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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: Rattkiller on March 23, 2005, 06:11:27 PM
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Hello fellow flight junky's can someone please help me out here
I'll start by telling what kind of system I have. I'm running the following:
1. ASUS A8V Deluxe motherboard with an AMD 939 pin 3500+ 64bit CPU
2. ATI 9800 pro graphic card 128 meg
3. 2 gig ram
4. OS is Windows 2000 pro with service pack 4
5. Using the Asus onboard Gameport and Sound card
6. Using CH Products F-16 Combatstick, Pro Throttle, and CH Pedals these controls are all running to a gameport not a USB
Here's the problem. When I run AH I only get half of the control from my joystick and rudder pedals. The pitch on the stick only works to the negitive (down) and the pedals will only yaw to the left. I have run the setup in windows and from the calibration charts everything seems to function correctly, but not in AH. All drivers are current that I know of, downloaded those just a few days ago. Nothing is working and I don't have that much hair left to pull out. CHProducts recommends that the hook up for their controls is:
Gameport
I don't have any other sim that I can check with and I've done baffeled the guru's at HTC.
Have not been able to fly online since before Nov. 4, 2004 (We had a house fire and just got everything put back together)
Can someone lend a hand?
respectfully
Rattkiller Iron Eagles Squad
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I am assuming you have also calibrated the stick ingame, as well as checking the calibration in Windows?
Have you checked to make sure that you have the x and y axes mapped to the stick?
I also assume you downloaded the analog drivers from CH?
Download CH's driver cleaner, uninstall your drivers and run the cleaner. Reboot. Reinstall the drivers. Reboot. Calibrate. Try to setup ingame, and check to make sure each device is mapped to the axis or axes it is supposed to control.
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That didn't work arrrrrrrrrggggggggg
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Which part doesnt work? How far can you get in setting up your stick in AH? When you look at what is set for each axis, did you click on the x axis and check to see what controller is mapped, and then click on y to see what controller is mapped? Does it say "CH F-16 Fighterstick"?
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After I Calibrate the stick in AH the only control I have is left yaw by the peddles and negitive pitch from the joy stick the throttle seems to function ok.
X Axis moves from 65674 to 0
Y axis moves from 65535 to 0
Z Axis moves from 65535 to 0
Z Rotation moves from 65535 to 0
There also is some intermediate flutter in all the controls jerky movement not very smooth
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Sorry, its been so long since I had to set mine up, I had to fire the game up to make sure what I'm saying is right.
Click on setup -> controls -> joystick -> select joystick.
On the left side is a window called "AH control". It has roll, pitch, throttle, rudder, etc. The middle window is joysticks. More correctly, its "controllers". Your mouse should be listed here. Your joystick. Your pedals probably arent, but the throttle should be (I think). I havent used a Pro Throttle, so I'm not sure. But if we can get everything else working, that can be worked out with someone who DOES know. click on Roll. in the middle window, select your joystick, and on the right select X axis. Click the "set input" button. Now do the same for pitch, except select the Y axis on the right. For rudders, select your stick again and select the Z axis. You have to hit the "Set Input" button each time you do a new axis. Throttle on mine is the Z rotation. It should be on yours also, but again I'm not sure with the Pro Throttle. Hat switch is obvious enough.
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Flutter is to be expected with an analog controller. Mine are 8 years old after all, and while there's a little flutter they work fine in the game. Just use the damping controls until the stick is stable ingame.
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Well just want to say thanks for your help but there is still no joy in mudville tonight. Nothing seems to correct this problem. Again thanks for taking the time to assist me with this.
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Dont know, this might have something to do with it. More knowledgable people than me :)
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=146344
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Dont know, this might have something to do with it. More knowledgable people than me :)
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=146344
or more specifically from that thread...
http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=324
with much thanks to ack-ack
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Everything that I have hooked to the computer for controllers is analog through a gameport none are USB my OS is Windows 2000 pro with service pack 4. The game port is an onboard gameport on the Motherboard which is an ASUS A8V Deluxe the CPU is a AMD Atholon 64bit 3500+ processor and the system has 2 gig of ram.
When I set the system up I enabled the gameport on the motherboard at 200/330 for addressing. The Game controllers are (F-16 Combatstick, CH Pro Throttle, and CH Peddles all are gameport not USB). I have Setup the gameport driver through windows and have setup and calibrated all the controlers in windows using CH Products driver for their respective device. They are all seen and they work in the windows side I will still have to program the throttle at some point.
The trouble is when I go into AH and try to fly AH only see's one side of pitch and that is negitive (down). Left and right roll seem to work, but the peddles will only allow left yaw.
The motherboard that I had previous to this one was a Abit 64bit board and a AMD 3200 processor and 1 gig ram OS was the same as now the only difference was I used a SB soundcard w/gameport the controllers all worked just fine and I was able to be shotdown with gusto in AH. I have called the BOY's at HTC and spent 45min on the phone with them (THEY IS BAFFLED) I need a SUPERGEEK to help figure this one out. I don't really want to have to step up to new controllers if I dont have to :(
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Do you think it would help if you got someone else's set up file? I also have CH setup and you're welcome to mine.
email me at schadenah@hotmail.com
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You went through HTC's tech support already, did you go through CH's tech support? CH has very good tech support for their products. If you have already tried them, and AckAck's link doesnt help you, I'm afraid I dont know but one thing to suggest.
Get rid of the Throttle.
It might have a problem. I know its probably not a solution you want to think about, but you can get used to flying without it, and if it solves your problem so you can fly again, then it'd be worth it to me. At least until someone offers you a better alternative anyway.
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rattkiller, are you running Control Manager? If not try it. Create a CM profile combining all devices into one vertual device. 32 buttons, 6 axis. Test it in CM to make sure all the axis are working properly. X & Y and rudders (Z?) shoult be set to centered. If they are not you will have these types of issues.
(not to hijack the thread, but)
For the CH jockies out there if you are interested I have written some cool scripts for these devices.
1. Sticky hat: Sticks a hat switch so you can take you finger off it. i.e. Select left view and be able to take you thumb off the hat switch and the view stays looking left. You click another button to snap the view back front.
2. Turn that all but useless microstick on the CH pro Throttle into your view controller. Do a 360 view with a swoosh of your left thumb.
If anyone is interested I will post them in a seperate thread.
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
2. Turn that all but useless microstick on the CH pro Throttle into your view controller. Do a 360 view with a swoosh of your left thumb.
Did that without a script by assigning microstick axises as u and v. Assigned them to pan functions in AH stick mapping.
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
rattkiller, are you running Control Manager? If not try it.
I don't think the CH manager will work with the Analog CH stuff, I believe its only for the USB stuff. Unfortunately CH doesn't support the analog stuff any more. I had a broken wire in the DIM plug and it took two weeks for them to reply with that information... great help there! Took me two days of trial and error to re wire my plugs!
Ratkiller, I would try each piece one at a time. Go with just the stick first and see if it works, then add one piece at a time. If you have the trouble with the stick right away, use a different stick to test everything else with. Even a cheapy two button would work for testing.
You may have a broken wire inside the stick and pedals. Odd for both to go at once, but S**T happens right? Seeing they are old analogs, I'm sure they are out of warrenty, so rip them apart and take a peek. If your not comfertable with pulling stuff apart, look for a buddy who might be.
I find most problems can be traced to hardware long before ya have to think about software. I'd check the easy stuff first. I can tell when I a wire is broke, I CAN'T tell when a program s broke :)Good luck
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I'm not running the CH Manager and you would think that if all controllers work in the windows game options test and calibration that a wire wouldn't be broken. Anyway to update where I stand The problem is not in the on board gameport for sure. I bellied up to a new soundcard (SB Audigy2.ZS) and the problem is still there. I'm thinking that the last AH update changed something that has effected the analog controllers. What was the date of their last rev?
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2 months ago?
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I use all analog CH stuff, fighter stick, throttle, and non-pro pedals. My stuff all works fine on this and all other updates from HTC. I've run mine both thru the sound board game port, and also thru a USB plug using an adapter. I'm running thru the USB adapter right now, and only keep it that way because I don't want to climb under my simpit ( see pictures) (http://www.airmafia.netprism.net/mafia/mafia/md_simpit/index.htm)to switch it back to the game port. I see no differance between either set-up.
I had forgotten that you had said you did get it to work in windows. I'd still try one piece at a time just to make sure one unit wasn't spiking or causeing any other trouble.
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I run the analog CH F-16 Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle and a 12 year old set of TM rudder pedals.
The one thing I do that appears different from you is I set my stick as a 3 axis, 2 button joystick and not a CH product. I have found the CH "sticks" appear to be hardwired for the axis' and two buttons. I program the rest using speed keys. Then download the whole thing to the stick/throttle. At this point you wanna calibrate the stick in windoz. Then goto AH and take the usual path to the joystick as follows:
esc/setup/controls/select joystick and make sure you see the same '3 axis, 2 button" stick in the center window. Do a stick calibration and try it.
Hope this helps.
MDJoe....Nice simpit BTW :)
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Thanks Ren.
I didn't mention that, I have mine set as a 2 axis, 4 button with rudders in windows too. I have all my buttons programed thru the stick, and change AH buttons to match what I want on the stick seeing as the programing program for the throttl only runs in dos and XP don't do dos very well :)
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Just tried your suggestion and nope didn't work setup in the windows game options was fine after I went into AH and did a setup there it still only sees what I noted before. and if it is seeing all fuctions in windows it can't be a hardware issue or broken wire:(
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Tell ya what...as I said I have the same analog setup as you do. Now I gotta get some sleep since I've just walked in the door from working mids.
If you can wait til around 6pm CT this afternoon lets meet in the TA and we can go thru everything, step by step, that you've done to your stick and maybe we can fix the problem.
Lemme know if you wanna try that as Ill check my mail when I wake up.
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Sounds good Thats the training area in AH right?
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yes, and I appologize for not doing now but im going through my morning wind down ritual and my eyes are already half closed......
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Originally posted by Murdr
Did that without a script by assigning microstick axises as u and v. Assigned them to pan functions in AH stick mapping.
I tried that, Couldn't get it to work. Can you get all 16 views? I do that with the pinky switch as a shift key.
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Originally posted by MaddogJoe
I'm running thru the USB adapter right now, and only keep it that way because I don't want to climb under my simpit ( see pictures) (http://www.airmafia.netprism.net/mafia/mafia/md_simpit/index.htm)to switch it back to the game port.
I don't ever want to hear my wife talking about how I'm obsessed with this game. If she does I'm just going to show her these pictures.
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Ren;
Thanks for the help you is a popular guy.
The 3 axis set is not the answer though we did make sure that my CH stuff works. Again thanks for your help
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Originally posted by Rattkiller
Ren;
Thanks for the help you is a popular guy.
The 3 axis set is not the answer though we did make sure that my CH stuff works. Again thanks for your help
My bad. I applogize. It seems I can't get into the TA without being blasted by 5 questions a second. We did ok for a while there. And Blooz helped some of the other folks with answers and help until Fuzeman showed up. I also had forgotten that I had a training session setup with mekyjr at 7pm CT. Time flew and he showed up and I ended up doing 4 different things at a time to appease the masses. I was tryng to help you with your problems, show mekyjr his view setup with the help of PCacer and get retread up and running as a first time flyer all at the same time. Plus, I ended up giving Yucca a moving target as he was trying to figure out why he was missing on close in shots. It gets very busy for me, really quickly in the TA but I try to get everyones questions answered as time permits.
Back to your stick. I was thinking about it and while we are using the same equipment there are a couple of subtle differences. One is Im using win98se and you are using 2000 pro with some service packs. If I remember correctly 2000 was never really built for gaming but I think MS made a half hearted attempt to create that ability with the service packs. I'm not too sure that it was as successful as everyone hoped but you mentioned it worked ok for you. That said, we checked your stick worked fine in in the windoz test panel but the pitch function was basically inop in AH. We confirmed you turned off the on board sound and gameport on the MB in favor of the PCI plug n sound card. We also got rudders working etc. However, I think we've exhausted all the normal fixes. I'd also suggest you pull the plug n the sound casr and try the on-board stuff and see what happens. I also forgot to ask if you had the latest updates for the sound card?
Where does that leave you considering that is your operating system? My suggestion is you save yer cockpit files and dump the whole program. Go and download the complete game again and re install it. One thing I've found while working over in the TA is sometimes the upgrade on install doesn't take and a few bytes head south when they should be part of the installation. I'd re-install the complete game and not updates and see if that fixes it. If you'd like to continue checking off "things to fix" we can do that also.
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noticed you was getting the following:
After I Calibrate the stick in AH the only control I have is left yaw by the peddles and negitive pitch from the joy stick the throttle seems to function ok.
I had some similar problems. I use CH fighterstick/pedals (used use throttle its porked)
take the 4 screws off the bottom of the joystick, and with a smaill pair of pliers or even a pair of finger nail clippers, crimp down slightly on each wire connection to each pot.
After using these stick these wire connectors will become loose. to where when calibrating/moving the stick from side to side it picks up one way but intermittently gives you input the other direction.
It made my stick act almost like brand new again after I got a good crimp on the wire connectors.
Also make sure you don't have invert axis checked and that your pedals are set for plane and not car on the selector.
I have always setup using 3 axis / 4 button as suggested long ago in that other sim.
I was able to get mine to recently work in WinXP, so I am sure you and Ren can get it figured out soon Ratt Killer
Good Luck! :)