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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Skydancer on March 23, 2005, 05:57:27 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/storyville/why-we-fight.shtml
Powerfull stuff!
Scary Stuff!
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Originally posted by Skydancer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/storyville/why-we-fight.shtml
Powerfull stuff!
Scary Stuff!
you are easily frightened.
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So why does the UK fight? :lol
What a bunch of BS, just like the BBC's account of the "massacre" in Jenin by the Israelis.
Their style is to go in with a BS statement or question meant to be taken as fact "why is the US predisposed to war ?" ( like that's just assumed, now let's find our answer), then slant the rest of the story to support that statement with edited inverviews with the "man on the street".
In Jenin, we had a BBC "expert" on the ground saying basically "there are no bodies being found yet, but there is evidence of a huge massacre here"
Got to love these jokers.
Skydancer is wearing thin on me. I love people that come here just to screw with Americians.....either out of bordom and to get a reaction, or mostly, just fascination with us I guess.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/storyville/why-we-fight.shtml
Powerfull stuff!
Scary Stuff!
Oh crap...I hope he didn't discover our secret handshake and decoder ring. Or our militaristic world domination super secret scheme is gonzo. By the way how would that clown know "Why we Fight. It's a safe bet if he ever had to he'd head for Canada.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Skydancer is wearing thin on me. I love people that come here just to screw with Americians.....either out of bordom and to get a reaction, or mostly, just fascination with us I guess.
Now , now don`t be too hard on the boy.
He comes to a U.S. based board, owned by a U.S. company to spread the word about the evil American Capitalist empire like any good party member only to be scoffed at and laughed at. Just proves the total evil within the U.S. with our big cars, big bikes, total wastefullness and and and just ole evil stuff. :D
I think, as he suggests, he is just misunderstood.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1111630212_misunderstood.jpg)
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Originally posted by NUKE
Skydancer is wearing thin on me. I love people that come here just to screw with Americians.....either out of bordom and to get a reaction, or mostly, just fascination with us I guess.
The truly sad part is most Americans had no ill feelings toward Europeans. Now with the trend in Europe to pile on everything "American" the cross pond disgust and hatred is probably here to stay.
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Originally posted by Krusher
The truly sad part is most Americans had no ill feelings toward Europeans. Now with the trend in Europe to pile on everything "American" the cross pond disgust and hatred is probably here to stay.
6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
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Just curious here. How many bulletin boards are there in other countries that are available to US folks? It would be interesting to go to those boards and see what the "locals" post for real.
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Skydancer
03-23-2005 06:57 PM This person is on your Ignore List. To view this post click [here]
Gee. I wonder why this is?
Karaya
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So did any of you guys watch it?
You know what the realy sad thing is. After 911 there was support for the US all over the world. Even in Tehran people were deeply moved by what had happened and were pledgeing support for the victims. And what happened? Your Govt realy stuffed it for you. Now your nation is as unpopular as hell and even amongst people that are supposed to be your greatest allies people are begining to feel very uncomfortable abouut what is going on. That is sad.
Now listen carefully Its not Americans that are unpopular its what is being done in your name. To blindly criticise a people based on their government's actions is crazy.
I can only assume that this board is not only US owned etc. But it is also dominated by rightwing republican zealots.
By the way NUKE I don't agree that we should be fighting either. My fear is that our nation is getting entangled in the same mess you are. So you could say I'm not anti American. I'm anti what is being done by Blair and Bush. Personaly I think Blair has reduced us to the status of Lackey and is allowing our foreign policy to be dominated by the US and subsumed into the great Necon world plan. We have a puppet army commanded from the pentagon.
Does that make me anti UK too because I criticise my Govt? Cmon dont be so daft.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
So did any of you guys watch it?
Naw, most of us were down at town hall for indoctrination night burning the flag. The Conform Comrad tapes that were performed by Doogie Houser are really great. What a wacky guy.
Now listen carefully
Were sitting on the edge of our seats.
Your Govt realy stuffed it for you. Now your nation is as unpopular as hell and even amongst people that are supposed to be your greatest allies people are begining to feel very uncomfortable abouut what is going on.
I think our government is doing a great job. We are kickin *** and taking names.
I can imagine some places are very uncomfortable, as they should be. The free ride is over.
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Fine Jackal1
But you unless I am mistaken are not all of America! ( thankfully )
Morning by the way.
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I've got the whole "why we fight" series on DVD; and they're genuinely interesting historical documents in thier own right.
There's a mass of fascinating WWII footage in them; and some commentary that's still relevant.
The tone is extremly jingoistic and yes; it's propaganda; but I've always looked upon them as an attempt by a democratic government to "get the people on board" in it's descion to take part in a foreign war far away in countries from which most Americans had negative thoughts about; if they bothered thinking about them at all.
Placed in the context of thier times; they were a tremendous help to Britain; and skydancer/Zulu is being a right royal p.i.t.a. using such material in his constant "look at me; I'm an attention potato!" America bashing.
I wonder if he and Beetle are related?
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To blindly criticise a people based on their government's actions is crazy.
I wish more than a handful of people in europe really belived that.
Belive me, they do criticise people.
Bozon
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Well not this one.
The Govt is not the people. Just a body elected usualy by a minority, when you consider a vast proportion never vote anyhow!
Seeker. I didn't make the documentary. go look at the web link again.
It was interesting as not one interview was of anyone other than Americans. Mostly members of "the project for the new American century" or former military people or CIA. Realy you ought to watch it, before you blindly criticise based on what you think it is.
Check this
http://www.bbcworld.com/content/talkingmovies_archive_04_2005.asp?pageid=665&co_pageid=6
click on the video link
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Originally posted by Skydancer
But you unless I am mistaken are not all of America! ( thankfully )
Those evil, evil Americans trying to infiltrate a BBS based in the U.S. Their trickery and arrogance knows no bounds.
Well at least you included your dislike for America as a whole this time. Takes the pressure off the U.S.
The Govt is not the people. Just a body elected usualy by a minority
You got a real firm grasp on the democratic process there. :D
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Originally posted by Jackal1
You got a real firm grasp on the democratic process there. :D
Jackal1, you think more than half of the americans voted for bush? If I remember correctly, the total number of votes was against bush in the previous elections.
Not to mention that this is only of those who actually voted (not every one votes) - so the actual number of people who voted for bush is much less than 50% and therefore a minority vs. the not-voted for bush.
Bozon
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How many turned out to vote in your country!?
How big is the population?
Thanks for answering that Bozon.
You twist words don't you Mr Jackal1 or you obtusely faile to read the proper meaning to suit your own warped view of what I am saying.
"I'm not anti American. I'm anti what is being done by Blair and Bush."
I realy don't think I can make it any plainer to you. I guess you must be so challenged as to not be able to understand this simple statement!
Now go take a look at the web links. Why not eh?
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The "Why we Fight" title of the film cited in the original post is an ironic reference to the WW2 Capra films of the same name.
Nuke, I guess you didn't realise that the film is made by an American. It was just shown on the BBC, they didn't make it.
I was too late home to watch this last night, but I know something about it. One of the director Jarecki's initial references is a speech made by President Eisenhower, in which he warned of the creeping influence of what he termed the "Military Industrial Complex". You can read a transcript of the speech here (http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html).
Maybe watch the film and explore some of the references it makes for yourselves, naysayers.
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Thankyou Momus.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
You twist words don't you Mr Jackal1 or you obtusely faile to read the proper meaning to suit your own warped view of what I am saying.
Sorry comrad. :D
It`s in the doctrination of the Society Of The Evil American.
If by disagreeing with your commie views of The U.S. is "warped", then I`m gonna leave em out in the sun a little longer.
"I'm not anti American. I'm anti what is being done by Blair and Bush."
Here`s a thought. Why don`t ya see if you can find a BBS based in your country and slide your views passed them. At least you could pretend someone is interested.
Since you have absolutely no input in what takes place in the U.S. I would think you would spend a little more time worrying about your country.
(Don`t get me wrong. I totaly understand why you refuse to do this. )
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Well how do you know I don't already do that too?
I play AH2 hence I'm here. Sorry but thats how it is.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Well how do you know I don't already do that to?
"To" what?
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"find a BBS based in your country and slide your views passed them."
ok?
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So are you saying you do or you don`t?
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do
:aok
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OK. so how is your fight against the Evil U.S. empire going on your country`s boards?
Do most agree with you about the total evilness of the U.S. on your country`s boards?
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I'd say that opinion is divided. Nobody including me thinks the US is totaly evil. Its your govt that we generaly disgree with ( at risk here of repeating myself ad infintum ) I would say that a lot of people question whether the UK should have been involved in the War. Many people feel we were lied to by the Blair govt about WMD to get us in there.
On guns almost nobody would like to see an armed society.
One thing that is a concern is the immigration issue, but opinion is divided about the solution.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Just curious here. How many bulletin boards are there in other countries that are available to US folks? It would be interesting to go to those boards and see what the "locals" post for real.
Check my signature, we have a BBS... well... it's little silent, but I will be glad to have you there.
No need to learn italian, we can try to use the english like we poorly try here.
:)
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Originally posted by Skydancer
I'd say that opinion is divided. Nobody including me thinks the US is totaly evil. Its your govt that we generaly disgree with ( at risk here of repeating myself ad infintum ) I would say that a lot of people question whether the UK should have been involved in the War. Many people feel we were lied to by the Blair govt about WMD to get us in there.
On guns almost nobody would like to see an armed society.
One thing that is a concern is the immigration issue, but opinion is divided about the solution.
Okie doke.
Lied to or not..what about the Kuwaitis and Iraqis like I asked in the other thread? Your the man that wanted to help the less fortunate , so I`m curious to see how this plays out in your theory.
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Welllllll, we're not perfect. No government or nation of people can be perfect. So forgive us.
The difference between the U.S. and other western nations is this; When businessmen become involved in some shady dealings that harm the people who are their stockholders (Enron), or carry on illegal trade with foreign dictators, they are prosecuted when caught.
In other countries, they are elevated to important government posts and leading positions in the United Nations.
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Originally posted by JAGED
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70 and counting !
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Originally posted by Maverick
Just curious here. How many bulletin boards are there in other countries that are available to US folks? It would be interesting to go to those boards and see what the "locals" post for real.
You will need to learn French Italian ...
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wot, propaganda? I don't believe it!
No, I didn't see it. I don't get BBC4 or any other exotic premium channel. I'm a basic 1-5 guy. Tried SkyTV once - it wasn't worth the money.
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Beetle, does 1-5 mean you get only 5 sations?
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Yes. I only get 5 stations. Most people get a lot more because they have cable. Some have SkyTV, others have a FreeView box and get additional stations. But I'm not a great TV viewer. I prefer watching movies on DVD, so I buy and sell lots of those on eBay.
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I have SKY TV but I'm out enjoying myself most of the time so I watch very little TV.
Anyway, it seems that an American made this programme but the UK still get the blame...?!
Oh well, you guys should stop worrying about what other countries think of you. Who gives a toss, just get on with it, nothing will change peoples attitudes. Quite frankly I have no major problem with the US but with any country you get genuine nice folks and you get ignorant prettythangh0les. Chill out!
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scary stuff? sheesh... this from a guy who when the sun came out one time on his dreary little island.... he seen his shadow and hid for a week. And then wrote a letter to the queen asking to ban tall people in all black clothing.
Who cares what you think about Americans or American politics?
lazs
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Originally posted by Replicant
I have SKY TV but I'm out enjoying myself most of the time so I watch very little TV.
Anyway, it seems that an American made this programme but the UK still get the blame...?!
Oh well, you guys should stop worrying about what other countries think of you. Who gives a toss, just get on with it, nothing will change peoples attitudes. Quite frankly I have no major problem with the US but with any country you get genuine nice folks and you get ignorant prettythangh0les. Chill out!
Oh my Gosh, someone finally made sense in this thread!
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Welllllll, we're not perfect. No government or nation of people can be perfect. So forgive us.
The difference between the U.S. and other western nations is this; When businessmen become involved in some shady dealings that harm the people who are their stockholders (Enron), or carry on illegal trade with foreign dictators, they are prosecuted when caught.
In other countries, they are elevated to important government posts and leading positions in the United Nations.
BS.. Why would you EVEN us Enron as an example?? Ken Lay is behind bars?? Didn't think so..
Maybe you should have used a REALLY good example like martha stewart..
pfftt
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this is great... dude and skydancer in the same thread... they have so much in common... both socialists without a clue and both under false identities. Maybe they could get a few more identities to flesh out their back slapping?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
this is great... dude and skydancer in the same thread... they have so much in common... both socialists without a clue and both under false identities. Maybe they could get a few more identities to flesh out their back slapping?
lazs
how witty!! Now go buy another gun so you can put down that 'I'm gay' feeling you've always had since you were a little boy playing with your best friends boy toy.. 8)
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oh... I don't know... seems you and skydancer (cracks me up to even type his gay handle) are more likely to be of the secretive gay persauasion... you guys seem to be a lot more dishonest and evasive. If I were gay I would simply admit it.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
oh... I don't know... seems you and skydancer (cracks me up to even type his gay handle) are more likely to be of the secretive gay persauasion... you guys seem to be a lot more dishonest and evasive. If I were gay I would simply admit it.
lazs
ok, I'll take the bait.. How have I been dishonest?? Or is that simply something you 'need' to believe?? Does it help keep quiet all the gay impulses you must have?? Or are hte guns enough??
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well... there is the matter of your handle for instance..
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
well... there is the matter of your handle for instance..
lazs
But Lazs.. You know who I am.. So, I'm not being dishonest.. You still have not convinced me its something you simply 'need' to believe?? Is this going to be your coming out thread?
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I am not sure that I do know who you are. For sure the majority don't. You were intentionaly deceptive to hide who you formerly were.
and... sorry to dash your hopes but I probly won't turn gay anytime soon. It is allways possible but everything I know about the subject seems to point out that if I haven't so far then I probly won't.
I'll let you know tho if anything changes... sorry... best I can do.
lazs
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What is this wierd obsession with homosexuality? Lazs you and that Masher guy are very fond of resorting to the "your'e gay" stuff.
Honestly mate I wonder
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Originally posted by lazs2
I am not sure that I do know who you are. For sure the majority don't. You were intentionaly deceptive to hide who you formerly were.
and... sorry to dash your hopes but I probly won't turn gay anytime soon. It is allways possible but everything I know about the subject seems to point out that if I haven't so far then I probly won't.
I'll let you know tho if anything changes... sorry... best I can do.
lazs
Well, Im absolutly certain that I don't know who you are.. So you must be dishonest.. lol What an argument! Thats great lazs.. Any more chukkles you can offer me this morning?? Or should I just maintain that you're the clueless one??
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(http://homepage.eircom.net/~finnegam/war/images/peace_2.gif)
Modern Europe of course has a noble history of eschewing militarism and maintaining the peace at all costs.
Honestly, as an ex-pat Brit I sometimes wonder if Europeans will ever learn anything from their history of vain striving after "peace in our time." At present, the American military and the blessings of providence are the only things that stand between you and the tide of Islamic Jihad, and yet the only unified European reaction is to demonize their protectors and press for appeasing men who consider Europe to be the dar-el-harb (literally "lands of war or struggle), who consider them to be no better than apes and pigs, and who saw off the heads of their countrymen and then create a music video of the act to recruit more murderers. I believe Churchill described it as "Feeding the Crocodile in the hopes that he will eat you last."
Holland is only gradually waking up to the fact that they are in serious trouble now that their politicians are being threatened with death and filmmakers are being murdered for daring to expose the pathetic plight of women under this "religion of peace." Just 67 years after Munich and at least two hard lessons of you must confront rather than appease evil which even a quick skim of Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto would have taught them, we have yet another round of "don't provoke the evil and ruthless men bent on conquering the world and maybe they'll play nice." Well, lessee if that squares with a quick read of the Jihadist playbook:
"Our task in general is to stand against the flood of modernist
civilization overflowing from the swamp of materialistic and
sinful desires. This flood has swept the Muslim nation away
from the Prophet’s leadership and Koranic guidance and
deprived the world of its guiding light. Western secularism
moved into a Muslim world already estranged from its Koranic
roots, and delayed its advancement for centuries, and will
continue to do so until we drive it from our lands. Moreover,
we will not stop at this point, but will pursue this evil force to
its own lands, invade its Western heartland, and struggle to
overcome it until all the world shouts by the name of the
Prophet and the teachings of Islam spread throughout the
world. Only then will Muslims achieve their fundamental
goal, and there will be no more ‘persecution’ and all religion
will be exclusively for Allah….”
[Yakun, Fathi. To Be a Muslim. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: International Islamic Publishing House, 1996. Published in English]
I hope for the sake of my birthplace that America continues to act as the "arsenal of democracy," trust me I don't think you'll enjoy Dhimmitude any more than my Sudanese or Indonesian Christian brothers do.
I also hope that Americans will be gracious enough to weather the storm of vitriol they have to endure for seeing the big picture and doing the right thing...
- SEAGOON
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Seagoon is obviously a complete idiot.
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Idiot no , ignorant perhaps.
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Ooo look, its the arsenal of democracy, but are they doing the right thing?
(http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/03/01/images/Rumsfeld_Saddam.jpg)
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Schaden, Straffo, your proof of your statements is what?
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Mav, your proof that he isn't? :) lol
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I see ignorance, but it's not coming from Seagoon.
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Originally posted by Replicant
Mav, your proof that he isn't? :) lol
Replicant,
I didn't say the "observations" of any of the three in question were not correct. I did ask for clarification from the 2 who did nothing but post a personal attack instead of a cogent arguement.
I don't believe name calling is much of an arguement or discussion. Do you?
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The bizzarre thing was that I expected the "Rummy shakes hands with the bad guy" photo or comment to rise to the top. Also, you guys must be slowing down because I also expected the, "hey that document you quoted from was printed by our 'friends' in the government of Saudi Arabia" argument.
Did America do the right thing in supporting Iraq during the war against Iran? Well at that point we have to ask, did the UK do the right thing in supporting Russia in the war against Germany (despite the fact that Russia invaded Poland from the East a few days after Germany invaded from the West)?
In both cases the world consensus was that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" and that the greater threat must be dealt with first, therefore we supported Russia against Germany, but once the greater threat (Fascism) was eliminated the focus of the West was on containing and then eliminating Communism as well.
The late 70s and 80s were a dangerous time in the Middle East, the US supported Iraq in the war against Iran because of a perception that Iran (and particularly the Fundamentalist student movement) was a greater threat to Democracy at the time than Saddam's regime - which was not surprisingly also the decision of the majority of "old rule" governments in the region. I'd say that the US decision at the time (which was really meant to ensure that both nations totally exhausted each other without the actual balance of power changing) was politically expedient but not exactly morally perfect. You were once again in essence supporting Stalin against Hitler. Hardly the kind of choice one really wants to make (note well that at the time the EU also heavily supported Iraq via weapons sales, including materials for making chemical weapons.)
Now the USA has concluded that the stakes are simply to high for the west to try to play the balance of power game in the Middle East as it currently stands any longer. The ability of state-funded terrorists to inflict catastrophic losses in the west, and the continued rise of an increasingly militant Islamic underclass (Umma) bent on a pan-Islamic realization of the ideal of the Dar-El-Islam means the game is just too dangerous, and therefore the forcible removal of the old order and the installation of Western Style democracies is the only possible solution (other than appeasement or simply waiting to get "blowed up real good"). So far the process, which has to be long-term, is actually working in achieving US goals.
1) Libya has dumped its WMDs
2) Democracies have been installed in Iraq and Afghanistan and the example is emboldening the middle classes in other M.E. nations to seek the same reforms.
3) Jihadists are being fought on an "away game" basis, rather than having to fight them in our back yard
4) Syria may actually end up withdrawing from Lebanon, etc.
Unfortunately, in this process Europe appears to be saying, America is our enemy, and again repeating the mantra of the cold war: "You crazy militaristic yahoos are going to get us all killed! Just do what these people tell you to, and you'll be all right." And if one applies the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" rule Europeans are throwing their emotional support behind the very forces which are hell-bent on destroying them both from within and without.
Considering that I pastor many of the men, and their families, who are fighting against the Jihadists, I suppose I get rather irrationally upset when the Beeb runs documentaries that make them out to be the stormtroopers while the guys who fly jet liners into skyscrapers, blow up buses, trains, pizza parlours and funerals as an objective, and carve off heads on video, are considered to be the "freedom fighters."
But what does you expect from an ignorant idiot?
Anywho, sorry to be a bother, I won't whine on this thread no mo'.
Peace out,
SEAGOON
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Well, early in on the topic, many 'American' people were slating Europeans and the BBC - perhaps phobic about everyone non-American? It turns out that an American made the film.... so??? Personal attacks indeed and no I don't agree with them.
As for my response, it was sarcasm! :rolleyes:
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welcome to America seagoon. I have met other brits that live here that, along with you, give me hope for immigration from that dreary little island.
lazs
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Originally posted by Seagoon
I suppose I get rather irrationally upset when the Beeb runs documentaries that make them out to be the stormtroopers while the guys who fly jet liners into skyscrapers, blow up buses, trains, pizza parlours and funerals as an objective, and carve off heads on video, are considered to be the "freedom fighters."
But what does you expect from an ignorant idiot?
I guess we British get upset when American's called the IRA freedom fighters and allowed them to enter the US and collect money. Strange thing terrorists eh?!
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Thanks Laz,
If you guys will please just promise to keep working on the beer thing and learn to play the real version of football we'll certify the place for the immigration of the few remaining non-socialists. Oh, and for heavens sake turn on the lights in the bars and get rid of the TV so people can actually have a conversation.
PS: Tea is supposed to be hot, with milk and sugar, pass it on.
:D
- Seagoon
PS: Thanks for letting me stay.
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Originally posted by Replicant
Well, early in on the topic, many 'American' people were slating Europeans and the BBC - perhaps phobic about everyone non-American? It turns out that an American made the film.... so??? Personal attacks indeed and no I don't agree with them.
As for my response, it was sarcasm! :rolleyes:
I knew it was made by an American before I posted because I read the whole link. It was a BBC show and I commented on the bias of the BBC.
How's that?
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seagoon... I don't drink so you can lobby for any kind of beer or barroom ambiance you like.... sports bore me to tears so you can even do that cricket paddle thing if you like....
But tea? horrible stuff... only good if ice cold and with sugar and lemon in it. Coffee is the thing.
lazs
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BBC make good stuff and crap stuff. Doesn't mean that all British/European's condone it. The point I'm trying to get across is that there are so many American's trying to tar us all with the same brush. Afterall many people are posting here how hated 'American's' feel yet they happily apply the thing they most dislike to other countries. Now that's what ignorance is about! People, whatever nationality, will continue to make/write things to get a reaction. I see newspaper articles about topics which I know are completely false/or at least mostly incorrect. What happens? People talk about it, it sells papers, it furthers discussions. That's proved here.
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WOW TIHS IS SO DEAP TINPOT HAS OPEND MY EYES!!!!
DETH TO AMREEKA!!!!
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but are you ..... skeeeered.....funky?
lazs
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IM SKEERT YEP
B00SH = HITLAR!!!!
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Originally posted by Chortle
Ooo look, its the arsenal of democracy, but are they doing the right thing?
(http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/03/01/images/Rumsfeld_Saddam.jpg)
OMG AN OFFICAL OF TEH USA MET WITH SADAM!!!!
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Originally posted by lazs2
But tea? horrible stuff... only good if ice cold and with sugar and lemon in it. Coffee is the thing.
lazs
Phillistine! That's worse than advocating for gun control! Where are my bags? "Hun' grab the kids there's no civilization here either..."
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Oops, I promised not to whine anymore. Ok, I suppose you can have yer "swee'tee" as long as people stop confusing me by offering it to me when I'm tired as "Tea."
Well anyway, I guess we agree on the coffee thing, but for me at this point after developing the caffeine addiction in seminary (you are always 1,000 pages behind) its more of a need than a simple pleasure like tea. "Hi my name is Seagoon and I'm a coffeeholic."
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well... Iwill be careful if you ever visit (you are welcome in my home anytime).. I will try to find someone who can brew the foul stuff for you and yours.... oh wait... my girlfriend knows how..
Ok, come on over... we can go shooting and driving hot rods and laugh at the socialists.
lazs
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Lazs makes good coffee though.
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Originally posted by Replicant
I guess we British get upset when American's called the IRA freedom fighters and allowed them to enter the US and collect money. Strange thing terrorists eh?!
So did I Replicant, particularly after Enniskillin. I actually got into a brawl with a US student from Boston over that particular incident [sorry, I was a bad kid]. But then again, the vast majority of Yanks I've met, not from the Peoples Republic of Massachussetts or the five boroughs with a last name beginning with either "Mc" or "O' " recognize that whether you call the organizaion ETA, IRA, FARC, etc. a terrorist by any other name still smells just as malign. I'm glad that these days even the people of Northern Ireland are beginning to see the Provos for what they really are, maybe that'll even spread to Boston some day.
- SEAGOON
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you shall not leave access to your computer to your drunk brother.
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Damn, I missed it.
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Originally posted by Seagoon
So did I Replicant, particularly after Enniskillin. I actually got into a brawl with a US student from Boston over that particular incident [sorry, I was a bad kid]. But then again, the vast majority of Yanks I've met, not from the Peoples Republic of Massachussetts or the five boroughs with a last name beginning with either "Mc" or "O' " recognize that whether you call the organizaion ETA, IRA, FARC, etc. a terrorist by any other name still smells just as malign. I'm glad that these days even the people of Northern Ireland are beginning to see the Provos for what they really are, maybe that'll even spread to Boston some day.
- SEAGOON
Thanks !
This has been pointed out to our friends before. A few people from Boston and Newyork are not American policy.
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Originally posted by Pei
Oh my Gosh, someone finally made sense in this thread!
Does that justify the glee of the people who choose to believe the BS it contains?
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Damn, I missed it.
I can resume :
Kill priests , all priests are scumbag , jew muslim or christian they are **** or *** or ****
For time to time it's not funny to have an anarchist in the familly :D
But when is sober he is a good guy :)
(except with the priests :p)
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Originally posted by lazs2
this is great... dude and skydancer in the same thread... they have so much in common... both socialists without a clue and both under false identities. Maybe they could get a few more identities to flesh out their back slapping?
lazs
Heh! Zulu would probably have to resort to a phone book for an ID. He`s used up all the ones he could think up own his own. :D
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Still waiting for an answer to my question Schaden and Straffo.
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I'm thinking that we have all been had by a mastermind inhabiting several BBS identities. It is possible this extremely intellegent but troubled man has been posting on this board under several supposedly european aliases (aliaii?) and changes account names when the counter rhetoric gets too hot?
Would you like to play a nice game of chess?.... Bobby?
Chess legend Bobby Fischer began his new life as a resident of Iceland with anti-Jewish slurs and by lambasting his country of origin, the United States, and its allies including Australia.
"The Jew-controlled United States is evil. They talk about the axis of evil. What about the allies of evil? What about the US, England, Japan, Australia and so on? These are the evil doers," said Fischer
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Originally posted by Maverick
Still waiting for an answer to my question Schaden and Straffo.
I'm pretty sure somewhere in this BBS some one is waiting you to answer.
I'll answer when I want and never when you want.
Capice ?
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Originally posted by Seagoon
I hope for the sake of my birthplace that America continues to act as the "arsenal of democracy," trust me I don't think you'll enjoy Dhimmitude any more than my Sudanese or Indonesian Christian brothers do.
I also hope that Americans will be gracious enough to weather the storm of vitriol they have to endure for seeing the big picture and doing the right thing...
- SEAGOON
The US myth that democratia come with a bayonette will never stop surprising me ...
It's very nice of Seagoon to be concerned by his christian brother but as a christian he is supose to be concerned by all his brothers not only those who have embrassed the same cult.
Plus the "storm of vitriol" some American endure make me smile.
I and my contrymate had to endure on this place a "storm of *****" coming be the same American because my country and I had a different opinion concerning Iraq.
All of this make me think he is an ignorant
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Originally posted by Seagoon
The bizzarre thing was that I expected the "Rummy shakes hands with the bad guy" photo or comment to rise to the top. Also, you guys must be slowing down because I also expected the, "hey that document you quoted from was printed by our 'friends' in the government of Saudi Arabia" argument.
I've seen thousand time the picture of Chirac with Saddam posted by some of your fellow American,don't try to use irony there is no real effect.
Did America do the right thing in supporting Iraq during the war against Iran? Well at that point we have to ask, did the UK do the right thing in supporting Russia in the war against Germany (despite the fact that Russia invaded Poland from the East a few days after Germany invaded from the West)?
Apple vs Orange now ?
Sorry I prefer banana.
In both cases the world consensus was that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" and that the greater threat must be dealt with first, therefore we supported Russia against Germany, but once the greater threat (Fascism) was eliminated the focus of the West was on containing and then eliminating Communism as well.
World concensus ?
It' a bit emphatic no ?
The late 70s and 80s were a dangerous time in the Middle East, the US supported Iraq in the war against Iran because of a perception that Iran (and particularly the Fundamentalist student movement) was a greater threat to Democracy at the time than Saddam's regime - which was not surprisingly also the decision of the majority of "old rule" governments in the region.
You will need to define democracy in this context,I can't follow your reasonning because there was not a single democracy in middle east at this time... nor today btw :)
I'd say that the US decision at the time (which was really meant to ensure that both nations totally exhausted each other without the actual balance of power changing) was politically expedient but not exactly morally perfect.
Agree.
You were once again in essence supporting Stalin against Hitler. Hardly the kind of choice one really wants to make (note well that at the time the EU also heavily supported Iraq via weapons sales, including materials for making chemical weapons.)
Lie it was not EU.
note : I don't write France was not involved
Now the USA has concluded that the stakes are simply to high for the west to try to play the balance of power game in the Middle East as it currently stands any longer. The ability of state-funded terrorists to inflict catastrophic losses in the west, and the continued rise of an increasingly militant Islamic underclass (Umma) bent on a pan-Islamic realization of the ideal of the Dar-El-Islam means the game is just too dangerous, and therefore the forcible removal of the old order and the installation of Western Style democracies is the only possible solution (other than appeasement or simply waiting to get "blowed up real good"). So far the process, which has to be long-term, is actually working in achieving US goals.
Why do you look only at this Islam ?
There is also Islam in Africa/North Africa and theior behaviour is completly different.
1) Libya has dumped its WMDs
2) Democracies have been installed in Iraq and Afghanistan and the example is emboldening the middle classes in other M.E. nations to seek the same reforms.
3) Jihadists are being fought on an "away game" basis, rather than having to fight them in our back yard
4) Syria may actually end up withdrawing from Lebanon, etc.
1) no comment ,I didn't knew they had WMD.
2) installed is perhaps a bit to strong ,I would have used "to sow"
But well ... after translation it's difficult to have the right term.
3) wrong, there is 2 fights currently :
* one is away like you say
* one is still undercover and started Years before the "away fight"
Unfortunately, in this process Europe appears to be saying, America is our enemy, and again repeating the mantra of the cold war: "You crazy militaristic yahoos are going to get us all killed! Just do what these people tell you to, and you'll be all right." And if one applies the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" rule Europeans are throwing their emotional support behind the very forces which are hell-bent on destroying them both from within and without.
/rant.
Considering that I pastor many of the men, and their families, who are fighting against the Jihadists, I suppose I get rather irrationally upset when the Beeb runs documentaries that make them out to be the stormtroopers while the guys who fly jet liners into skyscrapers, blow up buses, trains, pizza parlours and funerals as an objective, and carve off heads on video, are considered to be the "freedom fighters."
what is irrational is your comment about something you don't have seen.
But what does you expect from an ignorant idiot?
Anywho, sorry to be a bother, I won't whine on this thread no mo'.
Peace out,
SEAGOON
The real bother is the lenght of your post.
I'm pretty sure I'll have to cut it to be able to post.
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Originally posted by Krusher
Does that justify the glee of the people who choose to believe the BS it contains?
Are you refering to the Eurostalkers or the Amerihaters?