find out the "best" way to go about sinking a CV.
If you ask me. The best, or easiest way to sink a CV is to climb to 10-12k and level bomb it with B24, 17s or Lancs. Torps do the job also but they are much tougher to aim let alone get to target. Once you get the proper lead figured out, level bombing a CV is very easy.
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Big G try this site. I found this awhile back but never got the chance to test it out.
Torpedo Training (http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/lento_ohjeet/ah_torpedoguide/)
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I can hit the torpedo shots farely well. The problem is the snipers in the 5"ers.
The way they did it in real life was to send in torpedoes AND divebombers if they could. This gives air cover 1 choice. Fly high, or fly low. Either way, they are taking it up the ***.
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IMO that the ships sail too fast anyway...it's just slightly slower than our average torp can swim.
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Pulling off a successful torpedo attack vs ack is one of the toughest things to do in Aces High. Doing it against manned 5" ack is virtually impossible unless you just get lucky and they don't see you.
I've seen maybe 5 people who could consistantly do a good torp run and hit the target more often than miss.
Flying VERY low (5 to 10 feet) helps, but chances are you still won't survive.
Drop your torp when you start seeing ack waterspouts all around you.
Cobra, I've tried his sight & method.
It does give you a better estimate especially regarding aiming points for diff aircraft. Its certainly worth a try for anyone wanting to spend the time.
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I have taken a 110g2 into the cruiser with guns blazing and killed it 1 pass and survived. With missing parts but survived. I would bet 3-4 110's in 1 pass could kill a carrier with just the guns alone as 1 can take the cruiser down by itself with just guns.
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How much 40mm shells would it take to destroy a cv? Because the 40mm on the PT boat can hit it, while out of defensive fire range.
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Thanks for all the good advice guys, I thought it would be obvoius to the untrained newbie (such as I) that this would be the first place to come for advice, I'm off to load up the JU-88's with some torps and start training, after that I'm going to be practising on the 110 till I get that right too. Thanks Morpheus for the advice on the throttle RE: 110.
Cheers
Big G
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BigG I forgot to mention to you that it would be very much to your benifit to train off line where you could "jump" the task group or CV right near a base that you want to take off from.
So that you dont have to up and fly very far to try different ways in dropping torps.
Just a thought.
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It'd also be helpful if maps with airspawns were made again.
Anybody remember the old 'West Germany' map with a air spawn? That was a very useful map in practicing bombruns when AH first introduced the 'easymode-Norden' type of bombings.
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If you want to use bombers, do it properly please!
The thumb rule is to lead 1 (one) carrier length for every 10k (ten thousand) feet of alt. So if you bomb from 15k which is the best alt to avoid both acks and low fighters, lead by 1.5 lengths. The norden bombsite accuracy has increased considerably after the last chages so it should be fairly easy if the CV is not turning.
With a formation of heavy buffs you have enough ord to drop in two salvos.
Yes, this actually requires a little skill, planninng of the flight path and spotters reports from friendly planes will help.
Torps attack are much harder and riskier. So they were in RL.
Bozon
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Frank3,
About 2 PT boats worth of 40mm will or used to do it, not sure since they hardened them.
Balsy
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I take it that would be in default settings, how much 40mm rounds does the thing carry?
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/Hello I know all this is Tatertots fault!
Morph Why should i climb to 7plus k when 4-5 do just fine?? for level bombing cv?
I agree with other here that Ju88 with the 6 torps dropping three at a time..is often succesful against Cv and battleships....once got lucky and took a PT boat out with a topeedo..
DON"T EXPECT TO LIVE LONG AFTER DROPPING THE TORPS>>>>WONDER IS THIS ALSO A DEEB SUICIDE THING ALSO?
OH I HAVE TOO MUCH TO WORRY ABOUT ALREADY>>>I BETTER NOT OVER BURDEN MYSELF!
HAVE FUN ALL >>>>
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seriously 999.. when have you ever level bombed a cv? of the dozens apon dozens of times I killed you not once were you trying to level bomb... did you know many bombers have a bombsight? you can reach it by hitting the f6 key.
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Hey! If any of you Veterans out there ever wanna hook up in the training area and you have a lot of patience then just let me know K?
Cheers guys
Big G
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seriously...I haven't use the bomb sight since the last change ....../usually can pick off hangers , vh , gv's ..gopher in its hole as long as I don't get obve 7K.. I may dive at a cv to be a distraction for ack..but only dive bomb with the arlo234 jet bomber..to tell you the truth..I can't dive bomb period. At times i may ...if cv turning etc put my bomber in a 10-15 dergree angle to make a successful attack.....but the truth is try hard to keep my speed at 200 other wise i can't hit a barn!
999000
p.s. Big i give you a hand anytime sir but there arre other guys who know a lot more than I .
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Originally posted by Big G
Tried dive bombing the carriers with the 110-G2 a few times but it seems to want to pull itself up at around 3000 feet ? Tried it with the P47, that seems to work a whole lot better.
Once I have practiced a few more times, I'm going to be trying myself on the online game and then I am going to try to hook up with some units out there that are on the lookout for a new rookie pilot lol.
With the 110, if your nosing up in a dive, you've oversped the plane.
Throttle down before diving and watch your speed. I love the 110 for divebombing, but I do occassionally find I've oversped. really annoying when you KNOW everything is lined up just right then the nose starts to pull up