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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: tapakeg on March 22, 2005, 08:29:24 PM
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Man, this guy is falling apart physically and mentally. He's going to be out half, maybe all this season so that means he may not catch the HR record, the steroid scandal, the overall wear and tear of baseball.
Not a happy man in this interview
I'm not sure if the video link works, if not, it's on http://www.mlb.com
Ok, I tried to link the video direct, it wouldn't do it.
Tapakeg
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Hartmann was on the juice!
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yeah he sounded pretty down and out, of course blamming it all on the media. I for one took some satisfaction in knowing that mabye he realizes for once he is not almighty. You cant go around taking illegal drugs, having mistresses and being an bellybutton and expect to walk on water forever. I can def. see why he is so down, first you got the whole leaked grand jury thing, so you got the media hounding you about that, then comes the mistress talking about the money, then there is the balco trial which for the most part we have no idea what is going on. I mean he could be in some serious trouble there so im sure he is not feeling well about that and finally add on 3 knee injuries, I would be cooked too.
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Well, as we all know, anyone can make a claim...seems to me people enjoy kicking others when they are down. This ass-hat of a mistress is only looking to cash in. nothing more.
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He blames the Media?
Who took Steroids from BALCO?
Who had a mistress for 9 years?
The Media reported it. They're to blame for reporting the News?
I remember when he was a rookie in pittsburgh. Looked more like Kenny Lofton then Conan the Barbarian. He was a 30HR a year man at best. He's always been a liability in the outfield.
A report on ESPN this AM discussed how many HRs were hit by the best in the game after reaching 39 to 40. Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron and Willie Mays. In each persons instance when reaching 40 the most anyone hit as I recall was 12. Ruth hit 30 something at 39 I believe but never hit more then 12 after hitting 40. Now in my opinion Bonds is not in the same category as Ruth, Aaron, or Mays. In 1968 the pitchers mound was dropped because pitching was very strong in that era. Some team batting avgs. were in the .240 range. However....the best were still hitting .300. Mays, Yaz etc were still doing well. Pitchers mound hasn't been moved since in my recollection. And the bandboxes they've played in for the last 20 years has helped boost HR numbers. Also the talent in the leagues are greatly diluted. To many teams....not enough talent.
Barry Bonds has Barry Bonds to blame....not the media.
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I`m all tore up.
Another dumbazz getting paid a totaly outrageous salary to play a kids game, then whining because his *** is in a crack.
I may not be able to go on.
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how many years ago was he a rookie in pittsburgh? over 15? of course he wouldnt get any bigger over that time. he may have taken roids for about 3 years. fact is he is still a first round HOF inductee. yea, he has been an arse to the media, last i checked he gets played to play, not be nice to media type.
when hank got close to the babe, he started to get hounded, now that bonds is getting close, the heat has been turned up. hmmm? and of course his HRs have went up, played in 3 rivers, terrible HR park, now he is in a park built for him to hit HRs in, and he does. now, im not saying his numbers would necessarily of went up like they did(HR numbers) but they would of went up. and as somebody mentioned, the talent is definitely not what it used to be, especially in the pitching department. ok, im done.
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Bonds remains one of the top 10 or less hitters of all time..... ultra melon or not.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Bonds remains one of the top 10 or less hitters of all time..... ultra melon or not.
Don't forget to put an asterisk by it, though.
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BS.
Steriods don't help you put the bat on the ball.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Steriods don't help you put the bat on the ball.
Yeah, they only take steroids to look good at the beach.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
BS.
Steriods don't help you put the bat on the ball.
True, but they can turn a long double into a home run.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Bonds remains one of the top 10 or less hitters of all time..... ultra melon or not.
LMFAO.
1. Ty Cobb
2. Joe Jackson
3. Pete Rose
4. Babe Ruth
5. Ted Williams
6. Stan Musial
7. Willie Mays
8. Hank Aaron
9. Honus Wagner
10. Lou Gehrig
and about 100 other players that didn't need Steroids to heal themselves and increase muscle strength
<> Barry Bonds.
Karaya
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Hmmm... I'm pretty sure that Gehrig, Ruth, Cobb, Wagner, etc. never had to submit to a drug test.
Who knows what they were taking?
;)
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Babe Ruth may have taken just about anything he could get his hands on, but I seriously doubt steriods would have been on his list lol. He was a great ball player, but he owed his physique to beer and whiskey, not steroids.
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Barry Bonds=another spoiled overpaid athlete
The world is full of them.
Better athletes through chemistry.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by killnu
how many years ago was he a rookie in pittsburgh? over 15? of course he wouldnt get any bigger over that time. he may have taken roids for about 3 years. fact is he is still a first round HOF inductee. yea, he has been an arse to the media, last i checked he gets played to play, not be nice to media type.
when hank got close to the babe, he started to get hounded, now that bonds is getting close, the heat has been turned up. hmmm? and of course his HRs have went up, played in 3 rivers, terrible HR park, now he is in a park built for him to hit HRs in, and he does. now, im not saying his numbers would necessarily of went up like they did(HR numbers) but they would of went up. and as somebody mentioned, the talent is definitely not what it used to be, especially in the pitching department. ok, im done.
What was bad about Three Rivers? only 400 in center 375 alleys & 335 lines. The Polo Grounds was a bad HR hitter's park...'roids = batspeed = time to wait on the pitch = batting average & homers...I think Ted Kluszewski was juiced also.
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Originally posted by killnu
how many years ago was he a rookie in pittsburgh? over 15? of course he wouldnt get any bigger over that time. he may have taken roids for about 3 years. fact is he is still a first round HOF inductee. yea, he has been an arse to the media, last i checked he gets played to play, not be nice to media type.
when hank got close to the babe, he started to get hounded, now that bonds is getting close, the heat has been turned up. hmmm? and of course his HRs have went up, played in 3 rivers, terrible HR park, now he is in a park built for him to hit HRs in, and he does. now, im not saying his numbers would necessarily of went up like they did(HR numbers) but they would of went up. and as somebody mentioned, the talent is definitely not what it used to be, especially in the pitching department. ok, im done.
Proved my point....when he left Pittsburg he wasn't Conan the Barbarian. Muscle mass takes time to build done normally. Diet and exercise can do it. Much harder to do also as one ages. Take a look at the numbers of the greats in their latter years. Nature takes it's toll.....always has...always will. Steroid use also takes it's toll on the body. Causes injuries to take longer to heal.....can also make one more prone to injury. Steroids can be used for medicinal purposes. Cancer patients frequently are given them so as to not drop massive amounts of weight going through Chemo Therapy.
Like Canseco stated during the Congressional Hearings as he bent forward over the table and stated " Evidently I was the only one in baseball that took Steroids."
He cheated........he got caught. Baseball SHOULD adopt the Olympic Steroid Policy as should all Sports.
Here is an example of a statement by a Hall of Fame Pitcher. His name is Bob Feller. Great Baseball players are the complete package. Not just great hitters (without roids) they are leaders as well as outstanding fielders, Hitters and baserunners.
Bob Feller was asked if he would be afraid to face Jose Canseco with the bases loaded in his book And now pithcing Bob Feller.
Mr Feller stated" I wouldn't be afraid to face Canseco.....he'd hold the bat at the bottom and swing his guts out to hit a homerun. I'd be afraid more of Nellie Fox....who'd choke up, cut his swing and do anything in the world to bring a run home. Canseco I'd strike out.
That's the difference between Then and Now. Bandboxes, juiced balls, better living through chemistry. Lower Pitchers mound and pitching quality. Might have 3 great Pitchers now at the most playing. In the 60's and 70's I can name a bunch.
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proved your point? so i take it they had the same work ethic (babe ruth) and specialized training like they do now? dont think so. i think 18 years is plenty of time to get it naturally. once again, not saying he didnt do them, but the argument over size difference between now and 18 years ago is garbage.
how many pirates, when there was 3 rivers ever hit 40+ homeruns in it? could probably count them on one hand, but ill say two to be safe. 3 rivers just was not a homerun park and it sure of heck wasnt built for any one player, then alone bonds to hit homeruns in.
Jose canseco was never anywhere near the contact hitter bonds was even early in bonds career. over 18 years i would expect him to get better, more patient at the plate. canseco was an overhyped rob deer, he would either hit a homerun or strikeout, generally speaking of course. so there should be no comparison between bonds and canseco, 2 different levels of talent, with or with out roids.
if roids are made him so great in late age, why has he gotten slower, and not as good in field. he went from a base stealing threat (hence only 500hr and 500 stolen run guy in history) and gold glover to neither? age.
just for clarification, im not saying he did, or did not do roids. but, i believe if he did, it was prolly between 2000-2003 seasons. and that the arguements that he did, are almost all garbage. his size between now and then:rolleyes: he is better in his late age than should be:rolleyes: (pitching overall now sux, and would expect him to become better hitter, especially in park built with him in mind) and then there is the leaked "sealed" court document, which said what it said. he may have, he thought something else...that may be the best evidence against him, but without all of it, which will im sure come out at end of this balco investigation, we wont know whole truth, just what media wants us to know. you know, he is closing in on babe ruth;)